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Post by sharonl on 17.07.20 22:18

@J0mic0 wrote:Another point Kate made in her book...of the wonderful picture she took of Madeleine clutching the tennis balls...she states she took several yet only ever produces this one...which suggests the other photos may reveal things that throw too much light on an already convoluted timeline.I agree with an earlier comment...why has every photograph taken by other members with cameras and phones shown of the group so clinically free of any images of the mccanns and their children.Why has so few photographs been taken?I always took lots and lots whenever i went anywhere with my own children...and it wouldn't take three weeks to come up with proof.

Its not just photographs that were lacking.

No Madeleines DNA in the apartment
No paintings etc from the creche
No outings as family of five

She just wasn't around after Sunday, was she?

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Post by PeterMac on 18.07.20 10:21

No Group photos from any of the other families.  
No photos of all the children playing happily together in the sunshine (because there wasn't any)
No photos of them all having dinner together
No photos of Sammy Snake
No photos of dinghies, kayaks, wet suits, swimming costumes
No photos of Mini-tennis.  (TBP is not mini-tennis, whatever Mrs M may urge)
No photos of sand castles, 
No photos of ice-cream and chocolate smeared faces
No photos of anything very much

Just the day of arrival on the children's play area, and the Pool photo at lunch time on Sunday.
And that's it.
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Post by J0mic0 on 18.07.20 11:06

Apart for the huge lack of photographic evidence..to support the. Story being told..Lots of timeline story changes, this happens to backfit events when anyone spots a discrepancy.
And layering.Kate often explains things in great detail when you read her book.
The story of buying icescreams...mentions all five , three times.Not because it was the highlight of the day, but to reinforce all members are present and correct.
The crying story, to tell the world Madeleine was still  around wednesday morning, that's the day the cleaner notices a strong smell of bleach, so Kate injects another excuse and tells everyone there was a brown stain on Maddies pyjamas, but why mention the washing wasnt working? (Book)
The bruise on maddies leg which was an attempt to explain the blood found behind the sofa, no bruise no grazes seen on the mini tennis shot.
Kate rambling on about always using her surname Healey on signatures yet not on creche signings.
And where was the very first place Gerry goes when he is sure the 24 hour station is unmanned because they are all out looking...the creche.(Again Kates book)

You dont suppose this is how those signatures with the Mccann surname being used for the first time ended up being injected into the "new" timeline?...tie up enough loose ends...and the story becomes one big knot.
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Post by crusader on 18.07.20 21:28

Hi @J0mic0 please can you give a reference  to which cleaner says there was a strong smell of bleach.
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Post by J0mic0 on 18.07.20 22:36

I think I need to retract that statement...because i can not show where i originally came across this.I do remember reading this somewhere on a forum many years ago.And like with so many other bits off information over time ..gets censored and removed...
If i do find the screenshot somewhere i will upload it.
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Post by sandancer on 18.07.20 23:37

@J0mic0 wrote:I think I need to retract that statement...because i can not show where i originally came across this.I do remember reading this somewhere on a forum many years ago.And like with so many other bits off information over time ..gets censored and removed...
If i do find the screenshot somewhere i will upload it.

I think the suggestion that the apartment was cleaned using bleach has become a forum myth , like the children sharing a toothbrush ! 
Also the story that no DNA from Madeleine was found in the apartment , when in reality a control sample was needed . 

Probably these myths result from people not reading the files / posts etc correctly or misunderstanding what they read leading to it being passed on and becoming a " fact " , bit like Chinese whispers ! In reality soapy water is enough to clean up blood , bleach is not necessary . 

I do think though it was Matt Oldfield who was asked if he noticed any smell in the apartment , his response was no !

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Post by Verdi on 19.07.20 1:42

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At the same time striving to dispel internet myth and mischief with great triumph - well, almost!

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Post by CaKeLoveR on 19.07.20 14:11

If there were 'photos of them all having dinner together, they would show watches on wrists, and cameras and mobile 'phones on the tables, including on the night of the 'abduction'. That's badly written, sorry!
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Post by Silentscope on 19.07.20 18:11

Tony Bennet just showed me some information I was not aware existed.

