Re: CRIMEWATCH ON BBC ***Part 1 DISCUSSION****

by sami 16.10.13 0:50

candyfloss wrote:
sami wrote:
Woofer wrote:If SY have spoken to the Smiths I hope the Smiths told how they were harrassed by the Kennedy windows man and also Metodo 3
Smith told the Irish police about the visit in his statement.
I bet Mr Smith is wondering why his photo-fits weren't ever used. It's an odd one, why shell out money for them and not use them?

There is something not right about this, IMO. Smith said he had been asked to do an e-fit during the visit but had declined.

It would seem therefore he did them eventually, if what we know now is true.

Why would McCann PIs ask a man who they must have known had clearly suggested their client to be the man they saw to do an e-fit of him? Below is 30 jan 2008, a cover letter by Irish police.

Detective Branch
Drogheda
County Lough

Re – Investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

I took an additional statement from Mr Smith as requested. His wife does not want to make another statement. I showed him the video clip and he stated that it was not the clip that alerted him but the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007.

He has been contacted by numerous tabloid press looking for stories. He has been contacted by Mr Brian Kennedy who is supporting the McCann family to take part in a photo fit exercise. He has given no stories or helped in any photo fits. He sent a solicitor’s letter to six papers in relation material that was printed that was misquoted. The Evening Herald paid his solicitor's fees and all papers printed an apology. His photograph appeared in another tabloid paper and this matter is being pursued at the moment.

I do not believe that Martin Smith is courting the press and my view his is a genuine person. He is known locally and is a very decent person.

Forwarded please

Sergeant

L*** H****

by MoonGoddess 16.10.13 0:53

sami wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
sami wrote:
Woofer wrote:If SY have spoken to the Smiths I hope the Smiths told how they were harrassed by the Kennedy windows man and also Metodo 3
Smith told the Irish police about the visit in his statement.
I bet Mr Smith is wondering why his photo-fits weren't ever used. It's an odd one, why shell out money for them and not use them?
There is something not right about this, IMO. Smith said he had been asked to do an e-fit during the visit but had declined.

It would seem therefore he did them eventually, if what we know now is true.

Why would McCann PIs ask a man who they must have known had clearly suggested their client to be the man they saw to do an e-fit of him? Below is 30 jan 2008, a cover letter by Irish police.

Detective Branch
Drogheda
County Lough

Re – Investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

I took an additional statement from Mr Smith as requested. His wife does not want to make another statement. I showed him the video clip and he stated that it was not the clip that alerted him but the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007.

He has been contacted by numerous tabloid press looking for stories. He has been contacted by Mr Brian Kennedy who is supporting the McCann family to take part in a photo fit exercise. He has given no stories or helped in any photo fits. He sent a solicitor’s letter to six papers in relation material that was printed that was misquoted. The Evening Herald paid his solicitor's fees and all papers printed an apology. His photograph appeared in another tabloid paper and this matter is being pursued at the moment.

I do not believe that Martin Smith is courting the press and my view his is a genuine person. He is known locally and is a very decent person.

Forwarded please

Sergeant

L*** H****

I just asked that in another thread..... I am confused about that too.... surely Mr Smith would have been to wary to do it for anyone working for the guy he'd nailed?

by ChuckieD 16.10.13 1:43

PeeWit wrote:
sami wrote:
Woofer wrote:If SY have spoken to the Smiths I hope the Smiths told how they were harrassed by the Kennedy windows man and also Metodo 3
Smith told the Irish police about the visit in his statement.
IMO, the only thing that's needed now is for one of the Nationals to print the Smith's statements on its front page......endgame!!
The only problem I see with this is that the Smiths will be caught in the middle of a national, nay international media frenzy, and I'm sure they do not deserve this!

