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Post by sharonl on 06.05.18 22:56

MADDIE BOGUS LEAD
Why did cops investigating Madeleine McCann’s disappearance waste four years on ‘Tannerman’ lead – despite GP saying it was probably him?

Julian Totman always thought he was the man Jane Tanner saw carrying a child in a pink pyjama top the night Madeleine disappeared

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6th May 2018, 10:25 pm
Updated: 6th May 2018, 10:47 pm
COPS spent four years trying to identify a man seen carrying a child on the night Madeleine McCann disappeared — despite a GP saying it was probably him.
Julian Totman walked near the McCanns’ apartment holding his two-year-old girl after getting her from a creche at the resort in Praia da Luz.


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Cops investigating Madeleine McCann disappearance wasted years investigating 'Tannerman'

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GP Julian Totman always thought he was the man Jane Tanner saw, but cops ignored his information
But Portuguese officers continued to pursue the line of inquiry triggered by Jane Tanner, a friend of Kate and Gerry McCann.
She said she saw a dark-haired man wearing a brown jacket, dark shoes and tan trousers carrying a child in pink and white pyjamas.

As well as matching much of the physical description of “Tannerman”, Dr Totman also wore the same clothes.
He was interviewed by the Guarda Nacional Republicana soon after Maddie, three, vanished in May 2007, but his wife Rachel said: “My husband had told the local police it could be him but we didn’t hear anything for years.


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Jane Tanner was on her way to check on her kids at 9.15pm when she saw the man near Kate and Gerry’s apartment

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Madeleine was discovered to be missing at 10pm when Kate went to check on her
“When the police finally realised the significance it was too late to really help.
“We always thought it was Julian who was seen by Jane Tanner.

"But the national police who investigated didn’t get back to us and we don’t know if our information was ever passed on.”
Ms Tanner was one of the so-called Tapas Seven — the friends and family members dining with the McCanns at the time Maddie disappeared.
She was on her way to check on her kids at 9.15pm when she saw the man near Kate and Gerry’s apartment.
Gerry was nearby with pal Jeremy Wilkins having just looked in on Maddie and her younger twin siblings Sean and Amelie.


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In October 2007 the McCanns released an artist’s sketch of 'Tannerman'
Kate then discovered their eldest child was missing when she went to check again at 10pm.
Ms Tanner later defied police orders to not comment publicly on what she saw.
She said: “I think it’s important that people know what I saw because I believe Madeleine was abducted.’’
And with Portuguese laws prohibiting the release of photofits of suspects, the McCanns put out an artist’s sketch of “Tannerman” in October 2007.
But efforts by the Totmans, who live in the South West, to point out the importance of Julian’s movements fell on deaf ears.
They were never contacted by Leicestershire police, whose officers were responsible at the time for collating all UK inquiries.


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It was not until 2011 that the Totmans’ account was finally taken seriously
The force also failed to follow up on information from Paul and Julia Weinberger, pals of the Totmans, who said they had seen a pock-faced man hanging around the McCanns’ aparment twice that week.
The Portuguese probe was concluded in July 2008 and it was not until 2011 — when then-Home Secretary Theresa May ordered the Met carry out a review — that the Totmans’ account was finally taken seriously.
Det Chief Insp Andy Redwood described it as a “moment of revelation”.
He said: “We are almost certain now this sighting [Tannerman] is not the abductor.”
The Met probe then dramatically shifted focus to a sighting by Irishman Martin Smith at 10pm of a man — dubbed “Smithman” — carrying a child down a hill away from the Ocean Club.
They also appealed for information over a spate of burglaries at the resort in the period leading up to Maddie’s disappearance 11 years ago last week.


