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Aside from the book plug, Ms Brown can't claim exclusivity in the guise of a criminal profiler. Here on CMOMM/MMRG the majority of members past and present have drawn the same conclusions.
I do however disagree with her view that Christian Brueckner is the ideal patsy. Named famed dead and buried would be the ideal patsy - like Raymond Hewlett. Even a nuisance relative could be silenced given the right incentive, or some other method of silencing.
The Brueckner debacle has been rumbling on, with no developments I might add, for nigh on two years. If he were intended to be the ultimate closure, why drag it on for two years - involving the German authorities to boot!
Unless of course it's all an act ....
I do however disagree with her view that Christian Brueckner is the ideal patsy. Named famed dead and buried would be the ideal patsy - like Raymond Hewlett. Even a nuisance relative could be silenced given the right incentive, or some other method of silencing.
The Brueckner debacle has been rumbling on, with no developments I might add, for nigh on two years. If he were intended to be the ultimate closure, why drag it on for two years - involving the German authorities to boot!
Unless of course it's all an act ....
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Re: END OF THE ROAD Madeleine McCann inquiry to END after 11 years as fears grow prime suspect WON’T be charged
Has StA Wolters officially said that his investigation is over?
The airing of any further Documentary on the Maddie case in Germany is now apparently cancelled.
It seems that everything will now want to be forgotten in a hurry.
Oder Unterdenteppichgekehrt / Or swept under the Carpet?
The airing of any further Documentary on the Maddie case in Germany is now apparently cancelled.
It seems that everything will now want to be forgotten in a hurry.
Oder Unterdenteppichgekehrt / Or swept under the Carpet?
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Re: END OF THE ROAD Madeleine McCann inquiry to END after 11 years as fears grow prime suspect WON’T be charged
Now that Operation Grange has reached the end I can only hope this farce will be forgotten sooner rather than later.
It's past it's sell by date.
Jetzt, da Operation Grange das Ende erreicht hat, kann ich nur hoffen, dass diese Farce eher früher als später vergessen wird.
Das Mindesthaltbarkeitsdatum ist überschritten.
Sometimes google translate is more accurate or believable than the pretence!
It's past it's sell by date.
Jetzt, da Operation Grange das Ende erreicht hat, kann ich nur hoffen, dass diese Farce eher früher als später vergessen wird.
Das Mindesthaltbarkeitsdatum ist überschritten.
Sometimes google translate is more accurate or believable than the pretence!
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Re: END OF THE ROAD Madeleine McCann inquiry to END after 11 years as fears grow prime suspect WON’T be charged
No such luck, the show must go on..
The hunt for Madeleine McCann is winding down but three lessons are helping the search for other missing children
By Catherine Taylor
Posted 6h ago, updated 4h ago
The search for Madeleine McCann has offered lessons in the best strategies to use to look for missing children.(Reuters: Virgilio Rodrigues)
It was a warm night in mid spring and the Ocean Club resort on Portugal's far south coast was buzzing. Lights around the pool twinkled as the McCann family, from Leicestershire in England, gathered to enjoy the evening with friends while their three kids slept off the sun and sea nearby.
Then, in one moment, everything changed.
At 10pm on Thursday May 3, 2007, Kate and Gerry McCann's eldest daughter Madeleine, a few days away from turning four, was discovered missing from her bed.
Those who witnessed the chaos that night describe Kate pacing back and forth almost catatonic with fear as she looked for her lost child and tried to protect her 18-month-old twins, Sean and Amelie. Gerry was bent over, peering under cars, behind shrubs.
"You're in this quiet little holiday resort that seemed idyllic," Gerry has said of the moment. "[Then] We couldn't get the darkest thoughts out of our minds, that somebody had taken her and abused her. I remember being slumped on the floor [calling] some of my family members and just saying, "pray for her".
In the back of everyone's mind was simply this: were they still hunting for a lost little girl, or should they be looking for a body?
Millions of dollars have been spent trying to answer that question. But almost 15 years later Madeleine is still missing and details of what happened that night remain a mystery.
Madeleine's legacy
Now, Britain's Metropolitan Police has announced the dedicated $26 million task force Operation Grange, that was set up in 2011 to solve the case, is running out of money. While investigators will continue to accept tips, there are "no plans to take the inquiry further".
When the investigation winds up Kate and Gerry McCann will be back where they began in 2007: funding their own search for their "lovely daughter", this time from a fund of donations said to be worth about $1.3 million.
"We will never give up hope of finding Madeleine alive," Gerry has said. "We need to know, as we need to find peace."
Kate said in 2017 she will do "Whatever it takes, for as long as it takes," to find her daughter.
Yet even though investigations are no closer to charging a suspect, the hunt for Madeleine – who would turn 19 on May 12 – has already left an important legacy that experts believe has changed the way police approach investigations into missing children, including William Tyrrell and Cleo Smith, and even Shayla Phillips, the subject of Australia's most recent missing child hunt.
The three most important influences drawn from the Madeleine McCann case according to Xanthe Mallett — a forensic anthropologist and criminologist from the University of Newcastle who specialises in the behaviour of paedophiles — are the early use of a strong image, the creation of a "perfect victim", and an investigation strategy that prioritises multiple lines of inquiry.
The image
As news broke of Madeleine's disappearance in 2007, Mallett was watching TV with a group of colleagues from the forensic investigation centre where she worked in England.
As the story unfolded on the screen Mallett emphasises how important early images of Maddie were building a public profile for the media and British public to get behind, helping underscore the urgency of the search.
The now iconic photo of Maddie's sweet face — messy bobbed haircut and fringe, her wide blue and green eyes with a distinctive brown mark in the right — was deeply affecting. The fact that the little girl shared such a strong likeness to her mother emphasised their bond, and the unfathomable loss.
Everyone who saw the picture felt invested in Maddie's story and wanted to know what would happen next. The result is that the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has become one of the most widely-reported missing persons cases in history.
The "mediatisation" of Madeleine McCann was helped further by the fact that social media platforms including Facebook and Twitter had just launched, in 2004 and 2007, offering novel new ways for promoting the story.
Kate and Gerry, too, understood from the start that the will to invest effort into finding Madeleine was related to keeping her story in the news.
Maddie's parents were "pillioried" for their media focus, Mallett says, but "they knew if Maddie slipped off the front page the likelihood of her being found diminished significantly, so engaging with the media and keeping her front and centre, was their best chance of getting her back."
The media narrative built Maddie's disappearance as a mystery: how does a child simply vanish? The media — and crucially, also the police — continued to invest in finding the answer.
Their regular press conferences marking investigation milestones and anniversaries were accompanied by more emotive images – often featuring the couple side-by-side holding a photograph of their daughter, reminiscent of something biblical in the way it was constructed, subtly emphasising the idea that Maddie represented a "perfect victim".
The use of an early iconic photograph is a tactic that has assisted the campaigns for William Tyrrell and Cleo Smith, too, says Mallett.
"We all know the boy in the Spiderman suit," she says. "These are images that stay with you."
A 'perfect' victim
Defining Maddie as what criminologists call a "perfect victim" – someone who in the eyes of the public is totally blameless for their situation – helped build a sense of urgency to find her, Mallett says.
The story of this little girl, snatched from her bed while on holiday, described a scenario of intense vulnerability that triggered deep emotion in anyone who heard it regardless of whether they were a parent or not.
"Of course all victims are innocent but, unfortunately, we do tend to rank this idea. You'll hear conversations like "Oh well, you know, they were doing something risky"," Mallett says. "The perfect victim is somebody who was harmed through literally no fault of their own."
Once again, this aspect of the William Tyrrell and Cleo Smith cases was successfully emphasised as a method for galvanising ongoing public interest and support.
When we have our perfect victim, our "good guy", human biology comes into play, Mallett says. The loss of a child is something we can all relate to, and it reaches deep into the human psyche, exposing existential fears about safety and survival.
"If something's happened to a child, I think that pretty much rocks everybody," Mallett says.
Humans are hardwired to protect our youngest – biologically, they represent our future and when they go missing this tears at our sense of order in the world.
The investigations that follow abductions take us deep into the lives of these children – we learn about their personalities, we see their bedrooms and backyards, and study images of their favourite toys.
Following Maddie's disappearance Kate carried around a pink soft toy belonging to her daughter and spoke of the last time she was with her daughter — reading her favourite book If You're Happy and You Know It together.
We follow investigations into their disappearances like the minutes of a sporting match. There are good guys and bad guys and the entire community becomes bonded by the emotional investment in "victory" for our team.
Yet the McCann case also exposed inequalities in the way missing person cases are handled. Gerry and Kate, both doctors, had the intelligence and insights to drive a media campaign and their privileged middle-class background also matched stereotypes about what a "perfect victim" might look like.
"Millions of dollars have been poured into [the search] and it's unique in that sense because while every missing child deserves to be found, there are lots of missing children and very few of them receive this level of investment," Mallett says.
The investigation strategy
From the beginning, the search for Madeleine McCann faced a series of sliding doors moments that became torturous "what ifs".
What if the holiday apartment had been properly sealed off as a crime scene to preserve evidence and early investigations by Portuguese police had been more focused?
What if crucial clues, such as reports of a man leaving the resort carrying a sleeping child, had been quickly followed up?
What if Madeleine's parents had never been labelled as key suspects, throwing the investigation off track for weeks?
What if Scotland Yard had opened its own investigation far sooner than 2011?
These are questions that Graham Hill has spent years pondering and says he has never shaken "serious misgivings about the quality of the search strategy".
Hill was a British detective and expert in predatory sex offenders when he was seconded to Portugal to help search for Madeleine.
He met Kate and Gerry to discuss the case, but had little comfort to offer. As the days ticked on the chances of finding Madeleine alive fell exponentially with most abducted children killed within six hours of disappearing.
"It was a difficult conversation," Hill wrote in an article for The Conversation. "But I was struck by how focused the McCanns remained throughout."
Mallett says that one of the lessons to emerge from the McCann case is the importance of running several simultaneous enquiries: "Exploring the possibility of abduction as well as misadventure as well as the child simply wandering off or something happening within the family."
With the first 48 hours crucial in maximising the chance a missing child will be found alive, there simply is not time to run only one line of investigation, then switch to the next if it is unsuccessful, Mallett argues.
This strategy of multiple investigations was helpful in finding Cleo Smith, Mallett believes, adding that the very early offer of a large reward was another clever initiative.
"Only a few days into her being missing a large reward was offered," she says. "That is very unusual and even if it didn't have a direct impact what it did do is keep Cleo in the public's mind and keep people talking about her."
Finding the perpetrator
Of course, all of these strategies feel meaningless if the child isn't found or if a perpetrator isn't brought to justice.
And notwithstanding Mallett's advice to run multiple lines of inquiry from the get-go, when a child goes missing suspicion almost always first turns to the family.
Criminologists like Mallett are trained to pick up subtle shifts that can be crucial in suggesting guilt or innocence. But Mallett and her colleagues never wavered from a belief that Kate and Gerry were innocent.
"When a caregiver is responsible for the death of a child they tend not to use the name because it almost personalises the individual," she says. "They refer to them as "he" or "she" as a way of psychologically distancing themselves. If a parent is doing that when a child is missing it's a red flag."
Kate and Gerry never stopped referring to their daughter by name. In the first emotional press conference following their daughter's disappearance, Gerry asked for "any information related to Madeleine's disappearance, no matter how trivial" and begged, "Please, if you have Madeleine, let her come home to her mummy, daddy, brother and sister."
'Predators and prey'
Mallett, like most experts familiar with the case, is convinced Madeleine was abducted and over the years suspects have ranged from lone wolf paedophiles to organised crime gangs who deliver children to sex trafficking rings.
Mallett does not believe Madeleine was taken "to order" but was more likely the victim of an individual paedophile.
"There are predators and there are prey. It's just part of the animal kingdom, isn't it," Mallett says with devastating simplicity. "And so when there's an opportunity to take advantage of a situation someone will always leverage that."
She emphasises that while an individual's perversion is responsible for some child abductions, money remains "a huge driver for sex trafficking".
"The people who traffic people don't see them as different to any other commodity. They are totally emotionally disengaged," Mallett says.
Following Cleo Smith's abduction police were quick to begin scouring the dark web for any sign of her being offered for sale. While that was thankfully not the case it remains an important consideration whenever a child goes missing, Mallett believes.
"I don't think people understand that beneath the genuine economy is the black economy that views an abducted child as nothing more than an opportunity to access a new source of revenue," she says.
'Born evil'
The latest suspect in Madeleine's disappearance does nothing to bring comfort or closure.
In 2020 German police put forward the name of Christian Brueckner, a 45-year-old convicted paedophile and rapist who was known to live close to the Ocean Club where he also worked casually.
In a rare show of certainty, German public prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has claimed to be "100 per cent sure" Brueckner was Madeleine's abductor. Yet Wolters also says he cannot reveal the information that has led to this conclusion, saying only that "If you knew the evidence we had you would come to the same conclusion".
Wolters has suggested that ongoing charges mean information implicating Brueckner cannot be revealed, and that despite his sincere believe this is the man who took Maddie, legal complications could mean he is never brought to justice.
Mallett says her understanding of Brueckner builds a picture of "a monster".
Public records portray Broeckner as a man obsessed with pre-pubescent girls, videoed his assaults and murdered his victims after keeping them alive for significant portions of time, she says.
"This man was born evil," Mallett believes. "He is the embodiment of the bogeyman, the worst of the worst, a sadistic psychopathic offender."
Kate and Gerry have consistently said they want to know the truth of what happened to their daughter, "whatever the outcome may be".
Yet Mallett says in some ways she hopes the evidence against Broeckner is not conclusive.
