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Post by Guest 29.11.20 23:43

I doubt anyone cares a fig about the plight of Christian 'he who can't be named' Bruekner, so they use the name Madeleine McCann every time to keep the story alive.

Oddly enough, the Sun tabloid seems to be the primary source of information between the German authorities and UK press coverage.

The same tabloid that has championed the name McCann since the very beginning of this infernal saga. The Sun has never been very far away from promoting the McCann innocence maskerade.

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Seriously - who in their right mind would rely on the Sun?
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Post by PeterMac 30.11.20 7:28

Very few comments so far

Helloplaymates, Skeg, United Kingdom, about 8 hours ago
Is there, or is there not any evidence to convict him of her abduction or murder... If not, let it go
To which I tried replying
                  Is there, or is there not, any evidence of her abduction ?
It has been 'moderated"
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Post by Silentscope 30.11.20 9:26

Whatever happened to the British Lawyers that were being employed by “he who should not be named”?

Or will they only come in to play when he is proved innocent of all dealings in the case of Madeleine McCann?

No idea who they could be...

Enquiring minds would like to know.
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Post by Guest 30.11.20 14:57

The intelligent tabloid hashtag makesufinkdunnit, always a day late and a dollar short.  Maybe it's been checking the fiction facts before reporting..

Maddie McCann suspect 'to be moved to former Gestapo jail before interrogation'


German paedophile Christian Brueckner, who is suspected of abducting and killing Madeleine McCann, will be moved to the Wolfenbuttel or Celle maximum security prison in January, it is reported.

ByChris KitchingSenior News Reporter

   13:43, 30 NOV 2020

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/maddie-mccann-suspect-to-moved-23091982


... the Sun reported.

That would of course be Nick Pisa, chief liaison reporter for the German authorities.

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Post by Silentscope 30.11.20 15:55

Christian Brückners new Cell is being decorated for his transfer so that he will feel “at Home”.

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Post by updown 30.11.20 17:46

Would you not find it interesting though, if he were charged and brought to court?  Key witnesses being cross-examined for instance
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Post by sharonl 30.11.20 20:29

updown wrote:Would you not find it interesting though, if he were charged and brought to court?  Key witnesses being cross-examined for instance

I would pay good money to see that. The tapas 9 and the rest of the coverup brigade all giving their differing stories.
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Post by Guest 01.12.20 0:18

So the investigative journalistic intelligence flows unabated..

Madeleine McCann prosecutors admit they are wary of charging their prime suspect

EXCLUSIVE: Chief prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said that if they file charges and the suspect is acquitted, then the case will be closed forever because of German laws

Madeleine McCann prosecutors admit they are wary of charging their prime suspect because of Germany’s strict double-jeopardy law.

Speaking exclusively to The Mirror, chief prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “If we file charges and he is acquitted, then the case is dead for ever.

“In Germany, once you have been acquitted, you cannot be charged again, at least only in very exceptional cases.

“If we now are hasty and he was acquitted because the court said ‘Ah, we still have a few doubts’ then we would not be able to get him later.”

Speaking from the public prosecution office in Braunschweig, Lower Saxony, Mr Wolters added: “Therefore we want to collect as much evidence as possible.”

Paedophile Brueckner, 43, was named as the prosecution’s prime suspect in the Madeleine case, which Germany is treating as a murder investigation.

Mobile phone records place him in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz on the night Madeleine vanished in May 2007, a few days before her fourth birthday.

A case in Bremen illustrated how rigid the German double-jeopardy law can be.

A taxi driver was acquitted of raping and killing a child but years later advances in forensic technology meant his DNA could be matched to a sperm sample found at the crime scene.

Mr Wolters said: “Here it was completely clear that this taxi driver was the perpetrator, but it was not possible to charge him again… so tragic.”

Brueckner is currently in jail serving a 21-month sentence for drug-running.

It ends in January 2021 but he has already been sentenced to seven years for raping a pensioner in Praia da Luz.

He is appealing this conviction.

Brueckner’s defence lawyer Friedrich Fuelscher declined to comment.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-prosecutors-admit-wary-23094434

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The truth matters not one whit. The ethics of good honest journalism sailed off into the unknown with the Titanic, truth and accuracy are no longer of any importance - just as long as the story sells.

I think it a disgrace but I know many people hang on to every word, or only read for the gossip with no consideration for accuracy.

Reminder: The German authorities are not Madeleine McCann's prosecutors, Christian Brueckner is not the prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and Madeleine McCann was not abducted.

