Re: Sonia Poulton on Murdoch's SKY News AGAIN - today (4 April 2015)

by Guest 06.05.15 19:40

I'm wondering what exactly SP is looking for in PDL, apart from the hope that Mr Smithman might make a guest appearance at the end of the road. Off the top off my head, so far the following have visited the location looking for answers.....

Channel 4 dispatches. October 2007 a team of five of the UK's best-qualified investigators to Praia da Luz.
Ex-soldiers Colin Sahlke and Stephen Taylor
Alpha Investigations Group
Metodo 3
Oakley International
Stephen Birch
Danie Krügel
Pat Brown
Operation Grange

Oh and of course Gerry and Kate McCann.

Skulking about interviewing locals and filming the area around apt. 5a doesn't achieve anything, unless she's turning a few unturned stones but ex-DCI Redwood has already done that. Is she about to go where no man or woman has gone before, auditioning for Jane Bond or is she trying hard to trounce someone who has already successfully produced pertinent no frills videos? I doubt it but we shall see - maybe!

by Guest 06.05.15 20:00

Verdi, you omitted from your list our much respected member, PeterMac.

by Guest 06.05.15 21:51

Ladyinred wrote:Verdi, you omitted from your list our much respected member, PeterMac.

Ouch

. I go skulk off into a dark corner and hang my head in shame Sad

by Guest 06.05.15 22:00

I hope my post didn't read as a telling-off, Verdi! empathy

by Guest 06.05.15 22:10

Ladyinred wrote:I hope my post didn't read as a telling-off, Verdi!

Yeah but no but.. sad1

I'm embarrassed I feel ashamed. roses

by Guest 06.05.15 22:15

Go and have a boogie, help you get over it nod

by **PeterMac** 06.05.15 22:23

PB and I visited for the same reason.
To check out the ground, pace out, measure, and time movements
not relying on the MSM to say it was only 60 yards, 80 yards, two minutes ,
when we know, and even then knew knew that the media had a vested interet in lying to us all and were being manipulated by TM and Mitchell. . .
.. . was very valuable.

Exploding some of the myth about the shutters was, I believe, important, which is why it was committed to film, and is there for all to see, and HEAR.
I do not believe anyone had done it before, or has done it since.

Walking the alleged Tannerman route proved how utterly stupid that whole story was, and lead to analysis of the "Window of Opportunity" which then diminished to 1 minute and 20 seconds.
Even DCI Redwood was forced to dismiss Tannerman. whether as real parent, fantasy, Lie, or whatever is incidental
even at that early stage we knew knew that it was nonsense. We confirmed what DCI Amaral had found. Cross checking, and finding that he and his team had been spot on.
The entire McCann circus was built on Tannerman for several years. everyone who had looked at the evidence, walked the stretts, paced it out . . knew knew it was total bol*****

Trecking round to Smithman, again shows how ludicrous that entire story was. It has all been done to death many times in very great detail
and I don;t intend to start yet another thread on it now.
Suffice to say
It was was NOT anyone carrying Madeleine
ANd for that reason is irrelevant - though clearly an interesting side line as to why it has assumed such importance in the McCann's case . .
even though they still proselytise Tannerman on their website and you have to work hard to find either of the Smithman efits

The more you wander round Pdl, the more you realise that the whole thing is just nonsense. It did not happen in the way - or in fact any of the ways - they say it did.
The beach is too soft to jog on, Paraiso is too far away for anything other than a planned 'eviction' of any potential witnesses during the afternoon of 3/5/7
and so on and boringly on.

That is why we went, and I imagine that SP did the same thing for roughly the same reasons.

by Guest 06.05.15 22:28

Ladyinred wrote:Go and have a boogie, help you get over it

Rock on!

by Guest 06.05.15 22:36

PeterMac today @ 11:23 pm

"Exploding some of the myth about the shutters was, I believe, important, which is why it was committed to film, and is there for all to see, and HEAR.
I do not believe anyone had done it before, or has done it since."

