Sky news 7pm - Exclusive new report on Madeleine McCann investigation tonight - 1 Sept 2014

Doug D wrote:Whilst we seem to be in question-time mode, does anyone know where the Gamble/CATS file association came from and whether there was any evidence that it was JG who ‘got at’ the file or has it just evolved as a Forum myth?
 
Did Jim Gamble Sanitize Gerry McCann's CATS File 19309?
 
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Doug D wrote:

Full Sky report (link courtesy of Candyfloss on her new site, thank you)

From this it is apparent that it is the PJ that JG is talking about when he mention throwing their toys out.

Very much a promotional piece, with both the authors having a good say and JG going on about 'amber alert' again.

Having watched this, I hold out no hope for the book and as TB has said above, it looks very much like a CM/JG/TM collaboration.

PeterMac wrote:

nglfi wrote:Petermac, are the above comments from the article going round on facebook comparing the parents of Ashya King to the McCanns? I myself commented on that and the last time I looked the article had 46, 000 odd likes! Good news

They must surely be beginning to understand that even with Mitchell's help, they cannot fool all the people all of the time.

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50. The Inquiry understands that you were Chief Constable at the time when Madeleine McCann was abducted in Portugal. The Inquiry is interested to know how relationships with the media, both local and national, worked during this time. Were changes in procedures made as a result of the very large amount of media interest in the story? Was pressure put on your personnel by the media? Are you aware of any personnel leaking information to the media at this time, and if so, was disciplinary action taken? wrote:

The investigation into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance began on 3 May 2007 by the Portuguese Authorities. On 4 May 2007, Leicestershire Constabulary took up a liaison role with the Portuguese Police to assist them in their enquiries. On 8 May 2007 Leicestershire Constabulary was asked to co-ordinate the UK response to assist the Portuguese enquiry on behalf of the UK Government and Association of Chief Police Officers. The Gold Strategy set on this date established that it was a Portuguese-led enquiry and that all actions would comply with requirements of Portuguese law including their Judicial Secrecy Act.

As a result of this strategy, apart from one press  conference, which was requested by the Portuguese authorities, Leicestershire Constabulary made no comment to the media in relation to the investigation and strict information security was applied to ensure that the rights of all parties and the interests of the Portuguese Police were protected. However, Leicestershire Constabulary did respond to media enquiries over our role in the investigation in confirming details that were subject of public record. This included the number of officers in various roles and the financial cost of our involvement.

Due to the unprecedented media interest in the UK, a co-ordination group was set up on behalf of law enforcement agencies and  government departments to coordinate the media interaction and ensure that a consistent stance was taken. This co-ordinating group was chaired by the Head of Corporate Communications from Leicestershire Constabulary. That group has continued to meet as required since 2007.

Throughout the enquiry there was intense local, national and international media interest and speculation over every element of the investigation. Leicestershire Constabulary received 53 FOI requests, one of which was repeated on 15 occasions, many of which came from the media. As a direct result of this and the impact that it was having on the investigation Leicestershire Constabulary developed a Freedom of Information Publication Strategy. This provided clarity about what information would be published, and at what time and to minimise the number of requests made. The fact that we developed this publication strategy became a national news story in itself.

The intense media interest meant that thousands of sightings were generated world-wide many of which were reported to Leicestershire Constabulary - each needing operational time to properly address. The Portuguese authorities informed us that this was directing attention away from their core lines of enquiries.

Due to the vast quantity of local, national and international media that descended on the village of Rothley, Leicestershire, where the McCann family live, a large policing operation had to take place to ensure that villagers were able to go about their daily business. We did have complaints from local residents about the media’s behaviour.

Whenever any event took place in Leicestershire relating to the investigation this again attracted huge interest to the extent that specific policing arrangements had to be made with the local airport, hotels and venues for the meetings to ensure there was no intrusion from the media.

Due to the thirst for information from the media, every individual working in Leicestershire supporting the Portuguese investigation signed a confidentiality agreement. Messages were also disseminated to all staff to make them aware that even private conversations with friends could be reported on in the media.

