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Post by Liz Eagles 05.07.14 13:16

Espeland wrote:

"I may add that, if this case isn't resolved it'll open the door to many criminal gangs to copy. SY will be well aware of this."

Do you honestly think SY are even remotely concerned about that?
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Post by espeland 05.07.14 13:23

Do you honestly think SY are even remotely concerned about that?


It's not their primary objective of course, but that would be the likely penalty if they don't succeed

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Post by Liz Eagles 05.07.14 13:30

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Do you honestly think SY are even remotely concerned about that?


It's not their primary objective of course, but that would be the likely penalty if they don't succeed
It's not entirely clear to me what SY's primary objective is.

As for 'the likely penalty if they don't succeed' that's just too far out man.
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Post by Naz_Nomad 05.07.14 14:23

I saw a story (probably The Mirror, maybe The Express, but I can't find a link at the mo) online a few days ago, saying that sniffer dogs are being brought in to sniff these arguido's cars. But if they do get a whiff of corpse, what then? How does the whiff of corpse in the McCann's car fit in there?

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Post by jeanmonroe 05.07.14 14:26

aquila wrote:
espeland wrote:
Do you honestly think SY are even remotely concerned about that?


It's not their primary objective of course, but that would be the likely penalty if they don't succeed
It's not entirely clear to me what SY's primary objective is.

As for 'the likely penalty if they don't succeed' that's just too far out man.

Actually i AGREE with 'espeland' on this.

IF SY/MET do NOT 'solve' this case, what is to stop a criminal 'enterprise' STAGING an exact same 'crime'?

We've already had a 'copycat' haven't we?

Shannon Matthews 'case'

In which Karen Matthews constantly referred, and compared, Shannon's 'disappearance' to Madeleine's 'disappearance'

and a 'lot' of her 'relatives' tried to claim 'rewards on offer' didn't they?

BIG 'rewards' on offer for their 'mates' to claim?

"I found the kid wandering about our village, where's me £2.5million 'reward'?"

IF SY/MET do NOT solve this 'disappearance' then it WILL open the door to replica 'stagings' of 'abductions' of pretty three years old 'children' abroad, imo.

Ad Infinitum for SY/Met.

Possibly 'abducted' Canadian 'Maddie', Australian 'Maddie', South African 'Maddie', Cambodia 'Maddie' etc.,

The MET would have to investigate ALL of the above possible 'claims' wouldn't they?

Otherwise they might stand to be 'accused' of total bias towards 'investigating' ONLY one preferred 'missing' child who only the parents have said 'she (Madeleine) was abducted'

No, i'm afraid, the moment the MET say 'that's it, we give up' then, imo, there will be a huge spike, from UK 'criminal' families abroad, 'claiming' their kid was 'abducted'

They'd make a 'fortune' from media 'coverage' alone.

PAID 'interviews' PAID tv 'appearances' 'donations to 'search FUND' SELLING GQWB's and tat from online 'stores' etc.,

The MET have to 'solve' this case OR the likely 'penalty' they will 'pay' WILL be all of the above, FOREVER.

All, imo, obviously.
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Post by Liz Eagles 05.07.14 14:39

It's my understanding that Scotland Yard were ordered by David Cameron (passing his instructions to Theresa May who had previously refused) to review Madeleine's case - this was after David Cameron was bullied persuaded by Rebekah Brooks to give a week of bad headlines to Theresa May. Please correct me if I have the details wrong.

This case has nothing to do with any other case imo. It's still not clear to me what SY's primary objective is.

The only precedent set is that a Prime Minister can be bullied by the media to instruct (without the authority to do so) the UK police to do his bidding.
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Post by MRNOODLES 05.07.14 14:43

jeanmonroe wrote:
aquila wrote:
espeland wrote:
Do you honestly think SY are even remotely concerned about that?


It's not their primary objective of course, but that would be the likely penalty if they don't succeed
It's not entirely clear to me what SY's primary objective is.

As for 'the likely penalty if they don't succeed' that's just too far out man.

Actually i AGREE with 'espeland' on this.

IF SY/MET do NOT 'solve' this case, what is to stop a criminal 'enterprise' STAGING an exact same 'crime'?

We've already had a 'copycat' haven't we?

Shannon Matthews 'case'

In which Karen Matthews constantly referred, and compared, Shannon's 'disappearance' to Madeleine's 'disappearance'

and a 'lot' of her 'relatives' tried to claim 'rewards on offer' didn't they?

BIG 'rewards' on offer for their 'mates' to claim?

"I found the kid wandering about our village, where's me £2.5million 'reward'?"

