Re: WOW A MUST READ -Madeleine clues hidden for five years - Sunday Times Full article now on Page 1

by Beanie 27.10.13 8:32

plebgate wrote:Anybody know what Untruly Judy is saying on twitter (if ahything) about this news?

[ltr]The latest of her offerings plebgate.[/ltr]

[ltr] Do we know we can believe Oakley? I don't think so. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.][/ltr]

by TellTheTruth 27.10.13 8:33

PeterMac wrote:
TellTheTruth wrote:I hope this news gets to Amaral soon..
It is on its way !

Thank you PeterMac, it's sure to cheer him.
Hopefully the libel trial will go in his favour now and I'll be able to buy his book for family and friends for Christmas Mrs

by pennylane 27.10.13 8:33

Read it an weep Clarence Mitchell, Jim Gamble, Lorraine Kelly and all the other brain dead McCann sycophants!

Met Commissioner Bernard Hogan-Howe and DCI Andy Redwood, may I suggest you stop sucking up to these two despicable imposters!

by jozi 27.10.13 8:34

What will happen to BK now, he hired all the PIs on behalf of the Mcs, so he must have known about thisand did nothing ?

I hope the trial is not stopped and the Mcs are allowed to give evidence !

These are the people who have ruined and ridiculed everyone who questioned the abduction, including all us nutters......guess what !!!

by Smokeandmirrors 27.10.13 8:39

jozi wrote:What will happen to BK now, he hired all the PIs on behalf of the Mcs, so he must have known about thisand did nothing ?

I hope the trial is not stopped and the Mcs are allowed to give evidence !

These are the people who have ruined and ridiculed everyone who questioned the abduction, including all us nutters......guess what !!!

I hope they are now FORCED to stand in Lisbon.

They cannot get away with this much longer. Arrogantly dictating terms to everyone else, about time they had some terms forced on them.

by TellTheTruth 27.10.13 8:39

There have been 6 comments posted on the Times website but for some reason they won't open to read.

Anybody else have any luck?

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by TellTheTruth 27.10.13 8:41

Maybe you can only read them if you subscribe.

by Guest 27.10.13 8:42

TellTheTruth wrote:Maybe you can only read them if you subscribe.

It is subscription only.

by plebgate 27.10.13 8:43

Beanie wrote:
plebgate wrote:Anybody know what Untruly Judy is saying on twitter (if ahything) about this news?
[ltr]The latest of her offerings plebgate.[/ltr]

[ltr] Do we know we can believe Oakley? I don't think so. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.][/ltr]

Thanks Beanie. Who would have guessed. lol.

That's right, no-one would believe Oakley, that's why solicitors wrote to them to stop them revealing the report?

by russiandoll 27.10.13 8:46

ChillyHeat wrote:There simply cannot be spin put out on this revelation....McCanns, your effed. If not by law yet, but by all those around the world whom are seeing you as the definite McScams

Madeleine....It seems Justice is near

This piece is exactly in line with what Jon Snow said on C4 news at the time of the CW programme, the only channel I heard this major news reported. His words : THE RELEASE OF 2 E FITS WHICH WERE LEFT IN THE FILES OF McCann PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS FOR 5 YEARS.

It said it all then....held and suppressed and now we learn the full details, suppressed after a recommendation that this was the best lead to find the child.

Scared of legal action so did not hand to SY asap? Had to be demanded as part of the investigation.
Redwood and the guy under threat of legal action have probably had numerous long conversations on the record.

This is now in the mainstream news, ALL the sordid details in one of the most revered UK newspapers, read in Europe and the USA.

If the genie was not quite out of the bottle because his behind was stuck, he is escaped now and there is for certain no way of getting it back in.

There is no way any kind of laundry powder will clean this up, if that was ever the plan.

The fat lady is warming up her voice as we type.

by SeeIyay 27.10.13 8:46

ST Insight is one of the few remaining old school journo's still in print media. Back in the 60's they broke thalidomide and recently cash for votes at FIFA. Sueing this lot is a totally different proposition. They have a reputation for old school criteria in journalism. 1. They don't release without the old criteria of validity. 2. They always give a right to reply before print ('Hi it's the insight team here we are planning to run a story tomorrow about ...and wondered if you would comment').
They are also known for campaigns and 3-4 parters on a big story. Always look for the 'trailers' in the article. Here's one:'An earlier sighting by one of the McCanns’ friends was dismissed as less credible after “serious inconsistencies” were found in her evidence. The report also raised questions about “anomalies” in the statements given by the McCanns and their friends.'
This means the team have material on inconsistencies ready for next week. Expect stories in the week that 'the ST Insight team will say that...' When whistleblowers know the insight team will run their story it's a gamechanger. These guys are corduroy jacketed, shoe leathered bloodhounds. Sometimes you cant beat old media.

by tegan1973 27.10.13 8:47

I can't see anything else relating to this in other newspapers.

