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I hope I am wrong, and the review won't be a whitewash.. but I no longer trust the British.

After the release of the second forensic report, which conclusions were quite at the opposite of the first one, I understood that the British didn't want the truth out. Why should it be different now? They have made obstruction to the Portuguese investigation right from the start, why cooperate now?

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Post by Guest 16.10.11 13:33

aiyoyo wrote:
Stella wrote:I have a funny feeling that a few influential people have blackened Tony's name with the Portuguese Judiciary. I sensed that whilst over at MCF's.

That's impossible b/c if the PJ believed Madeleine is dead, then someone like TB campaigning for the truth cannot ever be in the black book of the PJ. The PJ would understand that a proactive campaigner like TB would doubtless get the full brunt of team mccanns or whoever those influential be who are abetting the mccanns in their cover up.
I really hope you right aiyoyo, but as we already know, Tony's post were never very welcome on MCF's.
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Post by Guest 16.10.11 13:41

Maive wrote:Hi everybody!


My first post here! But I read you since a long time (with MM forum). I agree with all of you, this case is sooooo fishy.. But I wanted to respond to this one:

AskTheDogsSandra wrote:I agree, Stella. The only way to get this case reopened is to approach the Portuguese because we all know the Brits are supporting the McCanns to get them permanently off the hook at the taxpayers expense, which will give the McC's the green light to carry on their Fund indefinitely.

I 100% agree with that, only the Portuguese can do something about this case. I am not a big fan of the SY review; IMO, their actions, words, the link with DC (and his relation to the MC) are too much suspicious..

But the problem is IMO, the Portuguese can't do nothing without the help of the British. The evidence in this case are almost all from Britain (forensics, phone records, credit cards records, witnesses (Tapas 7), medical records, fraudulent fund, etc..). So the Portuguese are stuck, they can't do nothing without evidence, and the British have stopped their cooperation somewhere (IMO before the delivery of the second forensic report, which was «inconclusive»).

By a miracle, if the SY review is genuine and they come forward with all the evidence, then the Portuguese could bring that evil couple in a court of law. But I doubt that the SY review is a genuine one..

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welcome2 Maive and what an excellent first post.

The thing is, we have some excellent leads that we need to show the Portuguese, but how we go about that, we just don't know. Many of us have forward evidence directly onto SY, but we will have no way of knowing if that will ever be conveyed to the PJ.

Kiko will hopefully get an opportunity to see Ana Paula Rito soon with some potentially very serious discrepencies. But for the rest of us here in the UK, that will be a step to far. What we could do with is an email address to Ana's office, perhaps only given to Tony, so that we can forward information onto him to pass onto Ana. :please:
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Post by Jill Havern 16.10.11 14:18

Tony has Goncalo's email address...why not contact him?

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Post by kikoraton 17.10.11 15:11

I sent Sr Amaral an email once, get'em - but like so many others, he didn't respond.
That was a long time ago. I'm not saying I wouldn't try again, or try to obtain a (re)introduction to him, but I suspect he is so wedded to his theory of accidental death on 3 May, that he wouldn't be interested. But maybe he'd listen.
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Post by Guest 17.10.11 19:28

Get 'em Gonçalo wrote:Tony has Goncalo's email address...why not contact him?
Thanks Get'em, but what I think we need, is someone who still has access to all the original evidence.

We need to convince Ana Paula Rito to allow a company who specialises in the latest handwriting analysis software, to re-examine the original creche sheets. This is where they will get their new piece of evidence from to reopen the case.

They have the originals and this is the key to Pandora's box.

Kiko thinking I have an idea..

Send by email the photo you have of the substitute girl to Ana and ask her to compare it to the photos they must have on file, taken of Madeleine during that holiday? That's if they have any of course. winkwink
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Post by HFS 19.10.11 23:37

Stella wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
Stella wrote:I have a funny feeling that a few influential people have blackened Tony's name with the Portuguese Judiciary. I sensed that whilst over at MCF's.