"That poor family, waiting all these years to find out what happened, but the answer is literally their worst nightmare … It would break most people," Mallett says.
How do you pick up the pieces?
As the McCann's face down another anniversary of their daughter's disappearance and another birthday without her, it's clear why they describe May as the most difficult month.
The problem of finding the person who abducted her feels almost insignificant beside the daily task of continuing to live life without her, and with the terrible knowledge of what is most likely to have happened to her.
Mallett, who has spent a large portion of her career working with the families of murder victims says "closure is never a word that they use".
"Even when they've had a resolution, it can help them move on but it will always be with them," she says. "Sometimes even 50 years later you see the trauma. It's intergenerational. It's a pain that travels through the family."
For this reason, powerful bonds can develop between families who have suffered similar tragedies.
Denise and Bruce Morcombe's son Daniel was 13 when he was abducted in 2003 while waiting at a bus stop, and later murdered.
The Morcombes had dinner with the McCanns in England in 2011 and have described the meeting "as like looking in the mirror".
"It was amazing how quickly we communicated even though it was the first time we'd ever met," Bruce has said, adding the couples shared how they coped.
Everyday life for the McCann's is now low profile – apart from their regular and deliberate engagement with the media.
Despite the enormity of what happened in Portugal in 2007, Kate and Gerry McCann have had to carry on parenting their twins who would have little memory of their big sister and yet live with the inherited trauma of what happened to her.
The family is believed to still live in Leicestershire where Madeleine grew up until her disappearance. They have a house in the village of Rothley and the twins – Sean and Amelie, now 16 — attend a nearby Catholic high school.
Gerry, a professor of cardiology, works at the University of Leicester.
Kate, a GP, stopped practising after Madeleine's disappearance to devote time to searching for her, and to charity work, but the COVID pandemic triggered her return to work in hospitals around Leicester.
The story of Madeleine McCann is one that has touched almost every corner of the globe, yet we are still waiting for the final episode. And even if a resolution is reached, it is very hard indeed to imagine there will be a happy ending.
Whether the official investigation into her disappearance by Britain's Metropolitan Police concludes or not, any parent who has lost a child to abduction knows this is a search without end.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-27/madeleine-mccann-abduction-missing-cleo-william-shayla/100941730
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The hunt for Madeleine McCann is winding down but three lessons are helping the search for other missing children
By Catherine Taylor
Posted 6h ago, updated 4h ago
The search for Madeleine McCann has offered lessons in the best strategies to use to look for missing children.(Reuters: Virgilio Rodrigues)
It was a warm night in mid spring and the Ocean Club resort on Portugal's far south coast was buzzing. Lights around the pool twinkled as the McCann family, from Leicestershire in England, gathered to enjoy the evening with friends while their three kids slept off the sun and sea nearby.
Then, in one moment, everything changed.
At 10pm on Thursday May 3, 2007, Kate and Gerry McCann's eldest daughter Madeleine, a few days away from turning four, was discovered missing from her bed.
Those who witnessed the chaos that night describe Kate pacing back and forth almost catatonic with fear as she looked for her lost child and tried to protect her 18-month-old twins, Sean and Amelie. Gerry was bent over, peering under cars, behind shrubs.
"You're in this quiet little holiday resort that seemed idyllic," Gerry has said of the moment. "[Then] We couldn't get the darkest thoughts out of our minds, that somebody had taken her and abused her. I remember being slumped on the floor [calling] some of my family members and just saying, "pray for her".
In the back of everyone's mind was simply this: were they still hunting for a lost little girl, or should they be looking for a body?
Millions of dollars have been spent trying to answer that question. But almost 15 years later Madeleine is still missing and details of what happened that night remain a mystery.
Madeleine's legacy
Now, Britain's Metropolitan Police has announced the dedicated $26 million task force Operation Grange, that was set up in 2011 to solve the case, is running out of money. While investigators will continue to accept tips, there are "no plans to take the inquiry further".
When the investigation winds up Kate and Gerry McCann will be back where they began in 2007: funding their own search for their "lovely daughter", this time from a fund of donations said to be worth about $1.3 million.
"We will never give up hope of finding Madeleine alive," Gerry has said. "We need to know, as we need to find peace."
Kate said in 2017 she will do "Whatever it takes, for as long as it takes," to find her daughter.
Yet even though investigations are no closer to charging a suspect, the hunt for Madeleine – who would turn 19 on May 12 – has already left an important legacy that experts believe has changed the way police approach investigations into missing children, including William Tyrrell and Cleo Smith, and even Shayla Phillips, the subject of Australia's most recent missing child hunt.
The three most important influences drawn from the Madeleine McCann case according to Xanthe Mallett — a forensic anthropologist and criminologist from the University of Newcastle who specialises in the behaviour of paedophiles — are the early use of a strong image, the creation of a "perfect victim", and an investigation strategy that prioritises multiple lines of inquiry.
The image
As news broke of Madeleine's disappearance in 2007, Mallett was watching TV with a group of colleagues from the forensic investigation centre where she worked in England.
As the story unfolded on the screen Mallett emphasises how important early images of Maddie were building a public profile for the media and British public to get behind, helping underscore the urgency of the search.
The now iconic photo of Maddie's sweet face — messy bobbed haircut and fringe, her wide blue and green eyes with a distinctive brown mark in the right — was deeply affecting. The fact that the little girl shared such a strong likeness to her mother emphasised their bond, and the unfathomable loss.
Everyone who saw the picture felt invested in Maddie's story and wanted to know what would happen next. The result is that the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has become one of the most widely-reported missing persons cases in history.
The "mediatisation" of Madeleine McCann was helped further by the fact that social media platforms including Facebook and Twitter had just launched, in 2004 and 2007, offering novel new ways for promoting the story.
Kate and Gerry, too, understood from the start that the will to invest effort into finding Madeleine was related to keeping her story in the news.
Maddie's parents were "pillioried" for their media focus, Mallett says, but "they knew if Maddie slipped off the front page the likelihood of her being found diminished significantly, so engaging with the media and keeping her front and centre, was their best chance of getting her back."
The media narrative built Maddie's disappearance as a mystery: how does a child simply vanish? The media — and crucially, also the police — continued to invest in finding the answer.
Their regular press conferences marking investigation milestones and anniversaries were accompanied by more emotive images – often featuring the couple side-by-side holding a photograph of their daughter, reminiscent of something biblical in the way it was constructed, subtly emphasising the idea that Maddie represented a "perfect victim".
The use of an early iconic photograph is a tactic that has assisted the campaigns for William Tyrrell and Cleo Smith, too, says Mallett.
"We all know the boy in the Spiderman suit," she says. "These are images that stay with you."
A 'perfect' victim
Defining Maddie as what criminologists call a "perfect victim" – someone who in the eyes of the public is totally blameless for their situation – helped build a sense of urgency to find her, Mallett says.
The story of this little girl, snatched from her bed while on holiday, described a scenario of intense vulnerability that triggered deep emotion in anyone who heard it regardless of whether they were a parent or not.
"Of course all victims are innocent but, unfortunately, we do tend to rank this idea. You'll hear conversations like "Oh well, you know, they were doing something risky"," Mallett says. "The perfect victim is somebody who was harmed through literally no fault of their own."
Once again, this aspect of the William Tyrrell and Cleo Smith cases was successfully emphasised as a method for galvanising ongoing public interest and support.
When we have our perfect victim, our "good guy", human biology comes into play, Mallett says. The loss of a child is something we can all relate to, and it reaches deep into the human psyche, exposing existential fears about safety and survival.
"If something's happened to a child, I think that pretty much rocks everybody," Mallett says.
Humans are hardwired to protect our youngest – biologically, they represent our future and when they go missing this tears at our sense of order in the world.
The investigations that follow abductions take us deep into the lives of these children – we learn about their personalities, we see their bedrooms and backyards, and study images of their favourite toys.
Following Maddie's disappearance Kate carried around a pink soft toy belonging to her daughter and spoke of the last time she was with her daughter — reading her favourite book If You're Happy and You Know It together.
We follow investigations into their disappearances like the minutes of a sporting match. There are good guys and bad guys and the entire community becomes bonded by the emotional investment in "victory" for our team.
Yet the McCann case also exposed inequalities in the way missing person cases are handled. Gerry and Kate, both doctors, had the intelligence and insights to drive a media campaign and their privileged middle-class background also matched stereotypes about what a "perfect victim" might look like.
"Millions of dollars have been poured into [the search] and it's unique in that sense because while every missing child deserves to be found, there are lots of missing children and very few of them receive this level of investment," Mallett says.
The investigation strategy
From the beginning, the search for Madeleine McCann faced a series of sliding doors moments that became torturous "what ifs".
What if the holiday apartment had been properly sealed off as a crime scene to preserve evidence and early investigations by Portuguese police had been more focused?
What if crucial clues, such as reports of a man leaving the resort carrying a sleeping child, had been quickly followed up?
What if Madeleine's parents had never been labelled as key suspects, throwing the investigation off track for weeks?
What if Scotland Yard had opened its own investigation far sooner than 2011?
These are questions that Graham Hill has spent years pondering and says he has never shaken "serious misgivings about the quality of the search strategy".
Hill was a British detective and expert in predatory sex offenders when he was seconded to Portugal to help search for Madeleine.
He met Kate and Gerry to discuss the case, but had little comfort to offer. As the days ticked on the chances of finding Madeleine alive fell exponentially with most abducted children killed within six hours of disappearing.
"It was a difficult conversation," Hill wrote in an article for The Conversation. "But I was struck by how focused the McCanns remained throughout."
Mallett says that one of the lessons to emerge from the McCann case is the importance of running several simultaneous enquiries: "Exploring the possibility of abduction as well as misadventure as well as the child simply wandering off or something happening within the family."
With the first 48 hours crucial in maximising the chance a missing child will be found alive, there simply is not time to run only one line of investigation, then switch to the next if it is unsuccessful, Mallett argues.
This strategy of multiple investigations was helpful in finding Cleo Smith, Mallett believes, adding that the very early offer of a large reward was another clever initiative.
"Only a few days into her being missing a large reward was offered," she says. "That is very unusual and even if it didn't have a direct impact what it did do is keep Cleo in the public's mind and keep people talking about her."
Finding the perpetrator
Of course, all of these strategies feel meaningless if the child isn't found or if a perpetrator isn't brought to justice.
And notwithstanding Mallett's advice to run multiple lines of inquiry from the get-go, when a child goes missing suspicion almost always first turns to the family.
Criminologists like Mallett are trained to pick up subtle shifts that can be crucial in suggesting guilt or innocence. But Mallett and her colleagues never wavered from a belief that Kate and Gerry were innocent.
"When a caregiver is responsible for the death of a child they tend not to use the name because it almost personalises the individual," she says. "They refer to them as "he" or "she" as a way of psychologically distancing themselves. If a parent is doing that when a child is missing it's a red flag."
Kate and Gerry never stopped referring to their daughter by name. In the first emotional press conference following their daughter's disappearance, Gerry asked for "any information related to Madeleine's disappearance, no matter how trivial" and begged, "Please, if you have Madeleine, let her come home to her mummy, daddy, brother and sister."
'Predators and prey'
Mallett, like most experts familiar with the case, is convinced Madeleine was abducted and over the years suspects have ranged from lone wolf paedophiles to organised crime gangs who deliver children to sex trafficking rings.
Mallett does not believe Madeleine was taken "to order" but was more likely the victim of an individual paedophile.
"There are predators and there are prey. It's just part of the animal kingdom, isn't it," Mallett says with devastating simplicity. "And so when there's an opportunity to take advantage of a situation someone will always leverage that."
She emphasises that while an individual's perversion is responsible for some child abductions, money remains "a huge driver for sex trafficking".
"The people who traffic people don't see them as different to any other commodity. They are totally emotionally disengaged," Mallett says.
Following Cleo Smith's abduction police were quick to begin scouring the dark web for any sign of her being offered for sale. While that was thankfully not the case it remains an important consideration whenever a child goes missing, Mallett believes.
"I don't think people understand that beneath the genuine economy is the black economy that views an abducted child as nothing more than an opportunity to access a new source of revenue," she says.
'Born evil'
The latest suspect in Madeleine's disappearance does nothing to bring comfort or closure.
In 2020 German police put forward the name of Christian Brueckner, a 45-year-old convicted paedophile and rapist who was known to live close to the Ocean Club where he also worked casually.
In a rare show of certainty, German public prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has claimed to be "100 per cent sure" Brueckner was Madeleine's abductor. Yet Wolters also says he cannot reveal the information that has led to this conclusion, saying only that "If you knew the evidence we had you would come to the same conclusion".
Wolters has suggested that ongoing charges mean information implicating Brueckner cannot be revealed, and that despite his sincere believe this is the man who took Maddie, legal complications could mean he is never brought to justice.
Mallett says her understanding of Brueckner builds a picture of "a monster".
Public records portray Broeckner as a man obsessed with pre-pubescent girls, videoed his assaults and murdered his victims after keeping them alive for significant portions of time, she says.
"This man was born evil," Mallett believes. "He is the embodiment of the bogeyman, the worst of the worst, a sadistic psychopathic offender."
Kate and Gerry have consistently said they want to know the truth of what happened to their daughter, "whatever the outcome may be".
Yet Mallett says in some ways she hopes the evidence against Broeckner is not conclusive.
"That poor family, waiting all these years to find out what happened, but the answer is literally their worst nightmare … It would break most people," Mallett says.
How do you pick up the pieces?
As the McCann's face down another anniversary of their daughter's disappearance and another birthday without her, it's clear why they describe May as the most difficult month.
The problem of finding the person who abducted her feels almost insignificant beside the daily task of continuing to live life without her, and with the terrible knowledge of what is most likely to have happened to her.
