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Post by PEANUT66 04.07.13 19:18

Hi all, Newbie here. I think with all that's happened lurkers are getting the courage to come onto the site and join in the discussion. I came across this site a couple of months ago, not really knowing anything about the case...All I can say now is WOW You couldn't even write a  fiction book with this!

I felt compelled after the latest revelations to give my opinion.

I think that Kate and Gerrys reaction speaks volumes...when have they ever been so quiet? When has Mr.Pink been so quiet?  The faces of the McCanns at poor Madeleine's virgil speaks louder than words.    I personally think there is so much more that is going on that hasn't been said.  The way the statement is worded has been chosen VERY carefully.

I myself along with all you good people on here just want justice for "the little girl with no voice"smilie
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Post by russiandoll 04.07.13 19:19

Merely was saying what I read and heard. Third party references to eliminations which were not in anything I read or heard directly from DCI Redwood.
 It might well be the case that the 9 are not of interest, or were of interest and have been eliminated, it is the case that I did not hear this in anything I saw of Redwood speaking.

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Post by Guest 04.07.13 19:21

PEANUT66 wrote:Hi all, Newbie here. I think with all that's happened lurkers are getting the courage to come onto the site and join in the discussion. I came across this site a couple of months ago, not really knowing anything about the case...All I can say now is WOW You couldn't even write a  fiction book with this!

I felt compelled after the latest revelations to give my opinion.

I think that Kate and Gerrys reaction speaks volumes...when have they ever been so quiet? When has Mr.Pink been so quiet?  The faces of the McCanns at poor Madeleine's virgil speaks louder than words.    I personally think there is so much more that is going on that hasn't been said.  The way the statement is worded has been chosen VERY carefully.

I myself along with all you good people on here just want justice for "the little girl with no voice"smilie

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Post by Woofer 04.07.13 19:22

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It had the top slot on PM this evening ahead of Egypt problems.

Quite a lengthy piece including an interview with Mark Williams-Thomas.

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Post by Guest 04.07.13 19:23

russiandoll wrote:Merely was saying what I read and heard. Third party references to eliminations which were not in anything I read or heard directly from DCI Redwood.
 It might well be the case that the 9 are not of interest, or were of interest and have been eliminated, it is the case that I did not hear this in anything I saw of Redwood speaking.

Did Andy Redwood actually say this or did the reporter say he said it. Big difference.

Just wish I could find a direct quote to it. All I can find is this from the ITV but not a direct quote from Andy Redwood, yet there are direct quotes from him in the piece but this is not...

They have ruled out any involvement of Kate and Gerry McCann or the seven friends who were holidaying with them.

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Post by jd 04.07.13 19:26

aiyoyo wrote:
Just ask yourself why the Portuguese should or would oblige the CPS or the UK Government just to satisfy MET whitewash (if that is the objective)?

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Post by russiandoll 04.07.13 19:33

I am waiting for the person who heard Redwood talk about elimination of tapas 9 in his interview with tv to show me when and where, because I saw it and never heard anything of the sort, just talk of 38 people who were there at the time. The tapas lot might well have been eliminated, but contrary to what twitter is buzzing with, I do not think Redwood said that, but the media.
 As always I stand to be corrected!

  just on Sky, detectives have said that Kate and Gerry McCann are not on the list of 12 people of interest to them.

  That does not mention elimination. That is the conclusion some media are jumping to for a reason why not of interest.

  There could be a few reasons why at this point the parents are not of interest.
  One... the police know all they need to know for their investigation.
  They might be of interest at some time in the future
  unless they have been eliminated.
 The tapas friends not of interest, when 3 of them were in the vicinity of 5a prior to the child being "abducted "? Pull the other one.
 If the pals have been questioned and eliminated, they must have come up with the goods, or the Met are stupid or corrupt.
 

 as someone succinctly put it on twitter....big news, the investigators are investigating.

 It will all come out in the [ hopefully not white ] wash.

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Post by MRNOODLES 04.07.13 19:40

The news loop has just gone around on SSN.

Absolutely nothing about being eliminated, just that the McCanns are not the ones on the latest suspect list.
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Post by Newintown 04.07.13 19:42

russiandoll wrote:I am waiting for the person who heard Redwood talk about elimination of tapas 9 in his interview with tv to show me when and where, because I saw it and never heard anything of the sort, just talk of 38 people who were there at the time. The tapas lot might well have been eliminated, but contrary to what twitter is buzzing with, I do not think Redwood said that, but the media.
 As always I stand to be corrected!

That's what I believe I heard Redwood say, although it's 5 hours ago now and I don't have any recording equipment to record these interviews.  That's why I was so enraged when I heard the interview.   Graham Wettone, former MET police officer, actually said "the McCanns and their holidays friends are not under any suspicion".

So how would you interpret it?