They really don't. I'm sure there was a huge amount of reluctance wondering how much it would blow up, do we want to get involved, it's taken over 6 years for it to blow so can't imagine the impact now.

by Cristobell 16.10.13 2:01

I wonder if the e-fits were commissioned by the PJ around the time they were trying to organise the reconstruction? It seems to me the one who took over from Goncalo Amaral (can't think of his name, doh!) reached the same stage as GA had, and in fact, the same stage as SY have reached now? I just can't see the mccanns using Fund money to have e-fits drawn up that they were never going to use. I suspect the e-fits were probably in the PJ files and available to the mccanns, and all their private investigators 5.5 years ago.

by lj 16.10.13 2:34

candyfloss wrote:Read it and Weep

by Dr Martin Roberts

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OMG that photo from Andy!! I haven't read a word yet, but you all have to go there a take a look at the photo. I think it says all.

by **tigger** 16.10.13 6:57

Well, the reconstruction was made 6 months ago.

When we saw them in May looking for the first time in six years truly distressed - was that because they'd been told that Gerry's. solid gold alibi had been ditched ?

by aiyoyo 16.10.13 7:05

lj wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Read it and Weep

by Dr Martin Roberts

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OMG that photo from Andy!! I haven't read a word yet, but you all have to go there a take a look at the photo. I think it says all.

No OMG moment for me!
E-fit's man ears are completely different from GM.
Nope, I don't think the E-fit is anything like GM despite whoever efforts at morphing.

by Guest 16.10.13 7:07

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candyfloss wrote:Read it and Weep

by Dr Martin Roberts

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OMG that photo from Andy!! I haven't read a word yet, but you all have to go there a take a look at the photo. I think it says all.

Do you mean this one?

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by Me 16.10.13 7:19

Here's something i posted on another forum but i think it's worth reposting on here in relation to Tanner's sighting and Redwood's elimination of him from the enquiry.

Initially i couldn't understand the vagueness in Redwood's "might have been him" coupled with the certainty with which he had eliminated him from the inquiry despite the fact that his route should have taken him the other way from where Jane said she saw bundleman.

Also added to that are the nagging doubts about Tanner's sighting, what with Gerry & Jez not seeing her nor this man and the incorrect positioning on the street etc.

Having thought about it the only conclusion i can draw which makes sense of all these variables is that Tanner did in fact see this man at some point during the night but not at her 9:10 check and not going across the top of the road then in that direction.

She was going backwards and forwards during the night to the apartment so I'm now reasonably certain she did see this man, but i don't believe at that time, nor walking in that direction.

Perhaps SY have also spoken with Jane and she "mis-remembered" in her previous statements and was given an opportunity to correct her previous statements.

It's the only conclusion i can draw from these disparate and random elements.

by sami 16.10.13 7:43

admin wrote:
lj wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Read it and Weep

by Dr Martin Roberts

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OMG that photo from Andy!! I haven't read a word yet, but you all have to go there a take a look at the photo. I think it says all.
Do you mean this one?

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That's his revelation moment. Even he is amazed he is about to say bundle man is no more.

by SixMillionQuid 16.10.13 7:49

Me wrote:Here's something i posted on another forum but i think it's worth reposting on here in relation to Tanner's sighting and Redwood's elimination of him from the enquiry.

Initially i couldn't understand the vagueness in Redwood's "might have been him" coupled with the certainty with which he had eliminated him from the inquiry despite the fact that his route should have taken him the other way from where Jane said she saw bundleman.

Also added to that are the nagging doubts about Tanner's sighting, what with Gerry & Jez not seeing her nor this man and the incorrect positioning on the street etc.

Having thought about it the only conclusion i can draw which makes sense of all these variables is that Tanner did in fact see this man at some point during the night but not at her 9:10 check and not going across the top of the road then in that direction.

She was going backwards and forwards during the night to the apartment so I'm now reasonably certain she did see this man, but i don't believe at that time, nor walking in that direction.

Perhaps SY have also spoken with Jane and she "mis-remembered" in her previous statements and was given an opportunity to correct her previous statements.

It's the only conclusion i can draw from these disparate and random elements.

