Re: SY Review Team - Includes STATEMENT 6 Oct by Inspector Steve Bentley

by aiyoyo 03.11.11 11:48

jd wrote:When you read the timeline it does put a lot of things into perspective.....God this really does not add up to a timeline of a child gone missing and I need to read it again

I cannot understand what kate meant when she said Catriona Baker & other OC employees were sent to Greece for logistical reasons....what does she mean by this? Why is anyone thinking about the employees when they are meant to be focusing on abductors

And, why would OC management need to tell kate that? If her source isnt OC management then who told kate about staff redeployment and reason for it. For that matter why did kate need to know that? How does staff movement help in kate's search for Maddie?

by **tigger** 03.11.11 12:27

aiyoyo wrote:

Although it's unclear who originated the term "fighting fund", the fact that kate states it as 'that' in her book would mean that they (the mccanns at least) had considered it as a "fighting fund'. Interesting term "fighting fund' - why not 'search fund'?

If however on the premise that kate has borrowed the term 'fighting fund' from the lFGL lawyer who coined and suggested it, then wouldn't the implication be patently obvious that they (IFLG) were in the know about Maddie's fate right from the onset and were especially despatched to PDL to help the mccanns in their cover up. It's interesting to note that IFLG, Control Risks Group as well as Intelligence Officer were all sent to help out the mccanns, a highly unprecedented occurrence by all accounts in a missing child or person case. hmmmmm...definitely fishy......too many coincidences .....

Fighting Fund - hmm. sounds like a title to appeal to the British - the xenophobia was built in from the start. The PJ were bad mouthed and lied about by the British Ambassador as early as 10.00 am on the 4th of May 07.
It seems Portugal was chosen because it was suitably backward? With lawless villages and all?
I think Fighting Fund was a brilliant name for what they had in mind. Nothing appeals to the British more than the plight of the 'vulnerable'. The second stroke of genius was the choice of photograph, who wouldn't search for that girl?

by aiyoyo 03.11.11 12:33

jd wrote:'Fighting Fund'...I wonder if this was in anticipation to fight the people who were going to expose the truth of their scam?

At that stage, more like fund for their lawyers to fight prosecution charges.
Now it has become 'fighting fund' to fight anyone who didn't believe their abduction tale and anyone daring to expose the truth of their crime and scam.
No matter how one looks at it, a 'fighting fund' is for fighting something or someone, and irrespective who they were intending and still intend to fight, ultimately the fund goes to the lawyers pocket.

After all no matter how one looks at it a "fighting fund" cannot be for fighting abductor, can it? Neither can it be used for searching isnt it - b/c what fighting could be involved in the search? Don't tell me at the time of the 'fighting fund' set up they were already expecting to fight lawless villagers where Maddie was claimed to be held captive in a cave?

Come on, be honest, how else are one supposed to view a 'fighting fund' other than what it means exactly. Kate has inadvertently let the cat out of the bag that even then they were anticipating fights....and fund is urgently needed hence the lightning speed it was set up, again something unprecedented in the history of missing child or person.

Most fund or trust or charity whatever it be termed (notice how it is never termed 'fighting fund' in other legitimate cases) is set up in retrospect after a person is dead, or missing then found dead, after a reasonably decent time has elapsed and family wanted that as a memorial for the demised person. Also family members, typically without variation, meant such fund or trust to serve the purposes of educating the public and aiding similar victims or people who found themselves in that unfortunate situation. It is never intended let alone used for 'pretendy search' or 'bogus detectives' and most importantly not for paying exorbitant lawyers for reputation salvation.

