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by ShuBob 18.06.16 19:10
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It's tongue in cheek as the whole episode is diabolical!
But you wouldn't be surprised if the reason Gerry gave for the calls closely matched your scenario, would you
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by MayMuse 18.06.16 19:15
I've refrained for too longaquila wrote:I understand the sarcasm (it's hard to resist sometimes).MayMuse wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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It's tongue in cheek as the whole episode is diabolical!
And it's the weekend And brain is scratched enough with trying to find connections and some sense of it.
The fact is the telephone records show that the number listed belongs to Phillip Wright who apparently owns the villa and rents it out; GM called him twice in early July and then in September.
The "story" of CF inviting them over is "odd" the more I look at it, they received a letter which is quite formal, they did not know who he was initially yet felt comfortable enough to eat, drink and be referred to as a nymphomaniac catholic depressed or words to that effect ? I would have been appalled!!! No mention of Madeleine in this cosy get together, no further explaination of the advice he gave them? What advice could he have offered on the "situation they found themselves in" ? What was he the pyjama police?
Yet Gerry had called the owner of the villa, not once but three times. Why?
Something's fishy
IMO
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by MayMuse 18.06.16 19:18
ShuBob wrote:LolMayMuse wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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It's tongue in cheek as the whole episode is diabolical!
But you wouldn't be surprised if the reason Gerry gave for the calls closely matched your scenario, would you
I don't believe a word that comes out of GM's mouth to be honest! 
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by whodunit 18.06.16 19:19
MayMuse wrote:I've refrained for too longaquila wrote:I understand the sarcasm (it's hard to resist sometimes).MayMuse wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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It's tongue in cheek as the whole episode is diabolical!
And brain is scratched enough with trying to find connections and some sense of it.
The fact is the telephone records show that the number listed belongs to Phillip Wright who apparently owns the villa and rents it out; GM called him twice in early July and then in September.
The "story" of CF inviting them over is "odd" the more I look at it, they received a letter which is quite formal, they did not know who he was initially yet felt comfortable enough to eat, drink and be referred to as a nymphomaniac catholic depressed or words to that effect ? I would have been appalled!!! No mention of Madeleine in this cosy get together, no further explaination of the advice he gave them? What advice could he have offered on the "situation they found themselves in" ? What was he the pyjama police?
Yet Gerry had called the owner of the villa, not once but three times. Why?
Something's fishy
IMO
Well then, the telephone belongs to the villa so he wasn't necessarily trying to reach Wright.
From info in this thread we are given to understand that CF was in residence in July and again in September. Which apparently means he traveled 'round to PDL for a couple of weeks every 2 months. Which if you count backwards....
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by canada12 18.06.16 19:33
I think that the mention of a "letter" is important. It's provides physical proof of an invitation - Exhibit A, shall we say.
What if there was a suspicion that Kate and Gerry's DNA or fingerprints might have been found in CF's villa?
What if they had been there sometime earlier - say before May 3?
What if they really needed to come up with a fast explanation for their DNA and fingerprints to be there, just in case the forensics people decided to pay a visit?
Voila - a written invitation - Exhibit A - inviting them round (quickly - before next Wednesday).
So Gerry and Kate trot round to CF's villa and enjoy some strawberry vodka.
If the forensics people show up any time after that date, of course they will find Kate and Gerry's fingerprints and DNA. But they will have no way of knowing when those findings were deposited.
What if there was a suspicion that Kate and Gerry's DNA or fingerprints might have been found in CF's villa?
What if they had been there sometime earlier - say before May 3?
What if they really needed to come up with a fast explanation for their DNA and fingerprints to be there, just in case the forensics people decided to pay a visit?
Voila - a written invitation - Exhibit A - inviting them round (quickly - before next Wednesday).
So Gerry and Kate trot round to CF's villa and enjoy some strawberry vodka.
If the forensics people show up any time after that date, of course they will find Kate and Gerry's fingerprints and DNA. But they will have no way of knowing when those findings were deposited.