If this is true then:

1. She's lied about where and she saw this man, if at all.
2. If 1. is true then why haven't the Portuguese authorities been notified her change of mind?
3. Has Redwood or his team spoken to Tanner about this man (before the Crimewatch appeal) and has she confirmed whether or not this was the man she saw. If not why not?
4. This is further proof that she was never a credible witness.

by ultimaThule 16.10.13 7:54

Gosh and golly - Andy's taken his poker face off and doesn't he look better for it? yes

In that photo he looks for all the world like a man who knows he's got it in the bag - job done and chummy, or chummies, will soon be where they belong. big grin

by Cheshire Cat 16.10.13 8:00

MoonGoddess wrote:
sami wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
sami wrote:
Woofer wrote:If SY have spoken to the Smiths I hope the Smiths told how they were harrassed by the Kennedy windows man and also Metodo 3
Smith told the Irish police about the visit in his statement.
I bet Mr Smith is wondering why his photo-fits weren't ever used. It's an odd one, why shell out money for them and not use them?
There is something not right about this, IMO. Smith said he had been asked to do an e-fit during the visit but had declined.

It would seem therefore he did them eventually, if what we know now is true.

Why would McCann PIs ask a man who they must have known had clearly suggested their client to be the man they saw to do an e-fit of him? Below is 30 jan 2008, a cover letter by Irish police.

Detective Branch
Drogheda
County Lough

Re – Investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

I took an additional statement from Mr Smith as requested. His wife does not want to make another statement. I showed him the video clip and he stated that it was not the clip that alerted him but the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007.

He has been contacted by numerous tabloid press looking for stories. He has been contacted by Mr Brian Kennedy who is supporting the McCann family to take part in a photo fit exercise. He has given no stories or helped in any photo fits. He sent a solicitor’s letter to six papers in relation material that was printed that was misquoted. The Evening Herald paid his solicitor's fees and all papers printed an apology. His photograph appeared in another tabloid paper and this matter is being pursued at the moment.

I do not believe that Martin Smith is courting the press and my view his is a genuine person. He is known locally and is a very decent person.

Forwarded please

Sergeant

L*** H****
I just asked that in another thread..... I am confused about that too.... surely Mr Smith would have been to wary to do it for anyone working for the guy he'd nailed?

It is possible that the e-fits were drawn up based on the original statements from the Smith family. Sounds unlikely that they would have met with Kennedy and Co. Amaral has said the man Smith saw might have been McCann but it was to be checked out when he was moved off of the case. Interesting that Mr Smith has not changed his view at all.
I will not be surprised if Smith man is discounted in the same way as Tanner man (also Pat Browns view) in order to 'clear' Gerry.

by ProfessorPPlum 16.10.13 8:23

ultimaThule wrote:Gosh and golly - Andy's taken his poker face off and doesn't he look better for it?

In that photo he looks for all the world like a man who knows he's got it in the bag - job done and chummy, or chummies, will soon be where they belong.

Mmmm. I wouldn't ascribe too much to a momentary screenshot. In any 5 second clip there are *plenty* of hideous and embarrasing micro-moments to pull out to make anyone look evil / sweet / surprised / dead / intelligent tongue

by Pennypennypenny 16.10.13 8:26

I don't think the e fits look anything like Gerry.

by russiandoll 16.10.13 8:28

A polite request to forum members. I might have made a misjudgement in the early hours when I was awake and came here to read. I posted a very long piece from the Mirror re Martin Smith and meant to trim it down but forgot, making this thread even longer.

As it runs to so many pages, can I suggest that if anyone is going to make a 1- line comment on a lengthy post, they only copy the relevant part to comment on, or if it is a general comment about the piece as a whole, make a brief ref to the title and poster, rather than do what I have seen this morning......press the quote button so that there is almost a page of unnecessary text before a one line reply?

Suggesting this because there are so many people posting so much just now, I do not mean to be rude. Sorry for my part in making a lot of reading, I think the last half of my post had been seen in other media reports, dealing with SY and CW.

by sami 16.10.13 8:30

Cheshire Cat wrote:
MoonGoddess wrote:
sami wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
sami wrote:
Woofer wrote:If SY have spoken to the Smiths I hope the Smiths told how they were harrassed by the Kennedy windows man and also Metodo 3
Smith told the Irish police about the visit in his statement.
I bet Mr Smith is wondering why his photo-fits weren't ever used. It's an odd one, why shell out money for them and not use them?
There is something not right about this, IMO. Smith said he had been asked to do an e-fit during the visit but had declined.

