Digging to start next week - UPDATE... starting today 2/6/14

Our newschannel is sending the digging live, not sure it will work outside Norway, but there might be other newschannels from other countries sending it live as well.

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Update: Seems like they are finished for the day, everyone just got in their cars and drove away from the place..

fizzbomb1 wrote:Former Met Police search advisor Keith Farquharson , interviewd on sky news 13.35 pm 

asked about the search , "well the  team will be using ground penetrating  radar , this won't show up bones , but then we will bring in specialist dogs" , well they did that seven years ago !!!!!!!

Your thread merged into this one fizzbomb1

Praia wrote:I actually have a good quality wristband somewhere! I was at the First anniversary Service in Luz and the Hubbard's eldest son gave them out before it started. It was amusing to see people like me who put it away in their bag / pocket straight away and the other "parent's supporters"
who eagerly put them on.

I saw the McCanns in Baptista supermarket actually trying to sell them in June 2007. My OH dragged me out before I got myself locked up for GBH.

   

So, GQWB's 'given away' to some people, but others had to 'buy' them?

They 'missed' a trick there!

'Captive' audience at Service but no money paid for GQWB's to boost the new lifestyle 'fund'

No wonder John McCann was spitting feathers! (at the drop in 'donations' to the 'fund')   

Truthmustout wrote:Our newschannel is sending the digging live, not sure it will work outside Norway, but there might be other newschannels from other countries sending it live as well.

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Update: Seems like they are finished for the day, everyone just got in their cars and drove away from the place..

Perhaps this was a "decoy" dig whilst the real dig(s) was/were going on elsewhere, away from prying eyes.

PeterMac has mentioned many times about phone "pings", some of which were on the way to a golf course overlooking the sea.  Pat Brown (USA criminal profiler) has also mentioned about a piece of rough ground outside PDL where I believe phone "pings" were also noted.  If I remember, I think PM mentioned that he'd been to that piece of ground with PB, there is a photo of it on this forum somewhere.

Spot the difference  now on  BBC news 

Mother of missing trekker Gareth Huntley ,[ Missing Backpacker ]  arrives in Malaysia as " she wants to be there when they find him " .

Mmmm, we were given candles and John McCann came around with the Easter Pascal candle and the person at the end of each row lit their candle from it and passed the flame onto their neighbour. He could nt have stood any closer to me and gave me a creepy grin which made me shudder. IMO he knows exactly what happened.


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Praia I can't find a post where you answered someone re the search areas in relation to the Mcs runs.  There has been a photo posted on the forum fromt page showing the Mcs running uphill with what looks like the church of NSdL in the background... this is up towards the cliff area, isn't it? So they are running east?

No way the expenditure for all this will have been OK'd without some kind of evidence. A theory requiring testing would surely not be enough.
The sad case of the murdered schoolgirl Genette Tate is in the papers today - the article I read referred to the 'complex caseload unit' of the Crown Prosecution Service. No doubt the CPS has been directing this for some time in terms of the evidential threshold required. I had no idea they had such a special unit which is probably involved in this case as well.

They need evidence to seek a warrent, the owner has rights, they can't just dig for a decoy, they must be a solid reason for them getting permission to search.

Hi Russiandoll, that is correct, east up Rocha Negra to the back of Boavista golf resort where they met with local helpers IMO.

Newintown wrote:If I remember, I think PM mentioned that he'd been to that piece of ground with PB, there is a photo of it on this forum somewhere.

Incredible, isn't it, that Pat Brown, Criminal Profiler, flew all the way over to PdL from the USA to meet up with our very own PeterMac, retired Police Superintendent, to search the area looking for clues as to where Maddie is.

Truly amazing thing to do

Re my earlier post about SIX met officers walking through the scrubland.

Just 're-looked' and there is a GNR officer, arms folded, 'following' behind them at about 10 metres.

The PJ/GNR, are NOT going to be 'surprised' by anything ONLY the 'superior/elite' Met officers 'find/discover', imo.

Hope so, anyway.

Even phones seven years ago are accurate with there " pings " to the nearest mast accurate within half a mile or so . SY Would have been i guess more able to request the mobile data than the PJ . 

   Shipman was undone because he recorded some deaths onto his computer ,PRIOR  to the victims demises , he deleted these files, but did not know that the hard drive stores ALL deleted data and it is recoverable , as Mobiles were still quite new in 2007 , [ not everybody had one then ] could it be that another doctor has been done by not being up to speed with modern technology ? .

