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Post by Guest 05.06.20 23:55

Important Note to national and regional press editors and sub-editors and reporters and journalists and investigative journalists and hacks and the Olive Press and .... oh of course you, Olive Oyl - we know some of you look in here from time to time, spread the word loud and clear..

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Post by Eastree27 06.06.20 0:13

What a coincedence a new round of dangerous foreigners is run in the press at a time when it is very useful for government policy.
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Post by Eastree27 06.06.20 0:26

The news is lying as well - First reports said he hinted his involvement to someone in a bar on the 10th anniversary - ITV are now saying he confessed his involvement to the someone in a bar on the 10th anniversary. That's a pretty big difference.
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Post by dottyaussie 06.06.20 1:09

Isn't there a police report or witness statement of someone in a campervan on the beach on the night of the search??
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Post by Guest 06.06.20 1:41

The beauty of convicted criminals serving a prison sentence - they can't be hounded and interviewed, so silence is golden and the press are free to embellish without restraint..




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By Ian Gallagher
Last updated at 12:12 AM on 8th May 2011
 
Two convicted paedophiles have been questioned by British police over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Charles O'Neill, 48, and William Lauchlan, 34, were jailed last year over sex attacks on children and the murder of a mother who had threatened to expose them.
The Mail on Sunday has learned they were interviewed in prison by detectives after inquiries revealed they were touring Spain, and possibly Portugal, on false passports when Madeleine vanished in May 2007.
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Jailed: Charles O'Neill, left, and William Lauchlan have now been quetioned over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
It is the first time that it has become known publicly that British police have interviewed anyone in connection with the case. Both men are described as highly dangerous.
Police interest in O'Neill, in particular, was heightened because of his resemblance to a thin, spotty suspect seen hanging around the holiday complex in Praia da Luz on the Algarve shortly before three-year-old Madeleine vanished.
A senior officer involved in the investigation said: 'Lauchlan and O'Neill have been interviewed in prison but the whole Madeleine McCann inquiry is being kept extremely tight at the very highest level.
'Basically nobody outside Leicestershire Constabulary knows exactly what is going on with the McCann inquiry.'
Leicestershire Police said they could not comment because the inquiry is being led by the Policia Judiciaria in Lisbon.
The development came as, for the first time, Madeleine's mother Kate described in chilling detail the moment she discovered her daughter was missing from her bed at their holiday apartment.
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Missing: Madeleine McCann disappeared on a family holiday to Portugal - and now two prisoners are being questioned with regards to her disappearance
Madeleine disappeared from her room at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007. Mrs McCann and her husband Gerry, on holiday with seven friends, had been dining less than 100 yards away in a tapas restaurant on the Mark Warner complex.
The adults had taken it in turns to check on the sleeping children. In a book to be published this week, Mrs McCann, 43, relives the moment she returned to the apartment, where she had left Madeleine beside twins Amelie and Sean, then aged two.
She tells how she realised something was wrong when she noticed that the door to the children's bedroom was wide open ' not as she and her husband had left it. She glanced at Madeleine's bed but couldn't make her out in the dark.
When she was sure Madeleine wasn't there, she went to check her own room. When she could not see her daughter there either, she panicked and ran back to the children's room.
'My heart lurched as I saw now that, behind them, the window was wide open and the shutters on the outside raised all the way up. Nausea, terror, disbelief, fear. Icy fear. Dear God, no! Please, no!'
Mrs McCann, a former GP, said she went automatically into what she calls a 'well-practised medical emergency mode', scouring the apartment to exclude all other possibilities, 'mentally ticking boxes I knew, deep down, were already ticked'.
She then ran back to her husband and their friends in the restaurant. 'As soon as our table was in sight
I started screaming, 'Madeleine's gone! Someone's taken her!' '
The group returned to the apartment to widen the search and raise the alarm.
Mrs McCann said: 'I vividly recall sobbing, 'Not Madeleine, not Madeleine.' I was trying so hard to suppress the negative voice in my head tormenting me with the words, 'She's gone. She's gone.'
'Even now, when the dark clouds close in on me, I find myself shaking my head manically and repeating over and over again, 'Not Madeleine, not Madeleine. Please God, not my Madeleine.''
The book, Madeleine, took Mrs McCann nine months to complete. It is based on diaries she has written for her daughter to read if she is found. It will be published on May 12 ' Madeleine's eighth birthday. The McCanns say all proceeds will go to the fund that was set up to cover the costs of the worldwide search for their child.
That search has now focused on Lauchlan and O'Neill, who are childhood friends originally from Largs, near Glasgow. They were jailed for a total of 56 years last June for a catalogue of abuse both in Britain and abroad.

