DCI Andy Redwood is to retire later this year and PJ now believes it was a foreigner who committed a crime whilst he was in Portugal.

by NickE 06.06.14 22:24

Dogs, a geo-radar and probes used in the search for Maddie McCann
Sandra Felgueiras / Carlos Pinota / Nuno Castro on Jun 06, 2014 21:35 / Updated on Jun 06, 2014, 21:35

Dived in case Madeleine and British operation, unprecedented, riding in Praia da Luz since Monday and that will continue until next week.
Thirty British police, equipped with two dogs specialists in detecting victims, a geo-radar and probes you inspect the sewerage component to what should be the last step of the British investigation.
The Friday 9 to know that the head of the operation, Andy Redwood, will retire later this year. For now, the Judicial Police demarcates altogether these clues so far not produced any results.
The PJ does not believe that Madeleine is buried in any of the three campuses of Praia da Luz that Scotland Yard is in sight and therefore did not displace any member of the team investigating the case in Portugal for the Algarve.

PJ now believes it was a foreigner who committed a crime whilst he was in Portugal. (video)
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by Woofer 06.06.14 23:41

Retiring - that`s hard to believe - he`s only about late 40s surely?

by maebee 06.06.14 23:46

PJ now believes it was a foreigner who committed a crime whilst he was in Portugal.

The P.J. always believed it was a foreigner who committed the crime. A U.K. citizen is a foreigner.

by waiting for justice 06.06.14 23:50

I'm intrigued to know where all this "info" is coming from.

Surely not from those that insist on not wanting a media circus. Wasn't there an anon Ex police officer giving lots of info in another post?

ETA Plus those close to this would be briefed up to the hilt to say nothing to anyone. They've stayed true to this, I doubt anyone would risk thier neck with a bit of hearsay.

by CynicAl 06.06.14 23:52

maebee wrote:
PJ now believes it was a foreigner who committed a crime whilst he was in Portugal.

The P.J. always believed it was a foreigner who committed the crime. A U.K. citizen is a foreigner.

He.

Foreigner committing a crime whilst on holiday.

Not accident + cover-up?

Gaspar Statements?

by CynicAl 06.06.14 23:57

waiting for justice wrote:I'm intrigued to know where all this "info" is coming from.

Surely not from those that insist on not wanting a media circus. Wasn't there an anon Ex police officer giving lots of info in another post?

Yes, after much silence there seems to be a sudden flow of publicly broadcast opinion and pressure to go back to the original investigation and do a serious job.

I wonder if someone, somewhere is applying leverage to shame the investigation into being more than a token.

by maebee 06.06.14 23:58

CynicAl wrote:
maebee wrote:
PJ now believes it was a foreigner who committed a crime whilst he was in Portugal.

The P.J. always believed it was a foreigner who committed the crime. A U.K. citizen is a foreigner.

He. ??

Foreigner committing a crime whilst on holiday. That's what happened

Not accident + cover-up? = Crime

Gaspar Statements? - criminal that the MSM have not published these.

by maebee 07.06.14 0:06

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DCI Redwood said he rejected the "conspiracy theories" about the parents and was focusing on "a criminal act by a stranger.

Time to retire him and his theories.

by maebee 07.06.14 0:09

Woofer wrote:
Retiring - that`s hard to believe - he`s only about late 40s surely?

Is he getting the Amaral treatment?

by ShuBob 07.06.14 0:12

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DCI Redwood said he rejected the "conspiracy theories" about the parents and was focusing on "a criminal act by a stranger.

Time to retire him and his theories.

Where is his original quote in its entirety?

by russiandoll 07.06.14 0:14

There is not one as far as I know.... this was reported in the Guardian after a press conference just as quoted above.

by maebee 07.06.14 0:17

ShuBob wrote:
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DCI Redwood said he rejected the "conspiracy theories" about the parents and was focusing on "a criminal act by a stranger.

Time to retire him and his theories.

Where is his original quote in its entirety?