Praia wrote:Yes it was for the book banning, I did not say it was the latest case. But the Paynes have sponsered the McCanns' fundraising runs. I remember shuddering when I read the twee message from Dave, Fi, Lily and Scarlett.

I agree Praia, FP is one of the smugest of the lot..I remember very clearly the day she, Russell and Rachael were on their way to incriminate Murat, wearing a Madeleine badge on her trousers, with a look of "you can't touch me" on her face.  I think those days are long gone now, despite paying lip service to the McCanns with the occasional donation to their "charity" efforts.

And my condolences to you, having been forced into the presence of the extremely creepy John McCann...he really makes me shudder!

  
Shipman was undone because he recorded some deaths onto his computer ,PRIOR  to the victims demises , he deleted these files, but did not know that the hard drive stores ALL deleted data and it is recoverable
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OMG!

Even if 'scrubbed, in bleach, with a toothbrush'?

OKay gotta go, get me some rubber gloves, Busy, busy, busy.!     

   

jeanmonroe wrote:Re my earlier post about SIX met officers walking through the scrubland.

Just 're-looked' and there is a GNR officer 'following' behind them at about 10 metres.

On the BBC footage, there is a whole group of GNR officers, clearly labelled as such on the backs of their blue shirts. They rae mostly milling around aimlessly, hands in pockets, probably just guarding the perimeter of the dig area. 

It is on the record that Scotland Yard are required to foot the bill for this week-long, high-tech search (as well as the hire of the Alouette Mark III military helicopter a month ago).

The bill looks like it's going to be quite a big one

ETA:  BBC article just now, 'Worries in Luz', about the concern being expressed by residents of Praia da Luz contains this memorable sentence:

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One woman known as Nana, who has lived in the area for 15 years, feels so strongly that she walks up to the site on Rua 25 da Abril with a handmade placard bearing the words:

 "Dig up lies, not Luz".

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Any one know why they are at, i'm going to call the 'area' the 'snail', (aerial view) and NOT at the 'wasteland' much nearer to the OC?

I think the timing of this 'dig' is incredibly suspect.

Are a certain group of people trying to drown out the latest development in the libel trial?

jeanmonroe wrote:Any one know why they are at, i'm going to call the 'area' the 'snail', (arial view) and NOT at the 'wasteland' much nearer to the OC?

 I doubt anyone knows except them. The papers were probably just speculating that it would be on the wasteground near 5a.

Tangled Web wrote:I think the timing of this 'dig' is incredibly suspect.

Are a certain group of people trying to drown out the latest development in the libel trial?

And Halligen programme?

jeanmonroe wrote:

Tangled Web wrote:I think the timing of this 'dig' is incredibly suspect.

Are a certain group of people trying to drown out the latest development in the libel trial?

And Halligen programme?

Indeed.

Following a family holiday (where, incidentally, we managed to return with all three of our children) and returning to these developments, I'm starting to think that the wheels may be slowly coming off   

Have you got a link to that pic? I missed that. Thanks Casey.

Police 'setting up' at the 'snail'

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NOT at 'wasteland' nearer OC.

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Casey5 wrote:

kevmack wrote:
And notably, they haven't been seen to be running any charity marathons, I think the last time I saw FP was with Kate at the book banning trial, but then again that was in her interest due to the allegations about her husband.

The Paynes were among the annual  gathering - very small turnout- for the 3rd May prayer meeting in Rothley village square this year. Where Kate turned out in jeans and trainers. There's a photo of them in the small crowd. So they're still around, David must live in terror of being asked certain questions in public.  

I don't recall seeing the Paynes there either Cass, I've had a quick search, but am not finding anything, so would be grateful if you could get a link thanks  

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Cristobell wrote:Well it certainly seems there are no smellymen, burglars or bedhoppers being lined up for interview - SY are in PDL to look for a body.  

It has got to be obvious now to the whole world and its dog, that there was no abductor, and far from ignoring the alerts Eddie and Keela, both police forces are following their findings.  I'm pretty sure the McCanns do not want these digs in PDL, they have not acknowledged them on their OFM fb page, there are no calls for prayer and they are definitely not flying out there.  In fact the most recent items on their FB page relate to age progression pictures and the officially ruled out Tannerman.  

None of the above is conducive to a whitewash, and I wonder if those who think this is an elaborate cover up have changed their minds?