In the Autumn of 2007 there was extensive conjecture about the investigation which led me to write to all editors on two occasions (copies attached) imploring them not to speculate around the investigation because of the implications it may have for the enquiry. On each occasion I emphasised the importance of focusing in on the search for Madeleine rather than any other issue. As a result of continued
conjecture by one Sunday paper Leicestershire Constabulary filed a complaint with the Press Complaints Commission. The outcome was that the paper in question agreed to make a note on their file.

During the investigation the media quoted, who they claimed to be, unnamed Leicestershire police sources. These comments reported by the media bore little resemblance to the facts. However, Leicestershire Constabulary did conduct an enquiry to establish if any police employee could be identified as leaking information to the media. No such person was identified.

Although I am no longer Chief Constable of Leicestershire Constabulary, I am informed that almost five years on there is still speculation within some news media about Madeleine’s disappearance and that a number of groundless assertions continue to be made about the enquiry and the actions taken by Leicestershire Constabulary, UK Law Enforcement and the Police Judicaria.

Lance De Boils wrote:Sorry to butt in without having read through the thread, but it looks like a relevant place to remind folk about Matt Baggott's statement to the Leveson inquiry. This is what he says re the McCann case:

On 8 May 2007 Leicestershire Constabulary was asked to co-ordinate the UK response to assist the Portuguese enquiry on behalf of the UK Government and Association of Chief Police Officers. The Gold Strategy set on this date established that it was a Portuguese-led enquiry and that all actions would comply with requirements of Portuguese law including their Judicial Secrecy Act.

Due to the unprecedented media interest in the UK, a co-ordination group was set up on behalf of law enforcement agencies and  government departments to coordinate the media interaction and ensure that a consistent stance was taken. This co-ordinating group was chaired by the Head of Corporate Communications from Leicestershire Constabulary. That group has continued to meet as required since 2007.

REST SNIPPED

I've taken that from the pdf document, which I believe can still be found online.

[My bold/underline/red.]

Lance De Boils wrote:Sorry to butt in without having read through the thread, but it looks like a relevant place to remind folk about Matt Baggott's statement to the Leveson inquiry. This is what he says re the McCann case:

50. The Inquiry understands that you were Chief Constable at the time when Madeleine McCann was abducted in Portugal. The Inquiry is interested to know how relationships with the media, both local and national, worked during this time. Were changes in procedures made as a result of the very large amount of media interest in the story? Was pressure put on your personnel by the media? Are you aware of any personnel leaking information to the media at this time, and if so, was disciplinary action taken? wrote:

The investigation into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance began on 3 May 2007 by the Portuguese Authorities. On 4 May 2007, Leicestershire Constabulary took up a liaison role with the Portuguese Police to assist them in their enquiries. On 8 May 2007 Leicestershire Constabulary was asked to co-ordinate the UK response to assist the Portuguese enquiry on behalf of the UK Government and Association of Chief Police Officers. The Gold Strategy set on this date established that it was a Portuguese-led enquiry and that all actions would comply with requirements of Portuguese law including their Judicial Secrecy Act.

As a result of this strategy, apart from one press  conference, which was requested by the Portuguese authorities, Leicestershire Constabulary made no comment to the media in relation to the investigation and strict information security was applied to ensure that the rights of all parties and the interests of the Portuguese Police were protected. However, Leicestershire Constabulary did respond to media enquiries over our role in the investigation in confirming details that were subject of public record. This included the number of officers in various roles and the financial cost of our involvement.

Due to the unprecedented media interest in the UK, a co-ordination group was set up on behalf of law enforcement agencies and  government departments to coordinate the media interaction and ensure that a consistent stance was taken. This co-ordinating group was chaired by the Head of Corporate Communications from Leicestershire Constabulary. That group has continued to meet as required since 2007.