[Acknowledgement pamalam of gerrymccannsblog]

Did someone say something about bungling Portuguese sardine munching cops?
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pauloalexandre wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
pauloalexandre wrote:I was just watching a Portuguese news report about how "Maddie could still be alive" and how this lead is "highly credible".

It's inexcusable for the Portuguese press to continue parroting the lies of the UK establishment and media, after all the interviews they conducted with Gonçalo Amaral and other credible experts, and the evidence that they discussed.

Madeleine deserves better.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna rewatch a great documentary presented by an actual journalist.


Thank you very much for this post Paulo, and for posting this link to Richard's comprehensive documentary. I hope you are well. It sounds as if you are in good form, anyway.

You may be interested that Richard Hall is actively looking for someone to translate and add subtitles for this documentary for a Portuguese (and Brazilian) audience. It would be something like this excellent subtitling done five years ago by a Spanish contact of ours, 'Mercedes':

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La verdadera historia de Madeleine McCann 1a Patre (there are 4 parts, all of them subtitled in Spanish. 

If you are interested in this project, or if you know someone who could translate Richard's video either from English or Spanish into Portuguese, please contact Jill Havern. Proper rates for translation work would be paid. 
Hello Tony.

Thank you for you comment.

Just to clear this up... you're not confusing me with Paulo Reis, right?
Pauloalexandre,

Do you live in Portugal?  I have a specific reason for asking but if you'd rather not say, it matters not. 

Nothing sinister, just my way of advancing CMOMM's profile across the globe.

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Post by Milo 06.06.20 4:28

And the beat goes on - does this sound a bit like the Christian Brueckner story in the Madeleine saga?


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A nanny who looked after [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in the holiday resort before she disappeared recognised a photo of Christian Brueckner when she was shown it by Portuguese police.
She was handed the photo and told his name just five days after the child disappeared.
Read that again slowly.
THE PJ KNEW ALL ABOUT BRÜCKNER AND HE WAS IN THEIR SYSTEM AS A SUSPECT
Obviously.  He was one of the usual suspects.
13 years ago.
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A nanny who looked after [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in the holiday resort before she disappeared recognised a photo of Christian Brueckner when she was shown it by Portuguese police.
She was handed the photo and told his name just five days after the child disappeared.
Read that again slowly.
THE PJ KNEW ALL ABOUT BRÜCKNER AND HE WAS IN THEIR SYSTEM AS A SUSPECT
Obviously.  He was one of the usual suspects.
13 years ago.
The sleight of hand is amazing.


Police interviews in 2007 and 2008 show that witnesses saw a man acting strangely near the apartment where Maddie was staying with her family. 
The same man?
And the descriptions. given...?

Honest journalism would be asking too much I suppose.
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Post by Guest 06.06.20 7:54

Tasmin Silence statement 9th May:


She said that she can recognise the man both personally and photographically, and create a photofit.

Therefore I interrupt the present deposition and show the deponent photographs of individuals with similar characteristics.

I resume the deposition where it is consigned that the diligence resulted negatively, according to a report that is annexed.
Was she shown the same pictures as the nanny?
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Post by Flossy 06.06.20 8:09

sharonl wrote:Is this the old barn or farmhouse that these reports are relating to?

Blood on towel may be from Madeleine

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By Matt Drake in Praia da Luz and James Murray
2 December 2007

THE hunt for Madeleine McCann was last night centred on a disused barn near Praia da Luz, where police found a towel possibly stained with the fouryear-old's blood.

Fibres found on the towel allegedly match fibres from the hire car rented by Maddie's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann.

Portuguese detectives discussed the breakthrough when they met police and a Crown Prosecution Service official last week in Leicester.

Today, for the first time, the Sunday Express can shed light on the new avenue police are pursuing in the hope of a breakthrough in the baffling case.

Based on fresh information from a mobile phone surveillance, police began a search of an area in the south east of the resort.

They came across a towel, with an Aztec design, by a disused barn in a remote area near Praia da Luz.