Hi Shu, I just got it from Wiki:

Scotland Yard case review
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At the request of British [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], the Home Office began discussions in early 2010 with the Association of Chief Police Officers about setting up a new investigation.^{[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]} In May 2011, under Home Secretary [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], Scotland Yard launched an investigative review called Operation Grange, consisting of a team of 29 detectives and eight civilians led by Commander Simon Foy. Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood of Scotland Yard's [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is the senior investigating officer, reporting to Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell.^{[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]}
The review, which had cost £4.7m by August 2013, was financed by a government contingency fund at the request of Prime Minister [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], reportedly after News International persuaded the government to get the British police involved.^{[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]} DCI Redwood said he rejected the "conspiracy theories" about the parents and was focusing on "a criminal act by a stranger."^{[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]} The team began the work of translating tens of thousands of documents from the Portuguese inquiry, and in April 2012 released an updated age-progressed image of Madeleine. Redwood said they believed she may still be alive.^{[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]}

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by jeanmonroe 07.06.14 0:17

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English 'commentator' Tom Burridge

"what i know is there's a lot of pressure on the police, the Prime Minister David Cameron, has spoken on camera about this issue in the past and expessed his desire that investigation IS 'concluded'. The home secretary, the interior minister back in Britain, has spoken on several occaisions. A lot of PUBLIC money has been SPENT on Operation Grange, the British police's investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and there IS the PUBLIC OPINION. There is pressure on the police. This investigation is ANYTHING but 'normal' and it has NEVER been 'normal' from the very day Madeleine McCann disappeared"

Oh dear,

Taxi for Tom?

by ShuBob 07.06.14 0:20

Thanks.

Based on the fact there is no direct quote, I think it's unfair to criticise Redwood. We are all too aware of how the press twist comments. Of course, he could have said it as reported but until I see the quote in context, I'll reserve judgement.

by maebee 07.06.14 0:21

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English 'commentator' Tom Burridge

"what i know is there's a lot of pressure on the police, the Prime Minister David Cameron, has spoken on camera about this issue in the past and expressed his desire that investigation is concluded. The home secretary, the interior minister back in Britain, has spoken on several occaisions. A lot of public money has been spent on Operation Grange, the British police's investigtion into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and there is the public opinion. There is pressure on the police. This investigation is ANYTHING but 'normal' and it has NEVER been 'normal' from the very day Madeleine McCann disappeared"

Ooh, sounds like Cameron has had enough.

by maebee 07.06.14 0:25

ShuBob wrote:Thanks.

Based on the fact there is no direct quote, I think it's unfair to criticise Redwood. We are all too aware of how the press twist comments. Of course, he could have said it as reported but until I see the quote in context, I'll reserve judgement.

Fairy nuff ShuBob. I wasn't criticising Redwood. I just thought it might be pertinent to the news that he's now retiring. We all know what wiki is.

by russiandoll 07.06.14 0:25

Shubob, as there wasn't a direct quote from Redwood, imo the reporter might have been ref his answer to a question during an interview around the same time, when he said that neither the parents nor their friends were persons of interest or suspects.

by ShuBob 07.06.14 0:27

russiandoll wrote:Shubob, as there wasn't a direct quote from Redwood, imo the reporter might have been ref his answer to a question during an interview around the same time, when he said that neither the parents nor their friends were persons of interest or suspects.

That's what I suspect happened but the reporter could still have quoted Redwood's full response as well as the question.

by jeanmonroe 07.06.14 0:37

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“He (Andy Redwood) said detectives believe Madeleine was abducted in “a criminal act by a stranger”.”

Yes Andy Redwood certainly said that, and on camera too! ….. it was shown on New Zealand News this evening. I could not believe my eyes, especially after seeing him answering questions on the video issued by the Met!
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"Following forensic analysis of the time line, I am satisfied there was an opportunity for Madeleine to be taken as part of a criminal act -- abduction by a stranger" said Mr Redwood.

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by canada12 07.06.14 1:37

Ah but what's the definition of a "stranger"?
An opportunity for Madeleine to be taken, yes - dead or alive, not specified. Therefore a dead Madeleine still in the equation.
Part of a criminal act. Yes - let's define the criminal act. The concealing of a death? The death itself?
Abduction by a stranger. A stranger to who? Madeleine? Or the parents? A stranger to Madeleine might include anyone outside the Tapas 9. And there were a number of them who might have been pressed into action on the night of May 3. Not a stranger to the parents. Only to Madeleine.

