Re: Norwegian ex-military detective claims to have solved Madeleine case

by **crusader** 22.06.24 20:55

The documentary is just a rehash of what has already been seen before.
Where was the new analysis?

by Cake Lover 22.06.24 20:57

The timing is interesting, isn't it, with Bern's book having recently appeared.

by **Ladyinred** 22.06.24 21:09

crusader wrote:The documentary is just a rehash of what has already been seen before.
Where was the new analysis?

GreenTara posted upthread that it was made more than 7 years ago. So no mention of CB presumably.

What was the conclusion, that the abductors was still at large?

by **crusader** 22.06.24 21:10

That's why then. laugh

by **Ladyinred** 22.06.24 21:12

Just digging around and, yes, at least 5 years old!

We've been duped

by Paddingtom 23.06.24 8:12

Finally got my copy of Bernts book after spending half its life in customs in coventry!!!
I know everyone is adopting different strategys of reading it....I picked out bits here and there initially that interested me and now im starting to read the second part first.

So far, thers good and bad. The bad is that there seems to be a hell of a lot of repetition and discussion about Bernts feelings towards the Mccanns. Without this, the book would have been half the size and much easier to handle (I dont want to cut my book uo incas eit becomes a collectors item!!) But, that said, its Bernts book and up to him what he puts in it, just personally I would have preferred he hadnt.
On the good side, theres a hell of a lot of well researched info which I will devour. My observation so far is that interestingly he doesnt seem to think Murat played a very big part in proceedings other than as a second patsy after sagresman failed miserably. This contrasts dramatically with RDH and many many other researchers that credit him with being involved from the very beginning and playing a huge part in proceedings. For me, it was his being summoned back to PDL urgently that pinned the fatal day as Sunday. If Bernt is right and he was insignificant then I can understand the date moving. However, he seems to put high regard on MM crying one night to bring his date forward. I struggle with this. How do we know it was MM? it could have been a sibling or child in another flat. And apparently it was only one person who reported this crying. Noone else heard it. There is also a video online where she states soemthing to the effect that she is being misrepresented. So is this crying reliable?

by **crusader** 23.06.24 8:31

I think if you lived above a ground floor apartment, as Mrs Fenn did, you would know the crying was coming from there.
She also said the crying stopped when the parents arrived back, she heard the patio doors open and the crying stopped.

by **Ladyinred** 23.06.24 9:11

Paddingtom wrote:Finally got my copy of Bernts book after spending half its life in customs in coventry!!!
I know everyone is adopting different strategys of reading it....I picked out bits here and there initially that interested me and now im starting to read the second part first.

So far, thers good and bad. The bad is that there seems to be a hell of a lot of repetition and discussion about Bernts feelings towards the Mccanns. Without this, the book would have been half the size and much easier to handle (I dont want to cut my book uo incas eit becomes a collectors item!!) But, that said, its Bernts book and up to him what he puts in it, just personally I would have preferred he hadnt.
On the good side, theres a hell of a lot of well researched info which I will devour. My observation so far is that interestingly he doesnt seem to think Murat played a very big part in proceedings other than as a second patsy after sagresman failed miserably. This contrasts dramatically with RDH and many many other researchers that credit him with being involved from the very beginning and playing a huge part in proceedings. For me, it was his being summoned back to PDL urgently that pinned the fatal day as Sunday. If Bernt is right and he was insignificant then I can understand the date moving. However, he seems to put high regard on MM crying one night to bring his date forward. I struggle with this. How do we know it was MM? it could have been a sibling or child in another flat. And apparently it was only one person who reported this crying. Noone else heard it. There is also a video online where she states soemthing to the effect that she is being misrepresented. So is this crying reliable?

Thank you for posting this.

by **Bluebagthepirate** 23.06.24 9:23

I think the crying and the night Kate slept in the same room as the kids are related.
I think Kate was keeping a watch on a very sick child.

by **crusader** 23.06.24 9:43

Kate said she slept in the children's room on the Wednesday 2nd May.
Mrs Fenn heard crying on the Tuesday 1st May and we know Kate was in the apartment at that time making a phone call.
The crying started soon after.
I believe it was the Tuesday Kate slept in madeleine's room, the night of the quiz when Gerry invited Najoua Chekaya to join them, I think Kate was annoyed with Gerry for ignoring her.

by Cake Lover 23.06.24 10:14

I don't know why that episode of the quiz needed to be told. It makes Kate McCann look jealous and juvenile, and she has invited enough criticism without adding to it.

by **crusader** 23.06.24 10:19

I can't remember if any of the McCann group mentioned it, I know Najoua mentioned it in her statement.

by **Silentscope** 23.06.24 10:21

Kate’s reaction seems to be out of Sync with the Swinger scenarios published by the Press.
She was herself an only Child, which leans more towards her wanting to be loved and appreciated by one man.
She was obviously deeply hurt by Gerry inviting Chekaya to their Table that night.
Possible that her insecurities in herself came to rise.