May I ask what film? Not sure if I've seen.

by **Tony Bennett** 07.05.15 0:07

PeterMac wrote:Trecking round to Smithman again shows how ludicrous that entire story was. It has all been done to death many times in very great detail
and I don't intend to start yet another thread on it now.
Suffice to say: It was was NOT anyone carrying Madeleine.
And for that reason is irrelevant - though clearly an interesting sideline as to why it has assumed such importance in the McCanns' case

But if a crack Scotland Yard team of detectives, equipped with a budget now running to over £10 million, spends six months planning a programme to be aired to 6.7 million people, together with the state broadcasting service, the BBC - and then puts the Smith sighting as, quote, "the centre of our focus", this fact alone elevates this issue way beyond 'an interesting sideline' into something massively relevant.

PeterMac judges the Smithman story as 'ludicrous' and asserts boldly 'It was NOT anyone carrying Madeleine'.

If he can see that, yet the nation's top detectives not only can't see that but spend £2 million (with the BBC) to try to convince us that 'Smithman' is the abductor they are really after, then we are driven to ask all those awkward 'why' questions...

Why did they make Smithman 'the centre of our focus'?

Why did they hold up the Smith e-fits for 6 months or more while they and the BBC polished a programme for Crimewatch?

Why did they not expliciltly say on Crimewatch that the Smiths drew up the e-fits, instead using the ambiguous phrase 'two of the witnesses'?

Why did they show us 2 e-fits of quite different-looking men?

Why, when the McCanns gave the e-fits to DCI Andy Redwood in the spring of 2011, did it take him until the autumn of 2013 to show us the e-fits?

Why did DCI Redwood interview Martin Smith twice, in 2012 and again in 2013?

And so on.

These questions won't go away.

I've said it before and I'll say it once again, Operation Grange, from the moment it was a twinkle in Rebekah Brooks' eye, to today, the date of the General Election, 2015, has only been about influencing public perception

by **PeterMac** 07.05.15 8:24

Tony Bennett wrote:
These questions won't go away.

They certainly won't
They acquire greater significance as each month passes and no explanation is forthcoming.

by Guest 07.05.15 8:33

Tony Bennett wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it once again, Operation Grange, from the moment it was a twinkle in Rebekah Brooks' eye, to today, the date of the General Election, 2015, has only been about influencing public perception

The question is why is the Murdoch empire so engaged in this?

Two middle class doctors from Leicester?

It's got to be way bigger than that.

What a puzzle this is.

by plebgate 07.05.15 8:36

PeterMac wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
These questions won't go away.
They certainly won't
They acquire greater significance as each month passes and no explanation is forthcoming.

It shouldn't (IMO) be left to the gen. public to be asking these questions. Why aren't the police? (at least as far as we know).

We know that members of the gen. public have passed files to the police with many questions which a lot of the people think should be asked of Mr. & Mrs. and their Tapas friends, but as far as we know this has not happened .

What is the point of programmes like Crime Watch if the gen. public think that any info. they pass to the police wont be acted upon?

by espeland 07.05.15 9:44

What is the point of programmes like Crime Watch if the gen. public think that any info. they pass to the police wont be acted upon?

We can see the shortfalls but the general public are ignorant of so many facts about the case and won't be thinking there's anything wrong.

I've always taken the view that OG is legit, but am now having major doubts. Why do those journalists we've managed to contact appear not to have important details such as the PJ files available? And why did Martin Brunt truthfully report the case in the early days, only to completely change his attitude?

One only has to look at other cases of accidents etc involving British people abroad to see the that the Government's response to this case was way beyond normal. They would do this for two doctors? No way.

But we can be encouraged by the way Richard Hall's videos have been seen by so many, by the excellent response to the GoFundMe appeal and Tony's complaints to official bodies. Taken together, I think it's now far too late for OG to be able to report that they've completely covered the case and cannot identify the abductor.

by Richard IV 07.05.15 11:33

Verdi wrote:PeterMac today @ 11:23 pm

"Exploding some of the myth about the shutters was, I believe, important, which is why it was committed to film, and is there for all to see, and HEAR.
I do not believe anyone had done it before, or has done it since."

May I ask what film? Not sure if I've seen.

Is it this one ? Not sure I`ve seen any other.

by Richard IV 07.05.15 11:44

Quoting PM "Trecking round to Smithman, again shows how ludicrous that entire story was. It has all been done to death many times in very great detail
and I don;t intend to start yet another thread on it now."

Peter, did you do a thread on it when you and Pat returned ? I`ve read Pat`s conclusions but can`t remember your thread. Did you do one specifically on your findings ?