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by Nina 18.06.16 19:43
Wow, how very clever.
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by MayMuse 18.06.16 19:45
Well perhaps we will never know but GM also phoned a property company as well as removals and storage???whodunit wrote:MayMuse wrote:I've refrained for too longaquila wrote:I understand the sarcasm (it's hard to resist sometimes).MayMuse wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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It's tongue in cheek as the whole episode is diabolical!
And brain is scratched enough with trying to find connections and some sense of it.
The fact is the telephone records show that the number listed belongs to Phillip Wright who apparently owns the villa and rents it out; GM called him twice in early July and then in September.
The "story" of CF inviting them over is "odd" the more I look at it, they received a letter which is quite formal, they did not know who he was initially yet felt comfortable enough to eat, drink and be referred to as a nymphomaniac catholic depressed or words to that effect ? I would have been appalled!!! No mention of Madeleine in this cosy get together, no further explaination of the advice he gave them? What advice could he have offered on the "situation they found themselves in" ? What was he the pyjama police?
Yet Gerry had called the owner of the villa, not once but three times. Why?
Something's fishy
IMO
Well then, the telephone belongs to the villa so he wasn't necessarily trying to reach Wright.
From info in this thread we are given to understand that CF was in residence in July and again in September. Which apparently means he traveled 'round to PDL for a couple of weeks every 2 months. Which if you count backwards....
Apparently his son has said he was in the Uk in the May, so I wonder if OG are to investigate if this is the route that's going to be taken, as I cannot see how an eighty year old can be linked to Madeleine being "taken from her bed"???
So let's say it was CF who answered ? Was this call logged prior to the visit? Without looking again I do not recall the date of the "merry meet"
If it was long before the letter ( again date) then there is some explaining to do, if not then there is still some explaining to do
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by NickE 18.06.16 19:52
To clarify Gerry´s phone calls to "Casa Colina".
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by MayMuse 18.06.16 19:54
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] thank youNickE wrote:To clarify Gerry´s phone calls to "Casa Colina".
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by whodunit 18.06.16 19:55
MayMuse wrote:Well perhaps we will never know but GM also phoned a property company as well as removals and storage???whodunit wrote:MayMuse wrote:I've refrained for too longaquila wrote:I understand the sarcasm (it's hard to resist sometimes).MayMuse wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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It's tongue in cheek as the whole episode is diabolical!
And brain is scratched enough with trying to find connections and some sense of it.
The fact is the telephone records show that the number listed belongs to Phillip Wright who apparently owns the villa and rents it out; GM called him twice in early July and then in September.
The "story" of CF inviting them over is "odd" the more I look at it, they received a letter which is quite formal, they did not know who he was initially yet felt comfortable enough to eat, drink and be referred to as a nymphomaniac catholic depressed or words to that effect ? I would have been appalled!!! No mention of Madeleine in this cosy get together, no further explaination of the advice he gave them? What advice could he have offered on the "situation they found themselves in" ? What was he the pyjama police?
Yet Gerry had called the owner of the villa, not once but three times. Why?
Something's fishy
IMO
Well then, the telephone belongs to the villa so he wasn't necessarily trying to reach Wright.
From info in this thread we are given to understand that CF was in residence in July and again in September. Which apparently means he traveled 'round to PDL for a couple of weeks every 2 months. Which if you count backwards....
Apparently his son has said he was in the Uk in the May, so I wonder if OG are to investigate if this is the route that's going to be taken, as I cannot see how an eighty year old can be linked to Madeleine being "taken from her bed"???