Throughout the enquiry there was intense local, national and international media interest and speculation over every element of the investigation. Leicestershire Constabulary received 53 FOI requests, one of which was repeated on 15 occasions, many of which came from the media. As a direct result of this and the impact that it was having on the investigation Leicestershire Constabulary developed a Freedom of Information Publication Strategy. This provided clarity about what information would be published, and at what time and to minimise the number of requests made. The fact that we developed this publication strategy became a national news story in itself.

The intense media interest meant that thousands of sightings were generated world-wide many of which were reported to Leicestershire Constabulary - each needing operational time to properly address. The Portuguese authorities informed us that this was directing attention away from their core lines of enquiries.

Due to the vast quantity of local, national and international media that descended on the village of Rothley, Leicestershire, where the McCann family live, a large policing operation had to take place to ensure that villagers were able to go about their daily business. We did have complaints from local residents about the media’s behaviour.

Whenever any event took place in Leicestershire relating to the investigation this again attracted huge interest to the extent that specific policing arrangements had to be made with the local airport, hotels and venues for the meetings to ensure there was no intrusion from the media.

Due to the thirst for information from the media, every individual working in Leicestershire supporting the Portuguese investigation signed a confidentiality agreement. Messages were also disseminated to all staff to make them aware that even private conversations with friends could be reported on in the media.

In the Autumn of 2007 there was extensive conjecture about the investigation which led me to write to all editors on two occasions (copies attached) imploring them not to speculate around the investigation because of the implications it may have for the enquiry. On each occasion I emphasised the importance of focusing in on the search for Madeleine rather than any other issue. As a result of continued
conjecture by one Sunday paper Leicestershire Constabulary filed a complaint with the Press Complaints Commission. The outcome was that the paper in question agreed to make a note on their file.

During the investigation the media quoted, who they claimed to be, unnamed Leicestershire police sources. These comments reported by the media bore little resemblance to the facts. However, Leicestershire Constabulary did conduct an enquiry to establish if any police employee could be identified as leaking information to the media. No such person was identified.

Although I am no longer Chief Constable of Leicestershire Constabulary, I am informed that almost five years on there is still speculation within some news media about Madeleine’s disappearance and that a number of groundless assertions continue to be made about the enquiry and the actions taken by Leicestershire Constabulary, UK Law Enforcement and the Police Judicaria.

I've taken that from the pdf document, which I believe can still be found online.

[My bold/underline/red.]

These words have utterly torpedoed Jim Gamble's FALSE claim (blindly recycled by our mainstream media automatons) of all these police officers supposedly running round in circles trying too hard to be helpful and sowing confusion in the ranks of the PJ.

Okeydokey wrote:
Glad you did butt in Lance!

That feeds into what I have always thought about the Gaspar statement - that it went through a multi-agency committee before being forwarded on to the Portugese authorities (after about FOUR months!).

One point I would make - don't take this at face value as a being Police-led.  Whatever the formal set up (e.g. ACPO taking the formal lead), this multi-agency committee will have been controlled by central government. It will have done nothing without their say-so. It might be that material coming to that committee was in fact being forwarded on to a central government committee for vetting...

a co-ordination group was set up on behalf of law enforcement agencies and  government departments

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Come on, Pinky, show the crowd how much you love the McCanns.

'THIS MUCH.'      

Don't worry though, Pinkman. This will soon be coming your way 

..... followed swiftly by 

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Alone amongst friends?

Tony Bennett wrote:Guess what:


Summers & Swan ‏@summersandswan   56mins
#mccann #jim gamble excellent Sky news coverage of secret UK review of case covered in "Looking for Madeleine"

++++++++++++++++++++++++++


(SKY News
(Jim Gamble: "There's this great book coming out by Summers and Swan next week with lots and lots of 'new revelations'!"


(Anthony Summers
(Robbyn Swam:  "How excellent SKYNews are in their news coverage!"  

PeterMac wrote:So what is Gamble's game ?

