Re: "Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

by Doug D 08.05.14 10:24

Clocker:

There were three versions of The Guardian story on the day, plus a correction, the important bits of which you can find below:

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If you wanted to see the articles, McCannfiles copied and pasted them to their site, but the Guardian whooshed the reports as fast as they could change them.

by Clocker 08.05.14 10:31

ChippyM wrote:
Clocker wrote:

Going back to AR stating that MM may not have left the apartment alive, could anyone point me in the direction of where I might find the original of this statement please? I don't doubt it but I've never heard it or read about it in the media and would like to out of curiosity. Many thanks in advance.

Clocker, it was in the Guardian but it was only in the article for a day before it was 'wooshed'. Members copied and pasted the article here on another thread I think, I'm not sure if you could get a cached version off the web.

ETA. I found this retraction in the guardian that repeats what he said, which contradicts it being a correction or retraction really!

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"• An article about police investigations into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in Portugal in 2007 ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], 20 March, page 3) said Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood had said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive when she left the apartment "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case. To clarify: those quoted words actually came after Redwood had referred to the assumption that Madeleine had been abducted. However, Redwood did say during the same press conference that police were considering the possibility that Madeleine was not alive when taken from the apartment as well as the possibility that she was."

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Thank you ChippyM, always good to see it for oneself :) but even though it's been corrected it still means the same. I can move on now, it was niggling me. Thank you.

by Clocker 08.05.14 10:35

Doug D wrote:Clocker:

There were three versions of The Guardian story on the day, plus a correction, the important bits of which you can find below:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - 234789

If you wanted to see the articles, McCannfiles copied and pasted them to their site, but the Guardian whooshed the reports as fast as they could change them.

Thank you very much Doug D and Dantezebu. Curiosity solved. :)

by Bishop Brennan 08.05.14 10:46

Mirage wrote:
I am sure their behaviour will form the basis of psychological studies into the far distant future. I have never encountered anything approaching this level of narcissism in all my many years on this planet.

Actually (in unrelated news) I would say that Oscar Pistorius is currently giving them a very good run for their money in the Narcissist of the Year competition.

by canada12 08.05.14 10:47

PeterMac wrote:How many, turning up for a formal occasion, in front of the War Memorial, would not brush their hair, wear clean trousers and slightly more formal shoes

Last minute, reluctant participants, perhaps...?

by ChippyM 08.05.14 10:48

Clocker wrote:

Thank you ChippyM, always good to see it for oneself :) but even though it's been corrected it still means the same. I can move on now, it was niggling me. Thank you.

No problemo! ....the question still remains though, why was it retracted? Did Andy say too much or did he plan to have a little leak (sounds disgusting and slightly off topic big grin

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by HelenMeg 08.05.14 10:52

canada12 wrote:
PeterMac wrote:How many, turning up for a formal occasion, in front of the War Memorial, would not brush their hair, wear clean trousers and slightly more formal shoes

Last minute, reluctant participants, perhaps...?

My thoughts on this were that from Kate's perspective, she knew there would not be a good attendance and that it was very low key. If she had dressed up smartly then she would have looked silly (with so little support and attendance) - so she decided that she would look casual and not bothered and is if she knew it would only be a small affair.. well, that is my take on it.

by Mirage 08.05.14 10:58

Bishop Brennan wrote:
Mirage wrote:
I am sure their behaviour will form the basis of psychological studies into the far distant future. I have never encountered anything approaching this level of narcissism in all my many years on this planet.

Actually (in unrelated news) I would say that Oscar Pistorius is currently giving them a very good run for their money in the Narcissist of the Year competition.

Oh you guessed my guilty little secret, BB. Gerrie Nel. I love him.......
'How can you say that Mr Pistorius? It makes no sense. It is improbable.'

These words are directly applicable to our own home-grown fairy story, don't you think?

' I put it to you that your virshun is so improbable. Eet deedn't hippen. Am I right?'

by Clocker 08.05.14 11:02

ChippyM wrote:
Clocker wrote:

Thank you ChippyM, always good to see it for oneself :) but even though it's been corrected it still means the same. I can move on now, it was niggling me. Thank you.