I'm impressed with the Times for being the first newspaper, in a long time, to write something that isn't glowing about the McCanns.

by **PeterMac** 27.10.13 8:48

jozi wrote:What will happen to BK now, he hired all the PIs on behalf of the Mcs, so he must have known about this and did nothing ?

And Carter-Ruck, various, And some, if not all of the Tapas 7, and Mitchell,
and the Directors of the Fraudulent Fund, and Gerry's brother, and possible his sister, and possibly Kate's mother
ALL OF THEM involved in what May turn out to be a massive conspiracy
possibly to pervert the course of justice, and possibly to defraud.

Hope that wording is OK - Kevin

by TellTheTruth 27.10.13 8:50

candyfloss wrote:
TellTheTruth wrote:Maybe you can only read them if you subscribe.
It is subscription only.

Ok, thank you candyfloss, I thought perhaps it might be. Wasn't there a poster pages back who posted the complete story?

Hopefully they might come back and post the comments. Just curious to see the response..

Also, does anyone know if this is only included in the online edition or the printed one too? Got to shop soon and will leave the page open at the newspaper stand if it's in print.

Just doing my bit for FOI and all that lol

by plebgate 27.10.13 8:50

Thanks for that post Seelyay, good to see someone post about how this paper goes about its business. thumbup

by pennylane 27.10.13 8:51

tegan1973 wrote:I can't see anything else relating to this in other newspapers.

I'm impressed with the Times for being the first newspaper, in a long time, to write something that isn't glowing about the McCanns.

Very impressed indeed! thumbup

I do hope the 'twitterers' start spreading this news far and wide!

by Guest 27.10.13 8:51

plebgate wrote:
Beanie wrote:
plebgate wrote:Anybody know what Untruly Judy is saying on twitter (if ahything) about this news?
[ltr]The latest of her offerings plebgate.[/ltr]

[ltr] Do we know we can believe Oakley? I don't think so. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.][/ltr]

Thanks Beanie. Who would have guessed. lol.

That's right, no-one would believe Oakley, that's why solicitors wrote to them to stop them revealing the report?

Her latest

There will be an explanation so don't get your knick knock knoos in a twist. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Link to twitter

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by pennylane 27.10.13 8:56

Cherry Blossom wrote:
plebgate wrote:
Beanie wrote:
plebgate wrote:Anybody know what Untruly Judy is saying on twitter (if ahything) about this news?
[ltr]The latest of her offerings plebgate.[/ltr]

[ltr] Do we know we can believe Oakley? I don't think so. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.][/ltr]

Thanks Beanie. Who would have guessed. lol.

That's right, no-one would believe Oakley, that's why solicitors wrote to them to stop them revealing the report?
Her latest

There will be an explanation so don't get your knick knock knoos in a twist. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Link to twitter

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Can't blame this one on dirty nappies!

by tegan1973 27.10.13 8:58

pennylane wrote:
tegan1973 wrote:I can't see anything else relating to this in other newspapers.

I'm impressed with the Times for being the first newspaper, in a long time, to write something that isn't glowing about the McCanns.
Very impressed indeed!

I do hope the 'twitterers' start spreading this news far and wide!

Because it's behind a paywall, it is not that easy to link to it

by plebgate 27.10.13 8:59

Thanks for the link CB. Had a good laugh at some of the comments, especially the one about the Renault McCann number plate Shill? Great. big grin

by Smokeandmirrors 27.10.13 9:02

PeterMac wrote:
jozi wrote:What will happen to BK now, he hired all the PIs on behalf of the Mcs, so he must have known about this and did nothing ?
And Carter-Ruck, various, And some, if not all of the Tapas 7, and Mitchell,
and the Directors of the Fraudulent Fund, and Gerry's brother, and possible his sister, and possibly Kate's mother
ALL OF THEM involved in what May turn out to be a massive conspiracy
possibly to pervert the course of justice, and possibly to defraud.

Hope that wording is OK - Kevin

Carter Ruck, in acting for the McScams in their litigation against Tony, although for contempt of court, KNEW that their clients were suppressing evidence, were therefore COMPLICIT in their lies, and KNEW Tony had fair and just cause to be trying to bring JUSTICE and TRUTH to the fore.

Therefore, the ruling against Tony, they KNEW in part at least to be FALSE.

Have they therefore broken some code of conduct? What would the Law Society make of this?

The stench and filth that this case has brought is so very sickening, and for the Team McCann to be suppressing, suing and the rest in the name of an innocent three year old is one of the most disgusting travesties I have ever encountered in my life. My heart goes out ever more to the poor twins.

by russiandoll 27.10.13 9:03

Smokeandmirrors wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
Smokeandmirrors wrote:
This once again brings up the issue of the Fund being fraudulent. Appealing for money to help the search when the public were incontrovertibly being misled is a very serious crime.
The McCanns could theoretically be done for fraud, perverting the course of justice, defamation, wasting police time (SY had to get written permission for this latest bit of info, wasn't freely forthcoming), and probably some other crimes too.
I hope they get the book thrown at them, and a heavy one at that.
And of course the Fraud is committed on English soil, and thus under the jurisdiction of English Police.
Perhaps we begin to understand why McVey bailed out. Would be interesting to see if the timing corresponds.