His first statements, if they had been true, would have, or might have been specifically designed to sabotage the final stages of the McCanns' Damages claim against Dr Amaralm by making it clear that it was BritPol and lack of coordination which scuppered the "search" or the enquiry in its early stage, and that the book played no part in this..
Why would he do this, rather than wait until the McCanns had trousered Dr Amaral's money.

Now we know that his statement was not true it leaves us with two possibilities
1  He knew it was not so, and has lied
2  He is just stupid and ignorant of what was happening

If he has lied he must have realised that his lie would be discovered.  In this case by LdB within minutes, but ultimately someone else would or might have spoken up to defend the honour and reputation of the co-ordinating committee. The Chairman, for example, whose professionalism has now been traduced.

If he is merely ignorant and stupid, then he can join the list of those who speak on behalf of the McCanns without knowing the facts, or who blatantly refuse to look, in case they see something which causes them to think for themselves.

Tony Bennett wrote:

Lance De Boils wrote:Sorry to butt in without having read through the thread, but it looks like a relevant place to remind folk about Matt Baggott's statement to the Leveson inquiry. This is what he says re the McCann case:

On 8 May 2007 Leicestershire Constabulary was asked to co-ordinate the UK response to assist the Portuguese enquiry on behalf of the UK Government and Association of Chief Police Officers. The Gold Strategy set on this date established that it was a Portuguese-led enquiry and that all actions would comply with requirements of Portuguese law including their Judicial Secrecy Act.

Due to the unprecedented media interest in the UK, a co-ordination group was set up on behalf of law enforcement agencies and  government departments to coordinate the media interaction and ensure that a consistent stance was taken. This co-ordinating group was chaired by the Head of Corporate Communications from Leicestershire Constabulary. That group has continued to meet as required since 2007.

REST SNIPPED

I've taken that from the pdf document, which I believe can still be found online.

[My bold/underline/red.]

Thank you very much, Lance de Boils.

These words have utterly torpedoed Jim Gamble's FALSE claim (blindly recycled by our mainstream media automatons) of all these police officers supposedly running round in circles trying too hard to be helpful and sowing confusion in the ranks of the PJ. What utter rubbish!

Quite the contrary, a group from ACPO got together at the highest level, not IMO to help find Madeleine but to frustrate, block and divert the Portuguese investigation.   

I wonder exactly who the 'Head of Corporate Communications' at Leics Police was? Was it Bob Small, the man who played such a big role in Jane Tanner claiming that it was Murat she'd seen carrying a child the evening of 3 May? Or was it his boss perhaps? And what role did Prime Minister Gordon Brown play in all this when he visited Braunstone Police Station, Leicester, two days after the McCanns returned from Portugal?

Lance De Boils wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

Lance De Boils wrote:Sorry to butt in without having read through the thread, but it looks like a relevant place to remind folk about Matt Baggott's statement to the Leveson inquiry. This is what he says re the McCann case:

On 8 May 2007 Leicestershire Constabulary was asked to co-ordinate the UK response to assist the Portuguese enquiry on behalf of the UK Government and Association of Chief Police Officers. The Gold Strategy set on this date established that it was a Portuguese-led enquiry and that all actions would comply with requirements of Portuguese law including their Judicial Secrecy Act.

Due to the unprecedented media interest in the UK, a co-ordination group was set up on behalf of law enforcement agencies and  government departments to coordinate the media interaction and ensure that a consistent stance was taken. This co-ordinating group was chaired by the Head of Corporate Communications from Leicestershire Constabulary. That group has continued to meet as required since 2007.

REST SNIPPED

I've taken that from the pdf document, which I believe can still be found online.

[My bold/underline/red.]

Thank you very much, Lance de Boils.

These words have utterly torpedoed Jim Gamble's FALSE claim (blindly recycled by our mainstream media automatons) of all these police officers supposedly running round in circles trying too hard to be helpful and sowing confusion in the ranks of the PJ. What utter rubbish!

Quite the contrary, a group from ACPO got together at the highest level, not IMO to help find Madeleine but to frustrate, block and divert the Portuguese investigation.   

