Re: SMITHMAN 2 - What can account for the 17 remarkable similarities between Tannerman and Smithman?

by **Tony Bennett** 21.10.14 18:28

HelenMeg wrote:
Hi Tony

Firstly, I am a fan of yours - for the work you put in and for the lengths you go to to back up your beliefs.

I am a fan of Textusa for the same reasons and admit that until I read her blog then my beliefs regarding Smithman were not formed in any shape or form.

I have read so many different sources on this case and can't hope to recall them all. But I really don't want to convince anyone to believe what I believe.

I don't want to attempt to win people over to my belief because I am too lazy to try and back up my belief with evidence and research.

My beliefs regarding Smithman, that were formed after reading various Textusa blog posts on Smithman, fitted in with my overall understanding of the case from having read endless media reports, internet sources, 3 arguidos forum, Mirror forum etc.

Importantly for me, I am comfortable with my beliefs about Smithman. I like observing how people behave and why.

GM walking around with a live child to back up the abduction is feasible. It is how I believe he would act under pressure, trying to control the show. It was a mistake.

I am comfortable that the Smiths took a long time to come forward. It is feasible to me that they needed prompting. It just is. I can't pretend otherwise. I might have taken that long too, depending on various factors or circumstances.

However, what I believe and what stands up in court are different matters. You make a very good case for your beliefs and I applaud that.

But for whatever reason, I still believe what I have outlined in previous posts. But as I keep saying, it is not important to me to try to convince anyone else here.

OK, many thanks for your detailed and honest reply.

I think the key words are "GM walking around with a live child to back up the abduction is feasible".

I think we will certainly have to part company on whether this theory is remotely 'feasible'.

But you have at least been candid and admitted that the only evidence you have for it is Martin Smith saying, 11 days later, that he was '60% to 80%' sure it was Gerry McCann that he had seen in the dark over four-and-a-half months previously - by the way he was carrying his child down the aeroplane steps. No evidence whatsoever that he was carrying Jane Tanner's daughter.

It's just that in trying to establish what has happened in this convoluted case, just like in any other, we need to follow where the evidence leads and not go off on flights of fancy just because they are considered 'feasible'

by j.rob 22.10.14 12:04

In my opinion, it must have been MORE than just a tragic accident like banging her head. TM must also have have wanted at all cost to avoid Madeleine (and possibly the twins too) being treated in hospital. Why? Possible explanations: to cover up sedation or other drug use; to cover up abuse; to cover up medical negligence (and these are not mutually exclusive of course.)

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Just wanted to add to this. Another possible explanation for covering up what happened could be that it was very important to hide Madeleine's medical records/family circumstances.

Explanations for this could be: there was some kind of medical experimentation lurking in the background; there was medical negligence; she was 'at risk'; there was something unusual in the family circumstances that they did not want revealed; parents did not have full custody etc, etc.

One of Detective Amaral's questions that Kate refused to answer: did you ever consider handing over the care of Madeleine to relatives?

by j.rob 22.10.14 12:10

Hicks wrote:
joyce1938 wrote:I am not certain ,but I thought the cleaning must have been sometime after the night she was taken? There were quite a no . of people in and out of said apt. as soon as the call went out .they have taken her /? so hairs and dne could been left by a no . of folk ? before the pj got there ?just a thought and memory / was the dna of friends and police looked at ? difficult to know if anyone else could have entrered that apartment not that I believe she was kidnapped. joyce1938
joyce you are probably right about the 'lntense' cleaning being done after Madeleine was taken. I still maintain though that apartment 5 was set up well before the alarm.
Madeleine's bed for one example. That looked so staged. Imagine going to find your child gone from her bed, the last place you saw her. Wouldn't you rip back the bedclothes in disbelief, looking for some clue like blood, vomit, anything?

Another example. The twins were not in that bedroom, they were hastily returned to their cots, the cots that had no sheets.
Quite possibly sedated so that there would be no interruption to deal with.

I think that the children's bedroom was empty, until Kate raised the alarm.

Yes, agree about the 'staged' bedroom scene.You would definitely pull the covers right back. Looking for any clues at all like clothing left and, as you say, blood, vomit. Other stains. Any clues at all as to what might have happened.

by joyce1938 22.10.14 12:54

I would seem that on the actual night she was taken, was not the cleaning night at all ,I think it was after that week the real thorough clean . I have read the pj did all the normal searching and checking when arrived that night ,and all the extras were or had been inside apartment ,so the real question is ,what day did the completescrub take place ,there seems something out of kilter here and cant make up mind why ? Was it not a few weeks later there had to have been deep cleaning done ?If anyone can tell me what to look at I will gladly do so .just feels like something missing about this ,would it have to do with ,at first the parents were not being looked at ? joyce1938

by Guest 24.10.14 22:20

The question of the thorough clean and when it could have taken place has been raised elsewhere today.

I had always assumed, like Joyce, that any 'toothbrush-intense' scrubbing took place after the first few days, a perfunctory one being done on the night before the police arrived.

But I learned tonight that the police shut off the apartment in the early hours and the McCanns were obliged to bunk in with the Paynes. They returned briefly the next morning to collect belongings.

Does anyone know if they had further prolonged access to the flat before forensic searches were deployed?

Because if the intense clean-up couldn't have happened after the night of 3rd - and the flat was spotless and dna free, of course - then it must have occured before they left for dinner. Which would indicate the occurrence of death earlier on 3rd or in the week.

As ever, just questions and theories being mused upon.

by **sharonl** 29.10.17 21:32

Bumping for new members and readers who still believe that Madeleine disappeared on 3rd May and that Smithman sighting was genuine

SMITHMAN 2 - What can account for the 17 remarkable similarities between Tannerman and Smithman?

Why are there 17 similarities between Tannerman and Smithman?