If the truth be told to the public then that the fund is meant for 'fighting'....would donation level be as high? It turns out they deviously marketed it differently, contrary to their intention. If that is not a scam, I don't know what is?

by jd 03.11.11 12:56

If for arguments sake Maddie was abducted....You wouldn't call a fund a 'fighting fund'. You are not fighting these abductors you are trying to catch them

by jd 03.11.11 12:57

aiyoyo wrote:
jd wrote:When you read the timeline it does put a lot of things into perspective.....God this really does not add up to a timeline of a child gone missing and I need to read it again

I cannot understand what kate meant when she said Catriona Baker & other OC employees were sent to Greece for logistical reasons....what does she mean by this? Why is anyone thinking about the employees when they are meant to be focusing on abductors

And, why would OC management need to tell kate that? If her source isnt OC management then who told kate about staff redeployment and reason for it. For that matter why did kate need to know that? How does staff movement help in kate's search for Maddie?

Exactly

by aiyoyo 03.11.11 13:09

jd wrote:If for arguments sake Maddie was abducted....You wouldn't call a fund a 'fighting fund'. You are not fighting these abductors you are trying to catch them

Exactly! The 'fund' for 'fighting' is a dead give-away - definitely not for fighting phantom (abductor supposedly) but real people!

by aiyoyo 03.11.11 15:59

A 'Sean and Amelie fighting fund' - good grief!

Kids don't need any fund to fight and catch monsters (abductors) because they do it in their imaginations all the time.

by russiandoll 03.11.11 20:51

I believe the intention was to create in the mind of the UK public an image of 2 victims of a corrupt foreign justice system, remember that megalomaniacal statement from Kate that there would be riots in the UK if they were unjustly charged with involvement in their daughter's disappearance?
And by portraying themselves as victims and focusing the spotlight on them [ they have the fight against a corrupt and incompetent PJ]....who is then placed in the background rather than the foreground of the picture? Who else but little Maddie.........didn't her Dad say at one time " at the bottom of all this is a missing little girl" or words to that effect?
No Dr McCann, your little daughter was and is at the CENTRE of all this.

by jd 04.11.11 1:55

russiandoll wrote:I believe the intention was to create in the mind of the UK public an image of 2 victims of a corrupt foreign justice system, .

Yes this is what they were trying to achieve in their pre planned ultimate goal....You've hit the nail on the head there

From the very first minutes of May 3rd 2007 they were criticising the PJ to all F& F's back in the UK...more doing this than concerned about Maddie

by Kololi 04.11.11 12:11

Did Kate McCann seriously say this?

"remember that megalomaniacal statement from Kate that there would be riots in the UK if they were unjustly charged with involvement in their daughter's disappearance?"

by **tigger** 04.11.11 13:28

Kololi wrote:Did Kate McCann seriously say this?

"remember that megalomaniacal statement from Kate that there would be riots in the UK if they were unjustly charged with involvement in their daughter's disappearance?"

yes, just as she said that 'Rome is preparing itself for our visit' . Went well, the Pope even got to shake the hand of the great man himself (Clarrie).

I think both remarks are either in the blogs but more likely in the diary Kate kept.

by jd 04.11.11 13:46

tigger wrote:
Kololi wrote:
"remember that megalomaniacal statement from Kate that there would be riots in the UK if they were unjustly charged with involvement in their daughter's disappearance?"

yes, just as she said that 'Rome is preparing itself for our visit'

These statements are just simply hilarious! Ones for the Bob Monkhouse book of jokes

by Guest 04.11.11 14:17

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Kate's notes:

"Left a message for Gordon Brown to call us in order to increase the political pressure" – Kate McCann, 23rd of May

"Gordon Brown called and spoke with Gerry – very sympathetic and gave strength. Somewhat emotive feeling afterwards" – Kate McCann, 23rd of May

"Clarence spoke to us about a possible visit to the Vatican. Rome is already preparing itself. Francis Campbell was spoken to" – Kate McCann, 27th of May

by **tigger** 04.11.11 16:15

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Kate's notes:

"Left a message for Gordon Brown to call us in order to increase the political pressure" – Kate McCann, 23rd of May

"Gordon Brown called and spoke with Gerry – very sympathetic and gave strength. Somewhat emotive feeling afterwards" – Kate McCann, 23rd of May

