Re: McCanns will NOT return to Portugal

by nglfi 29.05.14 7:52

sharonl wrote:
nglfi wrote:Is this the first time CM has said he 'cannot and will not discuss operation Grange? ' normally he's dying to spill the beans? I thought this phrasing was very odd for him.

It's not the first time, we have often heard the phrase "Kate and Gerry McCann do not wish to comment" from the highly paid spokesman. He's been lost for words before, probably afraid of putting his foot in it.

Ah ok, thanks. I was being optimistic and hoping he'd jumped ship.

by Guest 29.05.14 7:59

CM can't jump ship now. He's joined at the hip with Mr&Mrs. I hope he's still spokescreature during general election campaign so that he can be challenged on his role. (Delete that: hopefully by then they'll all be facing charges).

by nglfi 29.05.14 8:28

I wouldn't be surprised at the ability of a politician to try and weasel their way out of any situation, regardless of how f###ed they are! It'll be interesting to see what CM's standpoint will be if the two are ever charged.

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by Gillyspot 29.05.14 8:44

Dutchgirl wrote:Madeleine McCann's parents vow not to return to Portugal unless new search finds daughter's DNA

This is Clarence Mitchell being quoted so he is still on the McCanns' payroll

But Kate and Gerry McCann have decided to stay away, a close pal has revealed.
The friend said: “They welcome the new phase of the investigation and hope it may lead them a step closer to finding out what happened to their daughter. They will be kept informed by Scotland Yard of any developments but they have no intention of going there. It is the last place they would want to be while digging takes place.
“It will be a hugely emotional time for Madeleine’s parents but it is a scenario they know needs to happen. They will only go to Portugal, God forbid, if any remains matching her DNA were found.”

by Guest 29.05.14 8:49

nglfi wrote:I wouldn't be surprised at the ability of a politician to try and weasel their way out of any situation, regardless of how f###ed they are! It'll be interesting to see what CM's standpoint will be if the two are ever charged.

Whoever's controlling him will have a plan in place.

by margaret 29.05.14 9:13

Ladyinred wrote:
nglfi wrote:I wouldn't be surprised at the ability of a politician to try and weasel their way out of any situation, regardless of how f###ed they are! It'll be interesting to see what CM's standpoint will be if the two are ever charged.

Whoever's controlling him will have a plan in place.

I suspect Pinky would then like us to believe he knew all along and it was his dastardly plan to assist them until the police caught up with them. lol

by **PeterMac** 29.05.14 9:17

No decent lawyer would let them return to Portugal.
They are still not sufficiently in control of their body language, nor indeed their spoken language to be allowed anywhere near.

by Guest 29.05.14 9:21

PeterMac wrote:No decent lawyer would let them return to Portugal.
They are still not sufficiently in control of their body language, nor indeed their spoken language to be allowed anywhere near.

Didn't K say in her chat with Fiona that she goes to Portugal once or twice a year?

by canada12 29.05.14 9:25

margaret wrote:
Ladyinred wrote:
nglfi wrote:I wouldn't be surprised at the ability of a politician to try and weasel their way out of any situation, regardless of how f###ed they are! It'll be interesting to see what CM's standpoint will be if the two are ever charged.

Whoever's controlling him will have a plan in place.

I suspect Pinky would then like us to believe he knew all along and it was his dastardly plan to assist them until the police caught up with them.

If he really is in MI5 or MI6 that wouldn't be such a far-fetched idea. Spies are "turned" all the time. And report to multiple people. Wouldn't it be interesting if all along CM was working for SY, and not the McCanns....

by margaret 29.05.14 9:29

canada12 wrote:
margaret wrote:
Ladyinred wrote:
nglfi wrote:I wouldn't be surprised at the ability of a politician to try and weasel their way out of any situation, regardless of how f###ed they are! It'll be interesting to see what CM's standpoint will be if the two are ever charged.

Whoever's controlling him will have a plan in place.

