Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be

The Christian Brueckner currently imprisoned in Germany is said to be a drifter, a criminal wanted in connection with a number of past crimes. He is apparently known to have traversed Europe, between Germany and Portugal for many a year.

It's very unlikely he would be a successful business man.

Topic merged with existing Brueckner thread.

Benny Hill has resurrected! - beat this for a corker..

BOOTS ON GROUND Madeleine McCann cops plan return to Portugal after ‘excellent’ tips from Brit tourists but local police may block them
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   Ben Hill

   5 Dec 2020, 11:36Updated: 5 Dec 2020, 11:36

GERMAN cops plan to return to Portugal after receiving "excellent" tips from British tourists on Madeleine McCann's disappearance - but local cops could block them.

Reports claimed prosecutors were growing ever more confident that they will be able to charge prime suspect Christian B.


Prosecutors are reportedly growing ever more confident that they will be able to charge prime suspect Christian B

Cops hope to return to the resort she vanished from in Praia Da Luz in 2007 to follow up on new leads.

A source close to the case said: “German officers think getting their team's boots on the ground would be a massive boost to the investigation.

"German detectives have received a lot of excellent information in the past few weeks, especially from British holidaymakers who were in Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.

“There are leads, tips and lines of enquiry from those witnesses that urgently needed to be followed up.

"That's why they want to return to Portugal as soon as possible to try and move forward in the investigation.”

Plans by German officers to go back Portugal is unlikely to go down well with cops there.

Officials in the Algarve would need to be consulted before any such move takes place.

Relations between the German and Portuguese teams remain very poor.

Officers on the Algarve - whose probe was widely criticised - ruled out Christian B as a suspect soon after Maddie vanished.
STRAINED RELATIONS

Sources say it would be “deeply embarrassing” for them if it now emerged he was in fact responsible which is why relations are strained with their German counterparts.

“In an ideal world the two teams would be working together," a source in the Algarve said.

"But the reality is here in Portugal the Police simply don’t believe that Brueckner did this.

"They think a lot of what is being said by the German detectives is hot air and distracting from the most important thing - finding the person who took Maddie which is something, like the rest of the world, they've always wanted to see.”

Christian B is a convicted paedophile and rapist who is currently in jail in Germany.

He was identified by detectives there earlier this year as the man responsible.

They say they have "concrete evidence" Madeleine is dead - but have yet to disclose it.

They hope to shortly charge Brueckner with three other sex crimes on Portugal's Algarve coast. Madeleine vanished on holiday with parents Kate and Glasgow-born Gerry 13 years ago.

Maddie, from Leicestershire, was snatched a month after a ten-year-old German girl said a man performed a sex act in front of her at a nearby beach.

She came forward after seeing TV coverage of Christian B.

Hazel, now 37, was bound, gagged and raped in her apartment 30 minutes away in 2004.

She suspects it was Christian B after reading of his conviction last year for raping a 72-year-old woman at her home in Praia da Luz in 2005.

Several children also reported a man matching his description had exposed himself in 2017.

Last week Scotland Yard said their own probe into Maddie’s disappearance would carry on - news that will be welcomed by her parents Kate and Gerry.


Maddie's parents Kate and Gerry McCann

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13391400/madeleine-mccann-cops-portugal-germany-christian-b/

Utter nonsense yet again from our fake news outlets.  Are they now going to manipulate the public into believing that Bruckner abducted Madeleine but they cannot prosecute him because the Portuguese police will block their investigation for fear of embarrassment?

This news report, if we can call it that, is so full of holes.  Where would you start to correct it?

Here maybe?

FOOLS ON GROUND Madeleine McCann pretendy cops plan return to Portugal after ‘purchasing’ tips from Brit tourists but local police may arrest them
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Ben Hill

5 Dec 2020, 11:36Created: 5 Dec 2020, 11:36

I didn't realise he was still reporting  

^^^

Madeleine McCann detectives want to return to Portugal after tips from Brit tourists

Police officers in Germany reportedly want to go back after receiving new tips and leads from British tourists that were at the beach resort in Algarve at the time of the then three-year-old's disappearance.

ByClaire Gilbody-Dickerson

   22:26, 5 DEC 2020

German detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann want to go back to Portugal to follow up on "excellent" leads by British tourists, it has been reported.

According to The Sun, police a flurry of people have come forward who were in the Algarve beach resort where Madeleine vanished aged three with new leads and tips.

Authorities in Germany reportedly say the new information needs "urgent" following up as prosecutors are increasingly convinced they will be able to charge their main suspect Christian Brueckner.