Mallett, who has spent a large portion of her career working with the families of murder victims says "closure is never a word that they use".
"Even when they've had a resolution, it can help them move on but it will always be with them," she says. "Sometimes even 50 years later you see the trauma. It's intergenerational. It's a pain that travels through the family."
For this reason, powerful bonds can develop between families who have suffered similar tragedies.
Denise and Bruce Morcombe's son Daniel was 13 when he was abducted in 2003 while waiting at a bus stop, and later murdered.
The Morcombes had dinner with the McCanns in England in 2011 and have described the meeting "as like looking in the mirror".
"It was amazing how quickly we communicated even though it was the first time we'd ever met," Bruce has said, adding the couples shared how they coped.
Everyday life for the McCann's is now low profile – apart from their regular and deliberate engagement with the media.
Despite the enormity of what happened in Portugal in 2007, Kate and Gerry McCann have had to carry on parenting their twins who would have little memory of their big sister and yet live with the inherited trauma of what happened to her.
The family is believed to still live in Leicestershire where Madeleine grew up until her disappearance. They have a house in the village of Rothley and the twins – Sean and Amelie, now 16 — attend a nearby Catholic high school.
Gerry, a professor of cardiology, works at the University of Leicester.
Kate, a GP, stopped practising after Madeleine's disappearance to devote time to searching for her, and to charity work, but the COVID pandemic triggered her return to work in hospitals around Leicester.
The story of Madeleine McCann is one that has touched almost every corner of the globe, yet we are still waiting for the final episode. And even if a resolution is reached, it is very hard indeed to imagine there will be a happy ending.
Whether the official investigation into her disappearance by Britain's Metropolitan Police concludes or not, any parent who has lost a child to abduction knows this is a search without end.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-27/madeleine-mccann-abduction-missing-cleo-william-shayla/100941730
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How sad that they 'have had to carry on parenting their twins'.
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Kate pacing backwards and forwards almost catatonic !
Well which one was it ?
Kate and Gerry never stopped referring to their daughter by name !
A child , the child , that child , a little girl !
Which name was it Madeleine or Maddie ?
Low profile !!! Don't make me laugh
Well which one was it ?
Kate and Gerry never stopped referring to their daughter by name !
A child , the child , that child , a little girl !
Which name was it Madeleine or Maddie ?
Low profile !!! Don't make me laugh
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Madeleine inquiry in the UK: questions still needing answers
By Len Port -27th March 2022
Operation Grange is expected to be shelved this autumn.
Madeleine McCann has been making headline news internationally yet again as the London Metropolitan Police investigation into her disappearance is reportedly going to be shelved this autumn.
I wonder if the Met’s Operation Grange has been deeply flawed from the very start and could that have something to do with the British ‘establishment’, a network that is said to include top politicians, billionaire newspaper owners and some leading police officers? But now we’re getting into the realm of speculation. Let’s not go there. Let’s stick with some of the facts as we know them.
The UK charity Missing People says that 140,000 people go missing in Britain every year. That’s 383 a day. Two thirds of the cases examined by the charity are under 18 years-of-age. So, why did the British government, diplomats and certain other influential individuals immediately give unprecedented support to the parents of this particular missing child? That’s the first of many fundamental questions that need answering.
Operation Grange destined to fail?
The review and investigation conducted by Operation Grange, a special unit set up within London’s police force more than a decade ago, was always destined to fail, according to a well-known, distinguished London detective who said he would not get involved in the case because the official remit of Operation Grange was to investigate the “abduction” in the Algarve as if it had taken place in the UK. Why such a limited remit when suspicions hovered over Madeleine’s parents and while there was very little credible evidence that Madeleine had been abducted?
Why was Operation Grange told to turn a blind eye to the possible criminal involvement of Madeleine’s parents or their holidaying friends, which is the normal starting point in missing children’s cases? If neither the parents nor friends were involved, which may indeed be so, a standard investigation including them would have cleared their names, which the Portuguese police probe has never done.
Why did such a limited investigation, which followed the review launched in May 2011, carry on and on with British Home Office approval at a cost to British taxpayers that has reached £13 million? That’s over €15 million or more than $16 million.
People of Praia da Luz feel insulted
Why have the British news media – especially the ‘red-tops’, but also some of the ‘quality broadsheets’ – become so biased and sycophantic in their reporting by always referring to Madeleine’s “abduction” without adding a word such as “alleged” or “suspected”, and without questioning other possibilities? Why has The Sun, owned by the American-based billionaire Rupert Murdoch, been so privy to the little information dribbling out about the Operation Grange investigation? And why has the British press long been castigating the Portuguese police and implying that the peaceful resort of Praia da Luz was a den of iniquity, an insult that the local residents emphatically deny?
Has Operation Grange ever properly considered that Madeleine may have disappeared several days before her parents raised the alarm on May 3, or did that exceed their remit? A private research project carefully examined local weather conditions during the week of the McCanns’ holiday. The analysis concluded that the date and time of the so-called “Last Photo” on a camera used by Kate McCann must have been doctored. There had been plenty of time to make fake changes because the camera and photo were not presented to the Portuguese police for examination until May 24, a couple of days after Gerry McCann returned from a short visit to the UK. Operation Grange was fully informed about all this, but to no avail. Why?
Convicted paedophile Christian Bruckner and his lawyer have totally denied any involvement, yet German prosecutors claim they are 100% certain that Madeleine is dead, and that Bruckner killed her. But if they had such certainty, why have they not charged him? The German authorities did not share whatever evidence they had with Operation Grange who insist they do not know whether Madeleine is alive or dead. “It seems extraordinary our officers are so much in the dark,” said a former senior Met officer. “It begs the question, why we are still bothering to run an inquiry if the Germans are so dominant?”
Offer to help examine DNA samples ignored
Among the other things Operation Grange has showed no interest in is the remarkable offer by Dr Mark Perlin, chief scientist and executive of an American company, Cybergenetics, which is reputed to have the world’s most advanced equipment and methods to examine and identify DNA samples. Asked by an Australian news outlet if he could help in the Madeleine case, Dr Perlin said he would gladly analyse forensic samples found by specialist dogs in the McCanns’ holiday apartment and in a car they had hired 25 days after the reported disappearance. He said he could decipher 18 previously unsolvable DNA samples dating back to 2007.
A now defunct laboratory in the UK had been unable to come to any proper conclusions about them. Despite the lapse of time, Dr Perlin was optimistic that if the samples were sent to him, he and his team could accurately identify the DNA in less than a fortnight. He offered his services to Operation Grange free of charge, but he got no response. Dr Perlin extended the offer to Gerry McCann, but he did not respond either. Again, one wonders why.
Neither the British Home Office nor anyone else connected with Operation Grange have been open and transparent about the limited investigation, but questions about it will not go away because the operation is widely perceived – rightly or wrongly – as having been a sham, some sort of cover-up.
Madeleine deserves justice
Surely the public, who have long been fascinated, if not obsessed, with the most discussed and reported missing person case in history, should be allowed straightforward answers to reasonable questions.
The Portuguese people offended by British news reports and Operation Grange visits to Praia da Luz, and the British taxpayers who have funded the investigation without any say in the matter, deserve honest explanations. Most of all, Madeleine deserves justice.
https://www.portugalresident.com/madeleine-inquiry-in-the-uk-questions-still-needing-answers/
By Len Port -27th March 2022
Operation Grange is expected to be shelved this autumn.
Madeleine McCann has been making headline news internationally yet again as the London Metropolitan Police investigation into her disappearance is reportedly going to be shelved this autumn.
I wonder if the Met’s Operation Grange has been deeply flawed from the very start and could that have something to do with the British ‘establishment’, a network that is said to include top politicians, billionaire newspaper owners and some leading police officers? But now we’re getting into the realm of speculation. Let’s not go there. Let’s stick with some of the facts as we know them.
The UK charity Missing People says that 140,000 people go missing in Britain every year. That’s 383 a day. Two thirds of the cases examined by the charity are under 18 years-of-age. So, why did the British government, diplomats and certain other influential individuals immediately give unprecedented support to the parents of this particular missing child? That’s the first of many fundamental questions that need answering.
Operation Grange destined to fail?
The review and investigation conducted by Operation Grange, a special unit set up within London’s police force more than a decade ago, was always destined to fail, according to a well-known, distinguished London detective who said he would not get involved in the case because the official remit of Operation Grange was to investigate the “abduction” in the Algarve as if it had taken place in the UK. Why such a limited remit when suspicions hovered over Madeleine’s parents and while there was very little credible evidence that Madeleine had been abducted?
Why was Operation Grange told to turn a blind eye to the possible criminal involvement of Madeleine’s parents or their holidaying friends, which is the normal starting point in missing children’s cases? If neither the parents nor friends were involved, which may indeed be so, a standard investigation including them would have cleared their names, which the Portuguese police probe has never done.
Why did such a limited investigation, which followed the review launched in May 2011, carry on and on with British Home Office approval at a cost to British taxpayers that has reached £13 million? That’s over €15 million or more than $16 million.
People of Praia da Luz feel insulted
Why have the British news media – especially the ‘red-tops’, but also some of the ‘quality broadsheets’ – become so biased and sycophantic in their reporting by always referring to Madeleine’s “abduction” without adding a word such as “alleged” or “suspected”, and without questioning other possibilities? Why has The Sun, owned by the American-based billionaire Rupert Murdoch, been so privy to the little information dribbling out about the Operation Grange investigation? And why has the British press long been castigating the Portuguese police and implying that the peaceful resort of Praia da Luz was a den of iniquity, an insult that the local residents emphatically deny?
Has Operation Grange ever properly considered that Madeleine may have disappeared several days before her parents raised the alarm on May 3, or did that exceed their remit? A private research project carefully examined local weather conditions during the week of the McCanns’ holiday. The analysis concluded that the date and time of the so-called “Last Photo” on a camera used by Kate McCann must have been doctored. There had been plenty of time to make fake changes because the camera and photo were not presented to the Portuguese police for examination until May 24, a couple of days after Gerry McCann returned from a short visit to the UK. Operation Grange was fully informed about all this, but to no avail. Why?
Convicted paedophile Christian Bruckner and his lawyer have totally denied any involvement, yet German prosecutors claim they are 100% certain that Madeleine is dead, and that Bruckner killed her. But if they had such certainty, why have they not charged him? The German authorities did not share whatever evidence they had with Operation Grange who insist they do not know whether Madeleine is alive or dead. “It seems extraordinary our officers are so much in the dark,” said a former senior Met officer. “It begs the question, why we are still bothering to run an inquiry if the Germans are so dominant?”
Offer to help examine DNA samples ignored
Among the other things Operation Grange has showed no interest in is the remarkable offer by Dr Mark Perlin, chief scientist and executive of an American company, Cybergenetics, which is reputed to have the world’s most advanced equipment and methods to examine and identify DNA samples. Asked by an Australian news outlet if he could help in the Madeleine case, Dr Perlin said he would gladly analyse forensic samples found by specialist dogs in the McCanns’ holiday apartment and in a car they had hired 25 days after the reported disappearance. He said he could decipher 18 previously unsolvable DNA samples dating back to 2007.
A now defunct laboratory in the UK had been unable to come to any proper conclusions about them. Despite the lapse of time, Dr Perlin was optimistic that if the samples were sent to him, he and his team could accurately identify the DNA in less than a fortnight. He offered his services to Operation Grange free of charge, but he got no response. Dr Perlin extended the offer to Gerry McCann, but he did not respond either. Again, one wonders why.
Neither the British Home Office nor anyone else connected with Operation Grange have been open and transparent about the limited investigation, but questions about it will not go away because the operation is widely perceived – rightly or wrongly – as having been a sham, some sort of cover-up.
Madeleine deserves justice
Surely the public, who have long been fascinated, if not obsessed, with the most discussed and reported missing person case in history, should be allowed straightforward answers to reasonable questions.
The Portuguese people offended by British news reports and Operation Grange visits to Praia da Luz, and the British taxpayers who have funded the investigation without any say in the matter, deserve honest explanations. Most of all, Madeleine deserves justice.
https://www.portugalresident.com/madeleine-inquiry-in-the-uk-questions-still-needing-answers/
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Great paragraph beginning:
*Has Operation Grange ever properly considered...*
Is there anywhere we can add comments to Len Port's article?
*Has Operation Grange ever properly considered...*
Is there anywhere we can add comments to Len Port's article?
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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"
Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".
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Tony Bennett wrote:Great paragraph beginning:
*Has Operation Grange ever properly considered...*
Is there anywhere we can add comments to Len Port's article?
Here https://algarvenewswatch.blogspot.com/
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Offer to help examine DNA samples ignored
Among the other things Operation Grange has showed no interest in is the remarkable offer by Dr Mark Perlin, chief scientist and executive of an American company, Cybergenetics, which is reputed to have the world’s most advanced equipment and methods to examine and identify DNA samples. Asked by an Australian news outlet if he could help in the Madeleine case, Dr Perlin said he would gladly analyse forensic samples found by specialist dogs in the McCanns’ holiday apartment and in a car they had hired 25 days after the reported disappearance. He said he could decipher 18 previously unsolvable DNA samples dating back to 2007.
The McCann's have said "They will leave no stone unturned" in the search for Madeleine, so why are they not putting pressure on Scotland Yard to send the samples to Dr. Perlin.
Could it be the samples no longer exist, read "lost or destoyed" here, because they and Scotland Yard already know what the samples show.
They had no problem handing over vast amounts of money to a suspect detective agency, or contacting an ex policeman from Australia with a highly secret person finding machine.