I suspect Pinky would then like us to believe he knew all along and it was his dastardly plan to assist them until the police caught up with them.

If he really is in MI5 or MI6 that wouldn't be such a far-fetched idea. Spies are "turned" all the time. And report to multiple people. Wouldn't it be interesting if all along CM was working for SY, and not the McCanns....

Isn't a spy meant to blend in and not be noticed?

I suspect he would like us to believe that but he's a buffoon, a pompous idiot who must have gone to the Mr.Bean school of spying.

I would put good money of him trying to say it but we'll see if he's expendable or his part in this can be whitewashed.....

by **PeterMac** 29.05.14 9:45

canada12 wrote:Wouldn't it be interesting if all along CM was working for SY, and not the McCanns....

That's a lovely goonspiracy theory.
Teresa May is Home Secy, and therefore party to and theoretically in control of everything MI5 does.
SO
In return for letting CM stand as a candidate he agrees to work for SY

I can feel a book coming on.

Tinker Tailor Told-a Lie ?
Lie-catcher
From Praia with Love
The Dishonourable Schoolboy
The Day of the Jackass
The 39 yards

by The Rooster 29.05.14 9:53

I'm sure Mitchell will have been interviewed by police and that he has effectively been gagged by them. Some hacks ring him for an opinion and he says "he can't and he won't comment" on grange. Notwithstanding this I really think he's passionate about becoming accepted into politics and dining in the rooms at Westminster Palace, rather than operating outhouse as it were. I don't think he would want to compromise his opportunities and would therefore be willing to help in a positive way the authorities regarding the disappearance. If the parents are involved and he knows, he will tell, of that there is no doubt in my mind. He has a family and a career to lose. Why exchange that for a prison cell next to Gerald McCann in Wandsworth...

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Without doubt, Wanno, as it is known, has the worst reputation of any jail in the UK. Prisoners know it as a "screws' nick", where the regime is dictated by staff rather than management.

I'm sure the same will go for any of the other "in the know" parties involved. No brainer really!!!

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by Guest 29.05.14 9:56

PeterMac wrote:
canada12 wrote:Wouldn't it be interesting if all along CM was working for SY, and not the McCanns....
That's a lovely goonspiracy theory.
Teresa May is Home Secy, and therefore party to and theoretically in control of everything MI5 does.
SO
In return for letting CM stand as a candidate he agrees to work for SY

I can feel a book coming on.

Tinker Tailor Told-a Lie ?
Lie-catcher
From Praia with Love
The Dishonourable Schoolboy
The Day of the Jackass
The 39 yards

Brighton Sock
Dial M for Mitchell

by bobbin 29.05.14 9:57

Ladyinred wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
canada12 wrote:Wouldn't it be interesting if all along CM was working for SY, and not the McCanns....
That's a lovely goonspiracy theory.
Teresa May is Home Secy, and therefore party to and theoretically in control of everything MI5 does.
SO
In return for letting CM stand as a candidate he agrees to work for SY

I can feel a book coming on.

Tinker Tailor Told-a Lie ?
Lie-catcher
From Praia with Love
The Dishonourable Schoolboy
The Day of the Jackass
The 39 yards

Brighton Sock

Pink Rock ?

by canada12 29.05.14 10:01

PeterMac wrote:
canada12 wrote:Wouldn't it be interesting if all along CM was working for SY, and not the McCanns....
That's a lovely goonspiracy theory.
Teresa May is Home Secy, and therefore party to and theoretically in control of everything MI5 does.
SO
In return for letting CM stand as a candidate he agrees to work for SY

I can feel a book coming on.

Tinker Tailor Told-a Lie ?
Lie-catcher
From Praia with Love
The Dishonourable Schoolboy
The Day of the Jackass
The 39 yards

Dr. No Comment big grin

by Guest 29.05.14 10:05

McCon Air (yes, it's a film).