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Last week was the 11th anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance
The British police investigation has now been scaled down and is likely to be shelved in October.
But one retired Met Police detective, who visited the resort with The Sun, is convinced Jane Tanner saw the real abductor.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6225547/madeleine-mccann-gp-sighting-waste/

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Post by Phoebe on 07.05.18 1:02

It seems The Sun is identifying Crechedad as Julian Totman a G.P. tennis buddy of Gerry's, so hard up that he still had his own and his daughter's clothing years after the event! Perhaps Mr. Totman could explain how he came to be collecting his daughter from the night creche by walking towards it with her. The map below is from the Textusa site (thank you, saved me redoing it). As is obvious at a glance, when one exits the Tapas, one would turn left to approach the McCann apartment, and the T junction (where Jane spotted "Mr. Totman") is directly above this. Why on earth would he wander such a circuitous route with a barefoot 2 year old, unprotected by a blanket on a cold night - Jane said that she thought whoever it was "wasn't a very good parent"! perhaps he'll enlighten us! Has the embarrassment of the Crechdad myth finally forced Op. Grange to spare Jane's further blushes by having Totman support her story. What a hero - after 11 years! 


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Post by wallad on 07.05.18 3:16

If he was a mate of Gerry's, why did it take them six years for the police to identify him? And why is he going public now, when Crimewatch hid his face, and didn't reveal his identity in 2013?

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Post by Doug D on 07.05.18 8:35

The Totman’s were in G4M which is the block to the left of the Mc’s, so as usual this is clearly nonsense, he’s walking in the wrong direction back to this apartment and this is maybe just an attempt to exonerate Tanner’s ‘sighting’.
 
The BBC map shown in the article puts the night crèche in the wrong place, not that it particularly matters, as he would still be going in the wrong direction and of course there is no mention in the article of Tanner stating he was walking from left to right at the top of the road.
 
 


Things must be getting really desperate if they’re trying to bring back good old spottyman!

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Post by skyrocket on 07.05.18 9:14

I looked at this a while ago and Totman was one of only two fathers staying with MW who had 2 year old daughters (the age/sex of the child stated by Redwood during the 2013 Crimewatch prog). 

Here's the link to the article and the uncropped photo of Dr Totman - my Mac wont let me copy the photo across small enough.



As @Phoebe/@DougD clearly showed, 'crecheman/tannerman' was heading in the wrong direction for him to have been Totman (or anyone else using the night creche).


Jane Tanner's description states that tannerman was 1.7 metres (5' 7") in height. Julian Totman is tall - I estimated him to be around 6'1" (from the plastic chair and the leaflet). If he is 5'7", what height would that make the woman next to him (head and shoulders = about 10")?



Jane Tanner's description stated that tannerman had very dark, thick hair, longer at the back - Totman is seen with short brown hair (slightly longer on the top). Unlikely (IMO) that he had a different style during his Luz hols.


Why would Doctor Julian Totman allow himself to be used in this way now??
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Post by Phoebe on 07.05.18 10:47

Paleface Totman must tan extraordinarily well since Jane described him variously as "swarthy" and "Mediterranean looking" and he had only arrived on April 29th, a mere 4 days before she saw him looking so brown skinned! 

His claims (if he has, indeed, made any) should make him a serious suspect. After all, there he ,is a lone man, without an alibi, carrying a little girl between 9 and 10 p.m. that night right beside the McCann apartment! We have only his word that it was his daughter and his excuse makes no sense. In walking in the direction Jane T described he cannot have been collecting the child from night creche. He also failed to identify himself to the police since the news of Tannerman broke, despite this much publicised sighting misleading the investigation. As a guest he had ample opportunity to, as Kate Mccann claimed, watch the family, and having dined at the tapas on May 1st, he would have seen the T9 running back to the apartments to check their unattended kiddies. 

Let's not waste any more time with purple-clad Bulgarian women,  disgruntled employees or bungling burglars. Here is a man who admits to carrying a little girl away from the direction of his own and the McCanns' apartment. No need to check mobile phone records to place him at the scene (as they did when trying to implicate the Portuguese men). He admits himself that he was there, carrying a little girl off to God knows where!! I would expect to see him added to the list of suspects - there is no reason why he shouldn't be. Maybe Gerry (despite his Achilles tendon injury) trounced him at tennis that day and he took revenge! It's as good a theory as the nonsense Grange has thus far entertained. I hope to see Mr. Totman returning to give the P.J. a full explanation, both of his suspicious antics that night and why he never contacted them to eliminate Tannerman!
 Oh wait- he's a British doctor and associate of the McCanns - that lot are all above suspicion! 
Grange must be spitting feathers that "Crechedad" hasn't worked given that they have resorted to this new twist.