It would seem therefore he did them eventually, if what we know now is true.

Why would McCann PIs ask a man who they must have known had clearly suggested their client to be the man they saw to do an e-fit of him? Below is 30 jan 2008, a cover letter by Irish police.

Detective Branch
Drogheda
County Lough

Re – Investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

I took an additional statement from Mr Smith as requested. His wife does not want to make another statement. I showed him the video clip and he stated that it was not the clip that alerted him but the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007.

He has been contacted by numerous tabloid press looking for stories. He has been contacted by Mr Brian Kennedy who is supporting the McCann family to take part in a photo fit exercise. He has given no stories or helped in any photo fits. He sent a solicitor’s letter to six papers in relation material that was printed that was misquoted. The Evening Herald paid his solicitor's fees and all papers printed an apology. His photograph appeared in another tabloid paper and this matter is being pursued at the moment.

I do not believe that Martin Smith is courting the press and my view his is a genuine person. He is known locally and is a very decent person.

Forwarded please

Sergeant

L*** H****
I just asked that in another thread..... I am confused about that too.... surely Mr Smith would have been to wary to do it for anyone working for the guy he'd nailed?
It is possible that the e-fits were drawn up based on the original statements from the Smith family. Sounds unlikely that they would have met with Kennedy and Co. Amaral has said the man Smith saw might have been McCann but it was to be checked out when he was moved off of the case. Interesting that Mr Smith has not changed his view at all.
I will not be surprised if Smith man is discounted in the same way as Tanner man (also Pat Browns view) in order to 'clear' Gerry.

If Smith is discounted to clear Gerry and bundleman is now gone, where then is there any indication of an abduction ? If smith man is found and let us say he was another lost night crèche user, now all we have is a missing child, EVRD's evidence and the parents word. No dubious sightings, nothing.

So the only outcome is that smith man is THE man and he is named and now dead. Unless they produce Madeleine along with this ending, I don't think it's final enough, a dangerous move, IMO.

by sami 16.10.13 8:33

Russiandoll, I am sorry, I did not see your post before I quoted the long passage

by russiandoll 16.10.13 8:33

aiyoyo wrote:
lj wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Read it and Weep

by Dr Martin Roberts

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OMG that photo from Andy!! I haven't read a word yet, but you all have to go there a take a look at the photo. I think it says all.
No OMG moment for me!
E-fit's man ears are completely different from GM.
Nope, I don't think the E-fit is anything like GM despite whoever efforts at morphing.

It was dark and depending where Smith was in relation to the man, the ears might not have been anything that stood out for him [ forgive the pun!]

If Smith was looking at the child's eyes, hair and face [ which we know he did from his statement ] he would not have registered that part of the man's face imo which would have been close to the left hand side of the carrier's head. I think the ears would be what he was least likely to recall. just imo.

by tiny 16.10.13 8:37

did sy give out what this person was wearing,re Smiths sighting as Aoife Smith said this in her statement.

The trousers he was wearing were smooth straight-legged trousers, light beige in colour, of a cotton type material, thicker than linen, possibly with buttons and without any patterns.

now haven't we all seen a pic of Gerry McCann wearing a pair of trousers like this.

by PeeWit 16.10.13 8:40

sami wrote:
Cheshire Cat wrote:
MoonGoddess wrote:
sami wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
sami wrote:
Woofer wrote:If SY have spoken to the Smiths I hope the Smiths told how they were harrassed by the Kennedy windows man and also Metodo 3
Smith told the Irish police about the visit in his statement.
I bet Mr Smith is wondering why his photo-fits weren't ever used. It's an odd one, why shell out money for them and not use them?
There is something not right about this, IMO. Smith said he had been asked to do an e-fit during the visit but had declined.

It would seem therefore he did them eventually, if what we know now is true.