I wonder exactly who the 'Head of Corporate Communications' at Leics Police was? Was it Bob Small, the man who played such a big role in Jane Tanner claiming that it was Murat she'd seen carrying a child the evening of 3 May? Or was it his boss perhaps? And what role did Prime Minister Gordon Brown play in all this when he visited Braunstone Police Station, Leicester, two days after the McCanns returned from Portugal?

Surely it would not be unreasonable to request, under FOI Act, details of this 'co-ordination group'?
It would be interesting to know, for starters:

1. Who, specifically, asked Leic Constabulary "to co-ordinate the UK response to assist the Portuguese enquiry on behalf of the UK Government and Association of Chief Police Officers."

2. This was requested on 8th May, ie less than 5 days after the 'incident' - very swift. Is there a precedent for this?

3. Exactly who were/are the members of this 'co-ordination group'? How many members were/are there?

4. What exactly was the "Gold Strategy" that was set on 8th May? Is this documented?

5. Which organisations and govt depts were/are represented by this group?

6. How often have this group met since its formation on 8th May 2007 and are its meetings minuted?

HelenMeg wrote:

Lance De Boils wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

Lance De Boils wrote:Sorry to butt in without having read through the thread, but it looks like a relevant place to remind folk about Matt Baggott's statement to the Leveson inquiry. This is what he says re the McCann case:

On 8 May 2007 Leicestershire Constabulary was asked to co-ordinate the UK response to assist the Portuguese enquiry on behalf of the UK Government and Association of Chief Police Officers. The Gold Strategy set on this date established that it was a Portuguese-led enquiry and that all actions would comply with requirements of Portuguese law including their Judicial Secrecy Act.

Due to the unprecedented media interest in the UK, a co-ordination group was set up on behalf of law enforcement agencies and  government departments to coordinate the media interaction and ensure that a consistent stance was taken. This co-ordinating group was chaired by the Head of Corporate Communications from Leicestershire Constabulary. That group has continued to meet as required since 2007.

REST SNIPPED

I've taken that from the pdf document, which I believe can still be found online.

[My bold/underline/red.]

Thank you very much, Lance de Boils.

These words have utterly torpedoed Jim Gamble's FALSE claim (blindly recycled by our mainstream media automatons) of all these police officers supposedly running round in circles trying too hard to be helpful and sowing confusion in the ranks of the PJ. What utter rubbish!

Quite the contrary, a group from ACPO got together at the highest level, not IMO to help find Madeleine but to frustrate, block and divert the Portuguese investigation.   

I wonder exactly who the 'Head of Corporate Communications' at Leics Police was? Was it Bob Small, the man who played such a big role in Jane Tanner claiming that it was Murat she'd seen carrying a child the evening of 3 May? Or was it his boss perhaps? And what role did Prime Minister Gordon Brown play in all this when he visited Braunstone Police Station, Leicester, two days after the McCanns returned from Portugal?

Surely it would not be unreasonable to request, under FOI Act, details of this 'co-ordination group'?
It would be interesting to know, for starters:

1. Who, specifically, asked Leic Constabulary "to co-ordinate the UK response to assist the Portuguese enquiry on behalf of the UK Government and Association of Chief Police Officers."

2. This was requested on 8th May, ie less than 5 days after the 'incident' - very swift. Is there a precedent for this?

3. Exactly who were/are the members of this 'co-ordination group'? How many members were/are there?

4. What exactly was the "Gold Strategy" that was set on 8th May? Is this documented?

5. Which organisations and govt depts were/are represented by this group?

6. How often have this group met since its formation on 8th May 2007 and are its meetings minuted?

Good questions

aquila wrote:

PeterMac wrote:So what is Gamble's game ?

His first statements, if they had been true, would have, or might have been specifically designed to sabotage the final stages of the McCanns' Damages claim against Dr Amaralm by making it clear that it was BritPol and lack of coordination which scuppered the "search" or the enquiry in its early stage, and that the book played no part in this..
Why would he do this, rather than wait until the McCanns had trousered Dr Amaral's money.

