Re: WOW A MUST READ -Madeleine clues hidden for five years - Sunday Times Full article now on Page 1

by **tigger** 27.10.13 7:31

It must be the Oakley team who gave the ST their information.

Those e-fits were too good for BK to have commissioned them. I do think he had the cartoons in the PowerPoint presentation of end 2007 done though.

by **PeterMac** 27.10.13 7:34

Smokeandmirrors wrote:
This once again brings up the issue of the Fund being fraudulent. Appealing for money to help the search when the public were incontrovertibly being misled is a very serious crime.
The McCanns could theoretically be done for fraud, perverting the course of justice, defamation, wasting police time (SY had to get written permission for this latest bit of info, wasn't freely forthcoming), and probably some other crimes too.
I hope they get the book thrown at them, and a heavy one at that.

And of course the Fraud is committed on English soil, and thus under the jurisdiction of English Police.
Perhaps we begin to understand why McVey bailed out. Would be interesting to see if the timing corresponds.

And some interesting questions for Mitchell at the hustings ?

by Mirage 27.10.13 7:37

They said there was a storm coming in but I didn't expect this.

Off to get my souvenir copy and read this over a cup of coffee.

They say ex MI5. But I've always remembered they were picked up in an MI5 car at East Midlands on their homecoming. Wow!

by Searcher 27.10.13 7:37

I find it interesting that the Oakley report includes mention of Madeleine's sleeping patterns as 'sensitive'. I think a hearty breakfast is indicated this morning. Well done Times, well done. yes

by TellTheTruth 27.10.13 7:38

Wow! what a great start to Sunday

Next time they sit for one of their cozy little chat's on the sofa I want someone to ask Mrs. McCann why she didn't include these E-fits in her book.

No wonder they looked so wrecked on Crimewatch, I bet they had hoped they would never see those E-fits ever again!

Come on K, it's just one little question. Surely you've got the stamina for 1 question?

What's the matter Kate, Cuddle Cat got your tongue?

by Smokeandmirrors 27.10.13 7:39

tigger wrote:It must be the Oakley team who gave the ST their information.

Those e-fits were too good for BK to have commissioned them. I do think he had the cartoons in the PowerPoint presentation of end 2007 done though.

And it's very interesting that Scotland Yard had to WRITE to the fund to get permission to have that info. It will NOT have gone down well that this info was not handed to the police even before a review was underway, in fact this is the most damning thing against the McCanns so far, that they actually had lawyers THREATEN the PI's. Regardless of what Halligen et al were subsequently charged with, the act of LEGALLY SUPRESSING what could be evidence in a £5,000,000 exercise is the most damning thing ever.

This will really get people wondering what the "hypercritical" assessment was all about, and I don't think Lorraine will be bouncing on her sofa with them anytime soon….

I'm gobsmacked.

by Mirage 27.10.13 7:42

PeterMac wrote:
Smokeandmirrors wrote:
This once again brings up the issue of the Fund being fraudulent. Appealing for money to help the search when the public were incontrovertibly being misled is a very serious crime.
The McCanns could theoretically be done for fraud, perverting the course of justice, defamation, wasting police time (SY had to get written permission for this latest bit of info, wasn't freely forthcoming), and probably some other crimes too.
I hope they get the book thrown at them, and a heavy one at that.
And of course the Fraud is committed on English soil, and thus under the jurisdiction of English Police.
Perhaps we begin to understand why McVey bailed out. Would be interesting to see if the timing corresponds.

And some interesting questions for Mitchell at the hustings ?

I agree. I said the other day that the investigation may be split for diplomatic and logistical reasons - SY on the fraud and Portugal continuing the main investigation. I always hoped it might be a pincer movement.

by TellTheTruth 27.10.13 7:44

I hope this news gets to Amaral soon.. Mrs

by Smokeandmirrors 27.10.13 7:45

PeterMac wrote:
Smokeandmirrors wrote:
This once again brings up the issue of the Fund being fraudulent. Appealing for money to help the search when the public were incontrovertibly being misled is a very serious crime.
The McCanns could theoretically be done for fraud, perverting the course of justice, defamation, wasting police time (SY had to get written permission for this latest bit of info, wasn't freely forthcoming), and probably some other crimes too.
I hope they get the book thrown at them, and a heavy one at that.
And of course the Fraud is committed on English soil, and thus under the jurisdiction of English Police.
Perhaps we begin to understand why McVey bailed out. Would be interesting to see if the timing corresponds.

And some interesting questions for Mitchell at the hustings ?

Indeed. This is shocking stuff, threatening PI's not to release info that is critical of the Mc's. Blows out of the water their lies about doing anything to find Madeleine. In fact, they have been the most obstructive pair of con artists imaginable.