So let's say it was CF who answered ? Was this call logged prior to the visit? Without looking again I do not recall the date of the "merry meet"
If it was long before the letter ( again date) then there is some explaining to do, if not then there is still some explaining to do
NOBODY took Madeleine 'from her bed' much less CF. If he had anything to do with it, the poor wee child was brought to him. If they can somehow pin this crime on CF, 'this crime' being murder not abduction, then they will have to contend with the fact that the McCs were responsible for disposing of their child's corpse and of covering for the perpetrator. [read the indictment of the Ramseys for an exact parallel] The next question is: why would the parents do that if someone else was responsible for the killing? The bitter, unimaginable answer to this question suggests itself.
The date of the merry meet was I think July 4 or 5. Another one KM documented in her bewk was in September, the day the McCs were made arguido.
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by whodunit 18.06.16 19:59
canada12 wrote:NickE wrote:To clarify Gerry´s phone calls to "Casa Colina".
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So what I see here is that on the night Madeleine disappeared - May 3 - at 9.19pm - Gerry called Peter Wright at the villa that he rented out to CF? Am I reading this correctly?
No, these dates are in July and September. What was the exact date in September the McCs were made arguido?
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by MayMuse 18.06.16 20:02
That is their "story" not mine.
So Madeleine was taken to him?
And cadaver odour was found in 5a, that's suggesting that she was taken from one property to another?
Pfft!
Where is the invitation letter CF sent to them ?
Where is the mention of this communication in Kate's diary?
I do not believe that CF had anything to do with Madeleine's demise.
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So Madeleine was taken to him?
And cadaver odour was found in 5a, that's suggesting that she was taken from one property to another?
Pfft!
Where is the invitation letter CF sent to them ?
Where is the mention of this communication in Kate's diary?
I do not believe that CF had anything to do with Madeleine's demise.
IMO
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by NickE 18.06.16 20:05
September 8, 2007whodunit wrote:canada12 wrote:NickE wrote:To clarify Gerry´s phone calls to "Casa Colina".
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So what I see here is that on the night Madeleine disappeared - May 3 - at 9.19pm - Gerry called Peter Wright at the villa that he rented out to CF? Am I reading this correctly?
No, these dates are in July and September. What was the exact date in September the McCs were made arguido?
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by MayMuse 18.06.16 20:05
I think it was the 6th/7th September as they made their arguido statement ?
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by whodunit 18.06.16 20:06
MayMuse wrote:That is their "story" not mine.
So Madeleine was taken to him?
And cadaver odour was found in 5a, that's suggesting that she was taken from one property to another?
Pfft!
Where is the invitation letter CF sent to them ?
Where is the mention of this communication in Kate's diary?
I do not believe that CF had anything to do with Madeleine's demise.
IMO
Why pfft?? Was she not moved FROM 5a to 'another property'?
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by MayMuse 18.06.16 20:11
No proof she was moved to a "property"
I just do not believe that CF had anything to do with her demise!
We are supposed to believe that this "meet" was to make up for a "media intrusion" do you not find it odd that it was not (if it happened at all) to offer some comfort/solace for their missing daughter?
Again we are seeing "media" before "Madeleine"!!!!
IMO
I just do not believe that CF had anything to do with her demise!
We are supposed to believe that this "meet" was to make up for a "media intrusion" do you not find it odd that it was not (if it happened at all) to offer some comfort/solace for their missing daughter?
Again we are seeing "media" before "Madeleine"!!!!
IMO
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by Liz Eagles 18.06.16 20:16
You'll have to excuse my beliefs then. I believe that everything to do with Madeleine's demise is shrouded in paedophilia.
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by Tony Bennett 18.06.16 20:21
CORRECTION:NickE wrote:September 8, 2007whodunit wrote:canada12 wrote:NickE wrote:To clarify Gerry´s phone calls to "Casa Colina".
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So what I see here is that on the night Madeleine disappeared - May 3 - at 9.19pm - Gerry called Peter Wright at the villa that he rented out to CF? Am I reading this correctly?
No, these dates are in July and September. What was the exact date in September the McCs were made arguido?
They were made arguidos on Friday 7 September.