IF SY/MET do NOT solve this 'disappearance' then it WILL open the door to replica 'stagings' of 'abductions' of pretty three years old 'children' abroad, imo.

Ad Infinitum for SY/Met.

Possibly 'abducted' Canadian 'Maddie', Australian 'Maddie', South African 'Maddie', Cambodia 'Maddie' etc.,

The MET would have to investigate ALL of the above possible 'claims' wouldn't they?

Otherwise they might stand to be 'accused' of total bias towards 'investigating' ONLY one preferred 'missing' child who only the parents have said 'she (Madeleine) was abducted'

Could'nt somebody attempt to copy it, even if it is solved?

People have set scam funds up all the time.  Especially the terminally ill scam.

IMO it won't make any difference.
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Post by MRNOODLES 05.07.14 14:43

Could'nt somebody attempt to copy it, even if it is solved?

People have set scam funds up all the time.  Especially the terminally ill scam.

IMO it won't make any difference.
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Post by jeanmonroe 05.07.14 14:50

aquila wrote:It's my understanding that Scotland Yard were ordered by David Cameron (passing his instructions to Theresa May who had previously refused) to review Madeleine's case - this was after David Cameron was bullied persuaded by Rebekah Brooks to give a week of bad headlines to Theresa May. Please correct me if I have the details wrong.

This case has nothing to do with any other case imo. It's still not clear to me what SY's primary objective is.

The only precedent set is that a Prime Minister can be bullied by the media to instruct (without the authority to do so) the UK police to do his bidding.
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To use UNLIMITED taxpayers money, whilst kiddies after school 'clubs' are closed, due to Government 'cuts',(we ain't got no money for THEM) to 'solve' the claimed 'abduction' of a SINGLE child in Portugal, 7 years ago.

A 'claim' which ONLY, i repeat ONLY, the TWO parents of  the 'abducted' child have made.
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Post by ChippyM 05.07.14 14:57

Naz_Nomad wrote:I saw a story (probably The Mirror, maybe The Express, but I can't find a link at the mo) online a few days ago, saying that sniffer dogs are being brought in to sniff these arguido's cars.  But if they do get a whiff of corpse, what then?  How does the whiff of corpse in the McCann's car fit in there?  

 I have an awful mental image of a Fawlty Towers - esque scenario where a body is being frantically moved from one car to the next just before the police turn the corner and see the perpetrators in th act!


  Yes they can't ignore one and aknowledge the other....wasn't there a report yesterday that Malinka's mothers car was searched by dogs and nothing was found? If that's correct we still only have one car alerted to by the dogs.
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Post by Justformaddie 05.07.14 14:59

Mr birch has apparently said Murat is being questioned again?

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Post by AndyB 05.07.14 15:02

aquila wrote:It's my understanding that Scotland Yard were ordered by David Cameron (passing his instructions to Theresa May who had previously refused) to review Madeleine's case - this was after David Cameron was bullied persuaded by Rebekah Brooks to give a week of bad headlines to Theresa May. Please correct me if I have the details wrong.
I don't know if you're wrong, I used to think the same thing, but others have almost persuaded me that RB bullying her close friend in that way doesn't quite ring true. Do you know the provenance of the story?

Of course if that wasn't the reason for Cameron's unprecedented actions (for which neither he nor the Home Secretary have authority - the police are supposed to be independent) it begs the question what was the reason that he ordered the review
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Post by espeland 05.07.14 15:06

jeanmonroe wrote wrote:To use UNLIMITED taxpayers money, whilst kiddies after school 'clubs' are closed, due to Government 'cuts',(we ain't got no money for THEM) to 'solve' the claimed 'abduction' of a SINGLE child in Portugal, 7 years ago.

I was amazed when I read about the costs of investigating the phone tapping and Rolf Harris cases - they both make the costs of this case seem small (sorry, I can't remember the exact figures). It's a sad world when so much has to be spent on such matters.

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Post by jeanmonroe 05.07.14 15:07

AndyB wrote:
aquila wrote:It's my understanding that Scotland Yard were ordered by David Cameron (passing his instructions to Theresa May who had previously refused) to review Madeleine's case - this was after David Cameron was bullied persuaded by Rebekah Brooks to give a week of bad headlines to Theresa May. Please correct me if I have the details wrong.
I don't know if you're wrong, I used to think the same thing, but others have almost persuaded me that RB bullying her close friend in that way doesn't quite ring true. Do you know the provenance of the story?

Of course if that wasn't the reason for Cameron's unprecedented actions (for which neither he nor the Home Secretary have authority - the police are supposed to be independent) it begs the question what was the reason that he ordered the review

NOTW 'hacking' about to be 'exposed'?