That's impossible b/c if the PJ believed Madeleine is dead, then someone like TB campaigning for the truth cannot ever be in the black book of the PJ. The PJ would understand that a proactive campaigner like TB would doubtless get the full brunt of team mccanns or whoever those influential be who are abetting the mccanns in their cover up.
I really hope you right aiyoyo, but as we already know, Tony's post were never very welcome on MCF's.

Like I've said (I think) I took a long break from the forums, but this I remember.
Surely Gonçalo still has his contacts and could pass on information or ask someone to get in touch with people over here?
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Post by happychick 20.10.11 0:02

Hi HFS, I also think Snr Amaral would be pleased to help. I get the impression he wants this case solved as much as anyone.
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Post by kikoraton 20.10.11 1:46

I emailed him today. Let's hope we can give him some encouragement.
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Post by aiyoyo 20.10.11 21:15

kikoraton wrote:I emailed him today. Let's hope we can give him some encouragement.

It depends on two things: how strong evidence PJ had of May3rd death - reliability of witness account of sighting of Maddie on May3rd, and Kikoraton's professional track records as 'communications and data analyst' in order that the PJ will afford her theory credibility.

Amaral is no longer with the PJ so the best way would probably be for someone based in Portugal to ask PJ to whom evidence pertaining to Madeleine case should be addressed to. I bet there's no one specifically in charge of it now as being cold case the files are filed and dusted, but if evidence were received pertaining to it, someone will be allocated to look at it. Whether the someone will just be junior police member or senior police officer is a $64m question. The PJ have plenty cases to solve and surely the mccanns is not set apart from the others and no particular one is of any special importance over another that it has to be given priority. I would imagine the PJ are no longer interested in the mccanns' case knowing that Maddie is dead and unless her remains is found, chances of prosecuting them successfully based on circumstantial evidence is worst than slim.
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Post by kikoraton 21.10.11 1:26

You're probably right, aiyoyo, but I believe we already have strong circumstantial evidence, and if (through further development of the phone records) we could reinforce it, then that would give me a great deal of satisfaction. I'd also love to find that some members or ex-members of the PJ were interested in taking this further.
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Post by aiyoyo 21.10.11 7:20

kikoraton wrote:You're probably right, aiyoyo, but I believe we already have strong circumstantial evidence, and if (through further development of the phone records) we could reinforce it, then that would give me a great deal of satisfaction. I'd also love to find that some members or ex-members of the PJ were interested in taking this further.

Your tireless work and effort are commendable kikoraton. I certainly hope PJ are still hoping to prosecute the mccanns based just on strong circumstantial evidence.

However, the problem with Portugal judiciary system is that PJ works are conducted under the directives of Public Prosecutor afaik. Hence, I would imagine (of course I may be wrong) that any new evidence received by PJ, even addressed to last officer in charge of the case, will not be looked unless authorisation from Public Prosecutor is sought and had. That being the case even if PJ have the volition and determination to study any incoming evidence pertaining to a shelved case or cold case their hands are tied by the systems structure and cant do anything without first having to consult someone higher in the hierarchy to seek permission to analyse the data.

Of course I suppose if the last officer in charge feels strong conviction and determination to solve the case regardless of system obstacles then maybe s/he will find ways to push for the new evidence to be studied. But I dont hold out hope for that. I suspect a better ( probably quicker and more effective ) way to get new evidence looked at is if you (or anyone with evidence) were to address the parcel to someone within the judiciary with the authority (and I suspect it would be the PP or better still someone higher up in the hierarchy) b/c they are the only ones with the remit to instruct or not instruct the study of the new evidence.
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Post by kikoraton 21.10.11 13:08

Hmmm.........I think you may be correct. It could be a whole lot easier to take the car, a plane, overground train, then Tube to Belgravia, walk a bit, and sit tight until DCI Redwood agrees to see me!
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Post by tigger 21.10.11 13:20

kikoraton wrote:I emailed him today. Let's hope we can give him some encouragement.

I'm still convinced that the only reason Amaral sticks to the accident 3/5, is that there is enough evidence to make that stick in court.
He only had two options: neglect or accident to get them convicted.