According to 'madeleine', by Kate McCann, p. 252 (hardback): "Gerry wasn't back from his interrogation until 1.30am. Like me, he was officially declared an arguido at the start of the proceedings..."
That seems to be 4 or 5 days after the last two 'phone calls
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by whodunit 18.06.16 20:22
aquila wrote:You'll have to excuse my beliefs then. I believe that everything to do with Madeleine's demise is shrouded in paedophilia.MayMuse wrote:No proof she was moved to a "property"whodunit wrote:MayMuse wrote:That is their "story" not mine.
So Madeleine was taken to him?
And cadaver odour was found in 5a, that's suggesting that she was taken from one property to another?
Pfft!
Where is the invitation letter CF sent to them ?
Where is the mention of this communication in Kate's diary?
I do not believe that CF had anything to do with Madeleine's demise.
IMO
Why pfft?? Was she not moved FROM 5a to 'another property'?
I just do not believe that CF had anything to do with her demise!
We are supposed to believe that this "meet" was to make up for a "media intrusion" do you not find it odd that it was not (if it happened at all) to offer some comfort/solace for their missing daughter?
Again we are seeing "media" before "Madeleine"!!!!
IMO
Same.
No other motive strong enough to conceal her corpse.
MayMuse, where do you suggest she was moved to, the moon? Regardless, she was moved FROM 5a TO somewhere else. If this could be done under strict secrecy, then it is also possible that she was moved FROM another property TO 5a.
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by MayMuse 18.06.16 20:34
I don't have to excuse anyone beliefs or opinions as I would not expect anyone to excuse mine.aquila wrote:You'll have to excuse my beliefs then. I believe that everything to do with Madeleine's demise is shrouded in paedophilia.MayMuse wrote:No proof she was moved to a "property"whodunit wrote:MayMuse wrote:That is their "story" not mine.
So Madeleine was taken to him?
And cadaver odour was found in 5a, that's suggesting that she was taken from one property to another?
Pfft!
Where is the invitation letter CF sent to them ?
Where is the mention of this communication in Kate's diary?
I do not believe that CF had anything to do with Madeleine's demise.
IMO
Why pfft?? Was she not moved FROM 5a to 'another property'?
I just do not believe that CF had anything to do with her demise!
We are supposed to believe that this "meet" was to make up for a "media intrusion" do you not find it odd that it was not (if it happened at all) to offer some comfort/solace for their missing daughter?
Again we are seeing "media" before "Madeleine"!!!!
IMO
I did not say that I do not believe paedophillia had anything to do with it, I said that I did not believe he had anything to do with her demise or death or as in he killed her to be blunt and then was moved back to her parents apartment, placed behind the sofa where cadaver odour and blood was found ? And the McCanns were okay with that? No, whatever happened to their daughter they are culpable & should be brought to task IMO
Careful,or OG might have just found their "patsy"?????? In this cloud of pervert(s)ing the course of justice!
And that would not be just for Madeleine.
IMO
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by whodunit 18.06.16 20:40
MayMuse wrote:I don't have to excuse anyone beliefs or opinions as I would not expect anyone to excuse mine.
I did not say that I do not believe paedophillia had anything to do with it, I said that I did not believe he had anything to do with her demise or death or as in he killed her to be blunt and then was moved back to her parents apartment, placed behind the sofa where cadaver odour and blood was found ? And the McCanns were okay with that? No, whatever happened to their daughter they are culpable & should be brought to task IMO
Careful,or OG might have just found their "patsy"?????? In this cloud of pervert(s)ing the course of justice!
And that would not be just for Madeleine.
IMO
I didn't say he did either but it certainly can't be ruled out as a possibility. As Sherlock Holmes would say, "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."
We can't go eliminating things that are possible until we have more information.
And whatever happened the McCanns may not have been 'ok with it' but they sure 1. participated in covering it up by removing her corpse and 2. enjoyed the benefit of the UK establishment protecting SOMEBODY who had something to do with whatever happened. The entire UK establishment didn't jump into action on behalf of their little ol' selves.