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Post by Clouseau 04.07.13 19:43

Hi all

always looking in everyday

sorry to say Redwood defo said all the gang eliminated .....sky news at 5pm heard it with my own ears ......
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Post by plebgate 04.07.13 19:46

If they had already spoken to Tapas crew, then of course they would not be in the list of 38 persons of interest. I also would like to see a link of A. Redwood re. the eliminagtion comment.

Can anybody tell me why it would be standard practice to have a FLO wtih Mr. & Mrs?

Thanks for posting the link jd to the portugal crisis thread, was one of the first things I thought.

Please let someone from Portugal let us know what is happening with the libel trial.smilie 
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Post by Newintown 04.07.13 19:49

The official Madeleine site won't open up, the little blue circle just keeps going round and round.   I was going to check if they still have the donate buttons, all 4 of them, on there.

It's either been overloaded with thousands of insane people wishing to give their hard earned cash and it's crashed (thanks to Redwood and his "please keep looking for Madeleine" statement) or something else has happened to it.

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Post by Guest 04.07.13 19:49

In August 2007 the PJ said that the Mccanns were not suspects in relation to the disappearance of their daughter.

And then look what happened.
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Post by russiandoll 04.07.13 19:52

ok, thanks for that, I must have seen an edited interview.

 That is that then.
 Let us hope that they publish the results of their findings.


 I only hope that if the Met have done right in this elimination, that it is based on reliable evidence we have not seen.
 If they have done it for other reasons, shame on them.

 There will probably now be an attempt to close forums debating this case unless there is an agreement not to debate parental involvement.

 And I am not sure who has primacy in this case.. I would have thought still rests with Portugal. If they disagree on the new evidence, they could still refuse to reopen? Can the Met continue alone when the crime was committed abroad?
 My head is addled with this now.

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Post by plebgate 04.07.13 19:54

Thanks for looking if the donate buttons were still up Newintown. I don't see how anybody would donate now that the police are officially investigating.

Would they even be allowed to have PIs investigating now that the police have an ongoing investigation?


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Post by Guest 04.07.13 19:57

Newintown, the site certainly appears to be overloaded. I doubt whether there are many people still gullible enough to want to donate money or order old tat - it's more likely they're just wondering if today's news is mentioned there.
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Post by Clouseau 04.07.13 19:59

Just clicked and listened to sky news again and yes the reference to the gang being eliminated has been edited out....don't say anything until the mic is off Mr Redwood  big grin
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Post by sallypelt 04.07.13 20:00

Police probe new McCann leads


“We continue to believe that there is a possibility that Madeleine is alive,” Det. Chief Insp. Andy Redwood, head of the investigation, said in a release on Thursday.


Obviously we don’t think all 38 people were involved,” a police spokesman told the Star. Over the coming months assertive inquiries will eliminate some of those ,,"

The review of 30,500 documents “generated new findings and new witness evidence,” the Met Police said".

Again, it does not say that the "people of interest" are suspects, and “assertive inquiries” will eliminate some of those"

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Post by Guest 04.07.13 20:03

Clouseau wrote:Just clicked and listened to sky news again and yes the reference to the gang being eliminated has been edited out....don't say anything until the mic is off Mr Redwood  big grin

Well, they wouldn't edit out something Redwood actually said would they? Especially so significant, why would they. But they would edit out if it was a mistake by reporter??
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Post by MissesWillYa 04.07.13 20:07

Weirdly, I just logged into my Pandora account to listen to music, choosing a station called "Summer Hits of the 80's," and the first song they played was "Don't You Forget About Me" by Simple Minds. Wasn't this their theme song at some point, maybe during the LOOK campaign?
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Post by plebgate 04.07.13 20:08

I am staggered that this having been made public - persuasion to get Kitten Heels to agree to a review, not one comment from them or their spokesperson about how the review was achieved.



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Post by lj 04.07.13 20:13

nomendelta wrote:I don't understand how anyone here can put a positive spin on it.

Redwood says there is "no evidence" to suggest Maddie is dead...that then leads to encouraging us all to be vigilant and keep on looking for Maddie.

This is not a "well she might be, she might not" statement - we all know about the dogs, the blood and the cadaverine. For Redwood to state categorically that there is no proof that she is dead means that everything connected with the dogs has been discounted.

This looks more and more like a whitewash to me.

It is very unusual though - even though it's been 6 years since the abduction surely if there was any belief she was alive they'd be getting on with searching those 38 persons of interest?

If this had been a more current abduction there's no way police would be making announcements like that - they'd be vague and getting on with tracking her down.

I have no idea where this is all headed but I really doubt it's about getting the real culprits.

Totally agree, and it is not the first time he stated that. He is now taking all the non-McCan believers softly by the nose to LaLaland, where they 3 times daily have to listen to Kate and Gerry, who will teach them anything and everything. From swinging to child care, from Australian wine to where to buy the strawberries. If I am correct they'll invite Hyacinth Bucket for some classes about keeping up appearce, and the ghost of Savile wil teach a class on the wider agenda.