I don't think it precludes a whitewash and, as far as I can see, the only thing that it isn't conducive to is finding an alive Madeleine. However, I have long believed that what is being covered up is not Madeleine's death but something else that the establishment does not want known and that the McCanns have merely been collateral beneficiaries. If I am correct in my beliefs, then it is perfectly possible for the McCanns to be wrongly convicted of Madeleine's murder (*) while the cover-up/whitewash of the big secret is maintained.

Having said that, and to address your query,  I have to admit my beliefs are not as strongly held as they used to be.

* I know that there are members here who believe that Madeleine was killed by Kate in a fit of rage and I agree that it is a plausible theory but I don't subscribe to it.

Hi Andy,   

I think Madeleine's disappearance and the industry that arose out of it, was the result of a perfect storm, much of it arising out of the political climate at that time.  Labour were promoting the idea of ID cards, in fact they were subtly planting the idea we should all volunteer our DNA and right arms for microchipping. They had the formidable presence of Jim Gamble and his task force policing the internet, tracking down 'perverts' to name, shame and manipulate forever more.  

But?  How to increase the Government's  powers to spy on the people?  How to get the plebs to form a queue to get their new born babies branded?  The best way in which to steer (the herd) the public, is through the use of fear.  Madeleine, an innocent child, was left sleeping safely (???) in her bed, when a predator struck.  The neglect should be completely ignored, most British parents go out to bars and leave their toddlers unattended, the focus should be on the swarthy stranger who broke into the McCanns' apartment and stole a child.  The public responded en masse, 90% of the public said 'I do that', 'we do that', when we go to foreign countries, we regularly leave our young and vulnerable toddlers alone in strange holiday apartments - they like to play climb and tumble games in the dark on furniture they are not familiar with.  In any event, we use the childrens' plight to get the same table every night and prompt service.  If anything happened it would clearly be the restaurant's fault for holding us up with starters and main courses, as they were fully aware our children were on their own and reliant on our regular checks!  I made the last bit up of course, because I have yet to meet a parent (or grandparent) who do such a thing and are outraged at the suggestion that they would.  

The usefulness of the Missing Madeleine case, was incalculable on many levels, but only as long as it remained stranger abduction.  If the myth exploded there would be horrendous repercussions (all the way to the top) - the government had no option but to whitewash the McCanns, and gawd 'elp 'em, they have needed gallons of paint - I doubt anyone, even inbedded moles, would dare challenge the power of Gerry, who has of course many times, let his megalomania slip.  The powers that be, may well have bought into Gerry's wider agenda, and I'm sure Gerry never slept a wink, dreaming up ways in which to capitalise on Madeleine's disappearance.  I have no doubt it included some sort of public office for himself and his wife. 

In 2007 Serious questions were being asked about Operation Ore and its findings, and the masses were not crying out for an increase in police powers to spy on and arrest suspected paedophiles.  There were no big headlines proclaiming children rescued or lives saved, just the sad spectacle of a few solitary men being dragged from their homes with jackets over their heads being taken away for execution.  And it may as well have been execution, their lives were over - and the majority of them were completely innocent.  Even those who support Operation Ore, would have to admit, the ends did not justify the means. There was no justification to set up a separate police quango.   The, at best, limp, results of Operation Ore did not uncover paedophile gangs or internet predators.  Without tangible evidence of children disappearing (or being found), it was hard to justify investing millions in chasing internet monsters, with no evidence of their existence.  

The disappearance of a cherubic, British child with, lets say, malleable parents, was manna from heaven.   Every parent hugged their kids a little bit closer the morning the news of Madeleine's disappearance broke.  If it could happen to such decent, caring, middle class parents, it could happen to anyone!  Those wishing to sell the idea that there was a paedophile lurking on every corner were among the first to jump aboard the Madeleine Express to PDL, so they could be among the first to say 'told you so'.  Missing Madeleine was tangible evidence that there are people out there intent on stealing our children, especially those of White Anglo-Saxon Protestant stock.  The Portuguese were picking on the McCanns because they were British doncha know, not because all the evidence pointed towards them.  For their own reasons, the powers that be wanted to sell the idea that child abduction is very real and a threat to children everywhere.  Parents (even responsible ones, like the McCanns) cannot keep their children safe, they need the strong arm of the Law watching over everyone - especially the internet, which of course had nothing whatsoever to do with Madeleine's disappearance.