His 'buddies'  innocent Brookes and Coulson 'in the frame'

Maddie case 'ordered' May 2011

NOTW 'exposed' and 'closed' July 2011

Go figure!
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Post by Liz Eagles 05.07.14 15:10

AndyB wrote:
aquila wrote:It's my understanding that Scotland Yard were ordered by David Cameron (passing his instructions to Theresa May who had previously refused) to review Madeleine's case - this was after David Cameron was bullied persuaded by Rebekah Brooks to give a week of bad headlines to Theresa May. Please correct me if I have the details wrong.
I don't know if you're wrong, I used to think the same thing, but others have almost persuaded me that RB bullying her close friend in that way doesn't quite ring true. Do you know the provenance of the story?

Of course if that wasn't the reason for Cameron's unprecedented actions (for which neither he nor the Home Secretary have authority - the police are supposed to be independent) it begs the question what was the reason that he ordered the review
See the Leveson Inquiry.
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Post by inspirespirit 05.07.14 15:12

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aquila wrote:It's my understanding that Scotland Yard were ordered by David Cameron (passing his instructions to Theresa May who had previously refused) to review Madeleine's case - this was after David Cameron was bullied persuaded by Rebekah Brooks to give a week of bad headlines to Theresa May. Please correct me if I have the details wrong.
I don't know if you're wrong, I used to think the same thing, but others have almost persuaded me that RB bullying her close friend in that way doesn't quite ring true. Do you know the provenance of the story?

Of course if that wasn't the reason for Cameron's unprecedented actions (for which neither he nor the Home Secretary have authority - the police are supposed to be independent) it begs the question what was the reason that he ordered the review

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Bellisa wrote:Any update on wlbts banning ? very very sad to see such a reasoned poster banned and for the sake of the forum I hope there was a genuine mistake.

stargazer can you please send him my regards. completely undeserved.
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Post by Guest 05.07.14 15:57

I have read that lj. My opinion still stands on what I know of wlbts from his posts. But if I see proof that he was a genuine disruptor I will be happy to retract my best wishes.
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Post by Daryl Dixon 05.07.14 16:14

I'm a new poster and not au fait with the internal wranglings of this forum but good posters appear to leave or be banned for no other reason than disagreeing with Tony. Rightly or wrongly, it is my impression that this forum belongs to Tony in all but name.
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Daryl Dixon wrote:I'm a new poster and not au fait with the internal wranglings of this forum but good posters appear to leave or be banned for no other reason than disagreeing with Tony. Rightly or wrongly, it is my impression that this forum belongs to Tony in all but name.

Nobody is banned for disagreeing with Tony, or disagreeing with anyone.  You have the wrong impression of this forum.  Would you like to remind us who you regard as good posters who have left or been banned because they have disagreed with TB?
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Bellisa wrote:I have read that lj. My opinion still stands on what I know of wlbts from his posts. But if I see proof that he was a genuine disruptor I will be happy to retract my best wishes.

You mean you want me to share the private messages with you? Is that the proof you want?

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Post by Guest 05.07.14 16:43

Daryl Dixon wrote:I'm a new poster and not au fait with the internal wranglings of this forum but good posters appear to leave or be banned for no other reason than disagreeing with Tony. Rightly or wrongly, it is my impression that this forum belongs to Tony in all but name.

How wrong you are. This forum exists for Maddie McCann and no one else.
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Cash strapped Maddy suspects 'would have grassed'

THE gang accused of killing Madeleine McCann must be innocent because they would have snitched on each other to pocket the reward.


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INCONCEIVABLE: One of the financially strapped suspects would have talked says Portuguese police [PA]



At least one of the “skint” men would have broken ranks, Portuguese police believe.


One was a heroin addict, the second a 16-year-old beggar and the third a driver who police believe organised thefts from apartments in Praia da Luz where the McCanns stayed.


Police and UK newspapers offered rewards totalling more than £2.5million for information that cracked the case. Yet in the seven years since no-one has come forward to claim the cash.


A Portuguese police source said it was “inconceivable that humble people with limited financial resources could keep quiet” for so long.


UK detectives believe Madeleine was killed during a bungled break-in at the McCanns’ apartment in May 2007 by a gang of thieves who then buried her on wasteground near the scene.


The three suspects denied all knowledge of Madeleine’s fate when quizzed by British detectives this week.






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Post by sofieellis 05.07.14 16:53

lj wrote:
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Woofer wrote:Its surely not true that WLBTS has been banned - he`d done nothing wrong - what`s going on?

Have noticed that in the last few weeks there have been several lurkers who have now suddenly found very strong voices.