Portuguese sources say forensic scientists used a substance called luminol to look for blood deposits and found three sites on the edges of the towel.

From the sites they tested the blood deposits to see if there was a match with Madeleine McCann's DNA.

Although the samples were not good quality the scientists were able to do what is called low copy analysis which showed there was "moderate" support to suggest the deposits matched Madeleine's blood.

The results were not conclusive and are not regarded as being strong enough to be presented as evidence in any court case.

But close analysis of the towel revealed fibres which were not made of the towel material.

The fibre fragments were microscopically examined against fibres found in the boot of the Renault Scenic car hired by the McCanns 25 days after Maddie vanished.

Portuguese police sources say there was "strong support" that the fibres found on the towel matched fibres from the boot of the car.

One possibility being considered by the Portuguese detectives was that the towel had at some point been in the boot of the Renault Scenic car, which would explain how fibres had got on it.

Meanwhile, a close friend of Kate and Gerry McCann who was holidaying with them when Madeleine vanished will be questioned by Portuguese police this week over a "mystery' phone call.

Dr Russell O'Brien, 36, has come under investigation after a team of telephone surveillance officers highlighted a mobile call made to the missing four-year-old's father more than a month after she disappeared.

Portuguese detectives are now working on the theory that a call made between Gerry McCann, 39, and Dr O'Brien is the missing link that could help them find Madeleine's body.

Investigators are focussing their inquiry on the exact whereabouts of Dr O'Brien when the call was made on June 10.

Gerry McCann said the call was made within four kilometres of the Mark Warner resort.

But technicians have now dismissed his claim after examining data records taken from specified areas near to where the child went missing.

It is understood key words aroused police suspicions.


First time I have heard about this towel and car fibres. I watched one of the sky news reports back and a detective on there (not one actively involved in the case) thought that mobile phone data holds the key to solving the case.
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Post by PeterMac 06.06.20 8:51

Just suppose that he confesses
Just suppose he gives details – as he will have to for his confessions to be accepted at all.
Just suppose he relates how he watched the parents leaving each evening and NOT locking the door
Just suppose he relates that immediately after they left he simply wandered up the stairs, through the patio door, took M, and wandered out again.

Then, will the sky fall in on the McCanns for neglect, negligence, and all the rest.

Involve = Have or include (something) as a necessary or integral part or result. 
Leaving the patio door open is a necessary part of the result.  It facilitates the Means
Leaving the children alone every night provides the Opportunity.

IF, and only IF it was him, of course.  
For which there is no evidence.
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Just suppose he relates that immediately after they left he simply wandered up the stairs, through the patio door, took M, and wandered out again
After leaving the bedroom window open for some strange reason.

All in a tight time frame as someone was passing (or indeed in the flat) every few minutes.

The "how" will be amazing.
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Post by Ladyinred 06.06.20 9:41

Reading the news, he's definitely the man.  It all fits, can't you see?

He sounds an abhorrent individual but, if the police are serious about charging him (if and when they find evidence), he has a legal right to a fair trial. That looks jeopardised to me.
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Post by Doug D 06.06.20 9:57

But he's not dead! (yet?)
Certainly needs to be watching his back, or he might be 'Epsteined'.
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Post by Stffl 06.06.20 10:15

I’m struggling to come up with a reasonable scenario but can’t it be that this man is indeed involved in some way by helping the McCanns? That he lent his campervan to the McCanns for example, that he made that 8 o`clock call to say that everything was in position for the abduction show to start? That he let the McCanns use his farmhouse to hide Madeleine`s body?

Unlikely of course but just trying to keep a somewhat open mind
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Textusa has published a transcript of the TV interview with Henrique Machado on TVI from the other night:
 
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Post by Jill Havern 06.06.20 11:00

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Just suppose he relates that immediately after they left he simply wandered up the stairs, through the patio door, took M, and wandered out again
After leaving the bedroom window open for some strange reason.

All in a tight time frame as someone was passing (or indeed in the flat) every few minutes.

The "how" will be amazing.
Wasn't it said the abductor used chloroform?

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Post by Eastree27 06.06.20 11:21

Sky News - Madeleine McCann: German authorities 'ignored tip-off about suspect in 2013' 



The disappearance of a six-year-old boy who went missing in the Portuguese Algarve in 1996 is also reportedly being re-examined.