In charity fundraising terms, Madeleine McCann was a best seller, an appealing cherub in her party frock, not a surly teenager in hoodie.  Sadly, everything even (or especially) charities, have succumbed to commercialisation and well meaning people are deliberately misled.  Whilst the parents of other missing children submit pictures of their children as they are in real life, 'warts and all', the McCanns opted for 'little Miss Pears' image over reality, as did the missing organisations and every other chancer who could see the cash piling up.   

The powers that be promoted the outdated baby picture of Madeleine, because it was appealing, not because it would have any benefit to a real search, it looked nothing like the almost 4 year old Madeleine, but because it had iconic appeal.  What better way to justify a crackdown on those who would harm our children, than using the face of an angelic little girl to tug at our heartstrings, prey on our fears and stir up rabble rousing hatred towards society's outcasts? Effectively, poor little Madeleine, became the poster girl for a section of the police who wanted to become independent with independent powers, answerable only to who?  

At some stage, I am guessing within hours of any official meeting the parents, the 'powers that be'must have known it was a fake abduction.  All those child abduction experts were completely stupid or they were complicit, not in the disappearance, but most certainly in the cover up.  A Prime Minister is surrounded by advisors and the cream of the secret services, it would be unbelievable for the powers that be to claim now, that they were completely taken in by the abduction story, even after the renowned sniffer dogs alerted in the parents' apartment.   
 
CEOP, most particularly the creepy Jim Gamble, took up the abduction cause with gusto in May 2007 and has been an ardent fan of the parents ever since. Quite what child exploitation and online protection had to do with Madeleine's disappearance is anybody's guess.  Whatever, CEOP put their full resources at the disposal of the McCanns, and even after the Portuguese police had declared the  parents suspects in the disappearance of their daughter, JG sat on the morning TV sofas, alongside Kate and Gerry and unequivocally stated Madeleine had been abducted.  Quite how his policing and detective skills will be judged after all of this remains to be seen.  What is inarguable, is that the McCanns had the full support of the Government funded CEOP whilst a fellow member European State had declared them arguidos.  

The McCanns were ready, willing and able to perform the part of bereft parents for the cameras, instilling fear into parents and children everywhere, whilst also getting in plugs for their own distress relief Fund.  The picture of the tragic toddler has been dragged out again and again to remind the public, on behalf of the missing people and children's charities, that children are regularly stolen from the beds of even the most responsible parents.  The fact that they have
used the same missing toddler for 7 years proves the opposite, seems to have gone over their heads.  

If the truth of this case had been exposed at the time - September 2007, there would have been many red faces, from those at the bottom with good intentions, to those at the very heart of government.  Someone made the decision to treat the case as stranger abduction in the face of all the evidence to the contrary.  Someone authorised CEOP (or Jim took it upon himself) to give the McCanns their full support (in spite of the PJ's findings)and someone pressurised the Portuguese to remove Goncalo Amaral from the investigation.  These are facts that cannot be incorporated into an 'isolate the McCanns' scenario.  I believe there is a real rift between the McCanns and the police, one that they are keeping very closely under wraps.  They are not buoyed by this dig, if anything they are keeping a very low profile and still promoting the myth that Madeleine is alive on the OFM page.  Once the rift is revealed, we will have to see which way the dominoes tumble.   

 Either, wherever the buck stopped felt confident enough that they would still be in office the following year and could see the investigation through to fruition, or, they panicked and shelved it in the hope it would go away as the abduction story would not stand up to close scrutiny.  I lean towards, they bottled it, and filed it away, where it lay undisturbed until a new government had taken over, and imo, new facts had come to light.

They had the formidable presence of Jim Gamble and his task force policing the internet, tracking down 'perverts' to name, shame and manipulate forever more.
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He didn't 'name or shame' the 'perverts' Jimmy Savile and Stuart Hall though, did he?

Hmmm, i wonder WHY not?

After all 'everyone KNEW' about 'them' at the BBC, didn't they?

INCLUDING Childline 'founder' ER!

BUT both Gamble at CEOP, and ER and her cronies at the BBC, all kept 'schtum' didn't they?

And numerous innocent children were ABUSED/EXPLOITED, because of that!

ive not had chance to get any news reports , but has anyone seen brunty on any news ?

cass7 wrote:ive not had chance to get any news reports , but has anyone seen brunty on any news ?

No, too many 'faux pas' from him, in the past!