No problemo! ....the question still remains though, why was it retracted? Did Andy say too much or did he plan to have a little leak (sounds disgusting and slightly off topic )

I didn't read it as being retracted, just changed to state that he said it AFTER the possibility of abduction and not before. So I think I'm meant to believe that there is a possibility there was an abductor but he/she abducted a child that was no longer alive. I don't know which would be worse. My opinion of it of course.

by stillsloppingout 08.05.14 11:20

AndyB wrote:
jozi wrote:I think or hope ( fingers crossed ) they are on the right track and are beginning to suspect the Mcs but cannot let on !!! They are even bringing sniffer dogs in who are better .........So they do recognize the dogs.
I wouldn't surprise me if the "better" sniffer dogs don't alert in 5a thereby negating Eddie & Keela's alerts

There is no such thing as BETTER SNIFFER DOGS . It is a subtle ploy to discredit Eddie and Keeler's findings .

BTW a normal dog can detect scent for up to seven years . so it is possible if the hire car is still knocking about . it may still be able to detect those rotting nappies etc.....

by jozi 08.05.14 11:20

Bishop Brennan wrote:
Mirage wrote:
I am sure their behaviour will form the basis of psychological studies into the far distant future. I have never encountered anything approaching this level of narcissism in all my many years on this planet.

Actually (in unrelated news) I would say that Oscar Pistorius is currently giving them a very good run for their money in the Narcissist of the Year competition.

I certainly agree with you there BB . yes

by whatliesbehindthesofa 08.05.14 11:20

canada12 wrote:
PeterMac wrote:How many, turning up for a formal occasion, in front of the War Memorial, would not brush their hair, wear clean trousers and slightly more formal shoes

Last minute, reluctant participants, perhaps...?

In my opinion it is because they know the game is up and there's very little point in putting any effort in now. This gathering was just a token effort to keep up appearances for a little while longer.

by stillsloppingout 08.05.14 11:29

Bishop Brennan wrote:
Mirage wrote:
I am sure their behaviour will form the basis of psychological studies into the far distant future. I have never encountered anything approaching this level of narcissism in all my many years on this planet.

Actually (in unrelated news) I would say that Oscar Pistorius is currently giving them a very good run for their money in the Narcissist of the Year competition.

Pistorius ......... He hasn't got a leg to stand on !!!.

Allegedly Her ex tweeted her ,on valentines day [ he was a rugby player i think ] she replied, he went literally ballistic .

by ChippyM 08.05.14 11:32

stillsloppingout wrote:
AndyB wrote:
jozi wrote:I think or hope ( fingers crossed ) they are on the right track and are beginning to suspect the Mcs but cannot let on !!! They are even bringing sniffer dogs in who are better .........So they do recognize the dogs.
I wouldn't surprise me if the "better" sniffer dogs don't alert in 5a thereby negating Eddie & Keela's alerts
There is no such thing as BETTER SNIFFER DOGS . It is a subtle ploy to discredit Eddie and Keeler's findings .

BTW a normal dog can detect scent for up to seven years . so it is possible if the hire car is still knocking about . it may still be able to detect those rotting nappies etc.....

It could be an attempt to reinforce Eddie and Keela's alerts. If there were some dogs that had an absolutely 100% record and they alerted in the same places too, then the people implicated would find it hard to discredit.

by 1soapy 08.05.14 11:34

Is there a video or still that is good enough quality to zoom in on any of the notes KM is holding? I'm sure something can be gleamed from it. The words, the style (is it CM?)? Such public viewings have got people into trouble, even sacked in the past. Not that anyone would like to do that of course. Just asking.[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

P.S. Sorry if off task or if it's been asked before.

by **tigger** 08.05.14 11:45

In view of the recent and possibly future activity in Portugal:

copied from McCannfiles.com

By Dr Martin Roberts
18 February 2013

ARE WE BEING DOUBLE-HELIXED?

Last Summer Metropolitan Police Commissioner Bernard Hogan-Howe commented publicly upon the status of Scotland Yard's costly, on-going review of the original Madeleine McCann investigation thus: "There will be a point at which we and the Government will want to make a decision about what the likely outcome is."

