Re: Photographs Revisited - general

by **Jill Havern** 30.09.18 16:42

Thank you xsherrie, lovely photo. thumbsup

by **sharonl** 30.09.18 17:21

Here we go again

is that Pic Genuine?

Where was it taken?

Madeleine seems to be wearing this top
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Are we back to that tennis court with this?

by sallypelt 30.09.18 17:30

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Another photograph of Madeleine in the same clothes

by Phoebe 30.09.18 18:23

To me, the above photos were obviously taken in a playground (same upper-body clothing) and are part of a series of snaps (below being a fourth) In the one with Gerry, Amelie and Madeleine it appears from their posture to also have been taken on the see-saw, as is the close-up one of Madeleine alone, where she is holding on to the hooped bar.

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by willowthewisp 30.09.18 21:36

Phoebe wrote:To me, the above photos were obviously taken in a playground (same upper-body clothing) and are part of a series of snaps (below being a fourth) In the one with Gerry, Amelie and Madeleine it appears from their posture to also have been taken on the see-saw, as is the close-up one of Madeleine alone, where she is holding on to the hooped bar.

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Just behind the slide Amellie ,Gerry,park near Rothley,Leicestershire,April 2007,its a pity these pictures weren't available on Madeleine's disappearance for comparison?

It's amazing what you can find when you put your mind to something isn't it,Sean could be on the swings!

by Guest 01.10.18 8:19

They sure liked taking pictures of their kids having fun.

by Amy Dean 01.10.18 11:52

I wonder why they took so few in PDL.

by Guest 01.10.18 12:44

Because there was no fun to be had.

Notice a picture of Gerry McCann used to highlight father/daughter bonding - much the same as the poolside photograph from way back in April/May 2007.

Poor Sean must be feeling like a spare part - or was Ms Healy at the same time doing a bit of mother/son bonding.

It's all part of the masquerade.

by **Jill Havern** 01.10.18 13:39

Amy Dean wrote:I wonder why they took so few in PDL.

It's a bit tricky to take photos when you're busy with a bottle of bleach in one hand and a sponge in the other.

by Doug D 01.10.18 19:49

Jill Havern:

'.......sponge.....'

Don't you mean toothbrush?

by **Jill Havern** 01.10.18 19:55

Doug D wrote:Jill Havern:

'.......sponge.....'

Don't you mean toothbrush?

One of those aswell.

But the sponge for cleaning the floor, walls, back of sofa, the bottom of the curtains etc where those pesky mosquitoes crashed in to...

Bit tricky to do all that with a toothbrush.

by NickE 03.10.18 18:25

Amy Dean wrote:I wonder why they took so few in PDL.

Something that bothers me is that there's no photo from the flight, no photo from the terminals, no photo with Madeleine in connection to 5A, not inside or on the patio, no photo from the beach.
It was supposed (officially) to be a family holiday and they brought two digital cameras. scratchhead

by Tony Cadogan 04.10.18 18:13

NickE wrote:
Amy Dean wrote:I wonder why they took so few in PDL.
Something that bothers me is that there's no photo from the flight, no photo from the terminals, no photo with Madeleine in connection to 5A, not inside or on the patio, no photo from the beach.
It was supposed (officially) to be a family holiday and they brought two digital cameras.

Hi, NickE

Would you be so kind as to post the source for your “two digital cameras” info.

Many thanks.

by NickE 04.10.18 21:06

Tony Cadogan wrote:
NickE wrote:
Amy Dean wrote:I wonder why they took so few in PDL.
Something that bothers me is that there's no photo from the flight, no photo from the terminals, no photo with Madeleine in connection to 5A, not inside or on the patio, no photo from the beach.
It was supposed (officially) to be a family holiday and they brought two digital cameras.
Hi, NickE

Would you be so kind as to post the source for your “two digital cameras” info.

Many thanks.

We can see in the EXIF for "the last photo" that this photo was taken with a Canon Powershot and we can see a Olympus C50 on the table in McCann's apartment.
There's also info in the files and Peter Mac published great info on this matter.
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by Tony Cadogan 05.10.18 8:20

NickE wrote:
Tony Cadogan wrote:
NickE wrote:
Amy Dean wrote:I wonder why they took so few in PDL.
Something that bothers me is that there's no photo from the flight, no photo from the terminals, no photo with Madeleine in connection to 5A, not inside or on the patio, no photo from the beach.
It was supposed (officially) to be a family holiday and they brought two digital cameras.
Hi, NickE

Would you be so kind as to post the source for your “two digital cameras” info.