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Post by willowthewisp on 07.05.18 12:34

Hi Phoebe,not only that it then lets DCI Andy Redwood from potential,"Perverting the course of Justice" with GP Totman walking the wrong way crossing the road Left to right away from GP Totmans apartment Tannerman had seen them,near casa Lilianna,remember!
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Post by Verdi on 07.05.18 12:49

Oh joy!  Thank the lord for the rising Sun every day of our lives, where would we be without this enrichment?

God, this all makes me so angry - what a load of old cobblers, team McCann must be laughing their socks off (literally and metaphorically speaking) at the public humiliation they cause.

Take for example..

Why did cops investigating Madeleine McCann’s disappearance waste four years on ‘Tannerman’ lead – despite GP saying it was probably him?

The 'cops' in this instance the PJ, did not waste four years on 'Tannerman' (interesting word for a tabloid to use) lead, they didn't believe Jane Tanner's sighting - that's why they took little notice.

Moving on..

GP Julian Totman always thought he was the man Jane Tanner saw, but cops ignored his information
But Portuguese officers continued to pursue the line of inquiry triggered by Jane Tanner, a friend of Kate and Gerry McCann.


If Tannerman was Totman and Totman was Tannerman and the PJ were wasting four years  searching for Tannerman, where exactly does Totman fit in after all these years - if indeed he is Tannerman then he is Totman, if he is Totman then he is Tannerman.  If you get me drift.

Then..

He was interviewed by the Guarda Nacional Republicana soon after Maddie, three, vanished in May 2007, but his wife Rachel said: “My husband had told the local police it could be him but we didn’t hear anything for years.


How many more witnesses are going to conveniently spring forth months/years after the main event, only to say they told the police but didn't hear anything for years?

Give me strength, do these people think the general public are so stupid as to swallow all this utter nonsense?  I think they're taking the rise and they succeed every time, such is the public lust for anything new.

So here's the rub..

a)  There was never a Tannerman, Jane Tanner and her friends created a ficticious sighting to add credence to the abduction theory.  Just read the official documentation for confirmation.

b)  There was never a Smithman, not in terms of a person of interest to the investigation.  This was created by team McCann to add credence to the abduction theory, at the same time throwing in confusion to mislead the investigation.

c)  There was never a crecheman, DCI Andy Redwood (that was) aided and abetted by sources close to anybody and everybody, created crecheman to get Jane Tanner off the hook.  Enter the new kid on the block, Andy Redwood's infamous revelation moment - Smithman, previously held in abeyance, awaiting the right moment to appear on the scene.



Tannerman or Totman or Crechman or McCannman - take yer pick.  It's ripe for the plucking.

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Post by nglfi on 07.05.18 13:19

I thought Jane Tanner said her man DIDN'T look like a tourist?

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Post by willowthewisp on 07.05.18 14:03

Hi Verdi,you see,they weren't telling porkies after all,as DCI Andy Redwood is now cleared of any wrong doing with Tannerman,Totman,Smithman moments,perverting the course of justice,we just reinvent them that the Police cocked it up after all,simples!

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Post by Verity on 07.05.18 14:18

Totmanman looks like Gerry McCann - enter the new Smithman to get Gerry off the hook?

Totman works at Porton Down - let's hope he doesn't get linked to a recent poisoning too.
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Post by Rogue-a-Tory on 07.05.18 14:33

Totman comes from the Southwest and acquainted with Gerry McCann. The Southwest as in Exeter maybe?
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Post by willowthewisp on 07.05.18 14:57

@Verity wrote:Totmanman looks like Gerry McCann - enter the new Smithman to get Gerry off the hook?