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by Tony Bennett 18.06.16 20:49
Like others, who are mostly posting on a new Clement Freud thread, I have some suspicions about the long article all about Vicky Haynes in the Daily Mail today. I'm posting in this thread, though, as I'd much prefer all the Clement Freud-related material to be on the one thread.
The sudden and repeated emphasis in the article on a paedophile ring in Praia da Luz does seem surprising, but at least for those who think Madeleine's reported disappearance is connected to a paedophlile ring, there are some grounds for that belief emerging yet again.
One thing I noted in the article was another connection to Royalty.
Of Vicky Haynes, in the article by Rebecca Hardy. she writes:
"She has, she says, enjoyed a 'privileged life', that has included sprawling homes, horses and cocktail parties with Prince Charles".
I believe Carol Tranmer also had contacts inside or close to the Royal circle.
One other thing I noted was this:
"I wouldn't be at all surprised, when the police investigate Freud and his connections in Praia da Luz, if they find he knew something about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann".
The journalist then asks her: Does she think Freud was part of a ring?
She answers: "Of course, he was a great friend with Rolf Harris, shared an office with Cyril Smith and had a villa right there for 25 years - an area where a number of paedophiles were living and where Madeleine disappeared".
Surely this is of much more than a little interest. She has told us, in terms, that:
1. Freud wasn't a lone retiree just quietly cooking himself meals in his villa and swimming in his pool. He had, the article states: 'Connections in Praia da Luz'. How many connections? Who were they? Were they also paedophiles? What sort of company does a serial paedophile keep, one wonders? People like Rolf Harris and Cyril Smith for starters, it seems.
2. 'A number of paedophiles were living in Praia da Luz'. OK, really? How does she know this? How many is 'a number'? Maybe she also knows the identity of these paedophiles?
3. She said: 'If police investigate Freud and his connections in Praia da Luz, they might find he knew something about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann'. Well, that's a very funny way of putting it, since Freud has been dead for 7 years. But is she saying that there are those alive in Praia da Luz today, possibly paedophiles, who 'know something about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann'? I think she is. So how much does she actually know herself, I wonder?
The sudden and repeated emphasis in the article on a paedophile ring in Praia da Luz does seem surprising, but at least for those who think Madeleine's reported disappearance is connected to a paedophlile ring, there are some grounds for that belief emerging yet again.
One thing I noted in the article was another connection to Royalty.
Of Vicky Haynes, in the article by Rebecca Hardy. she writes:
"She has, she says, enjoyed a 'privileged life', that has included sprawling homes, horses and cocktail parties with Prince Charles".
I believe Carol Tranmer also had contacts inside or close to the Royal circle.
One other thing I noted was this:
"I wouldn't be at all surprised, when the police investigate Freud and his connections in Praia da Luz, if they find he knew something about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann".
The journalist then asks her: Does she think Freud was part of a ring?
She answers: "Of course, he was a great friend with Rolf Harris, shared an office with Cyril Smith and had a villa right there for 25 years - an area where a number of paedophiles were living and where Madeleine disappeared".
Surely this is of much more than a little interest. She has told us, in terms, that:
1. Freud wasn't a lone retiree just quietly cooking himself meals in his villa and swimming in his pool. He had, the article states: 'Connections in Praia da Luz'. How many connections? Who were they? Were they also paedophiles? What sort of company does a serial paedophile keep, one wonders? People like Rolf Harris and Cyril Smith for starters, it seems.
2. 'A number of paedophiles were living in Praia da Luz'. OK, really? How does she know this? How many is 'a number'? Maybe she also knows the identity of these paedophiles?
3. She said: 'If police investigate Freud and his connections in Praia da Luz, they might find he knew something about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann'. Well, that's a very funny way of putting it, since Freud has been dead for 7 years. But is she saying that there are those alive in Praia da Luz today, possibly paedophiles, who 'know something about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann'? I think she is. So how much does she actually know herself, I wonder?
