Breaking News on Sky News - SY back in PDL suspects to be interviewed

cath2756 wrote:

Markus 2 wrote:

cath2756 wrote:

Markus 2 wrote:cath2756  I think the shop is the Baptista Supermarket. When Eddie and Keela were brought in they lost the scent at the Baptista so it would make sense for the new dogs to retrace that route to see if they react in the same way

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], Head of Maintenance, Ocean Club, p. 540  Is  he related

Was it definitely Eddie and Keela, Markus? There are differing reports online between it being the cadaver dogs and tracker dogs. Either way I think it is Baptista and if it is it is very interesting that they are retracing old ground which indicates they trust the original findings and the original investigation

Really have no idea about the dogs but like you say  original investigation  maybe, what I would like to know is why the Baptista Supermarket ,what connections .

Me too, Markus!! Not sure if it is a common name in Portugal or if there is a connection but we are in very interesting times

Markus 2 wrote:Portuguese TV station SIC, which broke the news of the shop search, said: 'Other work is still to be confirmed, including searches in a commercial premises in Praia da Luz where someone is said to have seen a man with a child similar to Madeleine entering around the time of her disappearance,  a procedure which may require judicial authorisation unless approved by the owner of the premises.'
It comes after four arguidos - or 'persons of interest' - were quizzed in Portugal on Tuesday as part of the latest stage of the Metropolitan Police’s multi-million-pound reinvestigation of the case.

Officers from Operation Grange are believed to be using sniffer dogs to search the cars of two suspects quizzed earlier this week


Scotland Yard officers were present during the questioning of four men earlier this week at a police station in Faro (pictured) as part of a reinvestigation of Madeleine McCann's disappearance


None of the suspects have been identified by police though three are believed to be Portuguese while another is originally from Russia

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The suspects are said to be three Portuguese nationals and Russian computer expert Sergey Malinka, whose Praia da Luz home was searched by police shortly after Madeleine went missing in May 2007. The friend of Robert Murat and Malinka surfaces again . Who is the owner.

Tony Bennett wrote:

lj wrote:

SallyVern wrote:£5 million! That really ticks me off when I think that they're looking at one possibility only. 7 years of looking at break-in and abduction and coming up with zilch. Not even one piece of evidence to point at an intruder in their apartment. That must say something in itself. I'd like to see them put that much effort and money into looking at the parents to rule them out or in if such evidence arises.

5? It's around 7-8.

More like £10 million so far - with tens of thousands of pounds a day being spent each day Grange are in Portugal

cath2756 wrote:

Markus 2 wrote:cath2756  I think the shop is the Baptista Supermarket. When Eddie and Keela were brought in they lost the scent at the Baptista so it would make sense for the new dogs to retrace that route to see if they react in the same way

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Was it definitely Eddie and Keela, Markus? There are differing reports online between it being the cadaver dogs and tracker dogs. Either way I think it is Baptista and if it is it is very interesting that they are retracing old ground which indicates they trust the original findings and the original investigation

Ochosi wrote:A propos types of dogs - I wonder if tracking dogs could pick up a trail from a corpse, not from the cadaverine, but from the usual human scent they pick up from skin cells etc, which would still be present?

Baldrick wrote:

Seek truth wrote:Anybody read this ? In the sun:

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This is said by the MP.
And Amaral says all this being done now is irrelevant.!

Was in the paper today

I cant get the whole story without subscribing. Does anyone get the Sun online?

Markus 2 wrote:These are two similar, but different spellings.  Doubtful if they are connected  [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

   Yes similar

According to the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], the animals will search cars belonging to two of the suspects being quizzed by officers from Operation Grange.
The dogs, 7-year-old English Springer Spaniels named Tito and Muzzy, were used in the search for April Jones in 2012.

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endgame wrote:

Baldrick wrote:

Seek truth wrote:Anybody read this ? In the sun:

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This is said by the MP.
And Amaral says all this being done now is irrelevant.!

Was in the paper today

I cant get the whole story without subscribing. Does anyone get the Sun online?

