Re: SY ANNOUNCEMENT 2pm 4/7/13

by Pershing36 04.07.13 20:50

candyfloss wrote:
russiandoll wrote:Merely was saying what I read and heard. Third party references to eliminations which were not in anything I read or heard directly from DCI Redwood.
It might well be the case that the 9 are not of interest, or were of interest and have been eliminated, it is the case that I did not hear this in anything I saw of Redwood speaking.

Did Andy Redwood actually say this or did the reporter say he said it. Big difference.

Just wish I could find a direct quote to it. All I can find is this from the ITV but not a direct quote from Andy Redwood, yet there are direct quotes from him in the piece but this is not...

They have ruled out any involvement of Kate and Gerry McCann or the seven friends who were holidaying with them.

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That is what has been said and came up in big words on the TV. Like it or not that is what was reported. It was the only statement that was highlighted and I feel was the whole purpose of the news report.

1. We have 38 persons of interest.
2. Involvement from the parents or friends has been ruled out
3. They believe she could well be alive, or sadly dead.

Ask yourselves whatever side of the fence you are on. Which part of that was not known weeks ago and was such a story it took the prime slot on the news?

by Woofer 04.07.13 20:59

I don`t think SY have an ulterior motive for saying the Tapas 9 are not suspects - when have they ever done this in any other murder case? Perhaps someone can quote a case when the police have said their main suspects are not suspects just to lull said suspects into a false sense of having got away with it. They are having to clear the McCanns because they hold all the cards IMO.

They are home and dry. There is only one reason why there would be such a monumentous cover-up and thats because someone extremely high profile is involved.

by Woofer 04.07.13 21:13

Did anyone ever find out what Steel Magnolia found out from an officer at SY that made her say it was all pointless?

Does Joana Morais know something and that`s why she has given up posting?

by sheila.edwards 04.07.13 21:15

well 3 PMS so far Blair, Brown,Cameron and foreign office all involved in case! spin

still

by tasprin 04.07.13 21:22

It really is no different from last years announcement when SY said they had 195 leads. It's now down to 38 and SY say they are only one-third to halfway through their investigation. If SY continue at the same pace it means another 2 - 4 years before it is completed. I too heard Redwood say in an interview that the tapas nine had been eliminated and I agree with those who say it was agreed from the beginning of this review (by the powers that be) that the McCanns and their friends would never be questioned or investigated. This is a whitewash, but why they're covering up the death of a child is a mystery. What impact will this have on Amaral's libel case? IMO, this latest announcement has come just in time to scupper the trial. Maybe it was planned that way. Whatever the truth, this whole case stinks to high heaven - never seen anything like it.

Eta - I wonder if the McCanns will be able to call anyone from SY to testify that they've been 'eliminated' by the UK police - Redwood could volunteer.

by roy rovers 04.07.13 21:31

Maybe DCI Redwood said 'there is no guarantee of any outcome' because he knows how important it is to thoroughly investigate the 38 and close the net carefully.

by sallypelt 04.07.13 21:35

The former head of the National Police Improvement Agency Peter Neyroud said it was a difficult investigation because it involved two countries, possibly more
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"It was always going to be an expensive inquiry and it is a fine judgement as to how far you go on but if, as appears, there are fresh lines of inquiry and a case worth pursuing, there is a young lady out there who deserves to be reunited with her parents - [or a murder case that deserves to be pursued

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by Guest 04.07.13 21:37

Just a thought.............

Isn't telling the world that they have 38 people of interest likely to put the wind up one of them if in fact they were the 'abductor' Surely, if these people haven't been interviewed before, and one of these was the abductor, they would now be put on alert and may do a runner or even worse put Madeleine in danger?

by tasprin 04.07.13 21:40

roy rovers wrote:Maybe DCI Redwood said 'there is no guarantee of any outcome' because he knows how important it is to thoroughly investigate the 38 and close the net carefully.

Last year SY said they could solve the case, now they're saying there are no guarantees. I suppose they'll scout around for a credible answer to the dilemma and if they can't manage to come up with something that people believe they'll resort to abduction by person/s unknown, but hey, they spent millions and did their best to solve it. Case closed.

by lufc50337 04.07.13 21:50

Woofer wrote:Did anyone ever find out what Steel Magnolia found out from an officer at SY that made her say it was all pointless?

Does Joana Morais know something and that`s why she has given up posting?