I`d be very interested to read any conclusions you came to, especially in regard to Smithman, even though it`s been done to death (by Tony). I forget stuff so it`s always good to go over things.

by sar 07.05.15 12:36

BlueBag wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it once again, Operation Grange, from the moment it was a twinkle in Rebekah Brooks' eye, to today, the date of the General Election, 2015, has only been about influencing public perception
The question is why is the Murdoch empire so engaged in this?

Two middle class doctors from Leicester?

It's got to be way bigger than that.

What a puzzle this is.

why would anyone press for the reopening of an investigation that had gone nowhere and was going nowhere......unless???? [in my minds eye I can see printing presses whizzing round churning out millions of copies of the same newspaper, (think classic b&w movie!) but just what are those headlines!!??]

by Joss 07.05.15 13:59

This was an interesting read:

That the Madeleine McCann case is so much more than a matter of a missing child and what might have happened to her; that it is clearly part of an, as yet, unfathomable secret involving an innumerable number of powerful, wealthy and influential individuals, some of whom extend to the very fabric of our Society, including the British Government itself.

A secret? More internet lunacy? Conspiracy Theory?

Well, permit me to cite a few more facts in support of this assertion.

Anyone who has ever been unfortunate enough to suffer a tragedy or a serious problem whilst being abroad in a foreign Country is rightly afforded some assistance from their respective Embassy and its Ambassadors.

Kerry Needham, for example, whose son BEN went missing in Kos in 1991, effectively got little more than a cup of tea and some sympathetic words from the British Consulate.

She has been on record as stating that although she was appointed a wonderful Liaison Officer from South Yorkshire Police, she has effectively spent the past twenty years, fighting, ALONE, to keep her son’s disappearance in the public eye.

Ironically, it is only recently, in light of developments in the McCann case, that she has received any worthwhile attention or response at all, to her letters and pleas for assistance.

The Needham family are not unique.

In fact, every other family who has ever had the misfortune and heartbreak of having their child kidnapped abroad, or who has suffered any other kind of tragedy has come to realise the very same thing;- that, ultimately, when struck by disaster outside of one’s own Country, one has only limited resources and assistance.

Every other family.

Except the McCanns.

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by snook 08.05.15 0:26

Mark Willis. I don't often laugh out loud but your comments above have got to be the best I've read for an age. 'Birch's lawnmower' ....I'm still giggling

by snook 08.05.15 0:40

Let's not forget Poulton herself said this was going to be broadcast by MSM. Then she was looking for, I forget the phrase but itches along the lines of the conduit to get said piece broadcast. Then she was in 'discussions'( bidding war Sonj?) Now it's a USA exclusive. And that's before all the delays. How many times has she been 'finishing off' etc? The,woman is as much a fantasist as Hutton. Nothing could top Richard's piece save a live broadcast of the Mc's being hauled out of Rothley with blankets over their heads so whatever Johnny come lately is offering up won't make an iota of difference. Interestingly well to me anyway) was one of her minions shamelessly promoting on a Facebook group today. After hurling a few insults at a questioner, she turned tail and headed for the hills.

by Guest 08.05.15 1:05

snook wrote:Let's not forget Poulton herself said this was going to be broadcast by MSM. Then she was looking for, I forget the phrase but itches along the lines of the conduit to get said piece broadcast. Then she was in 'discussions'( bidding war Sonj?) Now it's a USA exclusive. And that's before all the delays. How many times has she been 'finishing off' etc? The,woman is as much a fantasist as Hutton. Nothing could top Richard's piece save a live broadcast of the Mc's being hauled out of Rothley with blankets over their heads so whatever Johnny come lately is offering up won't make an iota of difference. Interestingly well to me anyway) was one of her minions shamelessly promoting on a Facebook group today. After hurling a few insults at a questioner, she turned tail and headed for the hills.