Aparrently on the holiday the camera time was active but set an hour out due to summer/ winter time. Photos taken with the camera do have time date stamps.

This is information which is hard to find by online research.
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Post by sandancer on 19.07.20 18:37

@Silentscope wrote:Tony Bennet just showed me some information I was not aware existed.

Aparrently on the holiday the camera time was active but set an hour out due to summer/ winter time. Photos taken with the camera do have time date stamps.

This is information which is hard to find by online research.

Actually it's not hard to find , great emphasis was placed on the release of the alleged " Last Photo " on its release three weeks after Madeleine " disappeared " that the time was out by one hour . This coincided with the arrival of Clarence Mitchell ! 

If you haven't already I strongly recommend reading Peter Mac ebook , chapters including The Last Photo .

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Post by Silentscope on 19.07.20 19:18

Yes indeed sandancer, I had read about it being allegedly  photoshopped and other anomalies but no timing info.

Thank you.
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Post by J0mic0 on 19.07.20 20:04

Means absolutely nothing ...the exif for the card can easily be altered...and the only reason why you would need to that woukd explain a three week lapse before realeasing said images...whilst ensuring all the members of the group delete theirs.
Heres a question that never gets answered...
Why do people suggest that Thursday had a few minutes here and there of full sunshine, yet it was cold...so we have the three of them dressed for a warm day...and Gerry wearing sunglasses ...because it was sunny ...all the time....i am working on a theory thst the sun glasses he is seen wearing on a sking holiday in kates book are indeed the same...and that he lied about buying them on the Thursday...why would you need to buy sun glasses if it is mainly cloudy?
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Post by Verdi on 19.07.20 21:47

@Silentscope wrote:Yes indeed sandancer, I had read about it being allegedly  photoshopped and other anomalies but no timing info.

Thank you.

Now what the hell are you talking about?

PeterMac's free e-book makes no mention of the last photograph being photoshopped - indeed to the contrary, he specifically states that the photograph was no photoshopped but the EXIF data was 'created' for a specific purpose ....that being an attempt to prove that Madeleine McCann was alive and well on the afternoon of Thursday 3rd May 2007. A view that many many members here on CMOMM endorse.

The timing element is explained in great detail by PeterMac in his e-book.

Do you actually read anything before spouting?

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Post by Silentscope on 19.07.20 22:32

Oh Verdi, never pass up the chance to take a poke do you?

Where did I say I had read it in PeterMacs ebook?

Not even I can read a whole book in an hour...

Pathetic please stop...
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Post by PeterMac on 20.07.20 22:25

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Post by Silentscope on 04.09.20 22:24

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The above Photo has been added to from the neck up.

The question is - is the bottom from the neck down the Original and was inverted for the Poolside photo?

Or are all segments fake?
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Post by Jill Havern on 04.09.20 22:40

@Silentscope wrote:Oh Verdi, never pass up the chance to take a poke do you?

Where did I say I had read it in PeterMacs ebook?

Not even I can read a whole book in an hour...

Pathetic please stop...
No, YOU stop. Verdi is my appointed moderator who does a fantastic job for this forum, so please refrain from telling him what to do. You've only been here a short time and even I don't speak to him like that.

Do it again, and your membership will be revoked.

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Post by Secondthoughts2 on 06.09.20 18:45

@ Sharoni

Did they not go as a family of 5 to the beach bought ice creams - allegedly?

Something too about the families all going for tea at the beach cafe comes to mind?

@ Petermac

No not many photos appear to have been taken.  Certainly not any it would seem as a group as you say.  But did they do much as a group?

Perhaps the other families did take lots of pictures of their own families, but no reason for them to be released into public domain?

Agree, McCanns seem to have been lacking in holiday snaps department

These families don't seem to have spent too much time with their children - maybe the reason not too many pics?