Start with the basic principles and work out from there.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/

That is how true investigative journalism works.

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Post by crusader 01.12.20 10:36

Brueckner was tried and found guilty in Germany of raping an elderly American lady in Portugal wasn't he?

Did the German's have to get permission from the Portuguese courts to try him in Germany?

Why wasn't he tried in Portugal where the crime was committed?

Does this mean the Germans think they are within their rights to try him in Germany for involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.

He is allready going to be serving 7 years for the rape of the American lady.
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Post by Silentscope 01.12.20 11:28

@crusader

It is usual in Germany that its Citizens are not extradited to stand trial in countries outside of its borders. That is a constitutional fact, sorry.

It protects suspects from torture, coercion and the death penalty which is still in use in some countries around the world. 

No disrespect to Portugal. Or America.

At the moment the “ermittlungsverfahren” the Investigation phase is not yet completed. Until CB is questioned, then charged, it will drag on...

Then it will come to a meeting of the Judges, Prosecutors and Defending parties where they will discuss if they have enough evidence to get an conviction or not. The “swischenverfahren”. This stops any time wasting of the Judiciary due to bad cases being presented.

If they then agree that they will more likely get a Conviction than an Acquittal, then it will go to Court in the “Hauptverfahren”. The main event if you will.

He is not going anywhere soon.
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Post by crusader 01.12.20 11:40

Thanks for the explanation Silentscope.
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Post by Silentscope 01.12.20 17:37

It is just a shame I still cannot explain why the BKA and Herr Walters are so convinced it must be him. Despite all the other Evidence.

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Post by MaxHeadroom 01.12.20 18:52

Silentscope wrote:It is just a shame I still cannot explain why the BKA and Herr Walters are so convinced it must be him. Despite all the other Evidence.
Isn't one of the most basic principles for judicial work staying neutral and always considering a case from two sides, not to speak of In Dubio Pro Reo? I don't see one bit of that in the work of Wolters. My only hope is that if CB is eventually going to be tried and acquitted (and he will, as any half-good defense lawyer will pulverize the "evidence" against CB easily), this will cost Wolters his job. He has pretty much injured almost all principles of good police investigation work.
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Post by Silentscope 01.12.20 19:14

If I was Hans Wolters I would be asking myself by now if I Was being set up?
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Post by Guest 01.12.20 21:19

If only the law was that simple and straightforward.

International reciprocate protocol dictates the broad outline of what can and can't be done. A kind of like for like arrangement - murder is murder, sex abuse is sex abuse, armed robbery is armed robbery, on home ground or overseas the fundamental procedures of law remain the same within the civilized developed world.

Germany, like Portugal, is a member state of the European Union, they are governed by the same rules, regulations and laws as any other member state. They can't pick and choose to suit themselves - why else did the majority of British citizens vote to leave the European Union?

Providing the overseas territory follow the same criteria as regards protection and treatment of the suspect or prisoner, what ever stage of proceedings an individual finds his/herself in.

Portugal retain primacy over the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. If another country has reason to believe they have someone in custody or under suspicion that might link to a crime committed overseas, like that of Madeleine McCann, that information should be passed over to the leading investigative force. No ifs or buts!

Extradition is not a problem providing the overseas territory complies with international law and policing protocol.

I have no reason to think Portugal is breaking national or international laws.
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Post by Silentscope 02.12.20 9:54

extradition to Portugal


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Extradition to Portugal may take place on the basis of a European arrest warrant (EAW). Germany and Portugal have extradition traffic in both directions. German nationals may also be extradited to Portugal for prosecution on the basis of a European arrest warrant.



German extradition lawyer on European arrest warrant from Portugal


In Portugal, a European arrest warrant is issued by a judge or public prosecutor, the public prosecutor having jurisdiction only during the investigation procedure. As grounds for imprisonment, Portuguese law knows the risk of flight, collusion, recurrence or serious disturbance of public order. Arrest warrants may be suspended and the accused may request that detention be replaced by house arrest or other measures, including the lodging of a bail or notification requirements. An arrest warrant issued by the public prosecutor's office may be challenged before the investigating judge. An appeal can be lodged with the Court of Appeal against the decision. A judicial arrest warrant may be appealed directly to the Court of Appeal. During extradition proceedings, Portuguese colleagues tell me that the accused need not be present in Portugal to challenge the arrest warrant.