Whatever it is it must be big because nobody dare voice it, not even people who have worked tirelessly for justice for M

by Cheshire Cat 04.07.13 21:53

tasprin wrote:It really is no different from last years announcement when SY said they had 195 leads. It's now down to 38 and SY say they are only one-third to halfway through their investigation. If SY continue at the same pace it means another 2 - 4 years before it is completed. I too heard Redwood say in an interview that the tapas nine had been eliminated and I agree with those who say it was agreed from the beginning of this review (by the powers that be) that the McCanns and their friends would never be questioned or investigated. This is a whitewash, but why they're covering up the death of a child is a mystery. What impact will this have on Amaral's libel case? IMO, this latest announcement has come just in time to scupper the trial. Maybe it was planned that way. Whatever the truth, this whole case stinks to high heaven - never seen anything like it.

Eta - I wonder if the McCanns will be able to call anyone from SY to testify that they've been 'eliminated' by the UK police - Redwood could volunteer.

Totally agree. And as this is all about PR they feed a few bones to keep people clinging to the hope that the Met really mean business. I also think it is about building up resistance should Amaral win the libel case. Limits the damage from his book.

by Pershing36 04.07.13 21:56

tasprin wrote:
roy rovers wrote:Maybe DCI Redwood said 'there is no guarantee of any outcome' because he knows how important it is to thoroughly investigate the 38 and close the net carefully.

Last year SY said they could solve the case, now they're saying there are no guarantees. I suppose they'll scout around for a credible answer to the dilemma and if they can't manage to come up with something that people believe they'll resort to abduction by person/s unknown, but hey, they spent millions and did their best to solve it. Case closed.

Exactly my beliefs.

Expecting anything out of it now is clutching at straws. They have said it time and time again, they are working on theory she was abducted and may still be alive.

There was no new news today, this has been reported weeks ago. For some reason SY went on record today and grabbed prime time news.

The purpose in my mind was the statement plastered over the TV in bold letters. 'They have ruled out any involvement by the parents or friends'.

Ok, even if the news reporters went off on their own and made that statement. Why did Redwood re-iterate again they think there is still a chance she is alive.

The right things, said at the right time for upcoming trials.

by sheila.edwards 04.07.13 22:03

tasprin wrote:

Last year SY said they could solve the case, now they're saying there are no guarantees. I suppose they'll scout around for a credible answer to the dilemma and if they can't manage to come up with something that people believe they'll resort to abduction by person/s unknown, but hey, they spent millions and did their best to solve it. Case closed.

looks as if sadly, this is ongoing plan. no case, no Scandals spin

no media whilst solving 38 persons of interest with more millions:spin:

by Guest 04.07.13 22:06

[quote="Pershing36" ][...]

The purpose in my mind was the statement plastered over the TV in bold letters. 'They have ruled out any involvement by the parents or friends'. [...].[/quote]
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O.K. Call me stupid. And I've been working very hard to catch up with the previous 20-30's of pages. But I have yet to see a quote like that from New Scotland Yard

by lufc50337 04.07.13 22:07

Was it said on TV McCanns and Tapas 7 not suspects? because its not in the official press release

by Guest 04.07.13 22:08

Looks like many have this on front page as expected

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by Pershing36 04.07.13 22:12

Châtelaine wrote:
Pershing36 wrote:[...]

The purpose in my mind was the statement plastered over the TV in bold letters. 'They have ruled out any involvement by the parents or friends'. [...].
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O.K. Call me stupid. And I've been working very hard to catch up with the previous 20-30's of pages. But I have yet to see a quote like that from New Scotland Yard

Just said again on the news at 10 ITV second story.

Also put into a little box on the left hand side of the screen with a picture of Maddy. 'Detectives have completely ruled out any involvement of the parents or the 7 friends'.

by lufc50337 04.07.13 22:15

Is anybody in contact with Joana?

by Newintown 04.07.13 22:16

Châtelaine wrote:
Pershing36 wrote:[...]

The purpose in my mind was the statement plastered over the TV in bold letters. 'They have ruled out any involvement by the parents or friends'. [...].
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O.K. Call me stupid. And I've been working very hard to catch up with the previous 20-30's of pages. But I have yet to see a quote like that from New Scotland Yard

There is no official quote including those words from SY but a few members on here including myself heard Redwood say it, it was also backed up by Graham Wettone, former MET police officer at 3.30 p.m. on Sky News that the McCanns and their holiday friends are not under any suspicion.