What was it Kate McCann said, they (adults) were more into each other, spent more time doing adult activities, running, tennis, sailing etc.   Weren't with their kids.  If it had just been her and Gerry and the kids she'd have been paying more attention...

And did they not choose this resort as they could dump children off at kids clubs etc to allow adults time to do what they wanted? (like probably all of the other families there, chose the resort for very same reason)  So not going to get tons pictures of them all together, as they weren't that often together as a family/families, by sound of things.

Not what I'd call a family holiday.  I'd have been taking snaps of my children inside the apartment, and throughout the day, to capture it all, all that we did on holiday, even at meal times, and every other time.
 
And in the evenings at the dinner table with my friends and family.

Was there ever any pictures of meal time at the tapas taken by the adults?

Did their mobile phones at that time have camera I wonder?

@Silentscope

I can see where you are coming from re the picture of Madeleine where you ask if this is two pictures put together.  Wouldn't surprise me.

I think a lot of the pictures online, over the years are not as they should be, tampered with shall we say.  So easy to do these days.   So easy to make a picture tell a very different story from what it was.

I don't find the picture (discussed on another thread  - one which should have been about a thermometer would you believe but Madeleine's pictures became the topic) of Madeleine with the make-up strange at all.   Other than it is a strange picture to use for a missing child campaign - in my opinion.

I doubt Madeleine put the eye shadow on by herself.   No parent would allow a child so young to put mascara or shadow on their eyes for the simple reason they could injure their eyes! A shadow brush or mascara brush in the eye - painful, put an eye out!  A mother if she was happy to allow the shadow would apply it for the child or let the child use their finger.

I did laugh at some saying that the eye shadow was on so perfectly applied that Madeleine couldn't have done it!   Most likely she didn't for above reasons.
Kate probably did!  Still, it is hardly well applied.   It's applied the way you would do for a child having fun!
  
Little girls usually get to do the blusher and the lipstick, not given an instrument that would put an eye out when used by little hands!  
 
I'm sure all you ladies out there will have stuck the mascara wand or eye shadow brush in your eye or had shadow powder fall in your eye, and it all hurts!

Did Kate McCann actually say that Madeleine applied it?  Or, just that Madeleine was playing with her mum's  makeup?


As for the angle of the picture, looks to me as though she's looking up at someone, head back, to show off her make up to them,  the way tiny children do when they want to show you something, or look up to ask you something, head goes back.  Looks perfectly normal and natural to me.

I don't find anything odd either about the photo of Madeleine with the ice cream spoon in her mouth.   What in heavens name is odd about a child eating an ice cream with a spoon?

The picture of her lying at the skirting board - well before I could make any judgement on that I'd need to see it in its entirety, and the context.

I have one, of one of my kids having a temper tantrum lying on floor - one to remind her/give to her children when she complains about their tantrums!

I think too much is being read into innocent pictures!  Little girls like dressing up.  Like playing with makeup.  Like posing!

What I find odd about pictures in the Madeleine case is that they used a picture for press release, when she first disappeared of a much younger Madeleine!

That could not have been helpful (if someone genuinely wanted a child to be found)

When you look at other later pictures of Madeleine, she looks very much  different.  One of these would have been more appropriate for the purpose.

In fact, in a lot of the later pictures of Madeleine online she not only looks more mature than her then almost 4 years, but quite different from picture to picture too, you have to take a double take to see that it is Madeleine.

The picture they first used of her, was striking, memorable, I haven't seen any other picture of her that you could say likewise of.   Not intended in a derogatory way, but she just looks like any little girl.   

But that was no reason to use a picture which really would not be helpful to the public if looking out for her, as it did not resemble the 4 year old Madeleine.

So I have to ask why?   Why did they not have a more recent picture of her available for that first release?
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Post by Silentscope on 06.09.20 20:47

@Secondthoughts2

So I have to ask why?   Why did they not have a more recent picture of her available for that first release?

Answer:
The Tapas 9 withheld - and then selected Photos for release, instead of making everything of possible use available straight away. What they chose to supply was of little use.
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