Many thanks.
We can see in the EXIF for "the last photo" that this photo was taken with a Canon Powershot and we can see a Olympus C50 on the table in McCann's apartment.
There's also info in the files and Peter Mac published great info on this matter.
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NickE

Many thanks.

Your reply accounts for only one digital camera, Canon PowerShot A620, not for “two digital cameras”. The camera on the table is unmistakably not an Olympus C50. It could’ve been a Cannon PowerShot A610, but it is almost certainly an A620.

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by Doug D 05.10.18 8:50

From PeterMac's e-book:

So far as can be discovered there is no reference to the Canon PowerShot camera anywhere in the files.
The only camera referred to in the PJ files is an Olympus C-50, examined by Det. Con. Martin, and it is now believed owned by another totally unconnected family.

The only two clues as to the very existence of the Canon are therefore
• the photo of the dining table in the apartment taken by the PJ during the early hours of 4th, where the Canon can clearly be identified by its distinctive shape…….

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by Doug D 05.10.18 9:13

Statement from DC Martin refers to a video camera and a memory card from an Olympus C50 both of which are thought to have belonged to the Foster family.

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by Tony Cadogan 05.10.18 9:38

Doug D wrote:Statement from DC Martin refers to a video camera and a memory card from an Olympus C50 both of which are thought to have belonged to the Foster family.

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Yes. indeed. Thanks, Doug.

by Tony Cadogan 05.10.18 14:53

Doug D wrote:From PeterMac's e-book:

So far as can be discovered there is no reference to the Canon PowerShot camera anywhere in the files.
The only camera referred to in the PJ files is an Olympus C-50, examined by Det. Con. Martin, and it is now believed owned by another totally unconnected family.

The only two clues as to the very existence of the Canon are therefore
• the photo of the dining table in the apartment taken by the PJ during the early hours of 4th, where the Canon can clearly be identified by its distinctive shape…….

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OT. Sorry (Admin, don’t know if what follows has been discussed and the right thread for it)

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“10 Gerry’s brother in law - Philomena’s husband - Tony Rickwood, is a photographer who is highly skilled at altering images. It is inconceivable that he does not also know how to alter the date and time in the EXIF and to erase aspects of it.

11 Tony Rickwood owns several cameras, including a Canon PowerShot A480 - a model previous to the A620.

12 The McCanns lay heavy emphasis on the importance on the “Last Photo”.

13 Through their spokesman Mitchell, they go to great lengths to explain that the EXIF time might be incorrect by exactly an hour. They make no such claims for any other photo. No other photos from the Canon have been put in the public domain. In each story the words “her own camera” are used.

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16 Rickwood is a keen astronomer, and is a member of the British Astronomical Society.

17 There is a strong suspicion that the time and date on the “Last Photo” are, at the very least, unreliable. It is not thought that the image itself has been altered.”

Portugal and UK keep the same time. If the Pool Photo was taken at 1.29pm as claimed (exactly one hour earlier than the EXIF time), then who and why would have set the camera clock such that it would be wrong by +1hour in the summer and +2 in the winter?

“Through their spokesman Mitchell, they go to great lengths to explain that the EXIF time might be incorrect by exactly an hour.”

“might”? As in ‘we don’t know for sure, but if it is, then it’s by exactly an hour’?

by NickE 05.10.18 15:18

It look's like the only photo that was taken with the Canon camera was "the last photo", I'am still very sceptical to this photo but it was officially taken by the McCann's but why was this photo not listed in the files if they only had one(canon) camera?

by Guest 05.10.18 15:49

NickE wrote:It look's like the only photo that was taken with the Canon camera was "the last photo", I'am still very sceptical to this photo but it was officially taken by the McCann's but why was this photo not listed in the files if they only had one(canon) camera?

Because Gerry McCann and Michael Wright carefully selected photgraphs before handing CD's over to the PJ to assist the investigation..