Catch me if you Mccan

by tasprin 29.05.14 10:29

God forbid the day Clarence Mitchell really does refuse to comment big grin

Clarence Mitchell refused to comment, “I cannot and will not discuss Operation Grange.” but the friend/close pal - also known as Clarence Mitchell - said: “They welcome the new phase of the investigation and hope it may lead them a step closer to finding out what happened to their daughter. They will be kept informed by Scotland Yard of any developments but they have no intention of going there. It is the last place they would want to be while digging takes place. It will be a hugely emotional time for Madeleine’s parents but it is a scenario they know needs to happen. They will only go to Portugal, God forbid, if any remains matching her DNA were found.”

The Mirror
10 January 2008
“If, God forbid, Madeleine were never to be found, if some sort of legacy for her were the introduction of a proper [alert] system in Europe which would mean that no other family were ever in this dreadful position again, then at least some good would have come out of this appalling situation.

Sunday Times
10 February 2008
Spanish detective agency [Metodo3] was hired was because of Portugal’s “language and cultural connection” with Spain, 'If we’d had big-booted Brits or, God forbid, Americans, we’d have had doors slammed in our face, and it’s quite likely we could have been charged with hindering the investigation, as technically it’s illegal in Portugal to undertake a secondary investigation,'

Sky News
4 March 2008
A British couple reportedly spotted a "package" being put onto a jet ski on a beach close to where Madeleine went missing in Praia da Luz. The holiday makers had been for a morning swim about 10 hours after the child, then aged three, vanished from the McCanns' apartment on May 3 last year. "It may well be nothing to do with Madeleine. God forbid it has nothing to do with her but Kate and Gerry will get neither up nor down about it until they hear something definitive from the police or investigators. It's something they are keenly aware of but it is not something that strikes them as either good or bad."

The Observer
6 April 2008
“You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones, and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened. They were running around and then several hours later they were forced to sit down and recount their movements in exact detail and they were at sixes and sevens... We would say that, if the police had a perfect time line across nine people, that would be a damn sight more suspicious than the fractured, illogical composite statements they might have got…..
…Meanwhile, they have thrown themselves into urging Britain and the rest of Europe to improve co-ordination in dealing with missing children and to adopt an American-style 'amber light' alert system to speed up attempts to find them. That will be the core message of a British television documentary in which they plan to take part on the first anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance. They feel that if, God forbid, Madeleine is not found, that will be a fitting legacy for her.” says Mitchell.”

The Mirror
12 April 2008
Clarence Mitchell yesterday said the couple had actually stepped up their checks on the children to less than half-hourly intervals in the wake of Madeleine's remark…"Nobody, but nobody, regrets it more than they do. And if, God forbid, Madeleine is never found they will have to live with it for the rest of their lives.”

Daily Record
8 August 2008
"Trafficking into Belgium forms a very strong part of their investigations, as does trafficking into North Africa. They would hope the Portuguese police have acted to the absolute best of their ability in following this up. The private investigators will be pursuing this line as an absolute priority to establish if it has been fully investigated. Kate and Gerry have learned an awful lot about this kind of thing and God forbid Madeleine has fallen foul of any of these types."

Independent
1 March 2009
“They Made a Mistake at the time: they weren’t with her when it happened. They will always regret that, God forbid, for the rest of their lives.”

Culture Media and Sport Committee
10 March 2009
“However when there are legitimate anniversaries, God forbid that it goes on that long, Kate and Gerry may well choose to do some interviews, and we will choose which are the most effective and refine what messages are from the search side, from the investigative side, that will hopefully yield that piece of information.”

Leicester Mercury
7 December 2010
“Money is still being spent on the investigation and without any more money coming it may run out by spring. The book will be coming out around the fourth anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance - God forbid we get that far.”