Totman works at Porton Down - let's hope he doesn't get linked to a recent poisoning too.
Hi Verity, I could hazard a guess that due to all that is being uncovered about the"Fake,False News" that these could be assimilated to a"Hoax" event,the only thing is the alerts by the Martin Grime Crime dogs,Eddie,Keela and the Police consistently never make any"Comments" about what they may have determined.  

The only point being,the dogs alerted to what they were trained to find and the only person still unaccounted for to this day is"Thought"to still be alive,when an analysis of Blood matched 75% to Madeleine or 15;19 Markers of which four markers could not be traced,is this the 100% analysis the press alerted the public to,Martin Brunt,video?

It is now apparent that wherever there has been questions raised about evidence,as Clarence Mitchell has stated,there are"Reasonable Explanations",FSS reports verbal comments to Portugal PJ a perfect match,then Three Months later the"Official FSS Report" casts doubts on the DNA/LCI analysed?
Then there are the records that the FSS were giving the Portugal 21 Days to correspond to the destruction of the DNA/LCI obtained from the apartment floor tiles,based on"Health & safety rules regulations.  
So the Police destroy evidence from a potential Crime scene on a still missing person and their lead detective suddenly removed from the case,thought to be at the behest of Gordon Brown,Freeport-Lisbon Treaty signing, Jose Socrates,Blackmailed? 

Operation Grange Final throw of the dice,clutching at straws but officially clearing Tannerman,totman,Smithman sightings,but there is still an Abductor,but they cannot trace them,remember the Comment"they've Taken her"Plural?
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Post by Verdi on 07.05.18 15:44

Madeleine McCann police spent four years trying to ID man seen carrying baby on night toddler disappeared - despite doctor saying it was him

  • Julian Totman was carrying his daughter back from a creche on May 3, 2007
  • He was interviewed by police in Portugal and never heard from them again 
  • But they continued  hunt for 'Tannerman' - named after witness Jane Tanner
  • It was only when the Met took over investigation in 2011 that they found problem 

A GP told police it was him carrying his daughter on the night Madeleine McCann vanished but officers still spent four years trying to identify him, his family revealed today.

Julian Totman was carrying his daughter back from a creche when he was seen by one of the so-called 'Tapas Seven' dining with Kate and Gerry McCann in Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007.

But despite Mr Totman telling police about his movements detectives on the Algarve continued to hunt for the so-called 'Tannerman' - named after the Jane Tanner, the woman who saw him that evening.

Key witness Miss Tanner saw a dark-haired man carrying a child wearing pink floral pyjamas about the time that the four-year-old vanished from her parents' holiday apartment.

But it was only an hour later, when she was told that Madeleine had gone, that Miss Tanner realised it could have been the abductor.

In October 2007 the McCanns put out a sketch of the Tannerman but Mr Totman had already told the Guarda Nacional Republicana in May that it was probably him but they kept looking for the suspect.

It was only in 2011 after Scotland Yard took over the investigation that Det Chief Insp Andy Redwood, who led the probe from Britain, described a 'moment of revelation' when they became 'almost certain this sighting [Tannerman] is not the abductor.'
After this the Met went on the hunt for the so-called 'Smithman' - a man seen carrying a child away from the Ocean Club resort by Irish tourist Martin Smith.

Julian Totman's wife Rachel, who lives with her husband in the West Country, has revealed that police had never contacted them.
She told The Sun: 'My husband had told the local police it could be him but we didn't hear anything for years.


'We always thought it was Julian who was seen by Jane Tanner. But the national police who investigated didn't get back to us and we don't know if our information was ever passed on.' 
        
In March extra cash was granted in the search for Madeleine McCann so the Metropolitan Police can continue their 11-year hunt for the missing girl.
The Home Office last night said it had allocated further funds to Operation Grange, the investigation into her disappearance from an apartment in Portugal in 2007.


'The Government remains committed to the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann,' a spokesman said.

'We have briefed the Metropolitan Police Service that its application for Special Grant funding for Operation Grange will be granted.'
Detectives investigating Maddie's disappearance applied for more cash for the search in February.


Government funding for the investigation has been agreed every six months, with £154,000 being granted from October last year until the end of this month.