And some interesting questions for Mitchell at the hustings ?
Indeed. This is shocking stuff, threatening PI's not to release info that is critical of the Mc's. Blows out of the water their lies about doing anything to find Madeleine. In fact, they have been the most obstructive pair of con artists imaginable.

Peter, from a Det. Supt. point of view, what do you think SY would have made of having to write to the fund to get data that had been deliberately suppressed under threat of legal action by a pair claiming to be doing everything possible to help find their child?

I imagine there are some very interesting conversations going on behind closed doors today!

And now we have the reason why Redwood kept his distance from the pair on CW. Disgusting does not begin to describe it.
No wonder he said he was fighting for Maddie, knowing the extent of the dirty dealings in the background.

He must have rehearsed his lines well THIS CASE HAS GONE ON FOR FAR TOO LONG so he did not say want was on his lips... THIS BULLSHIT HAS GONE ON FOR FAR TOO LONG.

If the Times has published this, there is no reason why it should not be all over every newspaper in the UK and beyond. A bombshell like this will not be ignored by papers wanting mass sales.

There it is in black and white, inarguable, all the filth for the world to see.

What goes around comes around, karma indeed.

by Truthandjustice 27.10.13 9:04

I am guessing Brooks has always had the inside info on them. If they were being defended by Murdoch no way would this have come out..

by ProfessorPPlum 27.10.13 9:05

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by jozi 27.10.13 9:06

russiandoll wrote:
ChillyHeat wrote:There simply cannot be spin put out on this revelation....McCanns, your effed. If not by law yet, but by all those around the world whom are seeing you as the definite McScams

Madeleine....It seems Justice is near
This piece is exactly in line with what Jon Snow said on C4 news at the time of the CW programme, the only channel I heard this major news reported. His words : THE RELEASE OF 2 E FITS WHICH WERE LEFT IN THE FILES OF McCann PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS FOR 5 YEARS.

It said it all then....held and suppressed and now we learn the full details, suppressed after a recommendation that this was the best lead to find the child.

Scared of legal action so did not hand to SY asap? Had to be demanded as part of the investigation.
Redwood and the guy under threat of legal action have probably had numerous long conversations on the record.

This is now in the mainstream news, ALL the sordid details in one of the most revered UK newspapers, read in Europe and the USA.

If the genie was not quite out of the bottle because his behind was stuck, he is escaped now and there is for certain no way of getting it back in.

There is no way any kind of laundry powder will clean this up, if that was ever the plan.

The fat lady is warming up her voice as we type.

I did hear this RD on sky news when they showed a trailer of CW over here,not being able to view the whole CW program.I was waiting for comments on here but then thought I must have heard wrong .

by TellTheTruth 27.10.13 9:08

And someone has posted the dogs video. How very unhelpful!

Don't think they are barking up the wrong tree, think they sniffed out the truth from the start... Mrs

by Smokeandmirrors 27.10.13 9:08

I so dearly hope you are right about your assessment of Redwood Russiandoll.

This makes me so cross, all the bullcrap, hyperbole, weaselling words we have been subjected to.

Just want someone to get on with bringing this to a swift conclusion now and for the McCanns to be stopped from producing all this hideous obfuscation.

by sallypelt 27.10.13 9:10

GOOD MORNING all those searching for truth and justice. And what a VERY good morning it is.

I have been saying for a very long time, this is HUGE, but even I didn't grasp how big it really is.

As Dr Amaral told us back last year, "it's not going to well for the McCann's"

And we all know that our police force leaves a lot to be desired, but even they couldn't let this carry on. As A Redwood said "this has been going on too long"

I have NEVER been an "anti McCann". What I am is pro truth and anti injustice. I've even felt desperately sorry for the loss of their child, but with this latest news, I have turned into an anti McCann, and I am not ashamed to say it. What despicable people. Just ask Dr Amaral, Pat Brown and Tony Bennett, for starters

by Pennypennypenny 27.10.13 9:10

From where I am sitting, it seems to me that even if TM don't know what happened to Madeleine , all that concerns them is suppressing evidence of their bad parenting. Personally, I do believe she wondered out of the apartment or met with some sort of accident. TM knew how this would look, and smoke and mirrors were put up,

by sallypelt 27.10.13 9:13

Pennypennypenny wrote:From where I am sitting, it seems to me that even if TM don't know what happened to Madeleine , all that concerns them is suppressing evidence of their bad parenting. Personally, I do believe she wondered out of the apartment or met with some sort of accident. TM knew how this would look, and smoke and mirrors were put up,

But those pesky dogs just won't go away. They MUST know

WOW A MUST READ -Madeleine clues hidden for five years - Sunday Times Full article now on Page 1