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Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".
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Re: NEWSFLASH - The late Sir Clement Freud, resident of Praia da Luz and friend of the McCanns, exposed as a serial paedophile, Lady Freud apologises, Operation Grange to investigate McCann-Freud links (Daily Telegraph 14 Jun 2016)
by MayMuse 18.06.16 20:52
Would there not be a scent trail towards that way, the tracker dogs initially brought in did not go that far? If I recall it seemed they went in circles and stopped short of the supermarket.whodunit wrote:MayMuse wrote:I don't have to excuse anyone beliefs or opinions as I would not expect anyone to excuse mine.aquila wrote:You'll have to excuse my beliefs then. I believe that everything to do with Madeleine's demise is shrouded in paedophilia.MayMuse wrote:No proof she was moved to a "property"whodunit wrote:MayMuse wrote:That is their "story" not mine.
So Madeleine was taken to him?
And cadaver odour was found in 5a, that's suggesting that she was taken from one property to another?
Pfft!
Where is the invitation letter CF sent to them ?
Where is the mention of this communication in Kate's diary?
I do not believe that CF had anything to do with Madeleine's demise.
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Why pfft?? Was she not moved FROM 5a to 'another property'?
I just do not believe that CF had anything to do with her demise!
We are supposed to believe that this "meet" was to make up for a "media intrusion" do you not find it odd that it was not (if it happened at all) to offer some comfort/solace for their missing daughter?
Again we are seeing "media" before "Madeleine"!!!!
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I did not say that I do not believe paedophillia had anything to do with it, I said that I did not believe he had anything to do with her demise or death or as in he killed her to be blunt and then was moved back to her parents apartment, placed behind the sofa where cadaver odour and blood was found ? And the McCanns were okay with that? No, whatever happened to their daughter they are culpable & should be brought to task IMO
Careful,or OG might have just found their "patsy"?????? In this cloud of pervert(s)ing the course of justice!
And that would not be just for Madeleine.
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I didn't say he did either but it certainly can't be ruled out as a possibility. As Sherlock Holmes would say, "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."
We can't go eliminating things that are possible until we have more information.
Madeleine, I believe died in 5a after which she was moved to her place of "rest", I do not believe she was transported around from property to property.
I do believe at this time that CF had nothing to do with Madeleine's demise, I do believe that this is what "others" want us to think! Just my believable or unbelievable thoughts.
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by whodunit 18.06.16 21:06
1. Who are these 'others'?
2. Generally speaking, when mounting a distraction from the truth 'they' don't use a 'Sir' as the fall guy. Fall guys are the people who are used to distract from the truth about 'Sirs'.
That being said, I doubt CF is THE answer to this whole mystery. He's a crack in the door.
2. Generally speaking, when mounting a distraction from the truth 'they' don't use a 'Sir' as the fall guy. Fall guys are the people who are used to distract from the truth about 'Sirs'.
That being said, I doubt CF is THE answer to this whole mystery. He's a crack in the door.
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by Guest 18.06.16 21:32
@TonyBennett: I believe Carol Tranmer also had contacts inside or close to the Royal circle.
That's where my minds been a wandering - only haven't had the opportunity to wander very far at present.
That's where my minds been a wandering - only haven't had the opportunity to wander very far at present.
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Re: NEWSFLASH - The late Sir Clement Freud, resident of Praia da Luz and friend of the McCanns, exposed as a serial paedophile, Lady Freud apologises, Operation Grange to investigate McCann-Freud links (Daily Telegraph 14 Jun 2016)
by tinkier 18.06.16 21:36
I don't think they rubbed shoulders socially but, RM may have been known as the go to person, the one to contact if anything needed done.Verdi wrote:I can't see any reason at this stage to suppose a connection between Robert Murat and Clement Freud. Freud wasn't a permanent resident at his villa, it was reported that he kept himself to himself - a bit snooty by all accounts. Can't imagine a man like that rubbing shoulders with the likes of Murat, a man with a CV that's made more twists and turns than a sidewinder - if Murat had that level of connection I think he might be a more successful businessman.whodunit wrote:Carrry On Doctor wrote:May have missed something if already posted, but has a connection between Robert Murat and CF been established ? It would seem extremely unlikely they weren't acquainted in some way.