I think Andy Redwood's quote could be the truth. And not at all inconsistent with what we have believed all along happened.

All in my opinion only.

by Guest 07.06.14 1:42

The f. Redwood getting goncaloed? This must be a joke? The man who doesn't blink and stays cool in fields of weed, searching for truth. I hope not that this is all true, cause he's doing the job that no one does.

by jeanmonroe 07.06.14 1:59

3mins 10secs

DCI Andy Redwood:

".................and it is our belief as experienced investigators, (emphasised) ON THE EVIDENCE that erm, that y'know. that, that, is a criminal act that has been y'know undertaken by, by a stranger.........."

Now what 'EVIDENCE' would that be then, DCI Redwood?

Do tell!

So we can all know, 'y'know'.

eta: 'EXPERIENCED INVESTIGATORS'?

Oh please.

Over 3 YEARS, £8,5+ MILLION of taxpayers money, rising daily, (God knows how much the 2 week PDL 'jolly' they are on at the moment is going to 'cost'), 38 'solely dedicated' Maddie 'cops', to come up with................... NADA, ZILCH, NUFFINK, ZERO!

Even the office junior, and Andy's Ex boss, Cmd Simon Foy, KNOWS the last person(s) to have claimed to have seen a 'live' missing person is automatically a 'person of interest'

BUT, according to those 'experienced investigators' at Belgravia (Met) he/she/they are NOT!

by Guest 07.06.14 2:08

If Redwood is gonna get ousted as the mayor of the beautiful city of Open Minded F$%^@ Up The Villains, I'll quit rooting for England during the World Cup, even when Rooney gets into the box with just the, probably gay, goalkeeper of a third world country.
England be warned. For I will fail to root.

by DonNewbery 07.06.14 2:37

jeanmonroe wrote:

3mins 10secs

DCI Andy Redwood:

".................and it is our belief as experienced investigators, (emphasised) ON THE EVIDENCE that erm, that y'know. that, that, is a criminal act that has been y'know undertaken by, by a stranger.........."

Now what 'EVIDENCE' would that be then, DCI Redwood?

Do tell!

So we can all know, 'y'know'.

eta: 'EXPERIENCED INVESTIGATORS'?

Oh please.

Over 3 YEARS, £8,5+ MILLION of taxpayers money, rising daily, (God knows how much the 2 week PDL 'jolly' they are on at the moment is going to 'cost'), 38 'solely dedicated' Maddie 'cops', to come up with................... NADA, ZILCH, NUFFINK, ZERO!

Even the office junior, and Andy's Ex boss, Cmd Simon Foy, KNOWS the last person(s) to have claimed to have seen a 'live' missing person is automatically a 'person of interest'

BUT, according to those 'experienced investigators' at Belgravia (Met) he/she/they are NOT!

I'm baffled why you're posting this interview now, which is surely at least two years old and TOTALLY irrelevant to anything that's happened since.

by Pershing36 07.06.14 3:04

This case does seem to be a bit of a poisoned chalice if you are a Policeman.

I wonder who will be next to take the helm? Even though I am sure it will be shut down within weeks.

by AndyB 07.06.14 8:06

maebee wrote:Hi Shu, I just got it from Wiki:
Scotland Yard case review
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Thats a bit naughty of the author of the wikipedia article. They've quoted redwood saying "conspiracy theories" yet, while the article they cite as a reference from [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] does include the phrase, it isn't a quote from Redwood. Its from the journalist that wrote the article

by plebgate 07.06.14 9:01

If he's retiring by the end of the year does it mean that a conclusion to the case will have been reached or will someone else take over as lead invesigator?

Will he be on the receiving end of a GONG?

by SixMillionQuid 07.06.14 9:03

DonNewbery wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:

3mins 10secs

DCI Andy Redwood:

".................and it is our belief as experienced investigators, (emphasised) ON THE EVIDENCE that erm, that y'know. that, that, is a criminal act that has been y'know undertaken by, by a stranger.........."

