Re: Missing Tia Sharp

by Spaniel Tue 07 Aug 2012, 10:34 pm

HAVEYOUFEDTHECAT wrote:Good to join this forum... rather saddened by the Tia Sharp case.. I have joined the Facebook Group find Tia which is kind of interesting to watch things unfold, but I have a growing feeling of unease that this situation is not going to end well. What I find majorly worrying is that there are no definite sightings of Tia after she left the house. No CCTV and the fact that she didn't take her mobile phone with her. A thirty seven year old Grandfather.. one wonders at the family background. My daughter in-law is a copper and "the golden hour" after a child's disappearance is very important... well the golden hour has now turned into five long days. I suspect the conclusion to this case will be found close to the family sadly..

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I feel that the suspect in the Tia case is so strong that they are not looking for a live child, and apart from going through the motions, never were.

by HAVEYOUFEDTHECAT Tue 07 Aug 2012, 11:43 pm

Thank you for the welcome Spaniel... I have now left the Tia Facebook Group... There seems to be a lot of infighting going in the group. It also seems that some people are looking up new members' profiles and finding out how long they have been on facebook et al. I am also noticing that if anyone doesn't toe the party line i.e. asking some prudent questions then they are shot down in flames by the admins.. all very strange.

Its a shame because a lot of good folk have been out putting up posters... I do however wonder from your comment that the police privately think they are now looking for a body and not a live child... One desperately hopes this is not so but I fear that this is what will come to pass in the hours ahead.

by Guest Wed 08 Aug 2012, 12:03 am

Châtelaine wrote:Send in the dogs ...

ETA a 37-year-old GRANDdad?

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This is what I said yesterday.
I'm afraid we're going to have bad news.
And it's inner circle perpetrator. IMO, of course.

Someone's the last one to see her.
She hasn't since been seen on any CTV
She left her cellphone
She alledgedly only had GBP 10 for bus and buying shoes
She's [was] 12 and has never done the traject alone before
And she's missing :-(

by **tigger** Wed 08 Aug 2012, 5:58 am

sharonl wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
sharonl wrote:In the case of a missing child the police are involved, is it really a good idea to interfere by creating such publicity?
It would be very interesting to know to what extent the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) was consulted when Missing People was set up - and to what extent there is close co-operation between ACPO and Missing People e.g. do Missing People consult with the police about which missing people/children are publicised by all their fancy digital networking?

Excellent point Tony

I wonder if we could request that information under the FOI act.

What a good idea. This would apply to such charities as PACT as well? For if a child is taken away by one parent without the consent of the other parent, it must be a police matter.
I understand that many small charities operate in large cities and especially London to save youngsters from prostitution and crime. These work with the police to give them details of children they're protecting. Then there are church organisations and of course the Salvation Army.
So how do charities such as missing people and Pact get in on the act?
The 'mechanics' are complicated imo. I would like to see a detailed account how a 'lost' person is traced, found and re-united. Setting up a website, posting a few pictures on it (the poster campaign is a one-off) and employing some 43 people for fundraising and appearing on suitable tv programmes isn't going to get a disgruntled teenager home. Imo of course.

by Gillyspot Wed 08 Aug 2012, 7:25 am

From the Telegraph this morning.

"Stuart Hazell, 37, is the partner of 12–year–old Tia Sharp's maternal grandmother, Christine, and was the last member of the family to see her.
There are conflicting reports about whether he last saw her at the house he shares with her grandmother in New Addington, south London, or whether he walked her to a local tram station. Hazell has lived with Mrs Sharp, 46, for about four years, having previously dated her daughter, Tia's 31–year–old mother Natalie Sharp.
Hazell was jailed for 12 months in 2010 at Croydon Crown Court after being caught with a machete. His father, Keith, confirmed that his son had been in prison but said that since meeting Mrs Sharp he had turned his life around. "Having the family around has really sorted him out," he said.
"He is a different person and is really happy. He had a biological daughter but has never really seen her. He treated Tia like his own."
Tia spent every weekend with her grandmother and Hazell. On Friday, Mrs Sharp, a care worker, went to work and had left Tia in her partner's care."