The significance of the Rui Pereira article quoted fully by Joanna Morais is that it effectively debunks the idea that a genuine Portuguese investigation is taking place - something that many posters here cling to as an article of faith and a source of hope. He says that the reopening of the case was a mere device to get round the fact that under Portuguese law assistance could not be provided to SY without the reopening of the case. This was done out of a culture of gutless subservience to accommodate SY and not because the Portuguese actually wanted to reopen the case. It was a technical, notional reopening. Even so, he appears to claim that the offering of support to SY is still illegal and the law has been bent to allow this.

As I have said before on the forum, there are many ways of looking at and interpreting events in the case which do not fall neatly into either whitewash or McCann trap. When  it all emerges there may yet be explanations that no one has yet considered possible. This is one of them.

bodiddly wrote:Shubob it's Tuesdays paper sorry. I don't read the sun it was hanging about. I took a photo but on mob and it won't let me attach.
The words are to the effect that another 5 people of interest are to be quizzed and one that a source describes as a "vital informant"

Markus 2 wrote:These are two similar, but different spellings.  Doubtful if they are connected  [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

   Yes similar

According to the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], the animals will search cars belonging to two of the suspects being quizzed by officers from Operation Grange.
The dogs, 7-year-old English Springer Spaniels named Tito and Muzzy, were used in the search for April Jones in 2012.

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endgame wrote:

Baldrick wrote:

Seek truth wrote:Anybody read this ? In the sun:

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This is said by the MP.
And Amaral says all this being done now is irrelevant.!

Was in the paper today

I cant get the whole story without subscribing. Does anyone get the Sun online?

The significance of the Rui Pereira article quoted fully by Joanna Morais is that it effectively debunks the idea that a genuine Portuguese investigation is taking place - something that many posters here cling to as an article of faith and a source of hope. He says that the reopening of the case was a mere device to get round the fact that under Portuguese law assistance could not be provided to SY without the reopening of the case. This was done out of a culture of gutless subservience to accommodate SY and not because the Portuguese actually wanted to reopen the case. It was a technical, notional reopening. Even so, he appears to claim that the offering of support to SY is still illegal and the law has been bent to allow this.

As I have said before on the forum, there are many ways of looking at and interpreting events in the case which do not fall neatly into either whitewash or McCann trap. When  it all emerges there may yet be explanations that no one has yet considered possible. This is one of them.

NickE wrote:

Markus 2 wrote:These are two similar, but different spellings.  Doubtful if they are connected  [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

   Yes similar

According to the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], the animals will search cars belonging to two of the suspects being quizzed by officers from Operation Grange.
The dogs, 7-year-old English Springer Spaniels named Tito and Muzzy, were used in the search for April Jones in 2012.

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"There were a number of sightings of a man carrying a child away from the holiday apartments where her family were staying and police are now focusing on a building between the resort and the beach which witnesses say the man and entered with the child, reports the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. "

How many sightings was it?

Ochosi wrote: A propos types of dogs - I wonder if tracking dogs could pick up a trail from a corpse, not from the cadaverine, but from the usual human scent they pick up from skin cells etc, which would still be present?

cath2756 wrote: Thank you, Ochosi. That is exactly what I was trying to say in my earlier post but I ended up waffling. It would be interesting to find this out

candyfloss wrote:

endgame wrote:

Baldrick wrote:

Seek truth wrote:Anybody read this ? In the sun:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

This is said by the MP.
And Amaral says all this being done now is irrelevant.!

Was in the paper today

I cant get the whole story without subscribing. Does anyone get the Sun online?

The significance of the Rui Pereira article quoted fully by Joanna Morais is that it effectively debunks the idea that a genuine Portuguese investigation is taking place - something that many posters here cling to as an article of faith and a source of hope. He says that the reopening of the case was a mere device to get round the fact that under Portuguese law assistance could not be provided to SY without the reopening of the case. This was done out of a culture of gutless subservience to accommodate SY and not because the Portuguese actually wanted to reopen the case. It was a technical, notional reopening. Even so, he appears to claim that the offering of support to SY is still illegal and the law has been bent to allow this.

As I have said before on the forum, there are many ways of looking at and interpreting events in the case which do not fall neatly into either whitewash or McCann trap. When  it all emerges there may yet be explanations that no one has yet considered possible. This is one of them.

The Portuguese investigation started BEFORE the SY Op Grange.  I think perhaps it may have been the other way round.