Now what 'EVIDENCE' would that be then, DCI Redwood?

Do tell!

So we can all know, 'y'know'.

eta: 'EXPERIENCED INVESTIGATORS'?

Oh please.

Over 3 YEARS, £8,5+ MILLION of taxpayers money, rising daily, (God knows how much the 2 week PDL 'jolly' they are on at the moment is going to 'cost'), 38 'solely dedicated' Maddie 'cops', to come up with................... NADA, ZILCH, NUFFINK, ZERO!

Even the office junior, and Andy's Ex boss, Cmd Simon Foy, KNOWS the last person(s) to have claimed to have seen a 'live' missing person is automatically a 'person of interest'

BUT, according to those 'experienced investigators' at Belgravia (Met) he/she/they are NOT!
I'm baffled why you're posting this interview now, which is surely at least two years old and TOTALLY irrelevant to anything that's happened since.

Let me guess. He only said that to fool the McCanns?

And what has happened over the last two years?

by endgame 07.06.14 9:13

NickE wrote:Dogs, a geo-radar and probes used in the search for Maddie McCann
Sandra Felgueiras / Carlos Pinota / Nuno Castro on Jun 06, 2014 21:35 / Updated on Jun 06, 2014, 21:35

Dived in case Madeleine and British operation, unprecedented, riding in Praia da Luz since Monday and that will continue until next week.
Thirty British police, equipped with two dogs specialists in detecting victims, a geo-radar and probes you inspect the sewerage component to what should be the last step of the British investigation.
The Friday 9 to know that the head of the operation, Andy Redwood, will retire later this year. For now, the Judicial Police demarcates altogether these clues so far not produced any results.
The PJ does not believe that Madeleine is buried in any of the three campuses of Praia da Luz that Scotland Yard is in sight and therefore did not displace any member of the team investigating the case in Portugal for the Algarve.

PJ now believes it was a foreigner who committed a crime whilst he was in Portugal. (video)
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Translated with Google.

Why have you changed the last sentence therefore completely changing the meaning of what was actually said? This is what was said

"The PJ, meanwhile, has discarded Euclides Monteiro as primary suspect, and believes now, that the man who may have taken Madeleine, was a foreigner that has committed an isolated crime, at a time when he was spending his holidays in Portugal."

This strongly suggests that the PJ is also [or at least could well be] pursuing some form of abduction theory and not that they are talking in code that really means "we are right on the heels of the McCanns" which some of the above posters seem to believe based on your misquotation.

by tiny 07.06.14 9:25

endgame wrote:
NickE wrote:Dogs, a geo-radar and probes used in the search for Maddie McCann
Sandra Felgueiras / Carlos Pinota / Nuno Castro on Jun 06, 2014 21:35 / Updated on Jun 06, 2014, 21:35

Dived in case Madeleine and British operation, unprecedented, riding in Praia da Luz since Monday and that will continue until next week.
Thirty British police, equipped with two dogs specialists in detecting victims, a geo-radar and probes you inspect the sewerage component to what should be the last step of the British investigation.
The Friday 9 to know that the head of the operation, Andy Redwood, will retire later this year. For now, the Judicial Police demarcates altogether these clues so far not produced any results.
The PJ does not believe that Madeleine is buried in any of the three campuses of Praia da Luz that Scotland Yard is in sight and therefore did not displace any member of the team investigating the case in Portugal for the Algarve.

PJ now believes it was a foreigner who committed a crime whilst he was in Portugal. (video)
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Translated with Google.
Why have you changed the last sentence therefore completely changing the meaning of what was actually said? This is what was said

"The PJ, meanwhile, has discarded Euclides Monteiro as primary suspect, and believes now, that the man who may have taken Madeleine, was a foreigner that has committed an isolated crime, at a time when he was spending his holidays in Portugal."

This strongly suggests that the PJ is also [or at least could well be] pursuing some form of abduction theory and not that they are talking in code that really means "we are right on the heels of the McCanns" which some of the above posters seem to believe based on your misquotation.

Sounds like they still think its gerry

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