Source: Rechtsanwalt Seite

Also of future interest for Britain 

European fugitives could seek to escape justice by fleeing to their home countries after Brexit, it has emerged.
Austria, Germany, and Slovenia confirmed they would not extradite their nationals to the UK during the transition period.
All three countries are forbidden by their own constitutions to extradite their own citizens to non-EU countries, which the UK will soon become, and each country would likely to have to change its constitution in order to close the potential loophole. It raises the prospect that a German, Austrian, or Slovenian national could commit a crime in the UK before fleeing to their respective home country, thereby escaping criminal prosecution in the UK during this year.


Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/eu-countries-have-stopped-extraditing-criminals-to-uk-after-brexit-2020-1?r=US&IR=T


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Post by Guest 02.12.20 11:18

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Here we go again - only 23 days to Christmask..

NO GOING BACK Madeleine McCann prosecutor terrified Christan B will WALK FREE if he botches case and paedo is acquitted


   Imogen Braddick

   1 Dec 2020, 11:38Updated: 1 Dec 2020, 12:52

MADELEINE McCann prosecutors have admitted they are terrified their prime suspect will walk free if the case is botched, according to reports.

In June, convicted rapist and paedophile Christian B, 43, was identified by German cops as the prime suspect for Madeleine's disappearance in Portugal 13 years ago.

The suspect is currently in jail after being convicted of raping a 72-year-old woman in Praia da Luz in 2005 - two years before the British youngster vanished from the same resort in May 2007 aged three.

Prosecutors said in June they had ''concrete evidence'' Madeleine was dead and that Christian B was responsible.

However, no charges have been brought yet and fears have been growing that the case has stalled.

Hans Christian Wolters has admitted that the prosecutors are wary of charging Christian B over the disappearance of Madeleine due to Germany's strict double-jeopardy laws.

"If we file charges and he is acquitted, then the case is dead forever," the chief prosecutor told the Mirror.

“In Germany, once you have been acquitted, you cannot be charged again, at least only in very exceptional cases.

"If we now are hasty and he was acquitted because the court said ‘Ah, we still have a few doubts’ then we would not be able to get him later."

Wolters added: "Therefore we want to collect as much evidence as possible."

MONSTER CAGED

Christian B is set to be moved to a maximum security prison ahead of questioning in the New Year after judges rejected his appeal on a rape conviction earlier this month.

He had appealed against the conviction on a technicality but judges dismissed it, which left Madeleine investigators delighted.

One said: "It's great news. It means he won't be going anywhere for a very long time and so we can carry on building up our case against him."

He will be moved from Kiel maximum security prison to one 200 miles south in Lower Saxony at either Celle or Wolfenbuttel, and parole will be an option only from 2023.

It comes after he was pictured shackled two weeks ago after having two ribs broken in an alleged jail-attack at the hands of prison guards at a court in Germany.

A source at the court said he had "thrown a tantrum'' in his cell, smearing it with yoghurt and blocking the toilet with loo roll, because guards were filming him.

Earlier this month, Wolters revealed holiday snaps from Brits could help build a case against Christian B.

But an international row broke out as a leaked memo revealed Portuguese cops rubbished the German probe into Madeleine's disappearance.

Local officers insisted counterparts in Germany have no solid evidence that Christian B was involved in snatching the British toddler.

The leaked memo from the Policia Judiciaria, seen by The Sun, revealed dismissive comments made in an internal email following a top secret conference in Lisbon.

Officials from the Policia Judiciaria in Portugal, Germany's BKA and Scotland Yard had met to discuss the state of the probe.

'SO BAD'

An unidentified Portuguese officer claimed that the German BKA had no solid leads and were just holding the suspect in jail in the hope they can make two other sex cases against him stick.

He wrote: ''There is no evidence, just speculation. When reading the German case I was shocked. I never thought that the BKA would investigate so badly.

"It is not a serious and objective investigation, but only just to keep the suspect in prison at all costs.

''The meeting was to get the point of the situation, the BKA wants to investigate the other two cases of possible sexual harassment, so that the suspect does not leave prison until the end of the year and they will drop the suspect.''

Portuguese cops have been accused of bungling the investigation and lead officer Goncalo Amaral was later fired after pursuing a false theory that Kate and Gerry McCann were responsible.

Last month Christian B's lawyer Friedrich Fulscher - who insists his client is innocent - called on prosecutors to reveal their evidence to be ''fair'' to his client and the McCann family.

He added: ''The prosecutor has not revealed anything to us about the investigation.

"They are adamant but they are chasing someone who is just convenient to them.''

Madeleine was three when she vanished from a flat in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz while on holiday with her family in May 2007.