Not, you will notice, what the likely outcome might be, but what it is. And what it is will, ipso facto, wear a political complexion, otherwise the Government need not, indeed should not, be involved in the decision making process at all.

In this context, recent reports of DNA being sent from New Zealand in order simply to verify that the donor is not Madeleine McCann might be interpreted as reflecting, if not a hint of desperation, a long-term strategy; the same strategy in fact that would be embodied in the Portuguese being encouraged to pursue the 190 odd 'lines of inquiry' so far thrown up by the review.

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by ChippyM 08.05.14 11:48

1soapy wrote:Is there a video or still that is good enough quality to zoom in on any of the notes KM is holding? I'm sure something can be gleamed from it. The words, the style (is it CM?)? Such public viewings have got people into trouble, even sacked in the past. Not that anyone would like to do that of course. Just asking.[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

P.S. Sorry if off task or if it's been asked before.

Hello 1soapy, it looks like there are only a couple of photos from that day. One of Kate (papers out of focus) and one of her standing next to Gerry. No wider shots of the 'friends and relatives' that reportedly turned up. Why it's almost as if no-one turned up at all!

by AndyB 08.05.14 12:09

stillsloppingout wrote:
AndyB wrote:
jozi wrote:I think or hope ( fingers crossed ) they are on the right track and are beginning to suspect the Mcs but cannot let on !!! They are even bringing sniffer dogs in who are better .........So they do recognize the dogs.
I wouldn't surprise me if the "better" sniffer dogs don't alert in 5a thereby negating Eddie & Keela's alerts
There is no such thing as BETTER SNIFFER DOGS . It is a subtle ploy to discredit Eddie and Keeler's findings .

That was precisely my point and why I put "better" in quotes :-)

by Dutchgirl 08.05.14 12:18

Bishop Brennan wrote:
Mirage wrote:
I am sure their behaviour will form the basis of psychological studies into the far distant future. I have never encountered anything approaching this level of narcissism in all my many years on this planet.

Actually (in unrelated news) I would say that Oscar Pistorius is currently giving them a very good run for their money in the Narcissist of the Year competition.

Very well said! thumbsup

by whatliesbehindthesofa 08.05.14 12:37

'Better' sniffer dogs:

'Better' than Eddie and Keela can only mean that these dogs have a more impressive track record - not that Eddie and Keela's records weren't impressive.

That means these are some seriously good dogs.

If Redwood wants to discredit the findings of Eddie and Keela, then these new dogs need to do a like-for-like search. Except, how can any search be like-for-like when 7 years have passed?

And most importantly, and let's never forget this - DOGS DO NOT LIE. No matter how many bones you give them, or promises that you whisper in their ears, if they scent cadaverine they will alert.

If Redwood does a like-for-like search in an attempt to negate Eddie and Keela's findings, what is stopping these dogs from coming to the same conclusion?

Okay - here is my theory. Redwood is going to do a like-for-like search, but the areas to be searched are not the areas where Eddie and Keela alerted. They will be other places in which Eddie and Keela found nothing. He is not trying to contradict the earlier positive results, he is trying to get a different answer than previously negative results.

With that in mind, I'm off to find out exactly where Eddie and Keela searched .

by sofieellis 08.05.14 12:51

On Sky News, Sir Bernard Hogan Howe has just referred to Kate and Gerry as "Maddie's parents" - he obviously isn't paying much attention to them! "There are always going to be complications when you've got one police force in one country working with the police force of another. We've both got to be sensitive to those things. The critical thing is, as Maddie's parents have said and we all support, they need to have some closure on this, they need to know what's happened to their daughter."

Martin Brunt says Andy Redwood and co want to interview 8 witnesses. He mentioned the suspects, whose homes they have been denied the right to search. Detectives may go on to look at some of the sites which are to be searched. He says the detectives were filmed having breakfast in a cafe this morning, which caused a media melee and Brunt described this as a PR disaster! They are now believed to be talking to Portuguese detectives. "This is certainly the start of a new and dynamic phase in the Madeleine McCann investigation, so for the first time we are seeing Scotland Yard Detectives on the ground in Portugal, ready to join their colleagues here in the search for tangible evidence of Madeleine McCann. Quite when that's going to start, it's not clear."

by Rasputin 08.05.14 12:55

Mirage wrote:
Bishop Brennan wrote:
Mirage wrote:
I am sure their behaviour will form the basis of psychological studies into the far distant future. I have never encountered anything approaching this level of narcissism in all my many years on this planet.