They said two days ago that they have "concrete evidence" Madeleine is dead, but are yet to disclose it.

Sources told the paper it is feared German police will be blocked by Portuguese police - whose probe was widely criticised - as officers in the southern European country think Brueckner wasn't involved in the disappearance.

If would be "deeply embarrassing" for Portuguese authorities if the trip then provided damning evidence proving the Germans were right.

Brueckner, 43, is currently in jail for drug offences in Germany. An appeal against an additional seven-year sentence for rape was quashed last month.

He attacked a 72-year-old American woman in 2005 near where Madeleine disappeared just a year and a half later and where he was thought to have lived between 1997 and 2007.

A source close to the case told the paper: “German officers think getting their team's boots on the ground would be a massive boost to the investigation.

"German detectives have received a lot of excellent information in the past few weeks, especially from British holidaymakers who were in Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.

“There are leads, tips and lines of enquiry from those witnesses that urgently needed to be followed up.

"That's why they want to return to Portugal as soon as possible to try and move forward in the investigation.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-detectives-want-return-23122123
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Okay, so let's cut to the chase.  

The German police are not investigating the disappearance of missing Madeleine McCann, if anything, they are investigating past crimes committed by a convict in their custody - Christian Brueckner.  If they believe their convict was in some way involved with the case of Madeleine McCann they can only pass their intelligence and concern on to the Portuguese police to incorporate in their case investigation detail, not the UK, the Portuguese.  

But of course this detail had already been investigated by the PJ, a simple fact that's been conveniently over-looked.

The case of Madeleine McCann's disappearance has been hot news for thirteen and a half years - are British tourist only now remembering the detail of their holiday so long ago?  Didn't they remember when the Portuguese investigation was current;  when the McCanns private detectives were so active; when Operation Grange was launched?  Only now do they recall detail that might assist a criminal investigation?

This German intervention has always been about nothing but Portuguese ineptitude - indeed the whole McCann inspired campaign has been about nothing but Portuguese ineptitude since the very beginning, back in May 2007.

I can't dismiss the possibility that there exists a German/Portuguese feud about something or other but somehow I think this is closer to home.  The media concern, originally controlled by the UK governments media monitoring unit's director, Clarence Mitchell, appears to be forever prominent.  Face it, none of this information commencing about six months ago has any bearing on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann but it does appear to reinforce the requisite message .... 'abduction by paedophile'.  The message that's been promoted and up-front since early May 2007 when the news first broke.

And now we have The Sun, one of the UK's leading trashy tabloids - the tabloid that has been numero one McCann supporter for oh so many years, as the spokesmen for the German authorities?

What d'yer reckon Mr. Mitchell - care to clarify?

Nothing suspicious here ....

Good comments in the Mail

The police missing their summer holidays???
No doubt the Metropolitan Police will want in on this, but not until late May when it warms up for a good holiday.

Has there ever been a case of a missing person that has created SO MANY holidays for law enforcement ?

No matter if it's the UK or Germany that comes up with what they believe is credible evidence, it is and always has been up to the Portuguese prosecutors to decide whether to proceed or not.

Oh for heaven's sake. And how would this man ever get a fair and decent trial now that he has been tried by media.

Just in case people have forgotten . . .



Brunt is recognised as the most recognised recognisable Crime reporter in the recognised world.
Would he not recognise that he was saying things which everyone would recognise were not correct ?

Which leads us to believe that he believed them to be true.
And since he has never, so far as I am aware, come out on the same news channels with the same impact
and disavowed what he said, and given a full explanation as to who gave him the wrong information, 
and why they should have done so . . .

Are we not entitled to accept what he said at face value, and in the details he gave us ?
And if not, why not?

Public would think the same says German prosecutor .   
  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55224904

Silentscope wrote:Herr Wolters might like to see the results of a recent online poll.
Who is closest to the TRUTH?

PORTUGAL
88.3%
UK
3.5%
GERMANY
8.2%

1,231 votes·Final results

Whatever the Prosecution thinks they have had better be good.

They have a lot of minds to change!

German prosecutors 'have evidence' suspect killed Madeleine McCann

'If you knew the evidence we had you would come to the same conclusion as I do,' prosecutor claims

By Justin Huggler Berlin 8 December 2020 • 11:58am

There is compelling evidence the German prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann killed her but it cannot be shared with the public, German prosecutors said on Tuesday.

“If you knew the evidence we had you would come to the same conclusion as I do,” Hans Christian Wolters, the prosecutor in charge of the case told the BBC.

“But I can't give you details because we don't want the accused to know what we have on him — these are tactical considerations.”