Outros Apensos Vol VIII Page 550 - NUIPC 201/07.0 GALGS

Visualisation and Analysis of Photographs

On this date, I state that the photographs contained on a CD delivered to this police force by Michael Wright, a relation of the McCann couple, relating to the holiday period that the McCann family spent at the Ocean Club in PdL, beginning on the 28th April 2007.

The visualisation and analysis of these images that was carried out reveals that there are several photographs of interest to the investigation, in which it is possible to visualise Madeleine McCann, as well as different adults and children that made up the group of friends who were on holiday together with the McCann couple in PdL, which is why these photographs, joined to the report, were printed.

Portimão, 09 May 2007
Inspector Ricardo Paiva

by Guest 05.10.18 16:10

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I believe you are quite aware of all the detail concerning 'the last photograph'. It was your favoured topic back in December 2016, nearly two years ago - the last time you were here playing your mind games.

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This thread was started to show the image used for promotion of Gerry McCann's very recent Radio 4 interview about his mental health issues. The 'last photograph' has been analysed and discussed to the ninth degree in the past, PeterMac's e-book provides extensive easy to read detail of that analysis.

This is not going to become another 'last photograph' thread.

by Imari 17.12.18 19:26

The Donegal 2007 trip photo which shows Madeleine's face, apparently atop another girl's clothes (and body?) may have been photo-shopped, some say. I do not have the expertise to form an opinion on that, but would say that the clothes certainly match the older looking girl in the Easter egg picture. These pix, said to be from 2007, did not appear in public until 2008, but were at that time available on G Mccann's site. Reflecting on why he might arrange to publish a photoshopped picture that makes it look as if MBM is still alive and has even grown somewhat, I wonder if a good reason might be that Madeleine was not with them on that 2007 trip just a month prior to the disappearance. Once things started getting uncomfortable about Madeleine's naughtiness and not sleeping etc, might they have felt that holiday snaps without her would be likely to be pounced on as evidence that they didn't want her as much as the twins? I don't say that is the case, just that they might have thought so, and decided that they needed to somehow prove she was there.
Having photos from such a recent trip, one might expect that they would have used those for her search posters.

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by worriedmum 28.12.18 22:14

It's quite a time since I looked at this photograph. I'm not sure if it has ever been disclosed as to who it was taken by.

The reason for looking at this picture again is the picture of 'Tannerman' ,or as Mr Redwood revealed, Dr Julian Totman that was released for public consumpption seems to me to resemble the man in the rust-coloured top walking with the blonde woman behind Gerry McCann. Is it Julian Totman? And if it is, why would Jane Tanner fail to recognise him for what he was, a parent going back (in the wrong direction!) with his own child?[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by **PeterMac** 29.12.18 7:26

It is probable that the three photos other than the Pool Photo, were also taken by Kate on the Canon, although we do not have the EXIF data to prove this. Their sharpness, their general layout, depth of field and so on make this likely.
The three photos were clearly copied onto the CD and handed over to the PJ.
They are : –
Playhouse door, Jumping on grass (shown) and a cropped image of Madeleine against a background of a tree.
They were said to have been taken on 2/5/7, but the weather, sharpness of the shadows, cumulus clouds, and clothing indicate clearly that they were all taken shortly after arrival on Saturday 28/4/7 as the Mccanns, and the other guests visible in the photo, did what people always do shortly after arrival – explore.
If the McCanns had one camera, and as they stated Kate took the photos, this is again consistent.

by NickE 06.01.19 12:12

The playground photo was claimed to have been taken at 17:15 on May 2.
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This still is taken from a video clip from "Gettyimages" and the video is taken less than 2 days later, on May 4.
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Where are the "caterpillar tunnels" in the playground photo?
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by **PeterMac** 06.01.19 13:43

Very interesting set of video clips from SKY news. Thank you for the link

All dated 4th April (Friday) and judging by the shadows, where there are any, shot mid morning.
Very few people wearing sunglasses. Some of the Police seem to have tinted prescription specs, but the holiday makers largely do not
No adult wearing a sunhat
Police with shirt sleeves DOWN, and buttoned.
Quite windy ( about force 4 ?) palm tree fronds thrashing about, even at low level, and the woman's clothing - the sweater at 0:47 in clip 440 - is itself being blown around.
Lots of fluffy clouds in the sky, with the sun 'coming and going' as it does in Britain
watch the sequence in 69701658 there the shadows on the grass come an go at :0:36, 41, 45, 46, as the sun goes behind clouds and re-emerges over and over again. It is as quick as that. Sun for a few seconds at a time.
No chance of building up a sweaty brow, and getting hot enough to cool your feet in the pool.