"Clarence spoke to us about a possible visit to the Vatican. Rome is already preparing itself. Francis Campbell was spoken to" – Kate McCann, 27th of May

And Gordon jumped at his master's voice?
Now another thing that was happening at the time was the changeover from Blair to Brown. I've scanned the Not born yesterday blog and have only come up with this here is the link: quite interesting. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

It looks as if Brown had something on Blair, but what was the leverage the McCanns had on Brown? Apart from making himself look good in the press, because he could have done that quite easily with lots of spin such as 'Brown sends personal envoy to help find lost girl..' etc. He didn't actually need to do anything, just visit the family up north (lotsavotes), loads of publicity, it would have done the trick of making him look caring. But still, he did not need to interfere. So I wonder why? I also wonder at the peremptory tone: 'Left a message for Gordon Brown to call...' Woof, woof.

by aiyoyo 04.11.11 16:33

yeah, sounds as if GB was their secretary, and they expected him to ring right back so that they could bark orders at him accordingly. And, when they say "jump", he asks "how high".

Her remark about Rome preparing itself is typical of someone suffering illusion of grandiose.

by Guest 04.11.11 17:06

jd wrote:Philomena McCanns Freudian slip......To me she really slipped up and gave it away with these 2 slips...oh Philomena!

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This made my stoomach turn..

by Guest 04.11.11 17:09

tigger wrote:
Molly wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Kate's notes:

"Left a message for Gordon Brown to call us in order to increase the political pressure" – Kate McCann, 23rd of May

"Gordon Brown called and spoke with Gerry – very sympathetic and gave strength. Somewhat emotive feeling afterwards" – Kate McCann, 23rd of May

"Clarence spoke to us about a possible visit to the Vatican. Rome is already preparing itself. Francis Campbell was spoken to" – Kate McCann, 27th of May

And Gordon jumped at his master's voice?
Now another thing that was happening at the time was the changeover from Blair to Brown. I've scanned the Not born yesterday blog and have only come up with this here is the link: quite interesting. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

It looks as if Brown had something on Blair, but what was the leverage the McCanns had on Brown? Apart from making himself look good in the press, because he could have done that quite easily with lots of spin such as 'Brown sends personal envoy to help find lost girl..' etc. He didn't actually need to do anything, just visit the family up north (lotsavotes), loads of publicity, it would have done the trick of making him look caring. But still, he did not need to interfere. So I wonder why? I also wonder at the peremptory tone: 'Left a message for Gordon Brown to call...' Woof, woof.

I'm inclined to agree with JD, it's hilarious. I'm not sure whether the correct term is illusions or delusions.

I think they phoned someone earlier on in the night (the name eludes me now but I will dig it out), that friend knows Gordon Brown personally. Not sure if that's all that it was but didn't the brother also know Gerry? When they spoke to everyone that night it was a constant story for everyone, the apt was locked up, the shutters were jemmied, Madeleine was abducted and the Police were doing nothing. Remember the house guest of Susan Healy phoned a contact in PDL to put pressure on them to get the PJ's on the case. Only when she phoned the police were already working on it and the search was in full swing. Then Cherie Blair phoned Kate. It's really hard to know how they kept the pressure on the government, could it really be as simple as a u turn signifies a mistake? Or how about forced resignation for helping a guilty party?

by aiyoyo 04.11.11 17:12

Moa wrote:
jd wrote:Philomena McCanns Freudian slip......To me she really slipped up and gave it away with these 2 slips...oh Philomena!

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This made my stoomach turn..

Stop repeating posting up her lollypop face - it gives me nightmare!

by pauline 04.11.11 17:24

perhaps this is rather nasty of me, but looking at the two videos just posted of Philomena mccann, i hadn't realised that she is medically obese.

Now with a brother and sister in law both doctors wouldn't you think gerry and kate could have a tactful word with her. If she could run like kate, and play as much tennis as gerry, it would do wonders for her health.

by Guest 04.11.11 20:51

pauline wrote:perhaps this is rather nasty of me, but looking at the two videos just posted of Philomena mccann, i hadn't realised that she is medically obese.