Actually (in unrelated news) I would say that Oscar Pistorius is currently giving them a very good run for their money in the Narcissist of the Year competition.

Oh you guessed my guilty little secret, BB. Gerrie Nel. I love him.......
'How can you say that Mr Pistorius? It makes no sense. It is improbable.'

These words are directly applicable to our own home-grown fairy story, don't you think?

' I put it to you that your virshun is so improbable. Eet deedn't hippen. Am I right?'

" Yes my ladydee " ;-)

by **PeterMac** 08.05.14 12:57

Brunt is beginning to gibber.
He clearly has not been briefed about what is actually happening, or is going to happen and is making it up as he goes along.

by tiny 08.05.14 13:01

PeterMac wrote:Brunt is beginning to gibber.
He clearly has not been briefed about what is actually happening, or is going to happen and is making it up as he goes along.

Brunt is a poor excuse for a crime reporter

by **PeterMac** 08.05.14 13:03

What would the English authorities do if the PJ demanded to search Rothley Towers, and seize any items they deemed of interest to the investigation, - like the urn on the mantlepiece !
I cannot imagine the McCanns would stand idly by.
More likely they would hire the best and most expensive lawyers to prevent it.

by Guest 08.05.14 13:06

I don't think I've seen martin brunt look so uncertain about what he is saying.
IMO something major is about to happen and that is why the warning went out to be careful of what is being reported,something has happened in the background or is about to be announced.

by Cristobell 08.05.14 13:12

suzyjohnson wrote:
Issy wrote:
russiandoll wrote:
noddy100 wrote:Didn't Kate say the way she found the room ruled out woke and wandered

How Kate found 5a and its immediate outdoors area ruled that scenario out, in fact she felt that suggestion by police insulted her intelligence. How could a drowsy not yet 4 year old have taken the trouble to close everything behind her as she left? Kate found street-level gate, safety gate at top of steps, patio doors and curtains all closed when she went to check at 10 pm.

Yes, that's what Kate SAID she found. Kate said a lot of things, she contradicted some of them, so how do we know what's true and what isn't?

As someone said the other day what would be interesting to know is exactly why the McCanns wanted people to think that 'woke and wandered' was definitely not a possibility. Could it be because, supposing MM's body had been found, a post mortem would have revealed something inconsistent with 'woke and wandered' such as a head injury or sedation? In the event of an abduction, any such findings could be explain as something the abductor had done?

Kate and Gerry ruling out the possibility that Madeleine had woken up and wandered off, focused the search away from the immediate area. It justified the group staying in the apartment phoning people in the UK instead of searching.

by **PeterMac** 08.05.14 13:16

tiny wrote:
PeterMac wrote:Brunt is beginning to gibber.
He clearly has not been briefed about what is actually happening, or is going to happen and is making it up as he goes along.

Brunt is a poor excuse for a crime reporter

So let us play this again, and again, and again, until everyone understands it..

by ultimaThule 08.05.14 13:22

Brunty gives every appearance of understanding what he was saying back in the day, PeterM, and if he's saying anything different now, it can only be due to selective and/or directive amnesia.

by Mirage 08.05.14 13:26

Rasputin wrote:
Mirage wrote:
Bishop Brennan wrote:
Mirage wrote:
I am sure their behaviour will form the basis of psychological studies into the far distant future. I have never encountered anything approaching this level of narcissism in all my many years on this planet.

Actually (in unrelated news) I would say that Oscar Pistorius is currently giving them a very good run for their money in the Narcissist of the Year competition.

Oh you guessed my guilty little secret, BB. Gerrie Nel. I love him.......
'How can you say that Mr Pistorius? It makes no sense. It is improbable.'

These words are directly applicable to our own home-grown fairy story, don't you think?

' I put it to you that your virshun is so improbable. Eet deedn't hippen. Am I right?'
" Yes my ladydee " ;-)