Christian Brückner, a 43-year-old convicted paedophile and rapist, was named as a suspect in the toddler’s disappearance in June.

But German prosecutors have yet to charge him in connection with the case and say that while they have evidence it is not yet enough to secure a conviction.

“I can't promise, I can't guarantee that we have enough to bring a charge but I'm very confident because what we have so far doesn't allow any other conclusion at all,” Mr Wolters told the BBC.

Madeleine McCann disappeared from the holiday villa where she was staying with her family in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007. She was three years old at the time.

Mr Wolters has previously admitted that without further evidence charges may never be brought against Brückner over her disappearance.

Last month, an internal Portuguese police memo leaked to the press described its officers as “shocked” after a briefing from German counterparts. Portuguese police left the meeting convinced German prosecutors have “no evidence, just speculation” and were determined to “keep Brückner in prison at all costs”.

A career criminal, Brückner is currently serving a 21-month sentence for drug offences. He will remain behind bars when that ends in January, after losing an appeal against a separate seven-year sentence for the 2005 rape of a 72-year-old woman in the same area of Portugal where Madeleine went missing.

Mr Wolters told the BBC current investigations have uncovered new evidence Brückner committed three other sex crimes during his time in Portugal, two of them against children. He said he hopes to bring charges in connection with these alleged offences next year.

Lawyers for Brückner insist he is innocent.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/08/german-prosecutors-have-evidence-suspect-killed-madeleine-mccann/

Will this nonsense never end?

NO.
The McCanns are protected by an entire bubble ensuring that nonsense like this is pushed forward very time it goes quiet and someone has the temerity to suggest that they be investigated to check their original stories.

Surely, there has to come a point when even the most deluded of people realize how nonsensical this all is?

You would think so, but millions of people still hope for "closure for the poor parents".

It may be just me, but as someone mentioned before, how is it that the BBC get this apparently “exclusive” interview?

And the Telegraph of course is not far behind, time wise.

I cannot find this interview mentioned anywhere on the German net.

Strange.

'If you knew the evidence we had you would come to the same conclusion as I do,' prosecutor claims

Almost the same idea as the wording used by the South Sea Company in the scandal and crash of 1720
"And other enterprises - but no one to know what they are . . ."

Does H. Wolters have any such evidence? 
If he does, why would he reveal that he does before arrest, caution, and interview?
At which point H. Fülscher will become aware of the details, and will immediately ask for a pause in the proceedings 
so he can speak privately and at length with his client, whilst they view the material together

If he does not, what is he playing at?
He says he has 'evidence' that Bruckner killed Madeleine, (though interestingly I am not aware he has said he has evidence of an abduction -  ( I may be wrong, so seek help here.)
That evidence can only be photo, video, or just conceivably audio recording
But is must show the event itself, not the acts prior, nor just the acts subsequent, as either of the latter on their own would only 
raise a strong suspicion, and he has said he has Evidence.

Evidence of the actual murder should surely be sufficient to lead to a charge of Murder, and conviction for, at the very least, Manslaughter

Which must lead us to suspect that he does not have any such evidence.
In which case he is lying
Why?
The usual reasons are Money, Fame, Force Majeur (blackmail, political pressure, threats to life or wealth)
But would a State Prosecutor, a very senior 'post' in the German Legal System, sacrifice his reputation - FOR ALL TIME - by risking inevitable exposure, ridicule,  and incurring the wrath of his own professional bodies ?

Who is controlling him ?

Herr Walters seems to be a little confused, or something has been lost in translation again?

They (BKA) think they know that Christian B has done the deed.

Why?

I think the Internet chat protocol gives the best clue. It is a certified documentation of his intent to take something small.
He wanted to use it, then destroy all evidence.
The method of killing was also mentioned.

The problem is, that was recorded while he was under surveillance in 2013.  (As far as I know)

If he had these fantasies which he obviously wanted to fulfill, as demonstrated by his attempts to build Bunkers like Fritzel?

When did these thoughts even enter his mind?

The Fritzel case only emerged in 2008.

It would appear that any attempts to obtain any freedom of information on Christian Bs earlier crimes has been met with resistance from the State. The reported abuses in the 90s are apparently held in Archives in a different County. So although he has allegedly abused victims in the years previously to Maddies disappearance, he has not yet actually killed anyone as far as the State knows.