Radio Humberside) interviews Clarence Mitchell
7 October 2011
“…nothing has been found of Madeleine since, not a trace, tends to suggest that she has been taken somewhere else and has been, hopefully is being looked after or at least cared for with someone. That is the working hypothesis. In some cases, if God forbid, she had been harmed, she probably would have been found long ago but she hasn’t been and that’s why they keep going.”

by Dr What 29.05.14 10:44

'The Spy Who Came In From The Beach.'

'Funeral in Lisbon'

by Bishop Brennan 29.05.14 10:49

tasprin wrote:God forbid the day Clarence Mitchell really does refuse to comment

by russiandoll 29.05.14 10:51

Has Clarrie ever said the following ?

If, God Forbid, the police decide it is time to ask Kate to elaborate on these words of hers -

"I know the situation we were in that night,"
"I know that what happened is not due to the fact of us leaving the children asleep. I know it happened under other circumstances."
"I was sure immediately that she didn't walk out of that room"

Because she knows, you know....

by Lance De Boils 29.05.14 11:24

My questions and guesswork possible answers:

1. Why have the McCanns stated that they have no intention of returning to Portugal?

They've managed to go back to meet lawyers and to attend a libel trial.
Kate said she goes back a couple of times a year "to be close to Madeleine", to pray, to see close friends there.
They are supposedly 'buoyed' by the SY review. And this is SY involved in the search, not just the "f*ing tossers" and 'sardine-munching bungling PJ'.
They are supposedly desperate for answers.
The Needham family are also desperate for answers - they were present at the site of the dig for their missing boy.

a) They already know what the outcome will be and know the digging will yield nothing? [HOW could they know that?]
b) They already know what the outcome will be and know the digging will yield something? [HOW could they know that?]
c) Because they are scared? Have been advised not to by lawyers? [Scared of what? Advised - why? - takes us back to b)]
d) They don't care what the dig results are? [Which takes us back to a)]
e) They don't feel that they need to be 'close to Madeleine' at the time it could really matter? They wouldn't want to be present if her remains were found? They wouldn't want a priest there to 'bless' her? (Or whatever the wording should be.)

2. Why the strange conditional: unless Madeleine's DNA is found?

Does that mean that if a small child's remains were found, but no DNA could be obtained (for some reason,) they won't consider that it could be their daughter?

Does that mean that if items identical to those belonging to Maddie are found, they won't be interested unless a DNA sample can be retrieved AND MATCHED?

Does all of that mean that they are very confident that no matter what may be found, there will be NO DNA MATCH? [How could they know that?]

Which then begs the question:

3. How do SY KNOW that they have got a correct control sample of Madeleine's DNA to compare?

I'm not talking about a comparison with the parents' DNA, or her siblings', because there is the possibility that Madeleine is not the biological child of one or other parent. (Unless that has been proven 100%.)

by frost 29.05.14 11:47

Lance De Boils wrote:

3. How do SY KNOW that they have got a correct control sample of Madeleine's DNA to compare?

I'm not talking about a comparison with the parents' DNA, or her siblings', because there is the possibility that Madeleine is not the biological child of one or other parent. (Unless that has been proven 100%.)

Surely the portuguese authorities will have been given access to a true form of Madeleines dna by now . The guthrie test or heel prick test performed at birth is surely kept on file for life so if that blood spot is kept somewhere it would be the only true form of Madeleines dna as I do not believe anything the Mccanns have passed onto the police is an exact match to Madeleine I think they have done their best to contaminate and muddy the waters from the start. If scotland yard do want to get to the truth id have thought they would have asked for this sample which i presume would require some kind of warrant and handed it over to the portuguese .

As for the Mccanns not returning to Portugal thats very telling I think they think if they did they would be arrested as soon as they got off the plane . Do they really think they are immune from arrest sat at home in Rothley ?

Any other parent of a missing child would have jumped on the first available plane if there was any chance their child was about to be found . I hope the rest of the world are now waking up to the fact of just how much of a charade the last 7 years have been .

by ChippyM 29.05.14 11:48

Lance De Boils wrote:
2. Why the strange conditional: unless Madeleine's DNA is found?