Among the other things Operation Grange has showed no interest in is the remarkable offer by Dr Mark Perlin, chief scientist and executive of an American company, Cybergenetics, which is reputed to have the world’s most advanced equipment and methods to examine and identify DNA samples. Asked by an Australian news outlet if he could help in the Madeleine case, Dr Perlin said he would gladly analyse forensic samples found by specialist dogs in the McCanns’ holiday apartment and in a car they had hired 25 days after the reported disappearance. He said he could decipher 18 previously unsolvable DNA samples dating back to 2007.
The McCann's have said "They will leave no stone unturned" in the search for Madeleine, so why are they not putting pressure on Scotland Yard to send the samples to Dr. Perlin.
Could it be the samples no longer exist, read "lost or destoyed" here, because they and Scotland Yard already know what the samples show.
They had no problem handing over vast amounts of money to a suspect detective agency, or contacting an ex policeman from Australia with a highly secret person finding machine.
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it’s because they know the answers & probably the samples were destroyedcrusader wrote:Offer to help examine DNA samples ignored
Among the other things Operation Grange has showed no interest in is the remarkable offer by Dr Mark Perlin, chief scientist and executive of an American company, Cybergenetics, which is reputed to have the world’s most advanced equipment and methods to examine and identify DNA samples. Asked by an Australian news outlet if he could help in the Madeleine case, Dr Perlin said he would gladly analyse forensic samples found by specialist dogs in the McCanns’ holiday apartment and in a car they had hired 25 days after the reported disappearance. He said he could decipher 18 previously unsolvable DNA samples dating back to 2007.
The McCann's have said "They will leave no stone unturned" in the search for Madeleine, so why are they not putting pressure on Scotland Yard to send the samples to Dr. Perlin.
Could it be the samples no longer exist, read "lost or destoyed" here, because they and Scotland Yard already know what the samples show.
They had no problem handing over vast amounts of money to a suspect detective agency, or contacting an ex policeman from Australia with a highly secret person finding machine.
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when you do a dna test, that part of the total sample always will be destroyed, so in most cases it is trying to use never more than half of the original sample, most times the sample just exists of a cotton swab, you just cut a piece of the cotton tip, under as sterile as possible circumstances.
that small piece has to undergo some chemical handling to free the dna itself out of cells and other non dna compounds.
so it means you can never go twice on that sample, all besides the dna itself will be gone, the dna itself is used up in the rest of the testing.
and because those labs have to run by a lot of security in their testing, there are always control samples running aside at the same time, there is little need for that second chance of these steps.
for true retesting just the rest of the cotton tip will be present.
to produce a dna sample for analysis there is a whole lot of handling, it is usually seen as a separate task.
that is only step 1, step 2 is to read out the dna, decoding it. even than you only have the dna.
as far as i can find, perlin's system is based in the third part of this work, and that is looking in who's dna it could be, his system does not say simply yes or no, his software true allele use a lot of statistics and most would be done by a computer.
one of the troublesome parts of dna testing is the use of the pcr technique, to get a read out you need quite a lot of dna, a sample in forensics will deliver mostly low results, so at the end of step 1 pcr is used to replicate the dna in the purified sample, but the problem with pcr technique is, it will copy every bit of dna, it is not a selective instrument to use to only replicate only the dna of exactly one living organism.
also because of the replications, there is a strong possibility pieces of the original dna in the test are not exact copies, some parts could loose small bits, others could even gain some small bits, with small it means only to see under a very good microscope.
because of the technique of lcn dna testing that was used on most of the mccann case samples, done in the uk, what means there is extremely very little of a sample to start with, and there are more cycles of replication done than in other ways of dna testing, there is always more chance to get pieces that just f..k up your results.
perlins software is able to use a lot of math and statistics to look at the possibly mixed sample, so it is able to give an estimate about real or unreal mixing in other dna, or of it was more likely a possible result of the pcr replication.
as far as i could find, he just would need the full original read outs of the test results of the samples and all of the dna of possible donors.
the problem with those newer techniques is , it takes years before the courts except it for use in criminal cases. lcn dna testing never started very well, it was not very populair because it was very expensive, and had a very large turn over of faulty results. i most cases there is no budget for a lot of results that are named as inconclusive or mixed.
if you look into the forensic reporting in the files you see examples like possibly from 3, to even 5 contributions of persons. perlins software is said to be able to look into the read out of the dna if it is likely to be from 3 or more people, or any number, it could be one and the same and a result of the lcn technique and the pcr replications mistakes made in it.
all these results are usually bound into a casebook, but it is also possible the head researcher of a lab keeps them, under law he as responsible producent owns usually the results, but it is common most of it will finds its way to the forensic services of a country. i had full copies of all we used as evidence also in my case files. they are not in the pj files, and you have to look for at least a gap of 20 pages, and that are the short ones, for all samples and donors of samples to test against it must be a full ordner for this case.
because it was ment to go to a court in portugal it is less likely their would not be a full report of all dna testing in the hands of the forensic services in portugal itself. because of ownership it could be it never would be part of the police files itself, like the video of the airport =owned by that airport, so not in the police files.
also over so many years you get often trouble to get people who once did give their dna for this case, to find all of them to sign of a affidavit to use it again. most countries have some law that given dna can only be hold in files for a period of time, as long as it is from innocent people, who are not part of a possible crime in that case.
and as far it is to make out of the paperwork, all dna testing in the uk was done under portuguese autority, it means the uk can do legally nothing. so even if they have a copy of the full analysis under operation grange they can not legally give a permission to use this by a non accepted software technology out of their own state.
so to make use of the dna analitical results, you need compliance of john lowe, possibly also the cps of the uk, that is responsible for forensic services, and after that mostly the portuguese justice department.
because the re-analysis will take place outside of the uk, the legal guardian of madeleine beth mccann, has to give permission, that are not kate and gerry mccann. the last for the use of her dna.
dna of a natural person has the same worth as a footor a body of a natural person under law, it has the highest form of regulations because of rights of privacy. it has the most red tape they could find around it.
so just send some to the usa is far to simple. perlins software is indeed a fair chance to get some answers, but not all answers. if all heads in this party want it, it could be possible, not that easy, but with some good willing heads it has a chance.
only perlins analytical software does not tell if the dna is the result of a living or dead donor, or from what type of cells is a result. in that sense it will not really change what we know by know.
more evidence that could help really is finding a way to test the tiles and grout from behind the sofa, most of it is kept in portugal. if they found a way to find out if and how much blood must have been there it could fulfill the likelihood that it was enough to leading to a dead child of that age and body.
even if perlins system can tell it was madeleines dna, is does not really tells how it got there, madeleine had legally access to 5a, and things could have been transported on a later time containing dna to the laster rented car. it could make a certain theory stronger, more likely, but it would not be proof in itself of anything.
it would have more influence on the public frames of mind, than the investigation. i'm all into being sure about the findings, but finding dna of a victim in a place it had all legal reasons to be present works very different , than finding it on any other place she would not have any reason to be. i know every pro mccann barkes til today there was not found any blood of dna of madeleine, but they only will change it in just other non sense, like but she was there legally, or it was just escaped dna from clothes and shoes, like they already often reach out to.
but scotland yard, or operation grange or gerry mccann are just the wrong people to ask for permission, they have both none to give. gerry could have given consent for the use of his own dna and that of the still under age twins, but not for that of madeleine, she is still ward of the courts.
that small piece has to undergo some chemical handling to free the dna itself out of cells and other non dna compounds.
so it means you can never go twice on that sample, all besides the dna itself will be gone, the dna itself is used up in the rest of the testing.
and because those labs have to run by a lot of security in their testing, there are always control samples running aside at the same time, there is little need for that second chance of these steps.
for true retesting just the rest of the cotton tip will be present.
to produce a dna sample for analysis there is a whole lot of handling, it is usually seen as a separate task.
that is only step 1, step 2 is to read out the dna, decoding it. even than you only have the dna.
as far as i can find, perlin's system is based in the third part of this work, and that is looking in who's dna it could be, his system does not say simply yes or no, his software true allele use a lot of statistics and most would be done by a computer.
one of the troublesome parts of dna testing is the use of the pcr technique, to get a read out you need quite a lot of dna, a sample in forensics will deliver mostly low results, so at the end of step 1 pcr is used to replicate the dna in the purified sample, but the problem with pcr technique is, it will copy every bit of dna, it is not a selective instrument to use to only replicate only the dna of exactly one living organism.
also because of the replications, there is a strong possibility pieces of the original dna in the test are not exact copies, some parts could loose small bits, others could even gain some small bits, with small it means only to see under a very good microscope.
because of the technique of lcn dna testing that was used on most of the mccann case samples, done in the uk, what means there is extremely very little of a sample to start with, and there are more cycles of replication done than in other ways of dna testing, there is always more chance to get pieces that just f..k up your results.
perlins software is able to use a lot of math and statistics to look at the possibly mixed sample, so it is able to give an estimate about real or unreal mixing in other dna, or of it was more likely a possible result of the pcr replication.
as far as i could find, he just would need the full original read outs of the test results of the samples and all of the dna of possible donors.
the problem with those newer techniques is , it takes years before the courts except it for use in criminal cases. lcn dna testing never started very well, it was not very populair because it was very expensive, and had a very large turn over of faulty results. i most cases there is no budget for a lot of results that are named as inconclusive or mixed.
if you look into the forensic reporting in the files you see examples like possibly from 3, to even 5 contributions of persons. perlins software is said to be able to look into the read out of the dna if it is likely to be from 3 or more people, or any number, it could be one and the same and a result of the lcn technique and the pcr replications mistakes made in it.
all these results are usually bound into a casebook, but it is also possible the head researcher of a lab keeps them, under law he as responsible producent owns usually the results, but it is common most of it will finds its way to the forensic services of a country. i had full copies of all we used as evidence also in my case files. they are not in the pj files, and you have to look for at least a gap of 20 pages, and that are the short ones, for all samples and donors of samples to test against it must be a full ordner for this case.
because it was ment to go to a court in portugal it is less likely their would not be a full report of all dna testing in the hands of the forensic services in portugal itself. because of ownership it could be it never would be part of the police files itself, like the video of the airport =owned by that airport, so not in the police files.
also over so many years you get often trouble to get people who once did give their dna for this case, to find all of them to sign of a affidavit to use it again. most countries have some law that given dna can only be hold in files for a period of time, as long as it is from innocent people, who are not part of a possible crime in that case.
and as far it is to make out of the paperwork, all dna testing in the uk was done under portuguese autority, it means the uk can do legally nothing. so even if they have a copy of the full analysis under operation grange they can not legally give a permission to use this by a non accepted software technology out of their own state.
so to make use of the dna analitical results, you need compliance of john lowe, possibly also the cps of the uk, that is responsible for forensic services, and after that mostly the portuguese justice department.
because the re-analysis will take place outside of the uk, the legal guardian of madeleine beth mccann, has to give permission, that are not kate and gerry mccann. the last for the use of her dna.
dna of a natural person has the same worth as a footor a body of a natural person under law, it has the highest form of regulations because of rights of privacy. it has the most red tape they could find around it.
so just send some to the usa is far to simple. perlins software is indeed a fair chance to get some answers, but not all answers. if all heads in this party want it, it could be possible, not that easy, but with some good willing heads it has a chance.
only perlins analytical software does not tell if the dna is the result of a living or dead donor, or from what type of cells is a result. in that sense it will not really change what we know by know.
more evidence that could help really is finding a way to test the tiles and grout from behind the sofa, most of it is kept in portugal. if they found a way to find out if and how much blood must have been there it could fulfill the likelihood that it was enough to leading to a dead child of that age and body.
even if perlins system can tell it was madeleines dna, is does not really tells how it got there, madeleine had legally access to 5a, and things could have been transported on a later time containing dna to the laster rented car. it could make a certain theory stronger, more likely, but it would not be proof in itself of anything.
it would have more influence on the public frames of mind, than the investigation. i'm all into being sure about the findings, but finding dna of a victim in a place it had all legal reasons to be present works very different , than finding it on any other place she would not have any reason to be. i know every pro mccann barkes til today there was not found any blood of dna of madeleine, but they only will change it in just other non sense, like but she was there legally, or it was just escaped dna from clothes and shoes, like they already often reach out to.
but scotland yard, or operation grange or gerry mccann are just the wrong people to ask for permission, they have both none to give. gerry could have given consent for the use of his own dna and that of the still under age twins, but not for that of madeleine, she is still ward of the courts.
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Re: END OF THE ROAD Madeleine McCann inquiry to END after 11 years as fears grow prime suspect WON’T be charged
I think Dr Mark Perlin should be carefully scrutinized before raising questions about refusal to accept his offer of free services in the Madeleine McCann case, for starters it could be said that police forces are sceptical about his methodology.
Granted his credentials look good on paper and clearly he has extensive qualifications and experience in a number of disciplines but it's not Dr Perlin's personal attributes that particularly concern me, it's more his cybergenetic company that needs to be questioned .... and answered.
Would you like to be judged by computer technology? It could be argued that a computer is not corruptible as opposed to humankind but we all know that to be a falsehood, I venture to suggest it easier to corrupt a computer than a human being, after all, who is behind the computer if not a human being. The most worrying thing here, correct me if I'm wrong, Dr Perlin is very covetous about his trade mark and he operates a company for profit. If engaging a company to undertake a service - science, in this instance a service that claims to assist criminal investigations using cyber forensics, surely you would wish to know detail of the mechanics before accepting paper evidence !?!
I think I've said before, it's akin to the South African industrial all weather all terrain sludge gulper that claims to locate body remains by cutting edge technology. Progress is of course great, for the most part, but proof and/or evidence of reliability is a must before accepting word of mouth.