What was CF's movements that week, and if away, was the villa being used for something ? Other houses around PdL were reputed for hosting sex parties.
I would say there is a lot more to this than meets the eye. The timing and intention behind these revelations may also be significant.
Given the apparent wealth of the Eveleighs and Murat's evident closeness with his relatives, it seems inconceivable that he didn't know or interact with Freud on some level.
Now, dodgy jailbird Max Clifford - that's another matter alogether.
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by Guest 18.06.16 21:52
@TonyBennett:
3. She said: 'If police investigate Freud and his connections in Praia da Luz, they might find he knew something about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann'. Well, that's a very funny way of putting it, since Freud has been dead for 7 years. But is she saying that there are those alive in Praia da Luz today, possibly paedophiles, who 'know something about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann'? I think she is. So how much does she actually know herself, I wonder?
Frankly I doubt if she knows anything about active paedophilia in Praia da Luz or any other part of Portugal unless read in the press. Just because she claims to be a victim of abuse years ago in the UK, it doesn't follow that she knows the gory details about paedophile gangs or indeed how Clement Freud lived his life whilst staying at the villa in PdL.
If she did know anything of value she wouldn't be blabbing to the press at this late stage and making a direct association with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Who's next - Sir Kittie, he ain't so far from PdL.
In my opinion this is just another attempt to reinforce the abduction by paedophile gang scenario, as propagated by the McCann machine from the very beginning using a dead man who can't defend himself. I feel closure of Operation Grange fast approaching.
3. She said: 'If police investigate Freud and his connections in Praia da Luz, they might find he knew something about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann'. Well, that's a very funny way of putting it, since Freud has been dead for 7 years. But is she saying that there are those alive in Praia da Luz today, possibly paedophiles, who 'know something about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann'? I think she is. So how much does she actually know herself, I wonder?
Frankly I doubt if she knows anything about active paedophilia in Praia da Luz or any other part of Portugal unless read in the press. Just because she claims to be a victim of abuse years ago in the UK, it doesn't follow that she knows the gory details about paedophile gangs or indeed how Clement Freud lived his life whilst staying at the villa in PdL.
If she did know anything of value she wouldn't be blabbing to the press at this late stage and making a direct association with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Who's next - Sir Kittie, he ain't so far from PdL.
In my opinion this is just another attempt to reinforce the abduction by paedophile gang scenario, as propagated by the McCann machine from the very beginning using a dead man who can't defend himself. I feel closure of Operation Grange fast approaching.
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by MayMuse 18.06.16 21:57
@whodunnit
Others as in those in the know, or covering up or higher up or those who are doing the PR spin as I do think that this is a part of it, peppered with some truths. You know the "others" as in all those who are hiding the truth, sorry if not clear.
From what I've read many think that OG is pointing to a patsy, gosh they've tried hard enough with the bungling burglars etc. Even Redwood altered the timeline. Now we have CF outed as a paedophile with much time spent in PDL not long after the Cliff Richard "clearing"? Of course we know of the many others (UK) some of whom have been convicted and reside in jail.
We have GM saying that there are paedophile gangs in Portugal ( if he knew this then why choose there as your holiday destination with your children) if he didn't already, how did he find out & where/ who from?
So if this latest is to "discover" a vast paedophile ring and connect that to Madeleine leaving her parents out of it, then this is the way.
For sure I do believe in the paedophile connection just not that her parents are innocent of any wrong doing.
Question is, if this is the case then the past five years has been dragged around the bush and back to "protect" whom/what or why?