So what are we waiting for now? To see who's elected PM then a) he/she can be struck off the hit list or b) he/she can be door stepped or c) carrying the banner of sufragetees along with "go girlfriend Hutton" socialist party. Or are we flying in the face of North Africa where no man has gone before, looking for some lawless potential interviewee just waiting for that 5 minute space of fame?

by Joss 08.05.15 11:37

Verdi wrote:
snook wrote:Let's not forget Poulton herself said this was going to be broadcast by MSM. Then she was looking for, I forget the phrase but itches along the lines of the conduit to get said piece broadcast. Then she was in 'discussions'( bidding war Sonj?) Now it's a USA exclusive. And that's before all the delays. How many times has she been 'finishing off' etc? The,woman is as much a fantasist as Hutton. Nothing could top Richard's piece save a live broadcast of the Mc's being hauled out of Rothley with blankets over their heads so whatever Johnny come lately is offering up won't make an iota of difference. Interestingly well to me anyway) was one of her minions shamelessly promoting on a Facebook group today. After hurling a few insults at a questioner, she turned tail and headed for the hills.
So what are we waiting for now? To see who's elected PM then a) he/she can be struck off the hit list or b) he/she can be door stepped or c) carrying the banner of sufragetees along with "go girlfriend Hutton" socialist party. Or are we flying in the face of North Africa where no man has gone before, looking for some lawless potential interviewee just waiting for that 5 minute space of fame?

by Guest 08.05.15 22:10

Richard IV wrote:
Verdi wrote:PeterMac today @ 11:23 pm

"Exploding some of the myth about the shutters was, I believe, important, which is why it was committed to film, and is there for all to see, and HEAR.
I do not believe anyone had done it before, or has done it since."

May I ask what film? Not sure if I've seen.

Is it this one ? Not sure I`ve seen any other.

Sorry not ignoring you, only just seen your post. I haven't a clue, is PM as in PeterMac? I got the impression from PeterMac's post, that he (with or without Pat Brown) has produced some sort of film that I don't recall having seen. If it be so I would like to have a look, don't like to think I've missed anything!

by Guest 13.05.15 19:17

It is now over 3 months since Ms Poulton claimed to have doorstepped Kate McCann, pictured on twitter allegedly outside the Rothley sanctuary with her burly no nonsense cameraman. She has since soap-boxed Clarrie Mitchell who no doubt impolitely told her to sling her hook - I know I would if she tried sticking her furry thing in my face. I'm so anxious to learn the evidence based 'Untold Story of Madeleine McCann' that Operation Grange are finding so difficult to crack. One little teaser she dished out 'no abduction took place at all'? Well that's quite a revelation moment but I think the PJ came to that conclusion somewhere around the night of 3rd/4th May 2007.

What's happening I wonder, does anyone know anything - comrade in arms Rosalinda Cristobell-Hutton perhaps? Yes, I'm just waiting for that hyphen to suddenly appear.

by Lands_end 16.05.15 17:17

Verdi wrote:It is now over 3 months since Ms Poulton claimed to have doorstepped Kate McCann, pictured on twitter allegedly outside the Rothley sanctuary with her burly no nonsense cameraman. She has since soap-boxed Clarrie Mitchell who no doubt impolitely told her to sling her hook - I know I would if she tried sticking her furry thing in my face. I'm so anxious to learn the evidence based 'Untold Story of Madeleine McCann' that Operation Grange are finding so difficult to crack. One little teaser she dished out 'no abduction took place at all'? Well that's quite a revelation moment but I think the PJ came to that conclusion somewhere around the night of 3rd/4th May 2007.

What's happening I wonder, does anyone know anything - comrade in arms Rosalinda Cristobell-Hutton perhaps? Yes, I'm just waiting for that hyphen to suddenly appear.

I know I would if she tried sticking her furry thing in my face.
Go on admit it, thats your biggest nightime fantasy. big grin

by Guest 17.05.15 19:46

Lands_end wrote:
Verdi wrote:It is now over 3 months since Ms Poulton claimed to have doorstepped Kate McCann, pictured on twitter allegedly outside the Rothley sanctuary with her burly no nonsense cameraman. She has since soap-boxed Clarrie Mitchell who no doubt impolitely told her to sling her hook - I know I would if she tried sticking her furry thing in my face. I'm so anxious to learn the evidence based 'Untold Story of Madeleine McCann' that Operation Grange are finding so difficult to crack. One little teaser she dished out 'no abduction took place at all'? Well that's quite a revelation moment but I think the PJ came to that conclusion somewhere around the night of 3rd/4th May 2007.