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I can only hope that Hazell has turned himself around sad

by **PeterMac** Wed 08 Aug 2012, 7:53 am

Gillyspot wrote:From the Telegraph this morning.

"Stuart Hazell, 37, is the partner of 12–year–old Tia Sharp's maternal grandmother, Christine, and was the last member of the family to see her.
There are conflicting reports about whether he last saw her at the house he shares with her grandmother in New Addington, south London, or whether he walked her to a local tram station. Hazell has lived with Mrs Sharp, 46, for about four years, having previously dated her daughter, Tia's 31–year–old mother Natalie Sharp.
Hazell was jailed for 12 months in 2010 at Croydon Crown Court after being caught with a machete. His father, Keith, confirmed that his son had been in prison but said that since meeting Mrs Sharp he had turned his life around. "Having the family around has really sorted him out," he said.
"He is a different person and is really happy. He had a biological daughter but has never really seen her. He treated Tia like his own."
Tia spent every weekend with her grandmother and Hazell. On Friday, Mrs Sharp, a care worker, went to work and had left Tia in her partner's care."

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I can only hope that Hazell has turned himself around

Chilling.
"He treated Tia like his own". Like his own "what' ?
He has a daughter who he has never really seen - nor probably for whom he makes proper financial provision.
He "dated' the daughter, and now lives with the mother, and has access every weekend to the granddaughter.
Grandmother is 46, mother is 31, so do the maths on that. Was anyone ever prosecuted ?

Chilling, as I say, but fairly standard amongst the underclass of today.

by **Tony Bennett** Wed 08 Aug 2012, 7:53 am

Gillyspot wrote:From the Telegraph this morning.

Hazell was jailed for 12 months in 2010 at Croydon Crown Court after being caught with a machete. His father, Keith, confirmed that his son had been in prison...

The maximum sentence for this crime is 4 years:

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by **Tony Bennett** Wed 08 Aug 2012, 7:56 am

PeterMac wrote:Grandmother is 46, mother is 31, so do the maths on that...

...and is 'a care worker'

by **Nina** Wed 08 Aug 2012, 8:26 am

Tony Bennett wrote:
PeterMac wrote:Grandmother is 46, mother is 31, so do the maths on that...
...and is 'a care worker'

Oh dear.

by Guest Wed 08 Aug 2012, 8:32 am

15 is quite old to have a baby by today's standards!

I am wondering if Tia could be hiding out somewhere for whatever reason, never thinking it would turn into a major news story and is now too frightened to reappear.

by Julchen Wed 08 Aug 2012, 8:52 am

Extract from DailyMail:

...They plan to quiz convicted drug-dealer
Stuart Hazell, the last person known to have seen the 12-year-old,
following claims he walked her to a tram stop.....She was at the house with Mr Hazell, her
grandmother’s boyfriend of five years, who has served time in prison for
possession of a machete and dealing crack cocaine.... In 2003 he was jailed for two years and
ten months for supplying crack cocaine after a sting by undercover
police. In 2010 he was jailed for a year for possession of a machete.

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And another thought I had last night:
Nobody has seen her leave her granny's house. Has anybody seen her go there in the first place? Maybe she never left her family home. There is only the "granddad's" word for here having actually been at his place.... [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Jule

by ShuBob Wed 08 Aug 2012, 9:54 am

I'm afraid history will show that the answer lies within the family.

Another point, I note with interest that the personal details of family members are now been published whole scale by the press. This is in contrast to the treatment of the doctors McCann. Oh to have friends in high places [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by **Tony Bennett** Wed 08 Aug 2012, 10:07 am

Julchen wrote:Extract from DailyMail:

...They plan to quiz convicted drug-dealer Stuart Hazell, the last person known to have seen the 12-year-old, following claims he walked her to a tram stop...She was at the house with Mr Hazell, her grandmother’s boyfriend of five years, who has served time in prison for possession of a machete and dealing crack cocaine...In 2003 he was jailed for two years and ten months for supplying crack cocaine after a sting by undercover police. In 2010 he was jailed for a year for possession of a machete.

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And another thought I had last night:

Nobody has seen her leave her granny's house. Has anybody seen her go there in the first place? Maybe she never left her family home. There is only the 'granddad's' word for here having actually been at his place...