German authorities reportedly ignored warnings from their own police seven years ago that suspect Christian B could have abducted and killed Madeleine McCann.
A report from detectives monitoring Christian B identified him as a key suspect in the Madeleine mystery, but it was ignored by Germany's Federal Criminal Office, according to news magazine Der Spiegel.

The 2013 police report was triggered after British detectives made a new appeal in the Madeleine case on a German Crimewatch-style TV show.

Scotland Yard had just launched its own investigation and was appealing to European tourists who might have been in Portugal when Madeline vanished from the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in 2007.
The report was sent to federal police HQ by police in Braunschweig, who were monitoring Christian B's criminal behaviour. By that time he already had convictions for child sex abuse.


Der Spiegel writes: "One person did submit a tip about Christian B, but the resulting report from police in Braunschweig to the Federal Office of Criminal Investigation was apparently not acted upon, much to the consternation of the local investigators."

It comes as German police are said to be investigating the new Madeleine suspect for possible involvement in the disappearance of a boy in Portugal in 1996.

They are re-examining the disappearance of Rene Hasee, according to German media.
The then six-year-old from Elsdorf, Germany, went missing from a beach while on holiday with his family in the Portuguese Algarve.

It follows the launch of an investigation into whether the suspect was involved in the disappearance of another child - [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
The five-year-old vanished during a family barbecue in the Saxony-Anhalt region on 2 May 2015.
She is thought to have wandered into a forest in search of firewood, and is known by German media as "the German Maddie".
Officers have named the suspect - a convicted child sex offender - only as Christian B and have not revealed his surname for legal reasons.
A Sky News investigation discovered last year that he was already being considered as a potential suspect for Inga's disappearance.
It is understood his home was searched by police in 2016, but no action was taken.
He reportedly had a property around 60 miles (100km) southwest of Stendal in the town of Neuwegersleben when Inga disappeared.
A year later, he became a suspect in the Madeleine case after police were tipped off by a man who claimed Christian B had indicated he was responsible for her abduction.

Christian B is currently in a German prison serving a seven-year sentence for the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Portugal 15 years ago. He was convicted of the offence at Braunschweig District Court in December last year.
The suspect had lived in the Germany city of Braunschweig before going abroad.
Madeleine was nearly four when she vanished from her bedroom on 3 May 2007 during a family holiday in the Algarve, Portugal, while her parents were dining with friends nearby.
German police said he lived in the Algarve between 1995 and 2007.

Sky News' crime correspondent Martin Brunt said: "This man came back into the frame in 2017 as a result of an alleged confession.
"I understand he was in a bar in Germany with another man, around the tenth anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance. A report came on the TV about the anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance and he said something to suggest that he knew what happened.
"He also allegedly showed a video of himself raping a woman. Video of the rape led to an investigation that last year meant he was convicted of the rape of a tourist on the Algarve in around 2005.
"That is what brought him back into the frame."

A spokesman for Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, said they believe the identification of the German suspect is "the most significant development in 13 years".
Clarence Mitchell, a spokesman for Madeleine's family, said her parents are "trying to maintain as normal a life as possible" and awaiting updates from police.
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Police have appealed for anyone with information about the suspect to come forward, including about the movements of two vehicles linked to him during the period around Madeleine's disappearance.

Both cars, a Volkswagen camper van and a Jaguar, are now in the possession of German police.
The suspect had the Jaguar re-registered in Germany under someone else's name the day after Madeleine went missing, although it is believed the vehicle was still in Portugal.
The Metropolitan Police has received more than 270 calls and emails since launching the new appeal.
Detective Chief Inspector Mark Cranwell says Scotland Yard is "pleased" with the information coming into the incident room, and is assessing and prioritising the new leads.
The force's Operation Grange still considers the case a missing person inquiry because there is no "definitive evidence whether Madeleine is alive or dead".
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Post by Eastree27 06.06.20 11:23

Stffl wrote:I’m struggling to come up with a reasonable scenario but can’t it be that this man is indeed involved in some way by helping the McCanns? That he lent his campervan to the McCanns for example, that he made that 8 o`clock call to say that everything was in position for the abduction show to start? That he let the McCanns use his farmhouse to hide Madeleine`s body?