ShuBob wrote:

NickE wrote:

Markus 2 wrote:These are two similar, but different spellings.  Doubtful if they are connected  [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

   Yes similar

According to the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], the animals will search cars belonging to two of the suspects being quizzed by officers from Operation Grange.
The dogs, 7-year-old English Springer Spaniels named Tito and Muzzy, were used in the search for April Jones in 2012.

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"There were a number of sightings of a man carrying a child away from the holiday apartments where her family were staying and police are now focusing on a building between the resort and the beach which witnesses say the man and entered with the child, reports the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. "

How many sightings was it?

Could this be linked to the apartment Amaral once talked about that witnesses had seen either one or both McCanns enter but the exact apartment wasn't known (if that makes sense   )

endgame wrote:

The significance of the Rui Pereira article quoted fully by Joanna Morais is that it effectively debunks the idea that a genuine Portuguese investigation is taking place - something that many posters here cling to as an article of faith and a source of hope. He says that the reopening of the case was a mere device to get round the fact that under Portuguese law assistance could not be provided to SY without the reopening of the case. This was done out of a culture of gutless subservience to accommodate SY and not because the Portuguese actually wanted to reopen the case. It was a technical, notional reopening. Even so, he appears to claim that the offering of support to SY is still illegal and the law has been bent to allow this.

As I have said before on the forum, there are many ways of looking at and interpreting events in the case which do not fall neatly into either whitewash or McCann trap. When  it all emerges there may yet be explanations that no one has yet considered possible. This is one of them.

Tony Bennett wrote:

endgame wrote:

The significance of the Rui Pereira article quoted fully by Joanna Morais is that it effectively debunks the idea that a genuine Portuguese investigation is taking place - something that many posters here cling to as an article of faith and a source of hope. He says that the reopening of the case was a mere device to get round the fact that under Portuguese law assistance could not be provided to SY without the reopening of the case. This was done out of a culture of gutless subservience to accommodate SY and not because the Portuguese actually wanted to reopen the case. It was a technical, notional reopening. Even so, he appears to claim that the offering of support to SY is still illegal and the law has been bent to allow this.

As I have said before on the forum, there are many ways of looking at and interpreting events in the case which do not fall neatly into either whitewash or McCann trap. When  it all emerges there may yet be explanations that no one has yet considered possible. This is one of them.

I have said exactly the same for months, if not longer.

And as evidence in support of my own view, and that of Rui Pereira, I would pray in aid the numerous articles we have had for the past 18 months in both the British and Portuguese press referring to the obvious bad blood between the two forces, culminating in headlines in our tabloids like: 'Portuguese Police: It's War' and suchlike.

Some here have thought that this is some kind of elaborate game being played out by both police forces to pretend to be at war when they are not.

This is then linked by some here to a suggestion that Redwood is a brilliant detective producing an endless supply of suspects, persons of interest, sex offenders, mobile 'phones to check, rogatory letters, lines of enquiry, actions, helicopter rides, digs, ground radar detection searches, augers, pickaxes, shovels, DNA tests, forensic anthropologists, statistics, photo opportunities etc. in a cunning effort to trap the real perpetrator(s) of Madeleine's disappearance.

The straightforward and IMO correct interpretation of all those press stories about the two forces not getting on with each other is that they are all true.

And therefore that the Portuguese Police are in no way pursuing a genuine investigation but at best are going through the motions to satisfy the needs and desires of Rebekah Brooks, David Cameron and the McCann Team.


A  luta  continua

Rebekah Brooks, David Cameron and the McCann Team work?    

elasticandy wrote:

Can you explain how does a conspiracy between Rebekah Brooks, David Cameron and the McCann Team work?    

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PdL,Outside the bank,near the church.

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elasticandy wrote:

Can you explain how does a conspiracy between Rebekah Brooks, David Cameron and the McCann Team work?    

Yes

Tony Bennett wrote:Amending road signs?

Tut, tut

endgame wrote:
I'm only setting out the possible implications of what Rui Pereira says. What he concludes by saying is this

"Moreover, if the process[investigation] had not been reopened in our country, the cooperation would be impossible, under the Article 8º of that same law.

This legal impossibility leads us to a truly inconvenient final question: since the international judicial cooperation is impossible when there has been a court acquittal or when a process is archived, is it possible that the reopening of the process had only the (deviant) purpose to enable the cooperation and place the police Portuguese "“at the service” of the British authorities?"