Jule

That's not correct. According to press reports, his partner, Tia's real grandmother, vouched for Tia being at home on the Friday morning, as she left to go to work as 'a care worker'.

We mustn't be too harsh on Hazell. He may be have been a crack cocaine dealer, and have carried a machete around...but his family say he has 'turned his life around', and, as if to prove the point, when his partner goes to work, he vaccuums round the house...

by russiandoll Wed 08 Aug 2012, 10:33 am

from the same piece I quoted yesterday, Telegraph 7th August. Jane Harry the grandmother's neighbour who says that she saw Tia around midday dressed in the top and leggings described, also stated twice that the girl was at the grandmother's house all week, contradicting the statements about the weekends being regularly spent there. The newspapers and other media giving out contradictory information are causing a lot of confusion and therefore speculation in the absence of facts.

She added: "I saw her on Friday. She was here all last week playing along here with the kids, mucking in and riding bikes.

"She is the same age as my son Jake. She was here all last week playing in the street with a group of other kids, they were all happy and riding their bikes and they seemed fine.

by **Tony Bennett** Wed 08 Aug 2012, 10:36 am

russiandoll wrote: from the same piece I quoted yesterday, Telegraph 7th August. Jane Harry the grandmother's neighbour who says that she saw Tia around midday dressed in the top and leggings described, also stated twice that the girl was at the grandmother's house all week, contradicting the statements about the weekends being regularly spent there

She added: "I saw her on Friday. She was here all last week playing along here with the kids, mucking in and riding bikes.

"She is the same age as my son Jake. She was here all last week playing in the street with a group of other kids, they were all happy and riding their bikes and they seemed fine.

We all need to be very very careful. Accumulating contradictions, as we are now doing on this thread, could be construed as libel

by bobbin Wed 08 Aug 2012, 10:39 am

Tony Bennett wrote:
Julchen wrote:Extract from DailyMail:

...They plan to quiz convicted drug-dealer Stuart Hazell, the last person known to have seen the 12-year-old, following claims he walked her to a tram stop...She was at the house with Mr Hazell, her grandmother’s boyfriend of five years, who has served time in prison for possession of a machete and dealing crack cocaine...In 2003 he was jailed for two years and ten months for supplying crack cocaine after a sting by undercover police. In 2010 he was jailed for a year for possession of a machete.

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And another thought I had last night:

Nobody has seen her leave her granny's house. Has anybody seen her go there in the first place? Maybe she never left her family home. There is only the 'granddad's' word for here having actually been at his place...

Jule
That's not correct. According to press reports, his partner, Tia's real grandmother, vouched for Tia being at home on the Friday morning, as she left to go to work as 'a care worker'.

We mustn't be too harsh on Hazell. He may be have been a crack cocaine dealer, and have carried a machete around...but his family say he has 'turned his life around', and, as if to prove the point, when his partner goes to work, he vaccuums round the house...

True Tony, one must appreciate that if his life has turned round, he vaccuums while his partner is out at work.

by russiandoll Wed 08 Aug 2012, 10:40 am

Point taken, I will alter my comment as I did not mean to imply that the family were lying, just that the report quoted contradicted what was in other newspapers. It is the media causing the problem of confusion is what I meant, so will amend my post.
Thanks Tony.

p.s. might it also be more sensible to refrain from innuendo about the grandmother's partner which I have read more than once on this thread?

by Guest Wed 08 Aug 2012, 10:42 am

Tony Bennett wrote:
russiandoll wrote: from the same piece I quoted yesterday, Telegraph 7th August. Jane Harry the grandmother's neighbour who says that she saw Tia around midday dressed in the top and leggings described, also stated twice that the girl was at the grandmother's house all week, contradicting the statements about the weekends being regularly spent there

She added: "I saw her on Friday. She was here all last week playing along here with the kids, mucking in and riding bikes.

