Re: "Childless Couple" theory takes lead in Maddie inquiry

by Woofer 12.10.14 18:44

joyce1938 wrote:I have memory ,not certain its to do with this sighting ,but a couple I believe were interviewed over being in a certain place with small girl . it appeared that it was parents of the child wish I had clearer recollection ,it was spoken about before ,not sure where maybe someone else has a memory ? joyce1938

McClusky statements :-
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RI_Mc.htm

The woman could not speak English so it couldn`t have been KM

It was dismissed by the PJ - the couple were Ukrainian.

by **Hobs** 12.10.14 19:01

The childless couple scenario just isn't remotely plausible.

Why abduct a child when there are so many options from IVF in its various types through surrogacy through to adoption and fostering?
All the above are legal and there would be no reason not to hide the child away.

Why would a childless couple abduct or cause to have abducted a nearly 4 year old child who can walk and talk, who would have to be smuggled ourt the country, who could never be shown in public, never go to school, visit a hospital or dentist etc?
Why if anything, not take one of the younger children, less talkative and who could possibly be explained away as an adoption if discovered?

Childless coupless invariably, it is the woman, will abduct a newborn or a preborn in some cases.
They often have a history of infertility or misccariage or still birth
They will go as far as faking a pregnancy in order to facilitate their plan.
Come the day they decide on they will abduct a newborn from a hospital maternity unit or, in worst cases, their victims home, kill the mom and removed the child from their womb.

They will turn up at homeclaiming they have just given birth and revealing the new baby,claiming it as their own.
They will have no scans of their own, no record of pregnancy, no visits to hospital during the birth or soon after, all of which are par for the course in a normal birth when the immdiate family come and visit.

They are soon caught out when a suspicious family member reports the mother and their suspicions, the mother realizes baby's are selfish demanding buggers not all quiet and happy as per the ads.

Desperate wanna be moms will abduct the child they believe they can pass off as their own, it is hard to pass off a nearly 4 yr old as a newborn even with being overdue.

It isn't plausible, it's not remotely believeable, it smacks of desperation when such a scenario is introduced.

Nearly 4yr old missing children are either a victim of their own parents neglect/abuse deliberate or otherwise or a victim of a family member or, more rarely, a sexual predator, in which case they are usually found dead within a matter of hours.

There is no evidence to indicate anyone broke into the apartment and abducted maddie.
There is evidence of a death and subsequent clean up in the apartment.
There is evidence of blood, cadaverine in the apartment and cadaverine and body fluids in the hire car.
There is evidence of cadaverine on certain personal items of kate mccann, a child's t shirt and cuddlecat/

In all such cases, the parents are the prime suspects and need to be cleared before the investigation moves on to the next circle of suspects.
In some cases depending on crime , location alibi, this is instant, in others it may take a few hours or days (especially if there are family issues such as divorce etc)
next in line are those who had access to the missing person such as family members, neighbors, family friends and so on.

The parents have not been cleared and due to their own language and behavior, cannot be cleared.
This is the downside to not co-operating.
if you don't co-operate, you cannot be cleared and questioons arise as to why you won't co-operate and what you are hiding.

by j.rob 12.10.14 20:40

Woofer wrote:
joyce1938 wrote:I have memory ,not certain its to do with this sighting ,but a couple I believe were interviewed over being in a certain place with small girl . it appeared that it was parents of the child wish I had clearer recollection ,it was spoken about before ,not sure where maybe someone else has a memory ? joyce1938
McClusky statements :-
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RI_Mc.htm

The woman could not speak English so it couldn`t have been KM

It was dismissed by the PJ - the couple were Ukrainian.

Oh well!

by Guest 12.10.14 20:52

Although the PJ dismissed the couple as being from the Ukraine, this was in May 2007, it is some months after that after watching news footage of the McCanns culminating in the iconic 'coming down the plane steps' that the McCluskeys became convinced that the couple were the McCanns.

In fact, from the PJfiles, Mr McCluskey said:

Having viewed recent media coverage regarding the investigation, M, McClusky now states that the female he saw and described is Mrs. McCann( the missing child?s mother). He states he is "almost certain" that they are the same person and has agonised for days over what to do and whether to contact Police. He is acutely aware of the possibly implications of his account. When asked why there had been such a time lapse in him making this "identification" he explained it as follows:Mr. McCluskey states the thought had never crossed his mind that a child's parents could be implicated in such a matter. Media coverage over the past week or so has cased him to take a renewed interest in the case. The only thing which prevents Mr. McCluskey from stating he in 100% certain in his "identification" is the fact that he would , in his words, " hate to incriminate and innocent person."

He said this some 4 months after the PJ's elimination. Can we be certain the PJ identified and eliminated the right couple?

by j.rob 16.10.14 17:49

Dee Coy wrote:Although the PJ dismissed the couple as being from the Ukraine, this was in May 2007, it is some months after that after watching news footage of the McCanns culminating in the iconic 'coming down the plane steps' that the McCluskeys became convinced that the couple were the McCanns.