You all will be so enriched!

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Post by The Rooster 04.07.13 20:15

Point well made Candyfloss. I would like to know the definitive answer to this. Is it edited interviewer narrative or did Redwood say it. Clearly there's a big difference.

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Post by Clouseau 04.07.13 20:20

wow this is like the old days

he said it both myself and Mrs Clouseau heard it , now I cant post a link because its not there I am sure somebody will post it in the near future we are 103% certain .
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Post by lj 04.07.13 20:21

MaryB wrote:Seems a very strange investigation indeed if the police do not want to re-interiew those very people who were among the very last to see Madeleine alive.  Still it's SY.  They must know what they're doing.

Yep, that's what they are counting on.

Just as the pathetic parents count on the fact that 2 doctors could not be involved in the disappearance of their "beloved" daughter.

Keeping up appearances, it's a tv hit again.

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Post by lj 04.07.13 20:27

aiyoyo wrote:One has to ask what the CPS hope to get when they submit the International Letter of Request for "evidence" from Portuguese to help their line of inquiry.

If the Portuguese should deny CPS their request (just like the UK authorities denied Portuguese' request for credit cards and medical records), what are the Review Team/CPS going to do?   Surely MPS would become a joke if they were to close the review after having prolonged it only to announce Portuguese denied them access to evidence, so end of the road!

Just ask yourself why the Portuguese should or would oblige the CPS or the UK Government just to satisfy MET whitewash (if that is the objective)?

I don't think Portugal cares a flying fück if they are whitewashed or not. It's Britain's problem now, good luck with that. I just hope that if they give any of the files that were not open yet, to SY that those also be made public, so anyone can judge our conning couple as the pathetic parents, lying f #### ng tossers they are.

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Post by Kepharel 04.07.13 20:30

I don’t do current news as a rule, and I can offer nothing new, but as many do on this post I can only express my utter incredulity at this news.  Taken at face value it is a skin crawling announcement, a very personal mental violation of my sensibilities to have to hear.  On top of that, I have no clue why the MET are saying what they are saying.  In a case that they say could possibly never be solved they are certain of one thing at least, and that is the innocence of the TAPAS 9 in this entire tragic affair.  The very public raspberry being blown at the vast numbers of the public who believe otherwise is being expressed with the ‘negative’ positive, if you will, that they don’t have a case to answer.
 
Why would they do such a thing?  Three reasons come to mind:
 

  1. They now know that they will never solve the case, but can’t bring themselves to say so.  They want it to go away and for everyone to get on with their lives, including the McCanns, however much it might gall people.  After months more of deliberation they will accept the PJ’s conclusion of unproveability (if that's a word), but with the caveat that the PJ arrived at the same answer, but for the wrong reasons.
  2. This is a whitewash pure and simple, and perhaps, just for once the lightning rod of conspiracy theory really has been struck.  Many of those around now will have long been pensioned off, and probably met their maker by then.  Hopefully, in their case it will be the bloke downstairs.  So in that sense it is a get out of jail card for all the guilty including those who have been protected.
  3. There is evidence in this case that trumps any measures of doubt that believers in Madeleine’s death and those likely responsible can throw at it.  Something we just don’t know.  If it can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt then it a foul tasting medicine that I and others like me are just going to have to swallow.

 
Of the three, I’d go for option 1, unless anyone comes along with something better.  Unless of course option 3 brings back Madeleine alive, now that would be a result. Anyhow, where’s that dartboard and a new photo of the McCanns smiling in all their glory.
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Post by sallypelt 04.07.13 20:38

Good to see Clarence is tweeting again spin 

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Post by lj 04.07.13 20:47

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russiandoll wrote:I am waiting for the person who heard Redwood talk about elimination of tapas 9 in his interview with tv to show me when and where, because I saw it and never heard anything of the sort, just talk of 38 people who were there at the time. The tapas lot might well have been eliminated, but contrary to what twitter is buzzing with, I do not think Redwood said that, but the media.
 As always I stand to be corrected!

That's what I believe I heard Redwood say, although it's 5 hours ago now and I don't have any recording equipment to record these interviews.  That's why I was so enraged when I heard the interview.   Graham Wettone, former MET police officer, actually said "the McCanns and their holidays friends are not under any suspicion".

So how would you interpret it?

Just as expected: the rules were on forehand that they could investigate anyone, except for the McCanns. They were not ruled out, they were never investigated.

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Post by Woofer 04.07.13 20:48

Why did we all get excited about our CPS going to Portugal in April?  We all discussed reasons why the two head honchos of the CPS might do this.  And it turns out they only went there to take a letter of request.  Unbelievable!
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