"She is the same age as my son Jake. She was here all last week playing in the street with a group of other kids, they were all happy and riding their bikes and they seemed fine.
We all need to be very very careful. Accumulating contradictions, as we are now doing on this thread, could be construed as libel

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by ShuBob Wed 08 Aug 2012, 10:50 am

I don't think it's libel to say I believe history will show that the answers lie within the family. I'm simply relying on statistical facts to make my claim. I have singled no one out.

by russiandoll Wed 08 Aug 2012, 10:52 am

ok a lot of us have noticed contradictions and if noting them down as a few people have done is a potential problem, because I do not know the law I think it best to leave this topic alone. Will wait to see how it all progresses and resolves, hopefully well for this young girl but I fear a sad ending, can't but agree with the 2 former senior detectives who believe the answer lies in the locality. I hope to be proved wrong and that this girl on the brink of her teenage years is found safe and well . I hope to hear she has run off for some reason, is hiding and that the glare of publicity has scared her from coming forward.

by OpenMind Wed 08 Aug 2012, 10:55 am

Have been following this with great interest and have also seen some parallels to the MBM case in the early days. Quite possible that these desperate people believe that if that's how K&GM behaved, that's what should be done (with regard to t-shirts and candle-lit vigils ~ and quite agree is too early for that!)

One thing that leapt out at me today is the revellation that the "grandad", who is the partner of the maternal grandmother, used to be the "dad" when he was the partner of the mother. Aside from the machete wielding and crack cocaine dealing, that is some wierd set up for a young girl to get her head round.

Hoping she is found very soon but gut feeling is that even an angst ridden 12 year old could not fail to turn up amidst all the media exposure and searching.

by ShuBob Wed 08 Aug 2012, 10:59 am

Why the police are allowing the media to print certain personal information relating to the family history in an active investigation is a mystery to me. They are fueling the innuendo.

by **Tony Bennett** Wed 08 Aug 2012, 11:22 am

ShuBob wrote:Why the police are allowing the media to print certain personal information relating to the family history in an active investigation is a mystery to me. They are fueling the innuendo.

Possibly because it may help and prompt people to come forward with relevant information. But it must be accurate and fair - look what happened to Joanna Yeates' landlord

by ShuBob Wed 08 Aug 2012, 11:29 am

Tony Bennett wrote:
ShuBob wrote:Why the police are allowing the media to print certain personal information relating to the family history in an active investigation is a mystery to me. They are fueling the innuendo.
Possibly because it may help and prompt people to come forward with relevant information. But it must be accurate and fair - look what happened to Joanna Yeates' landlord

It would appear they have learnt nothing from the Yeates case with all the personal information about certain family members being churned out on a daily basis.

by ProfessorPPlum Wed 08 Aug 2012, 12:33 pm

Post deleted - no need for the bad language and also be careful about comparing people, this could be libellous. Thank you

by justme3 Wed 08 Aug 2012, 1:08 pm

"Hazell was jailed for 12 months in 2010 at Croydon Crown Court after being caught with a machete. His father, Keith, confirmed that his son had been in prison but said that since meeting Mrs Sharp he had turned his life around. "Having the family around has really sorted him out," he said.

This really makes my blood boil. Why do so many people in this country put their desires to jump into bed with the first person who comes along, before the safety of their children? I don't know if the grandmother's partner has any involvement with the disappearance of Tia or not, but Tia should NEVER have been put in such a situation in the first place. All the warning signs were there, and anyone with an ounce of sense wouldn't have left him within 100 miles of a 12 year old.

Rant over!!!

by Guest Wed 08 Aug 2012, 1:17 pm

Police are searching the grandmother's home, snipped from Sky news...........

Tia Sharp: Police Search Grandmother's House

A police dog team are searching Tia Sharp's grandmother's house as the hunt for the missing schoolgirl continues.

In the last hour, two officers with a police search dog entered the home.

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by Guest Wed 08 Aug 2012, 1:26 pm

martinbrunt‏@skymartinbrunt
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Detectives are searching a garage in a block close to Tia's gran's home

martinbrunt‏@skymartinbrunt

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Family members have left the house while the police dog and handlers carry out search.

by **Tony Bennett** Wed 08 Aug 2012, 1:35 pm

I think we should have an urgent comment from the AMBASSADOR FOR MISSING CHILDREN on the police decision to call in those 'incredibly unreliable' [quote: Dr Gerald McCann] police sniffer dogs in the search for missing Tia Sharp