Now we know that his statement was not true it leaves us with two possibilities
1  He knew it was not so, and has lied
2  He is just stupid and ignorant of what was happening

If he has lied he must have realised that his lie would be discovered.  In this case by LdB within minutes, but ultimately someone else would or might have spoken up to defend the honour and reputation of the co-ordinating committee. The Chairman, for example, whose professionalism has now been traduced.

If he is merely ignorant and stupid, then he can join the list of those who speak on behalf of the McCanns without knowing the facts, or who blatantly refuse to look, in case they see something which causes them to think for themselves.

PeterMac, as I understand things, with regards to the Lisbon trial there is no more evidence to be produced. It is a summing up process (closing arguments) and is only pertinent to the original writ. It's a closed entity. Whatever Gamble or anyone else says it can't affect the outcome of the trial imo. The judge deals with what is relevant to the writ and Court procedure.

I'm sorry if I have legal terminology incorrect.

HelenMeg wrote:

Lance De Boils wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

Lance De Boils wrote:Sorry to butt in without having read through the thread, but it looks like a relevant place to remind folk about Matt Baggott's statement to the Leveson inquiry. This is what he says re the McCann case:

On 8 May 2007 Leicestershire Constabulary was asked to co-ordinate the UK response to assist the Portuguese enquiry on behalf of the UK Government and Association of Chief Police Officers. The Gold Strategy set on this date established that it was a Portuguese-led enquiry and that all actions would comply with requirements of Portuguese law including their Judicial Secrecy Act.

Due to the unprecedented media interest in the UK, a co-ordination group was set up on behalf of law enforcement agencies and  government departments to coordinate the media interaction and ensure that a consistent stance was taken. This co-ordinating group was chaired by the Head of Corporate Communications from Leicestershire Constabulary. That group has continued to meet as required since 2007.

REST SNIPPED

I've taken that from the pdf document, which I believe can still be found online.

[My bold/underline/red.]

Thank you very much, Lance de Boils.

These words have utterly torpedoed Jim Gamble's FALSE claim (blindly recycled by our mainstream media automatons) of all these police officers supposedly running round in circles trying too hard to be helpful and sowing confusion in the ranks of the PJ. What utter rubbish!

Quite the contrary, a group from ACPO got together at the highest level, not IMO to help find Madeleine but to frustrate, block and divert the Portuguese investigation.   

I wonder exactly who the 'Head of Corporate Communications' at Leics Police was? Was it Bob Small, the man who played such a big role in Jane Tanner claiming that it was Murat she'd seen carrying a child the evening of 3 May? Or was it his boss perhaps? And what role did Prime Minister Gordon Brown play in all this when he visited Braunstone Police Station, Leicester, two days after the McCanns returned from Portugal?

Surely it would not be unreasonable to request, under FOI Act, details of this 'co-ordination group'?
It would be interesting to know, for starters:

1. Who, specifically, asked Leic Constabulary "to co-ordinate the UK response to assist the Portuguese enquiry on behalf of the UK Government and Association of Chief Police Officers."

2. This was requested on 8th May, ie less than 5 days after the 'incident' - very swift. Is there a precedent for this?

3. Exactly who were/are the members of this 'co-ordination group'? How many members were/are there?

4. What exactly was the "Gold Strategy" that was set on 8th May? Is this documented?

5. Which organisations and govt depts were/are represented by this group?

6. How often have this group met since its formation on 8th May 2007 and are its meetings minuted?

Good questions

saratoga wrote:This may be well-known but a reminder of what Leics police Gold Group strategy was regarding Madeleine McCann case.
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Anything in relation to the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will not be released whilst it remains ongoing. Consideration may be given to releasing certain material, ie. that which would not reveal police tactics, when the circumstances surrounding Madeleine’s disappearance are fully known and the person/people involved have been brought to justice and a suitable period for any appeal has elapsed.