The dogs findings have been completely overlooked by OG, and that is a huge red flag.
It seems so have the McCanns and the Tapas, anyone with close proximity to Madeleine on that holiday appears not to be under investigation???
The McCanns shout paedophile, think that a bungling burglar is "credible" yet the dogs "findings" and the PJ investigation and GA book is ludicrous and sue the life out him!
They were appalled at GA 's win.
They are "appalled" (again) on learning about CF?
We are yet to see what the Supreme Court says, will they be just as appalled then?
I ve said before this is not to minimise these ladies ordeals. But as one said she told the police a few years back why is this coming out now?
This is a media farce yet again bringing the McCanns to headline news to gain public sympathy.
Who is duping who ?
IMO
Others as in those in the know, or covering up or higher up or those who are doing the PR spin as I do think that this is a part of it, peppered with some truths. You know the "others" as in all those who are hiding the truth, sorry if not clear.
From what I've read many think that OG is pointing to a patsy, gosh they've tried hard enough with the bungling burglars etc. Even Redwood altered the timeline. Now we have CF outed as a paedophile with much time spent in PDL not long after the Cliff Richard "clearing"? Of course we know of the many others (UK) some of whom have been convicted and reside in jail.
We have GM saying that there are paedophile gangs in Portugal ( if he knew this then why choose there as your holiday destination with your children) if he didn't already, how did he find out & where/ who from?
So if this latest is to "discover" a vast paedophile ring and connect that to Madeleine leaving her parents out of it, then this is the way.
For sure I do believe in the paedophile connection just not that her parents are innocent of any wrong doing.
Question is, if this is the case then the past five years has been dragged around the bush and back to "protect" whom/what or why?
The dogs findings have been completely overlooked by OG, and that is a huge red flag.
It seems so have the McCanns and the Tapas, anyone with close proximity to Madeleine on that holiday appears not to be under investigation???
The McCanns shout paedophile, think that a bungling burglar is "credible" yet the dogs "findings" and the PJ investigation and GA book is ludicrous and sue the life out him!
They were appalled at GA 's win.
They are "appalled" (again) on learning about CF?
We are yet to see what the Supreme Court says, will they be just as appalled then?
I ve said before this is not to minimise these ladies ordeals. But as one said she told the police a few years back why is this coming out now?
This is a media farce yet again bringing the McCanns to headline news to gain public sympathy.
Who is duping who ?
IMO
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by ShuBob 18.06.16 22:04
@ MayMuse:
"The dogs findings have been completely overlooked by OG, and that is a huge red flag."
How does anyone know what and what not OG has overlooked?
"The dogs findings have been completely overlooked by OG, and that is a huge red flag."
How does anyone know what and what not OG has overlooked?
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Re: NEWSFLASH - The late Sir Clement Freud, resident of Praia da Luz and friend of the McCanns, exposed as a serial paedophile, Lady Freud apologises, Operation Grange to investigate McCann-Freud links (Daily Telegraph 14 Jun 2016)
by sallypelt 18.06.16 22:09
'PLOUGH AND PAEDO' Clement Freud drank with Madeleine McCann suspect. . . and at perv pub with child sex beast ‘DJ Shifty’
Freud was on 'nodding terms' with former suspect in tot's disappearance as well as being a regular at a pub 'for paedos'
PAEDOPHILE Clement Freud regularly drank at a pub frequented by the former prime suspect in Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.
He and Robert Murat were on “nodding terms” at the Pigs Head, according to the landlord of the boozer in Portugal.
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THE SUN too, of ALL newspapers
Freud was on 'nodding terms' with former suspect in tot's disappearance as well as being a regular at a pub 'for paedos'
PAEDOPHILE Clement Freud regularly drank at a pub frequented by the former prime suspect in Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.
He and Robert Murat were on “nodding terms” at the Pigs Head, according to the landlord of the boozer in Portugal.
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THE SUN too, of ALL newspapers
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