If I remember rightly, this issue was launched into cyberspace by the Australian journalist Mark Saunokonoko some long time ago. It was swiftly accepted and widely circulated across social media, a particular group favoured by Mr Saunokonoko I have to say, with little or no research into the whys and wherefores. In short, as with so many topics concerning Madeleine McCann's disappearance, people just go along with anything they're told without question.
I question the authenticity/reliability of Dr Perlin's trade mark as I don't doubt any competent police force would also question.
Granted his credentials look good on paper and clearly he has extensive qualifications and experience in a number of disciplines but it's not Dr Perlin's personal attributes that particularly concern me, it's more his cybergenetic company that needs to be questioned .... and answered.
Would you like to be judged by computer technology? It could be argued that a computer is not corruptible as opposed to humankind but we all know that to be a falsehood, I venture to suggest it easier to corrupt a computer than a human being, after all, who is behind the computer if not a human being. The most worrying thing here, correct me if I'm wrong, Dr Perlin is very covetous about his trade mark and he operates a company for profit. If engaging a company to undertake a service - science, in this instance a service that claims to assist criminal investigations using cyber forensics, surely you would wish to know detail of the mechanics before accepting paper evidence !?!
I think I've said before, it's akin to the South African industrial all weather all terrain sludge gulper that claims to locate body remains by cutting edge technology. Progress is of course great, for the most part, but proof and/or evidence of reliability is a must before accepting word of mouth.
If I remember rightly, this issue was launched into cyberspace by the Australian journalist Mark Saunokonoko some long time ago. It was swiftly accepted and widely circulated across social media, a particular group favoured by Mr Saunokonoko I have to say, with little or no research into the whys and wherefores. In short, as with so many topics concerning Madeleine McCann's disappearance, people just go along with anything they're told without question.
I question the authenticity/reliability of Dr Perlin's trade mark as I don't doubt any competent police force would also question.
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Re: END OF THE ROAD Madeleine McCann inquiry to END after 11 years as fears grow prime suspect WON’T be charged
Look long and hard at this good people, rip it apart word by word for what it's worth. Fifteen years down the line and this drivel is allowed to broadcast as though it's a given right - the last vestige of hope for a secure future free from the fear of prosecution.
Following weeks months and years of circumlocution, this is to be the grande finale? A German man of no significance to lead the case into oblivion - never to be resurrected, never to be questioned by anyone or anything?
As I've said before, the Metropolitan Police in the guise of Operation Grange, are not important as regards the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. The Portuguese police are the primary investigators, always have been always will be, Operations Grange and various other British police forces were/are only there to assist the Portuguese investigation - when requested !!!.
Operation Grange have no authority to conclude the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, only the Portuguese law enforcement agencies can do that. The German authorities have no authority to investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, they can investigate their own countryman for suspected crimes but in this case they can only 'assist' the Portuguese investigation.
As with the COVID-19 pandemic and now the Russian/Ukrainian conflict, Britain seems to think itself leader in world affairs -but of course it's not! In truth it is but a media based trumpet fanfare of self importance.
This video is wrong on every account.
Gerry and Kate McCann are the prime suspects in the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine. The Portuguese investigation culminated with interviewing both in September 2007 where they were named arguidos. Roughly translated - suspects or persons of interest, that status has never changed, the McCanns fled the country, Portugal, within hours of said interviews. They never seized and opportunity to clear their names, instead they opted run away.
Seriously, who would do that. Who would run away leaving but a memory of a lost child, your own child, just to save your bacon.
I don't think anymore need be said - the guilt hangs over them like a dank cloud in the middle of December. That cloud will never dissipate, maybe that will be their fate - their magnum opus, their destiny. They might reach higher heights, the professor might elevate to the House of Lords whilst the other one a contemporary Joan of Arc - let's not hope Lady Godiva.
Have to say, I will be sorely disappointed if the entire prolonged saga will end in a German prison cell.
Following weeks months and years of circumlocution, this is to be the grande finale? A German man of no significance to lead the case into oblivion - never to be resurrected, never to be questioned by anyone or anything?
As I've said before, the Metropolitan Police in the guise of Operation Grange, are not important as regards the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. The Portuguese police are the primary investigators, always have been always will be, Operations Grange and various other British police forces were/are only there to assist the Portuguese investigation - when requested !!!.
Operation Grange have no authority to conclude the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, only the Portuguese law enforcement agencies can do that. The German authorities have no authority to investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, they can investigate their own countryman for suspected crimes but in this case they can only 'assist' the Portuguese investigation.
As with the COVID-19 pandemic and now the Russian/Ukrainian conflict, Britain seems to think itself leader in world affairs -but of course it's not! In truth it is but a media based trumpet fanfare of self importance.
This video is wrong on every account.
Gerry and Kate McCann are the prime suspects in the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine. The Portuguese investigation culminated with interviewing both in September 2007 where they were named arguidos. Roughly translated - suspects or persons of interest, that status has never changed, the McCanns fled the country, Portugal, within hours of said interviews. They never seized and opportunity to clear their names, instead they opted run away.
Seriously, who would do that. Who would run away leaving but a memory of a lost child, your own child, just to save your bacon.
I don't think anymore need be said - the guilt hangs over them like a dank cloud in the middle of December. That cloud will never dissipate, maybe that will be their fate - their magnum opus, their destiny. They might reach higher heights, the professor might elevate to the House of Lords whilst the other one a contemporary Joan of Arc - let's not hope Lady Godiva.
Have to say, I will be sorely disappointed if the entire prolonged saga will end in a German prison cell.
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Re: END OF THE ROAD Madeleine McCann inquiry to END after 11 years as fears grow prime suspect WON’T be charged
at verdi, te german use their own law, they are not in assistance to portugal in this case, they do not surrender a german national to any other jurisdiction, but have by their law the opportunity to get a german national before their own courts of law, even if the crime is happened outside of germany. and they only need assistance from portugal in this case, for information and evidence, but all of that will have to be usable under the german laws.
it also means that in germany there is in this case no statute of limitations, possibly they have some if they had to go for lesser charges than a crime against life and freedom of a minor.
the uk never had such an article of law in use in the last two decades. so they never had legal grounds to start a true own investigation. they never have been more than assisting portugal.
the big fat problem in the first part of the portuguese investigation was the british police that stepped in, there was only consent for a family liaison between family and the police in an assistant role.
the problem is the uk send a complete police force out, but when you are a police officer your function only is valid within the borders of the country you serve. it means if you have no consent to work in a function outside your own territory your credentials loose all value, so even if you are the highest ranked officer at home, in another country you are only somebody of the public.
normally the country that has a case that needs assistance, the rule is, that country has to ask for assistance and that country is free to choose from what is offered after they asked.
operation task was already on the ground around and in praia da luz, had already contact with a potential suspect before anything was arranged.
the problem with that was a legal one, all they had done, that later was needed as part of this case could be made void, because the consent was not there. and portugal has pretty strict rulings about working on a active criminal case, only the active police could do that. it is even a crime in itself.
it must have been repaired at a later time, usually that's some work for the foreign and justice department of both governments.
but at the time it started of, it was interfering into the territory of another state. and it was against the law of that country.
and the people who they send out of the uk are still not believing that they were not welcome, so there is graham hill, who was send in from ceop, he can not get around how polite, but not serious he was taken, the man still is not gotten over it. but what will he do, if tomorrow morning, a dutch officer walks into his offices and start telling what he has to do. would he welcome that officer as just what he needed, give that officer that has no recommendation letter from his government and mr. hill has no formal consent, insight into his active work.
or would that dutch officer not even get further than the front desk, were he is told in nice office language to f..k of.
well it could have been even so , that the uk not told their people they were not there under the usual consent of the country they would arrive in.
the portuguese are so awful polite to not simply give them an escort to the nearest airport and kick them out, for interfering with their laws of justice.
read the first chapters of the first book from amaral, and you can see what the portuguese had to deal with, and the other side is to find in the police manual for operation task.
and the why the uk police force was out there became very clear when all left as soon as the mccanns traveled out of portugal. job done.
but we and they know that the only remit was to get the mccanns safely back on home ground.
it means the first stepping in from the uk, was never an assisting in solving this case. the why behind it is still under covers, and i think it will be staying there for a very long time. there is the secret of national security in, or that is simply used to get it under covers for 75 years.
it is a very embarrassing episode in the history of the uk. because they gone many steps to far, miles over the borders of diplomacy. interfering within another states inland affairs is even an recognized act of war.
i think this is the reason to still keep all open, i never heard about questions asked by some member of the parlement of the uk about that act. it is never been commented on in any paper as far i can find. so the old golden rule must still be in place, do not mention it.
the solution was just legalize all uk boots on the ground after they were already stamping around in this case.
even the germans had to ask for an invitation to get a look for any information in the case. and from the reactions of the german prosecution office they learned a lot in portugal.
i must say, that even polite portuguese people were able, in a polite way to tell ceops graham hill to get lost. the man is still get wet eyes as he looks back. he still can not use his brains, to simply see he was a unwelcome guest, without any legal status, there was not even a role for online infringements in this case, and ceop had absolutely no reason to be on the ground, or have need for access to criminal information, they could have been working hard in assisting that angle just from their own offices in the uk.
but it is still going on, that the people who were illegal in their occupation in those first weeks of that investigation that are telling their impression about bungling police officers. the reality is, they just were keeping those illegal subjects busy and out of interfering with a criminal case, so there was no ground to later in court declare findings illegally gathered.
there is a very different form of reaction from people like mark harrison, because he was there on invitation. grime also.
what the uk does not want all to know is, that a lot of work is done under advisory and assistance of uk police officers, the murat angle was fully based on a profilers work, a profiler from ceop. the phone data were handed to the uk boots in a separate office. all samples taken in all of the later forensic searches are taken on instructions from the uk.
i still do not see a reason to call the work done by the portuguese police as bungling, i see a lot of bungling on the uk side, the uk do see it also, that is why there is a police manual made about operation task. it looks like there was never an instruction to keep boundaries, to respect the country of portugal and the laws and serving officers of that law given.
the jane tanner, publized as the spannish police in the form of some british officers to get at robert murat is a nice example of that. this episode was not authorized by the portuguese.
the uk had taken the nickname 'little britain' a bit to light hearted, forgetting it was still portuguese soil, and that this meant portugal had the upper hand in this case and how it must be worked.
even the second round of investigation on portuguese soils was a farce, operation grange looking for clues, or old lost socks. it looks like they got the consent to be there that time in order, it did not looked very much as a joint investigation, so portugal already did know there was nothing to find there. otherwise we would have seen portuguese police officers keeping a tail on the grangers, because otherwise it would have been hard to use findings as evidence before a portuguese court.
but it is so typical unbrittish to see still so many people with an official function still mocking about in every news item they could get a mingling in, about something that you expect they must understand. they were just nono's without consent out there.
a nono is a dutch noon for idiot, stupid or dummy, someone who thinks you need him, and you know you do not.
and indeed the video has no true word in it, what you see is the picture that is to form from later news articles. and a nice head that just read what others brewed together as news. but it is still a bit early for an april fool.
and i do see a big misunderstanding, the case of a missing person is never really closed, but you will loose any way to bring a perp before a court. we had til 2006 also a statute of limitations for serious crime with a life sentence, for murder, usually seen as the most serious crime, it was 18 years, all cases after 1988 no longer had a statute of limitations. so we have the rule if cases are reach their sol before 2006, they kept it, but others who did not are worked under the newer laws. und eu regulations each country still keeps their own responsibility for justice, but there are some agreements to try to get them a bit harmonized.
portugal did also change parts of their rules about statute of limitations, but i never found a good translation of that part of law, older law has a good official translation, but always the original is the one that counts. but they did not follow up with the later corrections.
missing persons cases that are not solved in the time you could bring someone for a court for a criminal fact, because of a sol, or lack of evidence, such cases are often still looked at, because it is seen as a duty to the people who are left behind by the victim. the case will change from finding a culprit, into finding answers and if possible a body to lay to rest. for cases were a sol no longer is a restriction, finding the person can open up the again into a criminal case.
missing in itself is no criminal offence, so that in itself would not reach a sol, but because of the lack of that it is worked under the other police task , that of assistance to who needs dat, helping out.
it has often a lot of difficulties by that, you cannot use te competencies you have in a criminal case.
more and more countries have cold case units for these kind of cases, for others it is just at hand when there is a moment of time to spend.
so again the media take you for a ride, because the case of the missing person would never be closed, but the possible criminal aspects in it will, or could be, depending on the legal possibilities.
every gone year is not easy to any evidence out there, but it can open up mouths of people who had today other priorities and are in a different environment and now able to speak.
the big fat problem with this case are simply the boundaries you can talk about it in the media, there is no true discussion or debating possible, their is an very unproven stance in the uk, that is set in stone.
think hard millions of pounds and the uk police was not even given the opportunity to proof the parents are indeed innocent. telling they are is not enough. all they did have proven is there is no other culprit in sight. no evidence of an outsider. so the portuguese were right in no outsider job.
i think the british government with their top spec brass police investigation own the portuguese people a very big excuse.
it also means that in germany there is in this case no statute of limitations, possibly they have some if they had to go for lesser charges than a crime against life and freedom of a minor.
the uk never had such an article of law in use in the last two decades. so they never had legal grounds to start a true own investigation. they never have been more than assisting portugal.
the big fat problem in the first part of the portuguese investigation was the british police that stepped in, there was only consent for a family liaison between family and the police in an assistant role.
the problem is the uk send a complete police force out, but when you are a police officer your function only is valid within the borders of the country you serve. it means if you have no consent to work in a function outside your own territory your credentials loose all value, so even if you are the highest ranked officer at home, in another country you are only somebody of the public.