Peter, from a Det. Supt. point of view, what do you think SY would have made of having to write to the fund to get data that had been deliberately suppressed under threat of legal action by a pair claiming to be doing everything possible to help find their child?

I imagine there are some very interesting conversations going on behind closed doors today!

by Searcher 27.10.13 7:48

"It's all very well; but there we were hiring a crack team at vast expense - paying their wages we were for months on end. How do they repay our generosity? They've only gone and listed all the discrepancies and inconsistencies in our statements, and our friends', and they've made me the suspect. Can't anyone be trusted to do what they are damn well asked to do and get it right? No wonder we threatened to Ruck them. The whole world's gone crazy." never mind

by Guest 27.10.13 7:48

What a jaw dropping read, they didn't want Madeleine found or more to the point they knew she couldn't be found. Bet they had a sleepless night spin

in their bed last night!

One of HiDeHo's excellent video's

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Has Rupert withdrawn his support, will other newspapers pick up on the Sunday Times bombshell?

by **PeterMac** 27.10.13 7:54

TellTheTruth wrote:I hope this news gets to Amaral soon..

It is on its way !

by SixMillionQuid 27.10.13 7:56

A quick observation if it hasn't been made already - this is evidence that the parents, with help from their solicitors, were impeding their own search, as they would describe it. This must end the libel trial right now.

* EDIT * good work petermac!!

by SixMillionQuid 27.10.13 7:57

And another one - the parents must be prime suspects now.

by gbwales 27.10.13 7:59

SixMillionQuid wrote:A quick observation if it hasn't been made already - this is evidence that the parents, with help from their solicitors, were impeding their own search, as they would describe it. This must end the libel trial right now.

* EDIT * good work petermac!!

I'd rather it didn't end until they'd actually got their wish and been in the witness box. Even more so now....
Could be some choice questions for them don't you think winkwink

by kitchen 27.10.13 8:00

Searcher wrote:"It's all very well; but there we were hiring a crack team at vast expense - paying their wages we were for months on end. How do they repay our generosity? They've only gone and listed all the discrepancies and inconsistencies in our statements, and our friends', and they've made me the suspect. Can't anyone be trusted to do what they are damn well asked to do and get it right? No wonder we threatened to Ruck them. The whole world's gone crazy."

Credit must go to these guys not afraid to bite the hand that was feeding them..... And consider how did SY know there was a report that had been suppressed?

by petunia 27.10.13 8:04

My thought after reading this was,Fo@@ing ek.

by Liz Eagles 27.10.13 8:09

Doesn't the Rebekah Brooks trial begin tomorrow? Can someone confirm?

by **PeterMac** 27.10.13 8:10

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Portuguese police held their own Madeleine McCann reconstruction

A RECONSTRUCTION by Portuguese detectives of key events on the day Madeleine McCann went missing has helped persuade the country's legal officials to re-open the case, we reveal today.
By: James MurrayPublished: Sun, October 27, 2013
The reconstruction helped persuade legal officials to re-open the investigation [PA]
The detectives, who have been reviewing the case files for two years, went to Praia da Luz on the Algarve a month ago to pursue secret inquiries.
They spent hours walking around the Ocean Club working out where certain people were seen at particular times and at Apartment 5a, from where threeyear-old Madeleine went missing on May 3, 2007.
The exercise was the culmination of months of work by four Portuguese detectives based in Porto in the north of the country, who are directly working for the highly respected senior officer Helen Monteiro, an expert on abduction cases.
It is thought her elite team of dedicated officers has recently been concentrating on statements from witnesses who say they saw unknown people acting suspiciously in the resort around the time the child was missed. The work in Luz came before Scotland Yard released photofits of potential suspects on the BBC's Crimewatch show this month.

Often there are almost perfect crimes and not all of them are discovered all over the world
Ms Monteiro has insisted all her officers work in absolute secrecy to prevent leaks of their inquiries. It was decided officers in Porto should conduct the review as none had any direct involvement in the first Madeleine McCann investigation and would therefore approach the case with fresh eyes and open minds.
In Portugal, Ms Monteiro is seen as the driving force finally to get the Madeleine case files re-opened after five years, rather than through the efforts of Scotland Yard. She and her team are working separately from the Yard, although there is close liaison between the two.
Yesterday Portuguese Justice Minister Paula Teixeira da Cruz said the decision to reopen the case, taken last week, was due to the work of the Policia Judiciaria and not because of pressure from Scotland Yard. She said: "The PJ developed diligences that allowed for this process to be reopened. Often there are almost perfect crimes and not all of them are discovered all over the world. If the PJ requested the reopening, it has good motives to do so."