I'm sure that he is aware of a lot of circumstantial evidence and perhaps this will become so overwhelming that the true state of affairs will become clear, not least because of the phone records and perhaps the unusual collection of people at PdL at that time.
I just have a feeling that Burgau and Easter/Donegal are important, the overture so to speak.
Wouldn't it be lovely to have a log of their calls as from the 1st of April?
Gerry had contacts in PdL and been there several times, Payne had contacts in PdL.

The holiday was only a week. How divergent was the content and behaviour of the core group during this holiday? Were Majorca and Greece much longer?


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Post by Buildersbum 21.10.11 13:34

AskTheDogsSandra wrote:I agree, Stella. The only way to get this case reopened is to approach the Portuguese because we all know the Brits are supporting the McCanns to get them permanently off the hook at the taxpayers expense, which will give the McC's the green light to carry on their Fund indefinitely. Madeleine's life means nothing to her parents or our government and police. I trust TB has also sent his dossiers to the PJ/Portuguese prosecutor/Goncalo/. If not, why not?

What needs to be found out is "why the protection/what reason for the protection" of the McCanns this imo is equally if not more important then finding further evidence, if this could be found, then I'm sure this case would be well on its way to be solved, we are so involved in evidence, how Maddy died, the fund and the re-opening of the case that we get diverted away from the real reason what STOPS this case from been solved, and imo its not lack of evidence.

Scotland Yard have got a lot on with this "Review" if they fudge/white wash this, they know, there is a real chance that its ALL going to come out in the next couple of years, just like the Hackgate trouble going on now..........can SCOTLAND YARD really afford more serious scandal, I think not, I wouldn't put my house on it but I'm 90% sure that this review could set off a chain reaction, for all the right reasons.

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Post by Guest 21.10.11 15:26

I'm beginning to think that all roads lead to the Government. big grin

CarterRuck still represent them and get them out of sticky Trafigura like spots.
Clarence Mitchell, used to work for the Government.
Philip Edmonds, guest, is the nephew of a senior Labour Minister and Stemcor's Steel, would be well protected by them.
Alistair Hynd,guest, works for Baker Tilly, they provide services for Government sectors.
All the Doctors work for the NHS, who ultimately work for them.
Des Browne, British Defence Secretary, was contacted on the night.
Paul Weinburger, guests, works a Porton Down, a secret Government laboratory.

Then there are numerous other individuals who work for big Pharmaceutical companies and Banks, who provide huge amounts of revenue for the Government.

This might be the sticking point in the end !!
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Post by Tony Bennett 31.10.11 15:19

On Monday 3 October [the day following 'Goncalo Amaral Day'] we visited the HQ of the Scotland Yard Review Team, met and spoke with Detective Inspector Tim Dobson, and handed in a dossier of evidence about the conduct of the private investigations conducted by the McCann Team under the personal direction of Cheshire multi-millionaire businessman, Mr Brian Kennedy.

On a number of occasions I have referred to information we hold from a 'McCann Team insider'. We have conveyed the fact that we hold this information to the Scotland Yard Review Team. This source has contacted us on a number of occasions but had not been in touch with us for months.

However, in response to a letter and e-mail sent to her again recently, I am pleased to say she has now communicated with us again.

She has told us that 'within a week of the Scotland Yard Review Team having been set up', she contacted the Scotland Yard Review Team and had a long conversation with 'one of the detectives there'. She explained that she was in a position to give valuable information to the Scotland Yard Review Team from the perspective of someone who worked within the McCann Team. However, she told me that the Scotland Yard Review Team had not yet been in touch with her to take a full statement.

During a recent conversation (last couple of weeks), she asked if I would contact Detective Chief Inspector Redwood and urge him to take a full statement from her. This I have now done.

The Scotland Yard Review Team had urged me to disclose the identity of our source. With this lady's permission, and indeed encouragement, I have now done so.

I would very much like to share publicly all the information we have been given by her, but we are simply not in a position to be able to do so. She remains nervous for obvious reasons about the reaction from the McCann Team should her identity become known.

But I can just reveal one small aspect of what she has told us.

And that is about the 'evidence' of Jane Tanner.