The Redwood interview has been cut down and that statement has now been taken out.

by Guest 04.07.13 22:17

Pershing36 wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:
Pershing36 wrote:[...]

The purpose in my mind was the statement plastered over the TV in bold letters. 'They have ruled out any involvement by the parents or friends'. [...].
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O.K. Call me stupid. And I've been working very hard to catch up with the previous 20-30's of pages. But I have yet to see a quote like that from New Scotland Yard

Just said again on the news at 10 ITV second story.

Also put into a little box on the left hand side of the screen with a picture of Maddy. 'Detectives have completely ruled out any involvement of the parents or the 7 friends'.

But did Andy Redwood actually say it or reporter of the news item?

by russiandoll 04.07.13 22:17

first the tabloids are printing trash as usual Redwood said he genuinely believed Maddie MAY be alive. Without a body, what else can he say?
The police are not saying and have never said that she is alive. Until they find her how can they make that claim?

Pershing, again I have read and seen repeatedly what media are saying and putting on the screen. This is reported, not directly coming from the man in charge. I am still looking for a link to Redwood saying that the gang are eliminated.

by Woofer 04.07.13 22:21

Châtelaine wrote:
Pershing36 wrote:[...]

The purpose in my mind was the statement plastered over the TV in bold letters. 'They have ruled out any involvement by the parents or friends'. [...].
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O.K. Call me stupid. And I've been working very hard to catch up with the previous 20-30's of pages. But I have yet to see a quote like that from New Scotland Yard

The MET statement doesn`t say it, only that they remain in close contact with Kate and Gerry.

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Yet all the News items say SY have confirmed that K&G are not suspects, even in this piece on Radio 4 PM programme - Eddie Mair interviewed Danny Shaw and Mark Williams-Thomas -

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by Guest 04.07.13 22:24

He said [non verbatim] that whilst there is no conclusive evidence she's dead [meaning IMO the dogs cannot say WHO died in the apartment], she may be alive.

Good gracious! Have a look at their formal statement and recognise how careful they phrase themselves. As they should! They're professionals. They hold their cards to their chest. If they didn't, no serious crime would ever be solved. They know [they know ...]. Hat-tip to PeterMac yes

by Pershing36 04.07.13 22:25

candyfloss wrote:
Pershing36 wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:
Pershing36 wrote:[...]

The purpose in my mind was the statement plastered over the TV in bold letters. 'They have ruled out any involvement by the parents or friends'. [...].
***
O.K. Call me stupid. And I've been working very hard to catch up with the previous 20-30's of pages. But I have yet to see a quote like that from New Scotland Yard

Just said again on the news at 10 ITV second story.

Also put into a little box on the left hand side of the screen with a picture of Maddy. 'Detectives have completely ruled out any involvement of the parents or the 7 friends'.

But did Andy Redwood actually say it or reporter of the news item?

Redwood's statement has been cut down. However either he or somebody else said it earlier as on every channel and news report is quoting 'Detectives have completely ruled out any involvement of the parents or the 7 friends'.

The leads/persons of interest are now focused on 38 new people.
12 British
2 from other European countries
The rest from Portugal.

That says it all for me really.

by russiandoll 04.07.13 22:35

woofer I can't copy the small snippet I needed for this reply......re the use of the word suspect by the media. Just shows how they do not care for accuracy but for a story which will get an audience. The Met today never once used that word, the persons listed are persons of interest.

by sheila.edwards 04.07.13 22:38

how can express say its a madeleine breakthrough, its not for her shes still missing ! there is no suspects from what I gathered so no arrests for now!They must think fund is not fraud or it would be closed down now I assume! parents wider family not suspected and family liason support being put back in !

by MikeyB 04.07.13 22:38

I wonder why PeterMac hasn't made any comment yet?

by Guest 04.07.13 22:42

I really do think we should not take any notice of the way the media are spinning this. Listen to the interviews and look at the Met police statement, the rest is spin

by russiandoll 04.07.13 22:42

sheila.edwards wrote:how can express say its a madeleine breakthrough, its not for her shes still missing !

The news channels are reporting that this is not a breakthrough.
As far as I am aware a person of interest is someone who can assist the investigation.

Stick to the statement. Regardless of reporting, innuendo and inferences, those are the words that matter.

If it turns out that the tapas group have not been questioned yet and will not be questioned then that is scandalous beyond words.
It will mean a cover up of something huge if a missing child is of secondary importance. Someone big being protected because of something rotten to the core.

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