Unlikely of course but just trying to keep a somewhat open mind
If Murrat  and/or someone else local was involved it's possible the McCann's got a way to be linked to him.
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Post by Tony Bennett 06.06.20 11:46

Eastree27 wrote:
Stffl wrote:I’m struggling to come up with a reasonable scenario but can’t it be that this man is indeed involved in some way by helping the McCanns? That he lent his campervan to the McCanns for example, that he made that 8 o`clock call to say that everything was in position for the abduction show to start? That he let the McCanns use his farmhouse to hide Madeleine`s body?

Unlikely of course but just trying to keep a somewhat open mind
If Murat and/or someone else local was involved it's possible the McCanns got a way to be linked to him.

Elsewhere on the forum are detailed analyses of Robert Murat's involvement in this case. 

There is a great deal of circumstantial evidence that Robert Murat was known by, or to, members of the McCann Team before May 2007.  

We also know for certain that he and Martin Smith knew each other; they had met 'several times' over a period of two years.

Murat's mother was friendly with Mrs Pamela Fenn.

Someone summoned Murat on Monday 30 April 2007 to fly out urgently to Praia da Luz. He flew out on the next available plane from Exeter Airport at 7am the following morning.

During the next three days we don't really know what he did, because when questioned by police about his actions he told over a dozen barefaced lies about what he'd really been doing. We still don't know.

There is a great deal of evidence that he was actively helping the McCann Team for the first 10 days after Madeleine was reported missing. Thereafter he mysteriously became the 'fall guy' and was arrested on suspicion of abducting Madeleine on 15 May.

I have proposed that prior to Madeleine's disappearance there were two separate but related groups of people, let's for now call them 'The McCann Group' and 'The Mcann Group'. They may have had a joint interest in some kind of activity. 

Somehow these two groups were both connected with what happened to Madeleine.

These two groups met up to resolve their serious differences at the villa of Ralph and Sally Eveleigh, 'Salsalito', on 13 November 2007. There is much information about this event on this forum.

In my judgmemt, this case cannot be understood without people having a clear understanding of what happened at that absolutely crucial meeting. It is a key to the whole case.

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Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by Jill Havern 06.06.20 11:52

Tony Bennett wrote:
Eastree27 wrote:
Stffl wrote:I’m struggling to come up with a reasonable scenario but can’t it be that this man is indeed involved in some way by helping the McCanns? That he lent his campervan to the McCanns for example, that he made that 8 o`clock call to say that everything was in position for the abduction show to start? That he let the McCanns use his farmhouse to hide Madeleine`s body?

Unlikely of course but just trying to keep a somewhat open mind
If Murat and/or someone else local was involved it's possible the McCanns got a way to be linked to him.

Elsewhere on the forum are detailed analyses of Robert Murat's involvement in this case. 

There is a great deal of circumstantial evidence that Robert Murat was known by, or to, members of the McCann Team before May 2007.  

We also know for certain that he and Martin Smith knew each other; they had met 'several times' over a period of two years.

Murat's mother was friendly with Mrs Pamela Fenn.
Not to mention his very friendly telephone conversation with Martin Brunt about some kind of 'contract'.

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Post by Eastree27 06.06.20 11:59

Jill Havern wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Eastree27 wrote:
Stffl wrote:I’m struggling to come up with a reasonable scenario but can’t it be that this man is indeed involved in some way by helping the McCanns? That he lent his campervan to the McCanns for example, that he made that 8 o`clock call to say that everything was in position for the abduction show to start? That he let the McCanns use his farmhouse to hide Madeleine`s body?

Unlikely of course but just trying to keep a somewhat open mind
If Murat and/or someone else local was involved it's possible the McCanns got a way to be linked to him.

Elsewhere on the forum are detailed analyses of Robert Murat's involvement in this case. 

There is a great deal of circumstantial evidence that Robert Murat was known by, or to, members of the McCann Team before May 2007.  

We also know for certain that he and Martin Smith knew each other; they had met 'several times' over a period of two years.

Murat's mother was friendly with Mrs Pamela Fenn.
Not to mention his very friendly telephone conversation with Martin Brunt about some kind of 'contract'.
Who is still very active in the reporting of the case.
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Post by crispbee2000 06.06.20 12:06

Jill Havern wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
Just suppose he relates that immediately after they left he simply wandered up the stairs, through the patio door, took M, and wandered out again
After leaving the bedroom window open for some strange reason.

All in a tight time frame as someone was passing (or indeed in the flat) every few minutes.