Our source has been able to tell us two things that happened in the early days following the reported disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The first is that the International Family Law Group worked closely with Jane Tanner in the first few days after Madeleine's reported disappearance to compose and refine her statement about the man she claimed to have seen walking away from Apartment G5A carrying a child.

The second piece of information is that Jane Tanner's statement had to go through four separate drafts before everyone was happy with it. These drafts reveal a number of significant variations from one draft statement to the next, including for example very different accounts of how close she was to the man she claimed to have seen when she 'saw' him.

One of the most significant aspects of this revelation is the light it sheds on the role of the International Family Law Group, and in particular on its founder, one David Hodson.

I think I am right in saying that the International Family Law Group (IFLG) was only founded in early 2007, just before Madeleine McCann was reported missing, in fact. Ever since, they have made much of the 'help' they gave to Drs Gerald and Kate McCann, as this recent news article on their website again makes clear:

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It's our hope that D.C.I. Redwood will very soon delegate one of his senior investigators to fully debrief our source - a McCann Team insider who is clearly willing to yield up her information.

It might also be a good idea if one of D.C.I. Redwood's top analysts were to get hold as soon as possible of those draft statements that Jane Tanner worked up with the help of the IFLG. They might well shed further light on the crediblity of Ms Tanner.
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Post by Guest 31.10.11 15:35

I have been saying for a very long time now that the sign-off signatures at the tops of her statement pages, do not all match. Which to me suggests, not the whole document was replaced, but just one page. I will double check this out now.
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Stella wrote:I have been saying for a very long time now that the sign-off signatures at the tops of her statement pages, do not all match. Which to me suggests, not the whole document was replaced, but just one page. I will double check this out now.

Or maybe all were replaced exept the one page with different sign off?
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Interesting that SY have not asked this 'McCann Team insider' for a statement yet. Hope it isn't due to an attempt to avoid anything that may incriminate the doctors' McCann and their entourage.

It's very telling indeed that others on the scene are privy to the manipulation of Tanner's bundleman sighting. Of course many of us who have watched this case closely from day 1, have seen the endless changes and manipulations with our very own eyes, and cannot believe that Kate and Gerry McCann are still free to roam.
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Post by PeterMac 31.10.11 15:54

I wonder what JT will make of this when she reads it.
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The first two pages, 42 and 43 are different to all the other pages. But this could mean two things. Either 42 & 43 were possibly replaced, or, page 44 through to page 48, a total of 5 pages, have possibly been replaced. I tend to think it is the first two pages myself.
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Post by jd 31.10.11 16:08

Thanks Tony for this update. With an insider ready to give a statement to the SY team, it makes you wonder why they haven't instantly followed up on this months ago like they should be doing if they are good honest detectives seeking the truth & justice, and why it took constant asking of them to do so. Just like why the gaspar statements were not revealed for 6 months by the Leicestershire police and only revealed when the case was closed! I think we can draw our own conclusions about this! It is clear for all to see that have read JT statements how contradictory they are (you know you know!) and a pack of lies

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Post by Guest 31.10.11 17:01

I have checked all the other statements now and they are all consistent. So if by some chance another one did change their statement, maybe they changed the whole thing.
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Post by Tony Bennett 31.10.11 17:20

Stella wrote:I have checked all the other statements now and they are all consistent. So if by some chance another one did change their statement, maybe they changed the whole thing.
Just to clarify for Stella and others, what the 'insider' source was telling us about the International Family Law Group 'helping' Jane Tanner with her statements appears to refer to the period between her first statement to the police (4 May) and this (second) one on 10 May:

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It looks like the International Family Law Group turned up at just the 'right' time.
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Post by jd 31.10.11 17:27

Tony Bennett wrote:
It looks like the International Family Law Group turned up at just the 'right' time.

what another coincidence!

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Post by Guest 31.10.11 17:43

It was the 4th May statement that appears to have different pages. So if IFLG came onto the scene after the 4th May, this might explain why that one looks like it has been changed in part. Then the 'four' drafts to get the 10th May one right, would be consistent with every page on that one, we can see as matching.
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