normally the country that has a case that needs assistance, the rule is, that country has to ask for assistance and that country is free to choose from what is offered after they asked.
operation task was already on the ground around and in praia da luz, had already contact with a potential suspect before anything was arranged.
the problem with that was a legal one, all they had done, that later was needed as part of this case could be made void, because the consent was not there. and portugal has pretty strict rulings about working on a active criminal case, only the active police could do that. it is even a crime in itself.
it must have been repaired at a later time, usually that's some work for the foreign and justice department of both governments.
but at the time it started of, it was interfering into the territory of another state. and it was against the law of that country.
and the people who they send out of the uk are still not believing that they were not welcome, so there is graham hill, who was send in from ceop, he can not get around how polite, but not serious he was taken, the man still is not gotten over it. but what will he do, if tomorrow morning, a dutch officer walks into his offices and start telling what he has to do. would he welcome that officer as just what he needed, give that officer that has no recommendation letter from his government and mr. hill has no formal consent, insight into his active work.
or would that dutch officer not even get further than the front desk, were he is told in nice office language to f..k of.
well it could have been even so , that the uk not told their people they were not there under the usual consent of the country they would arrive in.
the portuguese are so awful polite to not simply give them an escort to the nearest airport and kick them out, for interfering with their laws of justice.
read the first chapters of the first book from amaral, and you can see what the portuguese had to deal with, and the other side is to find in the police manual for operation task.
and the why the uk police force was out there became very clear when all left as soon as the mccanns traveled out of portugal. job done.
but we and they know that the only remit was to get the mccanns safely back on home ground.
it means the first stepping in from the uk, was never an assisting in solving this case. the why behind it is still under covers, and i think it will be staying there for a very long time. there is the secret of national security in, or that is simply used to get it under covers for 75 years.
it is a very embarrassing episode in the history of the uk. because they gone many steps to far, miles over the borders of diplomacy. interfering within another states inland affairs is even an recognized act of war.
i think this is the reason to still keep all open, i never heard about questions asked by some member of the parlement of the uk about that act. it is never been commented on in any paper as far i can find. so the old golden rule must still be in place, do not mention it.
the solution was just legalize all uk boots on the ground after they were already stamping around in this case.
even the germans had to ask for an invitation to get a look for any information in the case. and from the reactions of the german prosecution office they learned a lot in portugal.
i must say, that even polite portuguese people were able, in a polite way to tell ceops graham hill to get lost. the man is still get wet eyes as he looks back. he still can not use his brains, to simply see he was a unwelcome guest, without any legal status, there was not even a role for online infringements in this case, and ceop had absolutely no reason to be on the ground, or have need for access to criminal information, they could have been working hard in assisting that angle just from their own offices in the uk.
but it is still going on, that the people who were illegal in their occupation in those first weeks of that investigation that are telling their impression about bungling police officers. the reality is, they just were keeping those illegal subjects busy and out of interfering with a criminal case, so there was no ground to later in court declare findings illegally gathered.
there is a very different form of reaction from people like mark harrison, because he was there on invitation. grime also.
what the uk does not want all to know is, that a lot of work is done under advisory and assistance of uk police officers, the murat angle was fully based on a profilers work, a profiler from ceop. the phone data were handed to the uk boots in a separate office. all samples taken in all of the later forensic searches are taken on instructions from the uk.
i still do not see a reason to call the work done by the portuguese police as bungling, i see a lot of bungling on the uk side, the uk do see it also, that is why there is a police manual made about operation task. it looks like there was never an instruction to keep boundaries, to respect the country of portugal and the laws and serving officers of that law given.
the jane tanner, publized as the spannish police in the form of some british officers to get at robert murat is a nice example of that. this episode was not authorized by the portuguese.
the uk had taken the nickname 'little britain' a bit to light hearted, forgetting it was still portuguese soil, and that this meant portugal had the upper hand in this case and how it must be worked.
even the second round of investigation on portuguese soils was a farce, operation grange looking for clues, or old lost socks. it looks like they got the consent to be there that time in order, it did not looked very much as a joint investigation, so portugal already did know there was nothing to find there. otherwise we would have seen portuguese police officers keeping a tail on the grangers, because otherwise it would have been hard to use findings as evidence before a portuguese court.
but it is so typical unbrittish to see still so many people with an official function still mocking about in every news item they could get a mingling in, about something that you expect they must understand. they were just nono's without consent out there.
a nono is a dutch noon for idiot, stupid or dummy, someone who thinks you need him, and you know you do not.
and indeed the video has no true word in it, what you see is the picture that is to form from later news articles. and a nice head that just read what others brewed together as news. but it is still a bit early for an april fool.
and i do see a big misunderstanding, the case of a missing person is never really closed, but you will loose any way to bring a perp before a court. we had til 2006 also a statute of limitations for serious crime with a life sentence, for murder, usually seen as the most serious crime, it was 18 years, all cases after 1988 no longer had a statute of limitations. so we have the rule if cases are reach their sol before 2006, they kept it, but others who did not are worked under the newer laws. und eu regulations each country still keeps their own responsibility for justice, but there are some agreements to try to get them a bit harmonized.
portugal did also change parts of their rules about statute of limitations, but i never found a good translation of that part of law, older law has a good official translation, but always the original is the one that counts. but they did not follow up with the later corrections.
missing persons cases that are not solved in the time you could bring someone for a court for a criminal fact, because of a sol, or lack of evidence, such cases are often still looked at, because it is seen as a duty to the people who are left behind by the victim. the case will change from finding a culprit, into finding answers and if possible a body to lay to rest. for cases were a sol no longer is a restriction, finding the person can open up the again into a criminal case.
missing in itself is no criminal offence, so that in itself would not reach a sol, but because of the lack of that it is worked under the other police task , that of assistance to who needs dat, helping out.
it has often a lot of difficulties by that, you cannot use te competencies you have in a criminal case.
more and more countries have cold case units for these kind of cases, for others it is just at hand when there is a moment of time to spend.
so again the media take you for a ride, because the case of the missing person would never be closed, but the possible criminal aspects in it will, or could be, depending on the legal possibilities.
every gone year is not easy to any evidence out there, but it can open up mouths of people who had today other priorities and are in a different environment and now able to speak.
the big fat problem with this case are simply the boundaries you can talk about it in the media, there is no true discussion or debating possible, their is an very unproven stance in the uk, that is set in stone.
think hard millions of pounds and the uk police was not even given the opportunity to proof the parents are indeed innocent. telling they are is not enough. all they did have proven is there is no other culprit in sight. no evidence of an outsider. so the portuguese were right in no outsider job.
i think the british government with their top spec brass police investigation own the portuguese people a very big excuse.
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Re: END OF THE ROAD Madeleine McCann inquiry to END after 11 years as fears grow prime suspect WON’T be charged
Extradition in criminal law
In a globalised world, crime and its prosecution do not stop at national borders. It would therefore be wrong to believe that an offence committed abroad has no consequences.
Extradition and surrender of accused persons in the context of international execution of sentences are part of the daily routine of a criminal defence lawyer.
1. Intergovernmental Relations in Criminal Law
Under certain conditions, the Federal Republic of Germany may extradite or transfer foreign citizens to other countries.
Extradition is the term used to refer to international relations in criminal law between the Federal Republic of Germany and other states which do not belong to the European Union.
Relations between Germany and other EU states regarding the transmission of criminals are referred to as rendition.
“Extradition” means that a third State (requesting State) requests another State (requested State) to surrender a person residing in the requested State on grounds of criminal prosecution or execution of sentence. Extradition to a non-EU country is inadmissible for own nationals. This is regulated in the German Constitution, cf. Article 16.2 sentence 1 of the German Constitution. The German state will then take over the prosecution itself.
In the European Union, the so-called “surrender” of a person has been carried out since 2004 on the basis of a European arrest warrant. Moreover, requests for mutual assistance in the EU are less bureaucratic and therefore much more effective.
The (mere) search for criminals abroad must be distinguished from extradition traffic. It is not part of the extradition procedure.
Extradition must also be distinguished from deportation/depatriation. Deportation is a national measure of aliens law and security that forces the expellee to leave the state. If the expellee refuses to comply, the expulsion is enforced by way of deportation.
2. Extradition Procedure
Extradition proceedings begin with the receipt of a written request for extradition from the requesting State to the requested State (so-called extradition request). The requesting State must conclusively claim that the person concerned has committed an extraditable offence. Evidence is not required at this early stage of the procedure.
The Federal Ministry of Justice and Consumer Protection are responsible for the processing. In practice, however, most of the powers have been transferred to the Land governments and subordinate authorities.
The further process step has two stages. A judicial admissibility procedure is followed by an official approval procedure.
At the first stage, in the judicial admissibility procedure, the Higher Regional Court decides on the admissibility of extradition (§§ 31, 32 IRG – Law on International Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters). The decision is binding and not subject to appeal.
In the subsequent licensing procedure, the second one examines the content of extradition at the ministry level. If extradition is refused, the request shall lapse. However, this shall not prevent the requesting State from making a new request.
If extradition is granted, the decision of the granting authority can be reviewed by the Higher Regional Court under certain conditions.
In order to prevent the persecuted person from evading extradition during the current proceedings, extradition custody can be ordered.
Once extradition has been authorised, the person pursued shall be handed over to the authorities of the requesting State. If necessary, imprisonment may be ordered in accordance with § 34 IRG to ensure that the transfer is carried out.
3. Conditions of Extradition
In principle, legal assistance is provided only to states which provide legal assistance themselves (so-called principle of reciprocity, cf. § 5 IRG). The principle of reciprocity states that the act complained of by the requesting State must also constitute an offence punishable in the requested State, § 2 IRG. In addition, according to the principle of double criminality, such conduct must also be a criminal offence under German law.
The requesting State must also observe the principle of speciality (§ 11 IRG). Acts other than those for which extradition was ordered may not be prosecuted without the consent of the requested State.
Obstacles to extradition may result from violations of the fundamental principles of German law in the requesting state. Extradition is prohibited, for example, if the persecuted person is threatened with torture or inhuman treatment in the requesting state.
Other obstacles are
Threatening political persecution or persecution otherwise contrary to the rule of law, Section 6 (2) IRG
Military Crimes, § 7 IRG
Impending death penalty in the requesting state, § 8 IRG
Threat of double punishment, § 9 No. 1 IRG
Limitation of the offence, § 9 No. 2 IRG
4. Criminal Defence Lawyer
The persecuted person can and should choose a lawyer in any situation of the proceedings (§ 40 Paragraph 1 IRG). In addition, legal counsel may be assisted if the difficulty of the factual and legal situation requires cooperation (Section 40 (2) No. 1 IRG), if the person persecuted cannot adequately exercise his rights himself (Section 40 (2) No. 2 IRG) or if the person persecuted is a minor (Section 40 (2) No. 3 IRG).
5. Surrender within the European Union
In the European Union, the so-called “surrender” of a person has been carried out since 2004 on the basis of a European arrest warrant. This created a special law that also allows the extradition of German citizens. Germany can therefore extradite Germans to other EU states at their request and does so regularly. In addition, the requirement of double criminality does not apply to certain offences.
A European arrest warrant is a judicial decision made in one Member State (issuing State) for the arrest and surrender by another Member State (executing State) of a wanted person for the purpose of prosecution or execution of a custodial sentence or detention order. The European arrest warrant is based on a previously issued national arrest.
6. Surrender Procedure
The procedure differs from extradition. The surrender procedure under the European arrest warrant is single-stage, whereas the classical extradition procedure is two-stage, since there is a ministerial authorisation level. The European arrest warrant procedure also opens up direct contacts between the judicial authorities involved. Transfers within the EU are thus faster and more routine than deliveries to third countries.
Nevertheless, in many cases it is worth fighting.
https://criminal-law-germany.lawyer/extradition-in-criminal-law/
In a globalised world, crime and its prosecution do not stop at national borders. It would therefore be wrong to believe that an offence committed abroad has no consequences.
Extradition and surrender of accused persons in the context of international execution of sentences are part of the daily routine of a criminal defence lawyer.
1. Intergovernmental Relations in Criminal Law
Under certain conditions, the Federal Republic of Germany may extradite or transfer foreign citizens to other countries.
Extradition is the term used to refer to international relations in criminal law between the Federal Republic of Germany and other states which do not belong to the European Union.
Relations between Germany and other EU states regarding the transmission of criminals are referred to as rendition.
“Extradition” means that a third State (requesting State) requests another State (requested State) to surrender a person residing in the requested State on grounds of criminal prosecution or execution of sentence. Extradition to a non-EU country is inadmissible for own nationals. This is regulated in the German Constitution, cf. Article 16.2 sentence 1 of the German Constitution. The German state will then take over the prosecution itself.
In the European Union, the so-called “surrender” of a person has been carried out since 2004 on the basis of a European arrest warrant. Moreover, requests for mutual assistance in the EU are less bureaucratic and therefore much more effective.
The (mere) search for criminals abroad must be distinguished from extradition traffic. It is not part of the extradition procedure.
Extradition must also be distinguished from deportation/depatriation. Deportation is a national measure of aliens law and security that forces the expellee to leave the state. If the expellee refuses to comply, the expulsion is enforced by way of deportation.
2. Extradition Procedure
Extradition proceedings begin with the receipt of a written request for extradition from the requesting State to the requested State (so-called extradition request). The requesting State must conclusively claim that the person concerned has committed an extraditable offence. Evidence is not required at this early stage of the procedure.
The Federal Ministry of Justice and Consumer Protection are responsible for the processing. In practice, however, most of the powers have been transferred to the Land governments and subordinate authorities.
The further process step has two stages. A judicial admissibility procedure is followed by an official approval procedure.