Portuguese law officials and senior officers in the PJ have been acutely aware of criticism of the initial police investigation and insist they are determined to solve the case.
Ms Teixeira da Cruz urged people to be "proud" of the work being done by the PJ, which she insisted had not been idle in seeking to solve the mystery.
For a time Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, were seen as arguidos or suspects but that status was lifted. Now they are being kept fully informed of all developments and were given a personal briefing of the work of the PJ in Lisbon last week.
The McCann's Portuguese lawyer, Rogerio Alves, is reportedly seeking for his clients to be "assistants" in the case. This would allow their lawyer to work closely with state prosecutors.

by SixMillionQuid 27.10.13 8:11

gbwales wrote:
SixMillionQuid wrote:A quick observation if it hasn't been made already - this is evidence that the parents, with help from their solicitors, were impeding their own search, as they would describe it. This must end the libel trial right now.

* EDIT * good work petermac!!
I'd rather it didn't end until they'd actually got their wish and been in the witness box. Even more so now....
Could be some choice questions for them don't you think

I would hope but after this I suspect the pair will be suddenly struck down with the flu.

by kitchen 27.10.13 8:12

aquila wrote:Doesn't the Rebekah Brooks trial begin tomorrow? Can someone confirm?

Yes it does.

by soundworks 27.10.13 8:12

Just WOW

Justice for Madeleine

by plebgate 27.10.13 8:14

gbwales wrote:
SixMillionQuid wrote:A quick observation if it hasn't been made already - this is evidence that the parents, with help from their solicitors, were impeding their own search, as they would describe it. This must end the libel trial right now.

* EDIT * good work petermac!!
I'd rather it didn't end until they'd actually got their wish and been in the witness box. Even more so now....
Could be some choice questions for them don't you think

Me too gbwales.

Mr. Rocky Amaral was always going to win, why did they offer to settle out of court?

Mr. Lee Rainbow, Senior Detective in British Police Force noted the inconsistencies in Mr's. statement. Surely no "cold case" investigating team would disregard what he had to say?

by Searcher 27.10.13 8:16

kitchen wrote:
Searcher wrote:"It's all very well; but there we were hiring a crack team at vast expense - paying their wages we were for months on end. How do they repay our generosity? They've only gone and listed all the discrepancies and inconsistencies in our statements, and our friends', and they've made me the suspect. Can't anyone be trusted to do what they are damn well asked to do and get it right? No wonder we threatened to Ruck them. The whole world's gone crazy."
Credit must go to these guys not afraid to bite the hand that was feeding them..... And consider how did SY know there was a report that had been suppressed?

Absolutely, Kitchen. 'You can silence some of the people some of the time .. but not all of the people all of the time ..' to adapt a saying. I am thankful.

by plebgate 27.10.13 8:19

SixMillionQuid wrote:
gbwales wrote:
SixMillionQuid wrote:A quick observation if it hasn't been made already - this is evidence that the parents, with help from their solicitors, were impeding their own search, as they would describe it. This must end the libel trial right now.

* EDIT * good work petermac!!
I'd rather it didn't end until they'd actually got their wish and been in the witness box. Even more so now....
Could be some choice questions for them don't you think
I would hope but after this I suspect the pair will be suddenly struck down with the flu.

They would have to produce a medical report if this were the case and we haven't seen any yet despite their anxiety, indefinable fear blah blah. ha ha.

by Beanie 27.10.13 8:20

Amazing news, and we now know why the McCanns never sued Halligen.

by jozi 27.10.13 8:21

PeterMac wrote:
Smokeandmirrors wrote:
This once again brings up the issue of the Fund being fraudulent. Appealing for money to help the search when the public were incontrovertibly being misled is a very serious crime.
The McCanns could theoretically be done for fraud, perverting the course of justice, defamation, wasting police time (SY had to get written permission for this latest bit of info, wasn't freely forthcoming), and probably some other crimes too.
I hope they get the book thrown at them, and a heavy one at that.
And of course the Fraud is committed on English soil, and thus under the jurisdiction of English Police.
Perhaps we begin to understand why McVey bailed out. Would be interesting to see if the timing corresponds.

And some interesting questions for Mitchell at the hustings ?

The Portuguese Police did say their investigation and SY was not on the same theme ........perhaps SY are investigating the fund as that was registered in the UK ?

by plebgate 27.10.13 8:22

Anybody know what Untruly Judy is saying on twitter (if ahything) about this news?

by sami 27.10.13 8:29

Crikey, I logged on to see how the justice/whitewash poll was going and I have been met with this. clapping

I'm lost for words......

by Liz Eagles 27.10.13 8:32

kitchen wrote:
aquila wrote:Doesn't the Rebekah Brooks trial begin tomorrow? Can someone confirm?
Yes it does.

Thanks kitchen.

So, what's going on in the next couple of weeks?

RB Trial begins 28th October - Sunday Times print one hell of a factual article re McCanns 27th October

Kate McCann on Radio 4 to support Missing People 4th November

Lisbon trial resumes 5th November

Royal Charter being considered?

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