Why would McCann PIs ask a man who they must have known had clearly suggested their client to be the man they saw to do an e-fit of him? Below is 30 jan 2008, a cover letter by Irish police.

Detective Branch
Drogheda
County Lough

Re – Investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

I took an additional statement from Mr Smith as requested. His wife does not want to make another statement. I showed him the video clip and he stated that it was not the clip that alerted him but the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007.

He has been contacted by numerous tabloid press looking for stories. He has been contacted by Mr Brian Kennedy who is supporting the McCann family to take part in a photo fit exercise. He has given no stories or helped in any photo fits. He sent a solicitor’s letter to six papers in relation material that was printed that was misquoted. The Evening Herald paid his solicitor's fees and all papers printed an apology. His photograph appeared in another tabloid paper and this matter is being pursued at the moment.

I do not believe that Martin Smith is courting the press and my view his is a genuine person. He is known locally and is a very decent person.

Forwarded please

Sergeant

L*** H****
I just asked that in another thread..... I am confused about that too.... surely Mr Smith would have been to wary to do it for anyone working for the guy he'd nailed?
It is possible that the e-fits were drawn up based on the original statements from the Smith family. Sounds unlikely that they would have met with Kennedy and Co. Amaral has said the man Smith saw might have been McCann but it was to be checked out when he was moved off of the case. Interesting that Mr Smith has not changed his view at all.
I will not be surprised if Smith man is discounted in the same way as Tanner man (also Pat Browns view) in order to 'clear' Gerry.
If Smith is discounted to clear Gerry and bundleman is now gone, where then is there any indication of an abduction ? If smith man is found and let us say he was another lost night crèche user, now all we have is a missing child, EVRD's evidence and the parents word. No dubious sightings, nothing.

So the only outcome is that smith man is THE man and he is named and now dead. Unless they produce Madeleine along with this ending, I don't think it's final enough, a dangerous move, IMO.

I’m sure I read (years ago) that Kennedy did visit the Smiths and the outcome was that the Smiths “agreed” to drop the percentage "certainty" from 80% to 60%, as to it being GM. Like I say a long time ago!

IMO, if SY had wanted to “clear Gerry” they would NOT have canned Tanner’s evidence so emphatically. It was, as someone mentioned earlier, GM’s “gold plated” alibi. The McCs would have been absolutely distraught when they were told this was going to happen.

And to discredit the sighting, by more than a few people, of a man carrying a little girl (matching M’s description) through PdL that night, and around the time SY are now convinced Madeleine was taken, cannot happen. Though nothing surprises me in this case – that would!

I cannot imagine what the pressure on the Tapas group must be now..

by sweetex 16.10.13 8:45

I’m sure I read (years ago) that Kennedy did visit the Smiths and the outcome was that the Smiths “agreed” to drop the percentage "certainty" from 80% to 60%, as to it being GM. Like I say a long time ago!

IMO, if SY had wanted to “clear Gerry” they would NOT have canned Tanner’s evidence so emphatically. It was, as someone mentioned earlier, GM’s “gold plated” alibi. The McCs would have been absolutely distraught when they were told this was going to happen.

And to discredit the sighting, by more than a few people, of a man carrying a little girl (matching M’s description) through PdL that night, and around the time SY are now convinced Madeleine was taken, cannot happen. Though nothing surprises me in this case – that would!

I cannot imagine what the pressure on the Tapas group must be now..

Exactly what I am thinking! And I'm very sure SY knows this and wants one of them (T7) to come forward

by russiandoll 16.10.13 8:49

quote " I will not be surprised if Smith man is discounted in the same way as Tanner man (also Pat Browns view) in order to 'clear' Gerry "

from Cheshire Cat.

Forgive me for sounding frustrated, but I never get an answer to this question.

WHY?

Please can one of you who thinks this is a huge conspiracy with more tentacles than an octopus, even if in a brief pm to me,,, tell me WHY you think this is the case ? I would really appreciate it, thank you !

[ I do get the logic by the way.... if no man comes forward Smithman and child are the abductor and victim who will never be found. Job done .]