At the first stage, in the judicial admissibility procedure, the Higher Regional Court decides on the admissibility of extradition (§§ 31, 32 IRG – Law on International Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters). The decision is binding and not subject to appeal.
In the subsequent licensing procedure, the second one examines the content of extradition at the ministry level. If extradition is refused, the request shall lapse. However, this shall not prevent the requesting State from making a new request.
If extradition is granted, the decision of the granting authority can be reviewed by the Higher Regional Court under certain conditions.
In order to prevent the persecuted person from evading extradition during the current proceedings, extradition custody can be ordered.
Once extradition has been authorised, the person pursued shall be handed over to the authorities of the requesting State. If necessary, imprisonment may be ordered in accordance with § 34 IRG to ensure that the transfer is carried out.
3. Conditions of Extradition
In principle, legal assistance is provided only to states which provide legal assistance themselves (so-called principle of reciprocity, cf. § 5 IRG). The principle of reciprocity states that the act complained of by the requesting State must also constitute an offence punishable in the requested State, § 2 IRG. In addition, according to the principle of double criminality, such conduct must also be a criminal offence under German law.
The requesting State must also observe the principle of speciality (§ 11 IRG). Acts other than those for which extradition was ordered may not be prosecuted without the consent of the requested State.
Obstacles to extradition may result from violations of the fundamental principles of German law in the requesting state. Extradition is prohibited, for example, if the persecuted person is threatened with torture or inhuman treatment in the requesting state.
Other obstacles are
Threatening political persecution or persecution otherwise contrary to the rule of law, Section 6 (2) IRG
Military Crimes, § 7 IRG
Impending death penalty in the requesting state, § 8 IRG
Threat of double punishment, § 9 No. 1 IRG
Limitation of the offence, § 9 No. 2 IRG
4. Criminal Defence Lawyer
The persecuted person can and should choose a lawyer in any situation of the proceedings (§ 40 Paragraph 1 IRG). In addition, legal counsel may be assisted if the difficulty of the factual and legal situation requires cooperation (Section 40 (2) No. 1 IRG), if the person persecuted cannot adequately exercise his rights himself (Section 40 (2) No. 2 IRG) or if the person persecuted is a minor (Section 40 (2) No. 3 IRG).
5. Surrender within the European Union
In the European Union, the so-called “surrender” of a person has been carried out since 2004 on the basis of a European arrest warrant. This created a special law that also allows the extradition of German citizens. Germany can therefore extradite Germans to other EU states at their request and does so regularly. In addition, the requirement of double criminality does not apply to certain offences.
A European arrest warrant is a judicial decision made in one Member State (issuing State) for the arrest and surrender by another Member State (executing State) of a wanted person for the purpose of prosecution or execution of a custodial sentence or detention order. The European arrest warrant is based on a previously issued national arrest.
6. Surrender Procedure
The procedure differs from extradition. The surrender procedure under the European arrest warrant is single-stage, whereas the classical extradition procedure is two-stage, since there is a ministerial authorisation level. The European arrest warrant procedure also opens up direct contacts between the judicial authorities involved. Transfers within the EU are thus faster and more routine than deliveries to third countries.
Nevertheless, in many cases it is worth fighting.
https://criminal-law-germany.lawyer/extradition-in-criminal-law/
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Re: END OF THE ROAD Madeleine McCann inquiry to END after 11 years as fears grow prime suspect WON’T be charged
yes, the word in this is foreign citizens, not german nationals. but they even not have to, being living in germany and not german nationality could be enough. to keep then in their own hands.
they do not surrender any german.
most countries have little problems in surrender foreign people, some have problems in doing it, if there is still a death sentence for the crime they want them for.
it is found in this official made translation of the part of the german law that was used to bring cb before their own courts. most shall be based on article 5.
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stgb.html
the next link goes to an official translation of the full extradition law of germany, and for a german national the law start under division 2 section 80 and beyond.
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_irg/englisch_irg.html
but the germans simply do not surrender their own, not for serious crimes, there are some options in place on paper and like in the case of martin ney, that had a investigation against him in france the germans just lent ney to the french. the french had to give him back. and they did.
they do not surrender any german.
most countries have little problems in surrender foreign people, some have problems in doing it, if there is still a death sentence for the crime they want them for.
it is found in this official made translation of the part of the german law that was used to bring cb before their own courts. most shall be based on article 5.
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stgb.html
the next link goes to an official translation of the full extradition law of germany, and for a german national the law start under division 2 section 80 and beyond.
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_irg/englisch_irg.html
but the germans simply do not surrender their own, not for serious crimes, there are some options in place on paper and like in the case of martin ney, that had a investigation against him in france the germans just lent ney to the french. the french had to give him back. and they did.
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Re: END OF THE ROAD Madeleine McCann inquiry to END after 11 years as fears grow prime suspect WON’T be charged
There is apparently nothing standing in the way of anyone writing to Brückner privately.
Or applying to Interview him in Person as part of a privately funded investigation.
But no one is asking…
That alone speaks for itself.
Or applying to Interview him in Person as part of a privately funded investigation.
But no one is asking…
That alone speaks for itself.
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Re: END OF THE ROAD Madeleine McCann inquiry to END after 11 years as fears grow prime suspect WON’T be charged
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Re: END OF THE ROAD Madeleine McCann inquiry to END after 11 years as fears grow prime suspect WON’T be charged
Even Jon Clarke-Kent, intrepid reporter and super-sleuth could have done so.Silentscope wrote:There is apparently nothing standing in the way of anyone writing to Brückner privately.
Or applying to Interview him in Person as part of a privately funded investigation.
But no one is asking…
That alone speaks for itself.
But he didn't.
JC: Did you do 'IT' ?
CB: No.
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Re: END OF THE ROAD Madeleine McCann inquiry to END after 11 years as fears grow prime suspect WON’T be charged
well at least i understand why christian the p. one, was not that eager to get in contact with the police, because of fear to be taken in on the madeleine mccann case, he is an it expert!
so yes, if i was an expert in it, and i'm certainly not that, i would maybe be shy if you got questioned about doing it.
also i find 3 evenly stacked rows, existing of a total between 60 and 100 passports quite a performance, the old ones had for us at least a bit of a rough coating, the new ones in eu standards have a far more smooth surface, i tried some stacking, but i have only 4 modern ones and 7 expired ones at hand, and they would not stack at all. the more modern ones keep coming down.
so even the first outing in the press by the german der spiegel, were only 30 to 50 passports were in stacks on the mantelpiece, does sounds a bit overly estimated. but who knows looking in a mirror will double everything of course.
someone translated earlier the spiegel piece from german to english;
nice to keep that together, the original is a article from hubert gude, and the one who looks like to own the premiere of christian post in the press, not a certain olive dripper in spain, or a old chap of that one called martin what was it fricker or pricker, or picker. so there was no need to travel to the dark side of cambodia, the it expert had simply skype.
A German musician and IT-technician, who got to know him in 2005 after a gig in a music bar in Lagos, learned that B. also has an uncanny side. The SPIEGEL reached Christian P., 53, via Skype in the small town of Kampot in Cambodia.
"I met Christian from time to time, he fixed my car, I helped him with the TV," he says. Sometimes they would drink wine. "He was quite a messie. The house in Praia da Luz was totally untidy and unkempt."
During a visit, he noticed three stacks of foreign travel documents. "There were 30 to 50 passports lying around in plain sight." When asked about this, Christian B. told about thefts in Praia da Luz and the surrounding area. "He told us that he went on tour from time to time, and climbed up facades in the process.
This is consistent with the findings of the investigators. According to this, Christian B. financed his life in Portugal in the mid-2000s not with odd jobs, but with burglaries and thefts. In April 2006, he and an Austrian accomplice were caught red-handed at a gas station when they were siphoning diesel from a truck. A Portuguese court sentenced them to 258 days in prison.
"I visited him in prison at the time," Christian P. recalls. "He complained about the poor prison conditions and the lousy food. Because there was no alcohol in the prison, I was supposed to bring him oranges sprinkled with vodka, but I didn't want that. That made B. angry.
During his imprisonment, B. received notice of termination for the house he had rented in Praia da Luz. Christian P. wanted to help his friend and place a few boxes for him. "But there were such disgusting CDs with dirty movies like animal porn, more than a hundred CDs," says Christian P. He threw all the stuff away. Christian B. didn't want to see him again afterwards, "he was so angry".
so if you translated der spiegel you will get...... the mirror of course, but it is not exactly the same mirror of course, and is does not look like hubert gude uses a alias abroad. but the british mirror could have saved up on travel costs in this case, as it was not even a bit fresh news out there.
and yes i copied it from another forum out there, but as that forum has a bit of outraged rulings about copyright, i would not name the source. i remember reading the original before, but can not get my hands on it again at the moment.
the daily mail has it also, and had the comments even open....
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10678161/Madeleine-McCann-case-Ex-friend-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-certain-took-her.html?fbclid=IwAR133DiHm-D-fyz7t0Q0sQyosr_u_vny4-R6jklF8988sSN2k7Shic5HjWo
so yes, if i was an expert in it, and i'm certainly not that, i would maybe be shy if you got questioned about doing it.
also i find 3 evenly stacked rows, existing of a total between 60 and 100 passports quite a performance, the old ones had for us at least a bit of a rough coating, the new ones in eu standards have a far more smooth surface, i tried some stacking, but i have only 4 modern ones and 7 expired ones at hand, and they would not stack at all. the more modern ones keep coming down.
so even the first outing in the press by the german der spiegel, were only 30 to 50 passports were in stacks on the mantelpiece, does sounds a bit overly estimated. but who knows looking in a mirror will double everything of course.
someone translated earlier the spiegel piece from german to english;
nice to keep that together, the original is a article from hubert gude, and the one who looks like to own the premiere of christian post in the press, not a certain olive dripper in spain, or a old chap of that one called martin what was it fricker or pricker, or picker. so there was no need to travel to the dark side of cambodia, the it expert had simply skype.
A German musician and IT-technician, who got to know him in 2005 after a gig in a music bar in Lagos, learned that B. also has an uncanny side. The SPIEGEL reached Christian P., 53, via Skype in the small town of Kampot in Cambodia.
"I met Christian from time to time, he fixed my car, I helped him with the TV," he says. Sometimes they would drink wine. "He was quite a messie. The house in Praia da Luz was totally untidy and unkempt."
During a visit, he noticed three stacks of foreign travel documents. "There were 30 to 50 passports lying around in plain sight." When asked about this, Christian B. told about thefts in Praia da Luz and the surrounding area. "He told us that he went on tour from time to time, and climbed up facades in the process.
This is consistent with the findings of the investigators. According to this, Christian B. financed his life in Portugal in the mid-2000s not with odd jobs, but with burglaries and thefts. In April 2006, he and an Austrian accomplice were caught red-handed at a gas station when they were siphoning diesel from a truck. A Portuguese court sentenced them to 258 days in prison.
"I visited him in prison at the time," Christian P. recalls. "He complained about the poor prison conditions and the lousy food. Because there was no alcohol in the prison, I was supposed to bring him oranges sprinkled with vodka, but I didn't want that. That made B. angry.
During his imprisonment, B. received notice of termination for the house he had rented in Praia da Luz. Christian P. wanted to help his friend and place a few boxes for him. "But there were such disgusting CDs with dirty movies like animal porn, more than a hundred CDs," says Christian P. He threw all the stuff away. Christian B. didn't want to see him again afterwards, "he was so angry".
so if you translated der spiegel you will get...... the mirror of course, but it is not exactly the same mirror of course, and is does not look like hubert gude uses a alias abroad. but the british mirror could have saved up on travel costs in this case, as it was not even a bit fresh news out there.
and yes i copied it from another forum out there, but as that forum has a bit of outraged rulings about copyright, i would not name the source. i remember reading the original before, but can not get my hands on it again at the moment.
the daily mail has it also, and had the comments even open....
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10678161/Madeleine-McCann-case-Ex-friend-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-certain-took-her.html?fbclid=IwAR133DiHm-D-fyz7t0Q0sQyosr_u_vny4-R6jklF8988sSN2k7Shic5HjWo
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Re: END OF THE ROAD Madeleine McCann inquiry to END after 11 years as fears grow prime suspect WON’T be charged
Madeleine McCann disappeared in 2007 (Image: METROPOLITAN POLICE/AFP via Gett)
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Portuguese authorities say they will continue to investigate Madeleine McCann’s disappearance despite Scotland Yard ending its 11-year probe.
The country’s Attorney General’s Office allayed fears the Met Police decision would impact on the separate inquiry being led by prosecutors on the Algarve, insisting today: “It continues.”
And Portuguese police sources said closing their long-running ‘cold case’ review was “completely out of the question.”
It was reported last month the Met’s Operation Grange inquiry - launched four years after Madeleine vanished from her family apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007 - would be wound down around autumn after funding stopped.
She disappeared from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz (
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Christian Brueckner is the prime suspect in the disappearance of Maddie McCann ( Carabinieri Milano via Getty Images)
The move has been linked to the feeling among police chiefs German authorities have insufficient evidence to bring a case against prime Maddie suspect Christian Brueckner.
Sources close to the inquiry in Portugal admitted they would not be surprised by the closure of the UK Madeleine probe once current funding ended and confirmed it had been a “long time” since the last official British request for information.
One said: “Only the German authorities have been sending formal requests for judicial assistance of late.”
A spokesman for Portugal’s Attorney General’s Office, asked about the future of the probe led by a prosecutor based in the Algarve resort of Portimao, said: “The investigation is proceeding, with the inquiry not having a final conclusion yet.”
Fears the opportunity to get justice for Maddie and her parents could be dealt a hammer blow in a little over three weeks’ time despite the continuing Portuguese probe have been raised.