In fact, from the PJfiles, Mr McCluskey said:

Having viewed recent media coverage regarding the investigation, M, McClusky now states that the female he saw and described is Mrs. McCann( the missing child?s mother). He states he is "almost certain" that they are the same person and has agonised for days over what to do and whether to contact Police. He is acutely aware of the possibly implications of his account. When asked why there had been such a time lapse in him making this "identification" he explained it as follows:Mr. McCluskey states the thought had never crossed his mind that a child's parents could be implicated in such a matter. Media coverage over the past week or so has cased him to take a renewed interest in the case. The only thing which prevents Mr. McCluskey from stating he in 100% certain in his "identification" is the fact that he would , in his words, " hate to incriminate and innocent person."

He said this some 4 months after the PJ's elimination. Can we be certain the PJ identified and eliminated the right couple?

Intriguing. But why would he think it was Kate McCann if he heard her speaking Portuguese?

by j.rob 16.10.14 17:59

There are some strange parallels here with the Smith statement. The delay in reporting the sighting. Being very sure that the person seen was one of Madeleine's parents. Thinking that the manner in which the man was carrying the child was reminiscent of the way Gerry carried Sean off the plane.

Odd.

by Guest 16.10.14 18:41

j.rob wrote:There are some strange parallels here with the Smith statement. The delay in reporting the sighting. Being very sure that the person seen was one of Madeleine's parents. Thinking that the manner in which the man was carrying the child was reminiscent of the way Gerry carried Sean off the plane.

Odd.

It is these parallels that scream at me and make me consider if this should not have been so easily dismissed at the time.

I can't explain why the 'Kate' lookalike apparently spoke Portuguese. But what we must consider is, even after witnessing her doing so, it is after the event he became convinced of her being Kate, and the man Gerry. It is noteworthy that Mrs McCluskey does not state she heard the woman speaking Portuguese.

In his second statement Mr McCluskey does not say the only thing stopping him from being 100% certain in identifying the parents is not the fact that the woman spoke Portuguese, but that he would hate to incrimiate an innocent person. He knew the impact such an allegation could have if made against the parents themselves. As did Martin Smith.

Is is possible that, during the dictating and translating of the statements confusion arose and it was actually the Portuguese woman speaking that language? Mrs McCluskey states the Portuguese man could speak English, does this infer that the Portuguese woman didn't?

I don't know and it could be a stinking red herring, but just how likely is it that yet another motionless blonde 3-4 year-old girl was being carried around in that region by a man resembling Gerry McCann carrying Sean? And this time accompanied by a woman who looked exactly like Kate.

We know that the Ukrainian couple's daughter resembled a larger, rounder-faced Maddie. But there is nothing in the files describing the appearance of the parents. If the mother was the 'spit' of Kate and the father the same physique as Gerry, wouldn't that have been worthy of note to confirm the authenticity of elimination of the Ukrainians.

Similarly, would it not have been prudent to show the McCluskeys a photo of the Ukrainian couple and ask 'Could these be the people you saw?'.

We know this didn't happen, because after giving their second statements, the McCluskeys were never contacted again.

What did the Ukrainian couple look like?

by j.rob 16.10.14 22:48

Dee Coy wrote:
j.rob wrote:There are some strange parallels here with the Smith statement. The delay in reporting the sighting. Being very sure that the person seen was one of Madeleine's parents. Thinking that the manner in which the man was carrying the child was reminiscent of the way Gerry carried Sean off the plane.

Odd.

It is these parallels that scream at me and make me consider if this should not have been so easily dismissed at the time.

I can't explain why the 'Kate' lookalike apparently spoke Portuguese. But what we must consider is, even after witnessing her doing so, it is after the event he became convinced of her being Kate, and the man Gerry. It is noteworthy that Mrs McCluskey does not state she heard the woman speaking Portuguese.

In his second statement Mr McCluskey does not say the only thing stopping him from being 100% certain in identifying the parents is not the fact that the woman spoke Portuguese, but that he would hate to incrimiate an innocent person. He knew the impact such an allegation could have if made against the parents themselves. As did Martin Smith.

Is is possible that, during the dictating and translating of the statements confusion arose and it was actually the Portuguese woman speaking that language? Mrs McCluskey states the Portuguese man could speak English, does this infer that the Portuguese woman didn't?

I don't know and it could be a stinking red herring, but just how likely is it that yet another motionless blonde 3-4 year-old girl was being carried around in that region by a man resembling Gerry McCann carrying Sean? And this time accompanied by a woman who looked exactly like Kate.

We know that the Ukrainian couple's daughter resembled a larger, rounder-faced Maddie. But there is nothing in the files describing the appearance of the parents. If the mother was the 'spit' of Kate and the father the same physique as Gerry, wouldn't that have been worthy of note to confirm the authenticity of elimination of the Ukrainians.

Similarly, would it not have been prudent to show the McCluskeys a photo of the Ukrainian couple and ask 'Could these be the people you saw?'.

We know this didn't happen, because after giving their second statements, the McCluskeys were never contacted again.

What did the Ukrainian couple look like?

In his second statement Mr McCluskey does not say the only thing stopping him from being 100% certain in identifying the parents is not the fact that the woman spoke Portuguese,

Yes. How peculiar.

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