I go with Occam's razor, and the conspiracy is way too complex for me, with too many people involved for whatever reason and too risky that someone will leak info by accident or design.

Imo given the type of guest there I would go for controversial medical research project rather than vip scandal esp involving children after what has been exposed in the media recently.

There has been speculation that one of the group had leverage on a big cheese in or near OC. Am always interested to hear what this might involve so please tell me your thoughts.

by riskybuisness 16.10.13 8:51

working on an old view:- the simplest answer is often the correct one.

Have any of you just considered the possibility that Madeline just walked out then something happened to her- abduction or as she was a small girl and it was dark , it would be very possible for her to has been knocked down. Say the driver had been drinking and then panicked picked her up and got rid of her. Now that would bring us back to the tapas lot and how they have acted since.

Well as far as I can see in this whole ordeal right from the start the focus for Gerry and Kate has been on themselves (I think their attitude is why sites like this exist)- They have never acted they way we would expect a mum and dad in that situation to do. Every interview has been on how they feel / how they are coping- where as, most of us would be constantly be talking about what our child could be going through and things we had done with them in the past. That brings me back to the tapas lot, and the smoke and mirrors situation, as I said this lot focus 1st and foremost on themselves, say they had been up to stuff that would be seen as unacceptable for doctors (over and above leaving small kids in alone). What if the coming and going had nothing to do with checking -this lot go into career preservation mode and smoke is started.

May be at the start when the police 1st arrived some of the tapas lot just thought there fabricated stuff wouldn't matter as they were expecting Madeline to be found soon (I remember reading somewhere that the older lady made some comment that she had run off previously). However, once their statements were given - they where tied in.

If you are all sure that the man the Smiths saw was Gerry- then could he have found Madeline dead out of the flat and then panicked - may be the other taps lot did not know this until much later (or even still believe she is missing), in the start they think they are just covering their tracks for career preservation as I fail to believe that 9 people would conspire to cover up the death of a child. If they had I am sure some would have mental health issues by now.

I am open minded in this case as I have no idea what actually took place, however, I do think that Gerry and Kate should be charged with other offences while the investigation continues- the 1st of which should be the neglect or abandonment of their children- they have no alibi and not enough smoke and mirrors to get out of that one.

by russiandoll 16.10.13 8:59

re : the " flush out" , an amusing true story AND IT INVOLVES DOGS !

Police bark like dogs to flush out suspects holed-up in house in New Haven, Connecticut

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April 01, 2013 11:58AM

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The dogs were unavailable, so New haven police did the barking themselves to scare two crooks into surrendering. It paid off. Source: News Limited

POLICE had to improvise during a standoff to coax two suspects out of a house by literally barking like dogs.

New Haven Police Department said the two men had led officers on a car chase through the city before they were tracked down to a suburban house.
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As a dozen officers surrounded the house, police hostage negotiators threatened to unleash the canine units, but the dogs weren't available.
So they had officers pretend to bark like dogs and it worked.
The two men - who had stolen a car - walked outside and were arrested on the spot.
"They were trained. These cops were trained to do stuff like that," one witness said. "I guess that was the best technique to do what they needed to do to get people out."
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by russiandoll 16.10.13 9:07

riskybusiness...thanks for that interesting post. I agree that what happened to Madeleine is very simple. What has been complicated is the elaborate cover up afterwards.
All designed to deflect attention from where it should be directed.

The Tanner sighting....the only thing to make abduction something worth considering has quite rightly gone in the bin.

There is nothing left but an empty bed, a missing child and a man walking towards the ocean.

As stated by various people with experience in these matters on Sky last night.... empty apartments at this location, it was not an escape route and not a planned abduction because the MO in such cases would mean entry to abduct straight after a check...the new timeline does not allow this.

These were their opinions and conclusions based on the CW programme, on that alone they decided on the above NOT scenarios.

by SixMillionQuid 16.10.13 9:13

russiandoll wrote:quote " I will not be surprised if Smith man is discounted in the same way as Tanner man (also Pat Browns view) in order to 'clear' Gerry "

from Cheshire Cat.

Forgive me for sounding frustrated, but I never get an answer to this question.