More than £11million has been spent so far. The exact figure which has been allocated for the ongoing investigation is not yet known.
Madeleine, who was then aged three, vanished from an apartment in Praia da Luz in May 2007 while her parents were eating tapas with friends at a restaurant nearby. She would now be nearly 15.

Operation Grange, launched in May 2011, has been one of the longest, most high-profile and costly police investigations in history. Officers have sifted and translated 40,000 documents produced by Portuguese police who conducted the initial investigation, and by the eight teams of private detectives who have worked on the case.

Some 600 'persons of interest' have been examined and alleged sightings of Madeleine – in Brazil, India, Morocco and Paraguay, on a German plane and in a New Zealand supermarket – assessed.

The quality of the Portuguese investigation of Madeleine's disappearance was criticised by the British authorities.Scotland Yard began an investigative review into the disappearance in 2011, on the orders of the then prime minister David Cameron. Maddie's parents Kate and Gerry insist the inquiry must continue because there is 'absolutely nothing' to suggest she has been harmed.

It comes after the couple, from Rothley, Leicestershire, pledged to 'never give up' on Madeleine in a message to supporters at Christmas.
They wrote on the Find Madeleine Facebook page: 'We just wanted to pass on our love and thanks to everyone who has continued to support us throughout another year.

'Friendship, solidarity and warm wishes go a long way in giving us the strength to get through and make the very best of it.'
Mrs McCann has previously said that Christmas is always 'tinged with pain and longing', saying: 'Madeleine should be here and we should be celebrating with her.'

She has also said that she would simply like to know if her daughter is alive or dead because the not knowing is the worst part.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5698933/Madeleine-McCann-police-spent-four-years-trying-ID-man-GP-said-him.html

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Post by Verdi on 07.05.18 15:54

Totman comes from the Southwest and acquainted with Gerry McCann.
Whoa !!  There is nothing to suggest Gerry McCann was acquainted with Dr Julian Totman.  He may or may not have been at the Ocean Club tennis courts at the same time as the McCanns but that shouldn't be construed as acquainted or friends with.

I could be wrong but I don't recall any mention of Julian Totman playing tennis with Gerry McCann until this hoax tabloid report.

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Post by Verdi on 07.05.18 15:57

Whatever became of Muratman?  Oh yes, I remember, Jane Tanner changed her mind - again!

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Post by skyrocket on 07.05.18 15:58

Missed the link to the full article/uncropped photo of Dr Totman off my post above - apologies. Here it is for anyone interested.

http://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/14032221.Carers_support_morning_set_up_by_GP_surgery/
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Post by Verdi on 07.05.18 16:02


Paulo Reis - 19th May 2009


It is not certain that Mr Weinberger, of Enigma Diagnostics, is the man who stayed at the Ocean Club in May 2007, but it looks that way. Another link between the Weinbur or Weinbergers and Wiltshire is the fact that they made dinner bookings at the Tapas Bar with Dr Julian Totman who is also from Salisbury in Wiltshire.

Miss Lazzeri reported that JW, on returning from Portugal, in May 2007, informed her local police – based in Wiltshire (and thus a link to Paul M Weinberger in Wiltshire) who advised the Leicestershire police who “failed to follow up her lead".  It was only when she received an emotional phone call from Maddie’s mum Kate nearly two years later (thus in April or May 2009 possibly to get a bit more spice for the Channel 4 program) that a photofit based on her description was put together….

"When Kate asked me to help, I agreed immediately. But the police should have asked 2 years ago. It was only after Kate got in touch that the woman learnt two other witnesses saw an identical man… I can’t believe our three sightings weren’t linked earlier”

The problem is, which “JW” was not told, that the descriptions given to the PJ by the “two other witnesses” were nothing like “Pimple Man” and that their reports had been fully investigated, the suspects identified and eliminated. But failure to act on “JW’s” evidence adds to the Leicestershire Police’s record of tardiness in its delayed handing of the statements of Kate and Arul, photographs of potential suspects: not to mention a recent detailed report on the crèche records. Can any police force be that bad? Or was Leicestershire’s job simply to kill the investigation, possibly on Home Office instructions, whose political intervention – in such cases as Damian Green – are so worrying? And if “JW” attached any importance to her sighting why did she do nothing further about it for 2 years, especially when it might have qualified her for a large reward? And why did Kate McCann leave it until the last moment to call her? The bottom line is that “JW’s” “evidence” justifies very close scrutiny.