FragdenStaat.de : Asked for Confirmation and Information on Christian Brückner’s past. Namely;

The Würzburg court judgments or at least a confirmation of the same regarding Christian Brückner on child abuse from 1994. 
For weeks we have been confronted with constantly different information about Christian Brückner's youth and reports / convictions for child abuse. 
Both the press and the judiciary partially contradict each other. 
In addition to the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann, Christian B. should also be charged with other kidnappings / murders of / of children, so there is an immense legitimate public interest. 
Since we as citizens have a right to true and thorough reporting by both the media and the judicial authorities, I would ask you today for information for guidance.
Mr B. is said to have tried to abuse a child in both September 1993 and March 1994. Both were reported and before the district court. At least that's how it got spread. 
Since these notifications / judgments should come from 1994 and are therefore closed, nothing should stand in the way of legal clarification. 
I thank you in advance for the effort and I remain


Answer:


Only available in German, Google translate cannot access the PDF File.


Source: FragdenStaat (AsktheState)


https://fragdenstaat.de/anfrage/gerichtsurteile-oder-auskunft-zu-urteilen-aus-1994-wg-kindesmissbrauch-des-christian-stefan-bruckner/

@Silentscope wrote:Only available in German, Google translate cannot access the PDF File.

Can't you translate - if it's of any interest?

Isn't there a German forum or blog where you can discuss the detail of Christian Brueckner or whatever else takes your fancy?

If not, can't you start one of your own?

@Verdi

It was not of any interest. 

It basically meant the State denied the Application for freedom of information on the basis it was not demonstrated why in the application that it was in the public’s interest.

If the McCanns would like to clear Mr. Brückner of any involvement as I am pretty sure they could, if they wanted to?

Then Germany would have no problem with that I am sure.

Portugal too.

Silentscope wrote:@Verdi

It was not of any interest. 

It basically meant the State denied the Application for freedom of information on the basis it was not demonstrated why in the application that it was in the public’s interest.

If the McCanns would like to clear Mr. Brückner of any involvement as I am pretty sure they could, if they wanted to?

Then Germany would have no problem with that I am sure.

Portugal too.

Plus, the reference to the case of Madeleine McCann has no relevance to Christian Brueckner's past because it is only rumour, speculation and media intrusion. My words of course, not German media or google translation.

The remainder of your response makes no sense whatsoever.

You didn't answer my question .... is there a German forum or blog where you can discuss the detail of Brueckner's criminal activity, past and present, or any other subject matter that takes your fancy?

Plus, the reference to the case of Madeleine McCann has no relevance to Christian Brueckner's past because it is only rumour, speculation and media intrusion.  My words of course, not German media or google translation.

My comment ^^^ only relates to one of the reasons why the freedom of information request you referred to was refused.  Apologies if I didn't make myself clear.

I've edited your post as you copied your own words and posted up in my name ..  

It's still not very clear but I'm sure readers can work it out for themselves.

Even if it is an internet chat, or a signed confession, it has to be checked out 
against the known or ascertainable facts.

And the known and ascertainable facts, so far, show that there was no abduction on 3/5/7.
That is a major stumbling block not only for a potential prosecution,
but also for drafting an interrogation.

Where's that from?

Twitter
https://twitter.com/craig_c83/status/1313216761345593344
I hope that is okay Jill?

Silentscope wrote:Do you believe Madeleine Beth McCann was abducted from her bed in May 2007?

Yes
28.4%

No
71.6%

2,007 votes·Final results

Enough said.

I don't know what this poll has to do with the subject of this thread, but nevertheless, it really is concerning how facts and evidence have taken a backseat to the majority of beliefs that people have about this case.

Believe what you will, but the truth is still the truth, and the truth is that Madeleine McCann was not abducted on the 3rd of May 2007.

Polls are meaningless.

There are two sides to the coin. Those who support the McCanns in their various guises and those who don't, in their various guises.

It's a known fact that both sides have multiple identities floating around cyberspace. Sadly the majority are not concerned about Madeleine McCann in any way, they only persist for notoriety and/or financial gain. As I said elsewhere, you can present the facts and evidence until blue in the face but those who don't want to hear won't listen.

However, as pauloalexandre has said, it has no relevance to this thread.

PeterMac wrote:Even if it is an internet chat, or a signed confession, it has to be checked out 
against the known or ascertainable facts.

And the known and ascertainable facts, so far, show that there was no abduction on 3/5/7.
That is a major stumbling block not only for a potential prosecution,
but also for drafting an interrogation.

I believe the Poll is relevant, because from my point of view it shows that the attempts by the MSM to brainwash your people into believing what they want IS OBVIOUSLY NOT WORKING.

As you can see by the Freedom of Information request from Germany, some people are questioning the States involvement in this case at the highest levels. 

You are not alone apparently.