Does that mean that if a small child's remains were found, but no DNA could be obtained (for some reason,) they won't consider that it could be their daughter?

Does that mean that if items identical to those belonging to Maddie are found, they won't be interested unless a DNA sample can be retrieved AND MATCHED?

Does all of that mean that they are very confident that no matter what may be found, there will be NO DNA MATCH? [How could they know that?]

Which then begs the question:

Is it perhaps a way of infering that these operations are not likely to find anything that would solve the case. That at least is what the McCann's want us to believe via the media.

In the Mirror article that first mentioned digging, the source said the operations were not based on any new evidence and were not necessarily looking for a body.

I think the Mc's want us to believe that no-one will find a body. Using the phrase 'vowing' not to return to Portugal, is interesting too. The word 'vow' has connotations of making a solemn promise, being honest in front of someone else or god. So in combination they want us to believe nothing significant will be found and they are in the position to make honest and clear declarations.

by stillsloppingout 29.05.14 11:53

canada12 wrote:I wonder what would happen if something was found that perhaps had belonged to Madeleine but it didn't contain any DNA. However it would need to be identified. Would SY bring it back to the UK? Or would it remain in Portugal, and Kate and / or Gerry would be required to go to Portugal to identify it?

If they find so much as a tooth brush they are fuc**d .

by Angelique 29.05.14 11:57

frost wrote:

Any other parent of a missing child would have jumped on the first available plane if there was any chance their child was about to be found . I hope the rest of the world are now waking up to the fact of just how much of a charade the last 7 years have been .

In agree, it would be the worst journey but you would have to go to know and to ease the suffering, almost like a pilgrimage. But you would have to go. It's what people say, not knowing is the worst thing.

by frost 29.05.14 11:59

Cristobell wrote:Odd the McCanns should say DNA rather than body. If a body is found, will they dispute it until they have DNA evidence? Sounds a bit like Gerry's 'there's no evidence' and 'find the body'. They are clearly not happy about the dig, first they asked for it to be postponed, now they have said they have no intention of going out there. I agree, it sounds like fighting talk.

If the police had headed out to the moors with JCB diggers, I don't think anything would have kept Winnie Johnson, now departed, mother of Keith Bennett away.

Winnie Johnson bless her was only in her late 20's when Keith went missing and spent the rest of her life tortured desperately searching for her son , she went on the moors hundreds of times and dug with her bare hands in a desperate plea to find him . She never gave up , she battled on quietly in the background for justice for Keith unlike the Mccans and their media circus who have flown around the world in private jets like mega stars yet have never dug with their bare hands for Madeleine and even now when official digs are about to begin are not going to be searching for Madeleine themselves no they are protecting their own skin safely or so they think tucked away at Rothley .

I have the utmost respect for Winnie Johnson I have absolutely none for the Mccanns .

by stillsloppingout 29.05.14 12:01

bobbin wrote:
Ladyinred wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
canada12 wrote:Wouldn't it be interesting if all along CM was working for SY, and not the McCanns....
That's a lovely goonspiracy theory.
Teresa May is Home Secy, and therefore party to and theoretically in control of everything MI5 does.
SO
In return for letting CM stand as a candidate he agrees to work for SY

I can feel a book coming on.

Tinker Tailor Told-a Lie ?
Lie-catcher
From Praia with Love
The Dishonourable Schoolboy
The Day of the Jackass
The 39 yards

Brighton Sock
Pink Rock ?

Brighton CO*K

by whatliesbehindthesofa 29.05.14 12:28

Lance De Boils wrote:
I'm not talking about a comparison with the parents' DNA, or her siblings', because there is the possibility that Madeleine is not the biological child of one or other parent. (Unless that has been proven 100%.)

IIRC the DNA tested was shown to be a female child of Kate and Gerry McCann who wasn't Amelie. So unless the McCanns have another daughter hidden away somewhere, I'd say it has been proven 100%.

I'll look for the source to this.

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