And once again, someone has a go at new/ish posters. I don't understand how this is acceptable? How long does someone have to be a member before they are allowed to post their opinions?

Talk about ostracising people!

ETA: I can't understand why WLBTS has been banned either - it seems bizarre to me.
Sadly the trolls, or disrupters, or whatever you want to call them come in as new posters, often in waves. So it is not more than natural that new posters are looked at with a healthy amount of skepticism, especially when there is a wave of new posters patting each other on the back and posting with styles we recognize.

I understand that there is a certain amount of cynicism, but sometimes I think it is more like paranoia. It's really off-putting when any time someone airs a view that's not the popular theories, they are attacked. I've followed this case closely since May 2007 and I simply don't believe in a cover up or whitewash. I acknowledge that I might be wrong and I respect people who do hold those views. I just don't understand why that respect is not reciprocated. 

The fact that there are new posters joining has to be a good thing surely. It's a shame that many are probably deterred from posting because of these attacks. I know it certainly makes me very reluctant to post at times.
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Not at all admin,Just from reading the initial post last night it seemed that other posters were the trolls and wlbts was a surprise to most-mods included.That's why I asked in members lounge,which you helpfully replied to me.

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Post by AndyB 05.07.14 16:58

aquila wrote:
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aquila wrote:It's my understanding that Scotland Yard were ordered by David Cameron (passing his instructions to Theresa May who had previously refused) to review Madeleine's case - this was after David Cameron was bullied persuaded by Rebekah Brooks to give a week of bad headlines to Theresa May. Please correct me if I have the details wrong.
I don't know if you're wrong, I used to think the same thing, but others have almost persuaded me that RB bullying her close friend in that way doesn't quite ring true. Do you know the provenance of the story?

Of course if that wasn't the reason for Cameron's unprecedented actions (for which neither he nor the Home Secretary have authority - the police are supposed to be independent) it begs the question what was the reason that he ordered the review
See the Leveson Inquiry.
Yes I know it came out at the Leveson enquiry but what I don't know is what the source of the claim is. Who gave evidence to the enquiry that said that there was the threat and that the PM caved in to it?
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Post by MarleneP 05.07.14 17:01

[size=31]'More than 10' politicians on list held by police investigating Westminster 'paedophile ring'[/size]
Whistleblower who prompted Operation Fernbridge says up to 40 MPs and peers knew about or took part in child abuse
More than 10 current and former politicians are on a list of alleged child abusers held by police investigating claims of a Westminster paedophile ring.
MPs or peers from all three main political parties are on the list, which includes former ministers and household names........

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Post by View-from-Ireland 05.07.14 17:22

NickE wrote:Cash strapped Maddy suspects 'would have grassed'

THE gang accused of killing Madeleine McCann must be innocent because they would have snitched on each other to pocket the reward.


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INCONCEIVABLE: One of the financially strapped suspects would have talked says Portuguese police [PA]



At least one of the “skint” men would have broken ranks, Portuguese police believe.


One was a heroin addict, the second a 16-year-old beggar and the third a driver who police believe organised thefts from apartments in Praia da Luz where the McCanns stayed.


Police and UK newspapers offered rewards totalling more than £2.5million for information that cracked the case. Yet in the seven years since no-one has come forward to claim the cash.


A Portuguese police source said it was “inconceivable that humble people with limited financial resources could keep quiet” for so long.


UK detectives believe Madeleine was killed during a bungled break-in at the McCanns’ apartment in May 2007 by a gang of thieves who then buried her on wasteground near the scene.


The three suspects denied all knowledge of Madeleine’s fate when quizzed by British detectives this week.






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Surprised there hasn't been more analysis of this piece, I find it quite interesting. Has this guy written about the case before?

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Yes, he's usually filling his articles with plenty of pink spin view from Ireland.
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Post by jeanmonroe 05.07.14 17:27

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'More than 10' politicians on list held by police investigating Westminster 'paedophile ring'

Whistleblower who prompted Operation Fernbridge says up to 40 MPs and peers knew about or took part in child abuse

Separately Theresa May, the Home Secretary, said yesterday she would “examine the case” for a public inquiry into historical child abuse in public life, for which 139 MPs have now called.
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651 'honourable' MP's in Parliament.

ONLY 139 of those 'honourable' MP's have signed petition for public inquiry into 'child abuse in public life'

That MEANS that 512 (FIVE HUNDRED and TWELVE)  'honourable' MP's have NOT signed a petition for a public inquiry into 'child abuse in public life'

Ask yourselves, WHY have 512 'honourable' MP's NOT signed the petition?

(rhetorical)
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