Three wells near the resort are known to have been searched in July but police and firefighters failed to find any trace of Madeleine.

The abandoned wells are a 15-minute drive from Christian B's rented cottage on the outskirts of Praia de Luz, on a narrow road leading down to a beach where the paedophile used to park his VW camper van.

Christian B is also being probed in Germany over a 2004 Algarve rape and a sex attack on a beach near Praia da Luz a month before Madeleine vanished.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13346424/madeleine-mccann-prosecutor-christan-b/
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Portuguese cops have been accused of bungling the investigation and lead officer Goncalo Amaral was later fired after pursuing a false theory that Kate and Gerry McCann were responsible.

what

No they didn't and no he wasn't!

All these pending crimes and they can't find a single one to 'cage the paedo monster'.  What a lovely way the tabloids have with words innit.

Read:  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/
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Post by Silentscope 02.12.20 12:34

agreed

Which parts of Dr.Amarals theory have the Sun proved to be wrong?

The Suspects have not yet been cleared of any involvement.

Not libel. Opinion based on facts revealed by the Investigation.

The McCann’ went on to sue Mr Amaral for libel, stating that the global search for their daughter was obstructed by his claim Madeleine was dead. This resulted in the decision to award them damages and costs totalling £436,000 to be overturned on appeal, justified by the fact that the detective was entitled to express his opinions under freedom of speech, a decision that was ratified by the highest authority in the country, Portugal’s Supreme Court.


Source: https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/mccann-parents-taking-legal-action-against-portugal/52927?fbclid=IwAR0VuOTzevlBiwZlXw9GqDTjEdeEDJIvJ_ijWmLh4dlbRdWN2vx-i4hIePA
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Post by Guest 02.12.20 23:53

omgomg The man of the moment, tabloid reporter extraordinaire, Nick Pisa, liaison chief for the German authorities has yet another tale to tell..

MADDIE BREAKTHROUGH Madeleine McCann cops ‘confident’ of charging prime suspect Christian B with her disappearance

Exclusive

Nick Pisa

2 Dec 2020, 21:15Updated: 2 Dec 2020, 22:02

PROSECUTORS say they are confident of charging Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian B over her disappearance.

The convicted paedophile and rapist, 43, in jail in Germany, was identified by detectives there earlier this year as the man responsible.

They had “concrete evidence” Madeleine was dead.

And they are also set to charge him with three other sex crimes on Portugal’s Algarve coast, where Madeleine vanished aged three on holiday with parents Kate and Gerry in 2007.

He is being investigated over the rape of Irish tour guide Hazel Behan and indecent exposures to kids.

Speaking to The Sun from his office in Braunschweig, Germany, prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “Whether and when charges will be brought in these cases cannot be predicted at present.

'”I am also very confident with the investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance but due to the scope of the case, the other proceedings can be expected to conclude earlier.”

A source close to the probe said: “Things are moving along in the case and there have been several promising leads and tips, especially from British holidaymakers who were in Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance.

“We are hopeful of a breakthrough. At the moment we do not have enough to charge him with Madeleine’s disappearance but the evidence in the other cases is very strong.”

Madeleine, from Leicestershire, was snatched a month after a ten-year-old German girl said a man performed a sex act in front of her at a nearby beach.

She came forward after seeing TV coverage of Christian B.

Hazel, now 37, was bound, gagged and raped in her apartment 30 minutes away in 2004.

She suspects it was Christian B after reading of his conviction last year for raping a 72-year-old woman at her home in Praia da Luz in 2005 in a sickeningly similar case.

Several children also reported a man matching his description had exposed himself in in 2017.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13365219/maddie-cops-confident-charge-christian-b/

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This carp has been regurgitated time and time again over the last six months - give it a rest. It's no more convincing then than it is now.

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Post by PeterMac 03.12.20 6:52

"At the moment we do not have enough to charge him with Madeleine’s disappearance "
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Post by Guest 03.12.20 12:13

Talking of 'makesuthonkdunnit', the intelligent tabloid is at it again..

Madeleine McCann: Police 'confident' of charging suspect with other offences

The German 43-year-old convicted paedophile and rapist Christian Brueckner, who is currently in jail for drug offences, was named by detectives as the prime suspect earlier this year
ByLorraine King

09:18, 3 DEC 2020Updated10:06, 3 DEC 2020

Prosecutors have said they are confident they will be able to charge Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner with other offences.