The family’s lawyer Rogerio Alves warned in July 2020 his country’s 15-year limit on prosecutions meant there was less than two years left to take action against chief suspect Christian Brueckner.
Madeleine McCann's parents Kate and Gerry (
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And Portuguese legal experts admitted at the weekend the chances of putting anyone behind bars over Madeleine’s disappearance would be “greatly reduced” after the day Kate and Gerry McCann remember their eldest daughter exactly a decade and a half on from the holiday mystery.
It is believed Brueckner, currently behind bars in Germany for the rape of a 72-year-old tourist, would have to be made an ‘arguido’ in Portugal before May 3 to facilitate his eventual prosecution on the Algarve.
Sources close to the case said last night they viewed it as “highly unlikely.”
One well-placed insider said Portuguese police and prosecutors were working on the theory Madeleine’s abductor could still be tried there because she may still be the victim of an ongoing kidnapping.
The insider said: “In the event Madeleine is still alive, we could be looking at a crime where the idea of a 15-year time limit on prosecution can go out of the window because the clock starts ticking the moment the crime stops.”
However, if the Portuguese authorities eventually decide not to pursue Brueckner, he could still be prosecuted over Maddie by the German authorities in their country where he is currently being held despite an alleged crime being committed in Portugal." />
Re: END OF THE ROAD Madeleine McCann inquiry to END after 11 years as fears grow prime suspect WON’T be charged
I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding about the 15 year "Limitation" which would imply that if a body were found which had been concealed for 16 years, the PJ would make no enquiries.
I am seeking to clarify the situation with people who actually understand Portuguese law, and will report back.
I am seeking to clarify the situation with people who actually understand Portuguese law, and will report back.
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Re: END OF THE ROAD Madeleine McCann inquiry to END after 11 years as fears grow prime suspect WON’T be charged
If a statute of limitation refers to the investigation of a suspect/s alone and not the crime per se, which appears to be the case across the civilised world (excuse the generalisation), then the name Christian Brueckner would be a misnomer anyway.
He only made his public debut two years ago.
The true suspects however, are unlikely to ever be prosecuted, with or without a statute of limitation - even for operating a fraudulent 'fund', squandering public donations with the upmost transparency.
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He only made his public debut two years ago.
The true suspects however, are unlikely to ever be prosecuted, with or without a statute of limitation - even for operating a fraudulent 'fund', squandering public donations with the upmost transparency.
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Re: END OF THE ROAD Madeleine McCann inquiry to END after 11 years as fears grow prime suspect WON’T be charged
Portuguese police will continue their inquiry into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance despite Scotland Yard 'winding up' their probe later this year
Portuguese police will continue inquiry into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance
Comes as Scotland Yard are set to 'set to wind up' their probe later this year
Cops 'frustrated' at lack of movement in case against Christian Brueckner
Operation Grange, overseen by Met Police, is estimated to have cost £13 million
By Kaya Terry For Mailonline
Published: 02:39, 13 April 2022 | Updated: 02:41, 13 April 2022
Portuguese police have said they will continue their inquiry into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance despite Scotland Yard 'winding up' their probe later this year.
The Portuguese Attorney General’s Office has insisted authorities will keep their investigation going to find the missing youngster and said their separate inquest - which is being led by prosecutors on the Algarve - will 'continue'.
Authorities also added that closing their long-running probe was 'completely out of the question', reports The Mirror.
Last month it was reported that the Metropolitan Police will be ending their inquiry into Madeleine's whereabouts.
Funding for the Operation Grange inquiry – launched four years after Portuguese authorities began their unsuccessful search for the youngster in 2007 – will end this autumn unless new lines of inquiry emerge.
British detectives are said to be frustrated by the failure to compile sufficient evidence to prosecute Christian Brueckner, a convicted paedophile, who was named two years ago by German police as the prime suspect for Madeleine's abduction.
He has denied any involvement in the disappearance of the youngster from an apartment in Praia da Luz on the Algarve.
Operation Grange, overseen by the Metropolitan Police, is estimated to have cost £13 million
The Sun reported that it was understood Madeleine's parents, Gerry and Kate, both 54, are aware of the impending closure but have vowed to continue their search.
Brueckner is serving a seven-year jail sentence in Germany for raping a 72-year-old woman.
The Operation Grange team has in recent years been pared down from 40 officers to just four detectives working under Detective Chief Inspector Mark Cranwell.
His team also liaises with Madeleine's parents, of Rothley, Leicsestershire.
In June 2020, police in Britain and Germany launched a renewed appeal for witnesses after disclosing they had a new suspect, who was later revealed to be Brueckner.
German prosecutors remain convinced he was responsible for the youngster's disappearance but despite an intensive investigation have not brought any charges.
Brueckner also is alleged to have admitted abducting Madeleine to a friend - and the German team of investigators, led by public prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters, said they were certain he had killed the three-year-old.
It is now highly unlikely that he will be charged over her disappearance.
Wolters went as far as holding a press conference where he addressed Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry over the air.
He insisted: 'We are confident we have the man who took and killed your daughter. All I can do is ask for your patience.'
But claims German detectives had sent multiple notes to Madeleine's family were rubbished within days.
And the Met itself released a pointed statement correcting the allegations about the correspondence.
It said last year: 'The Met received one letter from the BKA [Federal Criminal Police Office of Germany] on June 12, which was passed to the family.
'The letter did not state that there was evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead, the MPS continues to investigate Madeleine's disappearance as a missing person investigation. No letter has been received by the Met from the German prosecutor.'
In fact in May last year, Kate and Gerry restated they still believed she could be alive.
A statement that month said: 'The Covid pandemic has made this year even more difficult for many reasons but thankfully the investigation to find Madeleine and her abductor has continued.
'We hang on to the hope, however small, that we will see Madeleine again. As we have said repeatedly, we need to know what has happened to our lovely daughter, no matter what. We are very grateful to the police for their continued efforts.'
Brueckner is currently serving a prison sentence for drug trafficking and is expected to remain behind bars until 2026 after losing a bid to overturn a rape conviction.
He was last year found guilty of the 2005 rape of a 72-year-old American woman in the same Portuguese resort from which Madeleine vanished and sentenced to seven years in jail, at a court in Brunswick, Lower Saxony.
Brueckner was in Praia da Luz when Madeleine went missing on the night of May 3, 2007, pinpointed there by a mobile phone call.
Madeleine - then aged three - disappeared from an apartment where she was staying with her family.
Kate and Gerry, had been dining with friends in a nearby restaurant and periodically checking on Madeleine and her two siblings - Sean and Amelie - as they slept.
Around 9pm, Gerry went to check on the children and found them sleeping. At 9.30pm, a family friend went to the apartment and heard no noise, but did not check far enough into the room to see if Madeleine was there.
At 10pm, Kate went to check on the children and found Maddie was gone.
The disappearance was reported immediately and a search party launched the same evening including officers from the Guarda Nacional Republicana and the Polícia Judiciária, which launched an investigation.
Amaral was brought in to head that investigation and ran it for several months, infamously naming both Kate and Gerry as suspects.
He was sacked shortly after launching a public attack on British detectives - accusing them of only pursuing investigative lines given to them by the McCanns.
He has since published a book and appeared in a documentary called 'The Truth of the Lie' in which he repeated his claims against the McCanns.
The family won a libel suit against him in 2015, and were awarded £500,000 in damages.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10713505/Portuguese-police-continue-inquiry-Madeleine-McCanns-disappearance.html
Portuguese police will continue inquiry into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance
Comes as Scotland Yard are set to 'set to wind up' their probe later this year
Cops 'frustrated' at lack of movement in case against Christian Brueckner
Operation Grange, overseen by Met Police, is estimated to have cost £13 million
By Kaya Terry For Mailonline
Published: 02:39, 13 April 2022 | Updated: 02:41, 13 April 2022
Portuguese police have said they will continue their inquiry into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance despite Scotland Yard 'winding up' their probe later this year.
The Portuguese Attorney General’s Office has insisted authorities will keep their investigation going to find the missing youngster and said their separate inquest - which is being led by prosecutors on the Algarve - will 'continue'.
Authorities also added that closing their long-running probe was 'completely out of the question', reports The Mirror.
Last month it was reported that the Metropolitan Police will be ending their inquiry into Madeleine's whereabouts.
Funding for the Operation Grange inquiry – launched four years after Portuguese authorities began their unsuccessful search for the youngster in 2007 – will end this autumn unless new lines of inquiry emerge.
British detectives are said to be frustrated by the failure to compile sufficient evidence to prosecute Christian Brueckner, a convicted paedophile, who was named two years ago by German police as the prime suspect for Madeleine's abduction.
He has denied any involvement in the disappearance of the youngster from an apartment in Praia da Luz on the Algarve.
Operation Grange, overseen by the Metropolitan Police, is estimated to have cost £13 million
The Portuguese Attorney General’s Office has insisted authorities will keep their investigation going to find the missing youngster and said their separate inquest - which is being led by prosecutors on the Algarve - will 'continue' Police also added that closing their long-running probe is 'completely out of the question', reports The Mirror
The Operation Grange team has in recent years been pared down from 40 officers to just four detectives working under Detective Chief Inspector Mark Cranwell. His team also liaises with Madeleine's parents, of Rothley, Leicsestershire
The Sun reported that it was understood Madeleine's parents, Gerry and Kate, both 54, are aware of the impending closure but have vowed to continue their search.
Brueckner is serving a seven-year jail sentence in Germany for raping a 72-year-old woman.
The Operation Grange team has in recent years been pared down from 40 officers to just four detectives working under Detective Chief Inspector Mark Cranwell.
His team also liaises with Madeleine's parents, of Rothley, Leicsestershire.
In June 2020, police in Britain and Germany launched a renewed appeal for witnesses after disclosing they had a new suspect, who was later revealed to be Brueckner.
German prosecutors remain convinced he was responsible for the youngster's disappearance but despite an intensive investigation have not brought any charges.
Detectives are said to be frustrated by the failure to compile sufficient evidence to prosecute Christian Brueckner (pictured), a convicted paedophile, who was named two years ago by German police as the prime suspect for Madeleine's abduction
Brueckner also is alleged to have admitted abducting Madeleine to a friend - and the German team of investigators, led by public prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters, said they were certain he had killed the three-year-old.
It is now highly unlikely that he will be charged over her disappearance.
Wolters went as far as holding a press conference where he addressed Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry over the air.
He insisted: 'We are confident we have the man who took and killed your daughter. All I can do is ask for your patience.'
But claims German detectives had sent multiple notes to Madeleine's family were rubbished within days.
And the Met itself released a pointed statement correcting the allegations about the correspondence.
It said last year: 'The Met received one letter from the BKA [Federal Criminal Police Office of Germany] on June 12, which was passed to the family.
'The letter did not state that there was evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead, the MPS continues to investigate Madeleine's disappearance as a missing person investigation. No letter has been received by the Met from the German prosecutor.'
In fact in May last year, Kate and Gerry restated they still believed she could be alive.
A statement that month said: 'The Covid pandemic has made this year even more difficult for many reasons but thankfully the investigation to find Madeleine and her abductor has continued.
'We hang on to the hope, however small, that we will see Madeleine again. As we have said repeatedly, we need to know what has happened to our lovely daughter, no matter what. We are very grateful to the police for their continued efforts.'
Brueckner is currently serving a prison sentence for drug trafficking and is expected to remain behind bars until 2026 after losing a bid to overturn a rape conviction.
He was last year found guilty of the 2005 rape of a 72-year-old American woman in the same Portuguese resort from which Madeleine vanished and sentenced to seven years in jail, at a court in Brunswick, Lower Saxony.
Brueckner was in Praia da Luz when Madeleine went missing on the night of May 3, 2007, pinpointed there by a mobile phone call. Madeleine - then aged three - disappeared from an apartment building (above) where she was staying with her family
Brueckner was in Praia da Luz when Madeleine went missing on the night of May 3, 2007, pinpointed there by a mobile phone call.
Madeleine - then aged three - disappeared from an apartment where she was staying with her family.
Kate and Gerry, had been dining with friends in a nearby restaurant and periodically checking on Madeleine and her two siblings - Sean and Amelie - as they slept.
Around 9pm, Gerry went to check on the children and found them sleeping. At 9.30pm, a family friend went to the apartment and heard no noise, but did not check far enough into the room to see if Madeleine was there.
At 10pm, Kate went to check on the children and found Maddie was gone.
The disappearance was reported immediately and a search party launched the same evening including officers from the Guarda Nacional Republicana and the Polícia Judiciária, which launched an investigation.
Amaral was brought in to head that investigation and ran it for several months, infamously naming both Kate and Gerry as suspects.
He was sacked shortly after launching a public attack on British detectives - accusing them of only pursuing investigative lines given to them by the McCanns.
He has since published a book and appeared in a documentary called 'The Truth of the Lie' in which he repeated his claims against the McCanns.
The family won a libel suit against him in 2015, and were awarded £500,000 in damages.
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Re: END OF THE ROAD Madeleine McCann inquiry to END after 11 years as fears grow prime suspect WON’T be charged
From the same report..
And then..
But it didn't end there did it?
A still tongue makes a wise head.
Brueckner is serving a seven-year jail sentence in Germany for raping a 72-year-old woman.
Brueckner is currently serving a prison sentence for drug trafficking and is expected to remain behind bars until 2026 after losing a bid to overturn a rape conviction.
And then..
He has since published a book and appeared in a documentary called 'The Truth of the Lie' in which he repeated his claims against the McCanns.
The family won a libel suit against him in 2015, and were awarded £500,000 in damages.
But it didn't end there did it?
A still tongue makes a wise head.
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