What's happening I wonder, does anyone know anything - comrade in arms Rosalinda Cristobell-Hutton perhaps? Yes, I'm just waiting for that hyphen to suddenly appear.
I know I would if she tried sticking her furry thing in my face.
Go on admit it, thats your biggest nightime fantasy.

Aaaaarrrrrggggghhhhh!!!

by Guest 17.05.15 20:01

While waiting for the next installment in the Poulton saga, for anyone who expects something dynamic to eventually materialize, the Poulton tête-à-tête with Rosalind Cristobell-Hutton is a hoot, well worth a read. I don't think a video of the entire interview is anywhere on the web but it matters not, what matters is what was said which is more valuable when read.

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Before reading it's worth noting a claim made by H-RH that I picked up from a past TB post. In November 2013 she said....

"As mentioned in another thread, I will be appearing on Sonia Poulton's TPV [The Peoples Voice] on Monday to give an update of the trial in Lisbon and a picture of where we are now. Will let the forum know the time as soon as it is to hand. You may be more interested to hear that Sonia is also liaising with Martin Grimes, so fingers crossed, he will be on too."

A totally false representation of the true interview content and not a whiff of Martin Grimes? I really don't know who to liken the pair of them to - Gert and Daisy?

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by Guest 18.05.15 15:10

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Not long now... HALLELUJAH !!! I'm delighted to hear it. thumbsup

by Doug D 18.05.15 20:19

Suggestion from Candyfloss’ site that the LPN C2 on the camera is ‘camera 2’ for ‘Live Pulse News’, some sort of offshoot from the defunct 'The Peoples Voice', which makes a lot of sense.

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by **Tony Bennett** 18.05.15 23:00

Doug D wrote:Suggestion from Candyfloss’ site that the LPN C2 on the camera is ‘camera 2’ for ‘Live Pulse News’, some sort of offshoot from the defunct 'The Peoples Voice', which makes a lot of sense.

‘Live Pulse News is an independent media platform offering multi-platform news, informational and documentary programming. We are an organisation committed to the philosophy of independent journalism and free speech... [SNPPED] [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I've refrained from commenting any more about Sonia Poulton's documentary, as I had more than made my point about her past record and was quite prepared to accept that she might be capable of bringing something fresh to the mainstream media about Madeleine, despite her previous track record.

I am only posting again because it seems to me that all roads are pointing to Dave Eden as being the cameraman Sonia has employed for her project.

I met Dave Eden last year at a meeting at Hemingford Abbots, in Huntingdonshire, which was opposed to the Climate Change Act. The speaker was the noted opponent of the whole concept of man-made global warming, Rev. Philip Foster, who lives nearby. Dave Eden was filming the meeting. I chatted to him afterwards. One of his main interests was active opposition to police corruption. So we talked a lot about the Lee Balkwell case.

Dave Eden has a track record of speaking out against police corruption - see this 2008 article:

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I think this is Dave Eden in these two photos:

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I think he is also the cameraman in the notorious 'zit squeezing' YouTube video, sorry if I'm wrong.

This YouTube video - actually just an audio recording - "Neil Foster & Dave Eden - Community Press Group, Awake Radio & TV, Live Pulse News - June 30, 2014", link: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] seems to suggest that Live Pulse News has basically broken up now. They had organised a successful one-day conference attended by some 200 people, on the topic of alternative/dissident media coverage, but follow-up had been very disappointing, and practical results had been non-existent.

Therefore I tend to think that Dave Eden - who worked with Sonia Poulton at David Icke's ill-fated 'People's TV' project - is really just a one-man band at the moment, though he used to be involved with something called 'The Community Press Group'. I think this no longer exists.

A video of Dave Eden chatting about these things: 'Dave Eden and Cheryl Smale' can be viewed here:
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David Icke discussed Dave Eden, as well as Sonia Poulton, here: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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All I would like to say, Dave, if you tune in here to have a look-see, and if it is you that's doing Sonia's filming, is: "I hope she treats you better than she treated Drew McFadyen".

I will also stick my neck out and state the following opinions:

1. I do not think Sonia was commissioned by anyone
2. I do not think she has 'sold' her documentary to any mainstream medium in the U.K., and
3. I do not think she has a U.S. outlet for her documentary either.

Sorry Sonia if I'm wrong - and good luck with telling us 'The Untold Story'