Now with a brother and sister in law both doctors wouldn't you think gerry and kate could have a tactful word with her. If she could run like kate, and play as much tennis as gerry, it would do wonders for her health.

Followed by a slap up tapas meal and 14 bottles of NZ wine?

by **tigger** 04.11.11 20:57

pauline wrote:perhaps this is rather nasty of me, but looking at the two videos just posted of Philomena mccann, i hadn't realised that she is medically obese.

Now with a brother and sister in law both doctors wouldn't you think gerry and kate could have a tactful word with her. If she could run like kate, and play as much tennis as gerry, it would do wonders for her health.

Gerry's main ambition I think, was to get as far away from his family as possible. Considering that he comes out as the most presentable and handsome, that gives a clue what the others are like. Mum Eileen doesn't look sweetness and light exactly. Strangely, one hardly hears anything about her.
He wanted to stay in New Zealand and when that didn't work, I think he hit on Portugal as a good spot. Problem is, you can take the boy out of Glasgow, but you can't get Glasgow out of the boy.

by anil39200 04.11.11 21:12

one of the narciss violin

istic traits of some people who do very bad things is to believe they are are in, or belong in, a place which is far superior to the rest of the world, by taking the boy out of Glasgow it is an attempt to reinvent the man!

by jd 04.11.11 21:33

From the OC bar staff statements, they all said that each night gerry was the loud one of the 9 and seemed to be the dominant character of the pack...just a little insight to his character in private

by pauline 04.11.11 22:13

Molly wrote:
pauline wrote:perhaps this is rather nasty of me, but looking at the two videos just posted of Philomena mccann, i hadn't realised that she is medically obese.

Now with a brother and sister in law both doctors wouldn't you think gerry and kate could have a tactful word with her. If she could run like kate, and play as much tennis as gerry, it would do wonders for her health.

Followed by a slap up tapas meal and 14 bottles of NZ wine?

There is NO EVIDENCE that the 14 bottles of wine consumed by the tapasniks that night was NZ wine. Wine imported that far is likely to be quite expensive. It is more likely that it was the house Portuguese wine. Much cheaper. And remember paying for the nannies to babysit the children was clearly an expense not to be considered, so the drink bill for the evening of conviviality was perhaps an issue too ?!

by russiandoll 05.11.11 19:19

Kate in her book was rather amused and put out that she and the family were sighted in the Millenium restaurant when she is adamant that due to distance they had breakfast in the apartment. I read somewhere, not sure if the case[ could always check on MW website] that breakfast at this place was included, so it makes sense to eat there...and the lack of a buggy distance excuse does not wash as the pair borrowed a buggy from MW to take the twins to the beach.
Maybe they had to save on wine bill because of all those tennis lessons, or were they included too?

by Guest 05.11.11 20:21

russiandoll wrote:Kate in her book was rather amused and put out that she and the family were sighted in the Millenium restaurant when she is adamant that due to distance they had breakfast in the apartment. I read somewhere, not sure if the case[ could always check on MW website] that breakfast at this place was included, so it makes sense to eat there...and the lack of a buggy distance excuse does not wash as the pair borrowed a buggy from MW to take the twins to the beach.
Maybe they had to save on wine bill because of all those tennis lessons, or were they included too?

According to this they were included...................

09 May 2007 1:32 PM

My experience of Maddie's resort in Praia de Luz, the Algarve

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Around that pool was the Tapas bar which was in high demand every night. Most guests went to the buffet at the Ocean Club’s Millennium restaurant, a 10-minute walk away from the McCanns’ apartment. But eager guests would queue from 9am to book one of the limited number of tables at the Tapas bar, which served barbecued fish and meat dishes to order. Both restaurants were included in the price of the holiday.

Andrew Oxlade, Editor, This is Money

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