The "how" will be amazing.
Wasn't it said the abductor used chloroform?
Where does the ref to chloroform come from?
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Post by Eastree27 06.06.20 12:08

Tony Bennett wrote:
Eastree27 wrote:
Stffl wrote:I’m struggling to come up with a reasonable scenario but can’t it be that this man is indeed involved in some way by helping the McCanns? That he lent his campervan to the McCanns for example, that he made that 8 o`clock call to say that everything was in position for the abduction show to start? That he let the McCanns use his farmhouse to hide Madeleine`s body?

Unlikely of course but just trying to keep a somewhat open mind
If Murat and/or someone else local was involved it's possible the McCanns got a way to be linked to him.

Elsewhere on the forum are detailed analyses of Robert Murat's involvement in this case. 

There is a great deal of circumstantial evidence that Robert Murat was known by, or to, members of the McCann Team before May 2007.  

We also know for certain that he and Martin Smith knew each other; they had met 'several times' over a period of two years.

Murat's mother was friendly with Mrs Pamela Fenn.

Someone summoned Murat on Monday 30 April 2007 to fly out urgently to Praia da Luz. He flew out on the next available plane from Exeter Airport at 7am the following morning.

During the next three days we don't really know what he did, because when questioned by police about his actions he told over a dozen barefaced lies about what he'd really been doing. We still don't know.

There is a great deal of evidence that he was actively helping the McCann Team for the first 10 days after Madeleine was reported missing. Thereafter he mysteriously became the 'fall guy' and was arrested on suspicion of abducting Madeleine on 15 May.

I have proposed that prior to Madeleine's disappearance there were two separate but related groups of people, let's for now call them 'The McCann Group' and 'The Mcann Group'. They may have had a joint interest in some kind of activity. 

Somehow these two groups were both connected with what happened to Madeleine.

These two groups met up to resolve their serious differences at the villa of Ralph and Sally Eveleigh, 'Salsalito', on 13 November 2007. There is much information about this event on this forum.

In my judgmemt, this case cannot be understood without people having a clear understanding of what happened at that absolutely crucial meeting. It is a key to the whole case.
We also know don't we that Murat called it a cockup and lots of things went wrong on the night - which feels like it is the most likely reason Murat was made into the prime suspect - if he was planned from before the PNJ was called to be a temporary fall guy things would make more sense.
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Post by Eastree27 06.06.20 12:09

crispbee2000 wrote:
Jill Havern wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
Just suppose he relates that immediately after they left he simply wandered up the stairs, through the patio door, took M, and wandered out again
After leaving the bedroom window open for some strange reason.

All in a tight time frame as someone was passing (or indeed in the flat) every few minutes.

The "how" will be amazing.
Wasn't it said the abductor used chloroform?
Where does the ref to chloroform come from?
Was it not hinted at by one of the extended family.
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Post by crispbee2000 06.06.20 12:13

Eastree27 wrote:
crispbee2000 wrote:
Jill Havern wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
Just suppose he relates that immediately after they left he simply wandered up the stairs, through the patio door, took M, and wandered out again
After leaving the bedroom window open for some strange reason.

All in a tight time frame as someone was passing (or indeed in the flat) every few minutes.

The "how" will be amazing.
Wasn't it said the abductor used chloroform?
Where does the ref to chloroform come from?
Was it not hinted at by one of the extended family.
What, one of those that relayed the information about jemmied shutters et al? I don't think that would point us anywhere. Details of CB's modus operandi might help.
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Post by Eastree27 06.06.20 12:25

The extended family are interesting to me - I think most of the key one now know the truth but at the time I think some only knew a partial truth and didn't get updated quick enough to prevent them reporting things that failed to happen or did not get staged well enough to even convince the first officers on the scene.
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Post by Roidininki 06.06.20 12:27

That suggestion was eliminated iirc because when Kate McCann was asked if she smelled anything unusual as she entered the room  she answered no . In her profession she would have been familiar with the smell of chloroform ?
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Wasn't it said the abductor used chloroform?
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Post by Rogue-a-Tory 06.06.20 12:32

Roidininki wrote:That suggestion was eliminated iirc because when Kate McCann was asked if she smelled anything unusual as she entered the room  she answered no . In her profession she would have been familiar with the smell of chloroform ?
Jill Havern wrote:
Wasn't it said the abductor used chloroform?
Kate was adamant in her book that all 3 children had been sedated by the abductor.
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