WHY?

Please can one of you who thinks this is a huge conspiracy with more tentacles than an octopus, even if in a brief pm to me,,, tell me WHY you think this is the case ? I would really appreciate it, thank you !

[ I do get the logic by the way.... if no man comes forward Smithman and child are the abductor and victim who will never be found. Job done .]

I go with Occam's razor, and the conspiracy is way too complex for me, with too many people involved for whatever reason and too risky that someone will leak info by accident or design.

Imo given the type of guest there I would go for controversial medical research project rather than vip scandal esp involving children after what has been exposed in the media recently.

There has been speculation that one of the group had leverage on a big cheese in or near OC. Am always interested to hear what this might involve so please tell me your thoughts.

Operation Grange do not consider the MCanns as suspects. As far as they are concerned they have been eliminated from enquiries. If they were of interest we would not have had the Crimewatch appeal which would have been proved to have been a waste of time of money - as the McCanns would be suspects wouldn't they?

So if I can turn the question around. If you consider Mr Redwood is playing blinder and 300 people called Crimewatch on Monday to say who it was, what are you expecting Mr Redwood and his team to do now?

by riskybuisness 16.10.13 9:24

russiandoll wrote:riskybusiness...thanks for that interesting post. I agree that what happened to Madeleine is very simple. What has been complicated is the elaborate cover up afterwards.
All designed to deflect attention from where it should be directed.

The Tanner sighting....the only thing to make abduction something worth considering has quite rightly gone in the bin.

There is nothing left but an empty bed, a missing child and a man walking towards the ocean.

As stated by various people with experience in these matters on Sky last night.... empty apartments at this location, it was not an escape route and not a planned abduction because the MO in such cases would mean entry to abduct straight after a check...the new timeline does not allow this.

These were their opinions and conclusions based on the CW programme, on that alone they decided on the above NOT scenarios.

I certainly don't think any abduction took place from in the apartment, all the talk of doors being moved as evidence of an intruder just made me mad, every parent knows that if your kids disappears from the room you think they are in - the first thing you do is run through the house pushing doors this way and that until you find them. No one stops to look at door positions, I have only ever done that once and that was at arrival of my front door to find it open and we had been burgled,- kid missing the door is the last thing you'd notice. Having said that - I still think she could could have just wondered out looking for her aw-all parents.

I would not be overly surprised to find out that what you all think is correct but I would be very surprised to find out that the T9 were all aware of that. However, that does not mean that I think if the worst is proved they should not be prosecuted for perverting justice as they have had 6 years to come clean.

by endgame 16.10.13 9:24

In all the furore over the Smith sighting and the possibility that this may in fact be GM, I cannot conceive of a rational scenario that would actually place him there at 10 0'clock. Not that the answer needs to be rational of course.

Assuming that Madeleine suffered an accident sometime on the evening of May 3 [or earlier] and a fake abduction plan was hatched [the most commonly presented scenario] why would that plan involve GM wandering the streets of PdL with a dead child open to recognition at any time and at the very moment when he most needed to be seen at and around 5A? Even accepting that McCann timings and restaurant staff timings vary, I cannot get my head around why he would be doing this at that particular time. The other issue is fitting this into absolutely verifiable sightings of GM at the Ocean Club. If he was actually on his way to dispose of or hide Madeleine how long would that take him and is it conceivable that he would accomplish all this and get back within a timescale when he is absolutely known to be at OC?

I suppose you could argue that the "accident" happened much later and he was just getting out of there in a blind panic or that he was deliberately trying to create a dummy sighting [seems unlikely/ far too risky]. So given all his other options why would he have been there at that precise time?

The next question would be how, as some suggest, if he was about the process of disposal does this fit in with the cadaver odour in the car?

I can actually find no reasonable explanation for anyone - GM, planned abductor, burglar, whatever - to be carting Madeleine around a mile away from the OC at this time.

Anyone help?

by lj 16.10.13 9:25

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OMG that photo from Andy!! I haven't read a word yet, but you all have to go there a take a look at the photo. I think it says all.
Do you mean this one?

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