Returning to the Apartment she was probably hitting the Walls and kicking the Bed at that point, explaining some bruises that seemed to show up on her (and Gerry) a few days later.

Her phone call to anyone that night could have been a rant about Gerry?

In her Book Madeleine Kate switches it around and writes that Gerry went back to the Apartment first.

Obviously a lie.

by **Ladyinred** 23.06.24 12:30

Cake Lover wrote:I don't know why that episode of the quiz needed to be told. It makes Kate McCann look jealous and juvenile, and she has invited enough criticism without adding to it.

It was to provide an explanation as to why she and Gerry didn't share a bed that night. For the first time ever.

Was it to tend to a sick child, as suggested by BlueBag? Or if Gerry slipped out of the apartment that night, to attend to matters, she could deny knowing this if ever challenged.

by Cake Lover 23.06.24 12:55

Yes, I think Gerry slipping out of the apartment is the only feasible reason. It's such a non-sensible detail to tell people, like the purchasing of five ice creams, unless it's an alibi of sorts. The most peculiar of these titbits is washing a 'tea stain' out of pyjamas, imo.

by **crusader** 23.06.24 13:07

But it wasn't the quiz night Kate slept in the children's room, she said it was the Wednesday night, she never mentioned the quiz did she?
She said Gerry arrived back at the apartment before her, this is backed up by one of the tapas 7, I can't remember which one at the moment.
Because Gerry left her, she was annoyed with him.
It is only my opinion that she slept in the children's room on the Tuesday and not the Wednesday, it makes a lot more sense to me.

by **Ladyinred** 23.06.24 13:13

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3027-the-previous-night?highlight=Quiz+night

Wednesday, 2nd May. Gerry's snoring apparently.

Quiz night Tuesday.

by **crusader** 23.06.24 13:19

That's right

by **Ladyinred** 23.06.24 14:00

Have you started reading the book yet, Crusader?

by **crusader** 23.06.24 14:16

I have, not as much as I would like though.
I've read where he was camping out and getting people on field cameras.
Now I'm starting from the beginning, he refers to things and then say's more of that later a lot, which is very annoying.

by **Ladyinred** 23.06.24 14:24

Sounds like advice on writing essays: say what you're going to say; say it; say what you've just said.

Look forward to your comments

by Paddingtom 23.06.24 15:20

Ladyinred wrote:
Cake Lover wrote:I don't know why that episode of the quiz needed to be told. It makes Kate McCann look jealous and juvenile, and she has invited enough criticism without adding to it.
It was to provide an explanation as to why she and Gerry didn't share a bed that night. For the first time ever.

Was it to tend to a sick child, as suggested by BlueBag? Or if Gerry slipped out of the apartment that night, to attend to matters, she could deny knowing this if ever challenged.

Or was it because there was a smell eminating from the wardrobe and she needed to get away from it?

In fairness to her, I can understand her feeling incredibly fragile given the circumstances and perhaps feeling that the least hubby could do was comfort her.

by Cake Lover 23.06.24 15:48

Paddingtom wrote:
Ladyinred wrote:
Cake Lover wrote:I don't know why that episode of the quiz needed to be told. It makes Kate McCann look jealous and juvenile, and she has invited enough criticism without adding to it.
It was to provide an explanation as to why she and Gerry didn't share a bed that night. For the first time ever.

Was it to tend to a sick child, as suggested by BlueBag? Or if Gerry slipped out of the apartment that night, to attend to matters, she could deny knowing this if ever challenged.

Or was it because there was a smell eminating from the wardrobe and she needed to get away from it?

In fairness to her, I can understand her feeling incredibly fragile given the circumstances and perhaps feeling that the least hubby could do was comfort her.

If it was to be with a sick child, did they go out knowing she was sick, or get back to find out that she was? We'll never know that, of course, but I can't help but wonder.

by **Ladyinred** 23.06.24 16:03

Returned to find the child had fallen off the sofa?

by Liz Eagles 24.06.24 10:51

crusader wrote:I have, not as much as I would like though.
I've read where he was camping out and getting people on field cameras.
Now I'm starting from the beginning, he refers to things and then say's more of that later a lot, which is very annoying.

Was he kindling wood in the lawless hills?

by **crusader** 24.06.24 10:57

Not that I know of, he was busy putting trail cameras up and laying in wait.

by **Bluebagthepirate** 24.06.24 11:51

Book just arrived!!!!

by **crusader** 24.06.24 12:10

Great.

by Liz Eagles 24.06.24 13:25

crusader wrote:Not that I know of, he was busy putting trail cameras up and laying in wait.

So no mention of a secret bivouac on a special forces mission.

by **Nina** 24.06.24 21:02

Liz Eagles wrote:
crusader wrote:Not that I know of, he was busy putting trail cameras up and laying in wait.
So no mention of a secret bivouac on a special forces mission.

How did he lay in wait? It doesn't seem to be an area of lots of cover to hide and silently wait. He could have been there for hours even days so did he have some sort of very primitive camp?

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