And we know that Friday 4/5/7 was better weather than Thursday 3/5/7. (Even the book and the Tapas group say so, neatly confirming the Met data, and satellite images)

And of course obvious to the entire world by mid morning 4/5/7 that the shutters were NOT Broken / smashed / forced / or jemmied, but that story was being repeated throughout that day, and did not disappear for some time afterwards.

My guess about the 'caterpillar tunnels' is that the Ocean club knew knew that the weather was changing and got more 'stuff' out of storage, (and put out a lot more pool recliners - though I need to check back to see how many were allegedly out on 3/5/7) . There is a yellow thing poking out one the right (our right) of the Jumping on grass photo.

As we have said before, the scientific method is that just ONE piece of contrary evidence is enough to cause a total re-think.
We are still waiting.

by **Tony Bennett** 06.01.19 14:52

worriedmum wrote:It's quite a time since I looked at this photograph. I'm not sure if it has ever been disclosed as to who it was taken by.

The reason for looking at this picture again is the picture of 'Tannerman' ,or as Mr Redwood revealed, Dr Julian Totman that was released for public consumpption seems to me to resemble the man in the rust-coloured top walking with the blonde woman behind Gerry McCann. Is it Julian Totman? And if it is, why would Jane Tanner fail to recognise him for what he was, a parent going back (in the wrong direction!) with his own child?[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

The man in the rust-coloured jumper has been positively identified by many as Mr Jason Boyd, then aged 39, now aged 50.

He was the husband of Vicky Boyd (also in shot), who wove a fabricated, totally untrue story of how she and her family were lounging in the warm sunshine at the Ocean Club on WEDNESDAY 2nd May, the children happily going down the water slide into the Ocean Club pool all afternoon, and Madeleine McCann happily playing football with their 2-year-old son Louis for AN HOUR.

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There is some doubt about whether First Magazine, which published this utterly fake story, ever really existed as a magazine, or whether in fact only ONE issue was ever produced - that being to generate this bogus story in the Sun.

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It seems IMO that Jason and Vicky Boyd were prepared to LIE about this incident OR, to put it another way, for some reason they were prepared to put their names to a bogus story drafted by someone acting for the McCanns who had contact with the media.

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In which case they seem to be one of several people attending Praia da Luz who generously supported the McCanns' story in one way or another.

We have, for example:

PHILIP EDMONDS - claimed he had a photo of Madeleine playing with his three boys
JENI WEINBERGER - came up with a thinly-supported sighting of an alleged abductor
NUNO LOURENCO - allegedly just there for three weeks to visit his dear old Mum in Sagres, but lied about Wojchiech Krokowski nearly abducting his daughter
BRIDGET O'DONNELL - willing to say she saw Madeleine playing with several other blonde girls that week
CAT BAKER - says Madeleine was at 'high tea' between 5pm & 6pm Thursday 3 May
Dr JULIAN TOTMAN'S WIFE - according to the media, she volunteered him as 'Crecheman'
THE TAPAS 7 - all backed the McCanns' story to the hilt.

I am sure there are some others I've missed out.

It is almost as if all of them were involved in something that week that they all needed to cover up.

It would make a good thread, sometime, to list these people, with a summary of how each of them helped the McCanns

by **Jill Havern** 06.01.19 14:57

PeterMac's chapter about the Boyd's fake story: Spot the waterslide
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by Doug D 06.01.19 16:36

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@ 0.21. in the shot across the pool, past the Tapas to the ‘playground’ area, you can see a caterpillar tunnel to the left of the playhouse, but not the one to the right, (which shows in the later shot @ 0.35), so they were either just being put out for the summer, or get moved around very easily, which is probably more likely.

The ‘yellow thing poking out on the right (our right) of the Jumping on grass photo’ is the little two step plastic slide. There is a photo somewhere showing it, but I can’t find it at the moment.

As a secondary matter from the video, it also appears to show the girl in pink @0.25 wearing a wristband on her left arm, but the video is not clear enough to see the other children’s wrists, most of whom are in long sleeves.

Oh for some of the other holidaymakers snaps from that week.