Earlier this year the convicted paedophile and rapist, who is currently in jail for drug offences and rape, was named by detectives as the chief suspect in the three-year-old's disappearance.

They also said they have “concrete evidence” Madeleine was dead.

German Brueckner, 43, could also be charged with three other sex crimes on the Algarve coast in Portugal where Madeleine vanished in May 2007 while on holiday with her parents Kate and Gerry and her twin siblings.

Detectives are also looking into if he was involved in indecent exposures to children and the rape of Irish tour guide Hazel Behan.

Prosecutor Christian Wolters told The Sun: "Whether and when charges will be brought in these cases cannot be predicted at present.

'”I am also very confident with the investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance but due to the scope of the case, the other proceedings can be expected to conclude earlier.”

A source close to the investigation told The Sun "things are moving along and there "have been several promising leads and tips" including information from British holidaymakers who were in Praia da Luz when Madeleine disappeared.

They added: “We are hopeful of a breakthrough. At the moment we do not have enough to charge him with Madeleine’s disappearance but the evidence in the other cases is very strong.”

Madeleine, from Leicestershire, was snatched a month after a ten-year-old German girl said a man performed a sex act in front of her at a nearby beach.

The girl came forward after seeing TV coverage of Brueckner.

Several children also reported a man matching the description of Brueckner had exposed himself in in 2017.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-confident-able-23107662


I doubt anyone would care a fig about Christian Brueckner if the name 'Madeleine McCann' wasn't tagged to every article.

Why has Herr Wolters selected The Sun, of all tabloids, to convey his message from Germany over to Britain - I won't say Great because it's not looking that way at present. Is it you Mitch, working full-time behind the scenes, or perhaps some other unnamed source with a vested interest?

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Post by Silentscope 03.12.20 12:55

Herr Wolters might like to see the results of a recent online poll.

Who is closest to TRUTH?

PORTUGAL
88.3%

UK
3.5%

GERMANY
8.2%


1,231 votes·Final results
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Post by ROSA 03.12.20 21:51

I'm not buying that he had any involvement with Madeleine McCann yeah so pin the tail on the patsy I think they need to look closer to home

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And he adds: "In reality, when the McCanns went to Oprah's Show, the blanket was mentioned. At a given moment, when Oprah tells Kate that she heard her mention a blanket several times, Kate argued that a mother who misses a child always wants to know if she is comfortable, if she is warm, and added, referring to Maddie, that sometimes she asked herself if the person who had taken her would cover her up with her little blanket (but the blanket was on the bed after Maddie, supposedly, disappeared!!!).
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Post by MaxHeadroom 04.12.20 17:26

Verdi wrote:omgomg   The man of the moment, tabloid reporter extraordinaire, Nick Pisa, liaison chief for the German authorities has yet another tale to tell..

MADDIE BREAKTHROUGH Madeleine McCann cops ‘confident’ of charging prime suspect Christian B with her disappearance

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PROSECUTORS say they are confident of charging Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian B over her disappearance.
Being confident = Not being sure = Hoping
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Post by Silentscope 04.12.20 17:35

Was that information “from a source close to the investigation”?

I am still waiting to “fall out of my chair”!

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Post by Guest 04.12.20 19:04

I expect the McCanns will announce they are 'buoyed' by this news?
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Post by sharonl 04.12.20 22:35

CaKeLoveR wrote:I expect the McCanns will announce they are 'buoyed' by this news?

Before, after or during their Christmas appeal?

But then, we haven't had one for a few years have we?

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Post by donnajaidon 05.12.20 0:58

Some new information for you all to be aware of including the police.

Christian Brueckner incorporated a company within Sept 2008 called VISARIO with a company called Go Ahead Services Limited when I saw this alarm bells started ringing.

Company Correspondance address for VISARIO is Augustenstrasse 26, leipzig,04317 Germany

Company Correspondance address for Go Ahead Services Limited is 69 Great Hampton Street Birmingham (Secretary) apparently.

I have found out this company has also off shore accounts called Bos Trust Company Jersey



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Post by Guest 05.12.20 5:58

the date of birth given fot the director of visario is 1973, christian b. the german unofficial suspect was born in 1976.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/06691906/officers

i do not have the exact date of birth at hand for cb, but in june it was said he was 43 years old.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/deviance-began-in-childhood-xq5xstc53

so you got the wrong mister brueckner.
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Post by Silentscope 05.12.20 9:13

When the Suspect CB was born, he was named Fischer.
07.12.76
There are several other “Christian Brückners” in Germany.

Confusion is good.
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