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Post by Verdi on 07.05.18 16:06

Bogus leads - the story so far, give or take..


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Post by Jill Havern on 07.05.18 16:39

The plot thickens.  Dr. Totman-man was a friend / acquaintance / tennis partner
Would he not have contacted Team M in the years between ?  Through professional channels.  To help ?


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm





P.J. POLICE FILES: GERRY MCCANN'S STATEMENT 10 MAY 2007
www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk
official inquiry files and documents gerry mccann's statement 10 may 2007

------ That they bathed the children, the deponent having left at 18H00 for a tennis game only for men, at which were: DAN, tennis instructor; JULIAN, with whom he had played tennis several times; and CURTIS, with whom he had also played.
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Post by Phoebe on 07.05.18 16:55

@Verdi wrote:
Totman comes from the Southwest and acquainted with Gerry McCann.
Whoa !!  There is nothing to suggest Gerry McCann was acquainted with Dr Julian Totman.  He may or may not have been at the Ocean Club tennis courts at the same time as the McCanns but that shouldn't be construed as acquainted or friends with.

I could be wrong but I don't recall any mention of Julian Totman playing tennis with Gerry McCann until this hoax tabloid report.
 Gerry McCann certainly was acquainted with Julian Totman, having played tennis with him on several occasions, including the evening of May 3rd. 

From Gerry McCann's statement of May 10th 2007 -

 "That they bathed the children, the deponent having left at 18H00 for a tennis game only for men, at which were: DAN, tennis instructor; JULIAN, with whom he had played tennis several times; and CURTIS, with whom he had also played."

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Post by aquila on 07.05.18 17:05

Was Mr Totman playing tennis with GM on 3rd May when David Payne, allegedly at GM's request, went to check on Kate  and the children?
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Post by aquila on 07.05.18 17:14

As an aside, isn't 'tot' the German word for dead? An unfortunate name for a GP but then again so is Payne.
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Post by Phoebe on 07.05.18 17:19

@aquila wrote:Was Mr Totman playing tennis with GM on 3rd May when David Payne, allegedly at GM's request, went to check on Kate  and the children?
 The answer, according to Gerry on May 10th,  is YES. He claims to have been playing with Totman, Dan Stuk and Curtis when David Payne "appeared" by the tennis courts and Gerry agreed Kate might need help to bath the already-bathed children. Honestly, one could not make this bovine excrement up if one tried. Can we expect that Julian Totman is going to get an earful from team McCann for neglecting to contact them , the police or any of the private investigators they hired for years to look for Tannerman. Gerry's tennis buddy sat on this "information"  while the poor parents and their hirelings wasted time and money. Think of all the trouble and expense Totman could have saved them! He's a very naughty boy! titter 




 Gerry McCann May 10th 2007 -


"After 17H30 they went to the apartment, the deponent having entered by the main door, which he did not lock while he was inside the residence. KATE and the children entered by the rear door, after this had been opened from the inside by the deponent.

------ That they bathed the children, the deponent having left at 18H00 for a tennis game only for men, at which were: DAN, tennis instructor; JULIAN, with whom he had played tennis several times; and CURTIS, with whom he had also played.

------ During the afternoon of that day the rest of the group members, including the children, were at the beach, [they] having returned at 18H30, the time at which he saw DP next to the tennis court. DAVID went to visit KATE and the children and returned close to 19H00, trying to convince the deponent to continue to play tennis, to which [entreaty] he did not accede as he had already been plying for about an hour and had to go back to to his wife. Nevertheless, RUSSELL, DAVID and MATHEW stayed to play.2

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Post by aquila on 07.05.18 17:29

Thank you Phoebe.
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