Re: "Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

by Dutchgirl 08.05.14 8:18

On Sky News - now, Martin Brunt asked by Eamonn - what will be different this time? - Brunty repsonds we will see people on the ground as the dig has been approved - in areas that were flagged up to the PJ over the years. SY feel alot of the excavation that were not done at the time 3 to 4 viable sites - SY team arrived yesterday will meet PJ in Faro this morning - they will plan the next stage. At the moment two sides need to sit down and determine where and when these digs will happen
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by tiny 08.05.14 8:27

Dutchgirl wrote:On Sky News - now, Martin Brunt asked by Eamonn - what will be different this time? - Brunty repsonds we will see people on the ground as the dig has been approved - in areas that were flagged up to the PJ over the years. SY feel alot of the excavation that were not done at the time 3 to 4 viable sites - SY team arrived yesterday will meet PJ in Faro this morning - they will plan the next stage. At the moment two sides need to sit down and determine where and when these digs will happen
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sounds like its the pj,s fault again mad

by ChippyM 08.05.14 8:40

I realise there's no science to support Kruger and his machine but he pinpointed an interesting spot when searching.

"Under Portuguese law Krugel is forbidden from revealing the exact spot as he has mentioned it in a police statement. But sources close to the investigation told the Sunday Mirror that it is a spot on the beach in Praia da Luz near where Gerry regularly went running."

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Not the hard waste ground around the apartment but a presumably soft sandy spot near the Mc's running route.

by russiandoll 08.05.14 8:41

tiny wrote:
Dutchgirl wrote:On Sky News - now, Martin Brunt asked by Eamonn - what will be different this time? - Brunty repsonds we will see people on the ground as the dig has been approved - in areas that were flagged up to the PJ over the years. SY feel alot of the excavation that were not done at the time 3 to 4 viable sites - SY team arrived yesterday will meet PJ in Faro this morning - they will plan the next stage. At the moment two sides need to sit down and determine where and when these digs will happen
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sounds like its the pj,s fault again

That's coming from Brunt and he could be speculating rather than quoting SY.

Can't recall who said this earlier on, might have been TB...that the public perception being shaped by the media is that the abductor killed Maddie and buried her.

People who are not familiar with the timeline might think this, but will have also read the words of Redwood only a few weeks ago :

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, in charge of the hunt for Madeleine, accepted there were differences between these cases and that of Madeleine's disappearance but added that there was a possibility that she had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007.

Redwood said the assumption that Madeleine was abducted "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case.

It seems to me that Redwood has been drip-feeding information to the media and public.

1.    While he does not say that Jane Tanner fabricated a sighting, he has stated clearly that Tannerman was not an abductor.

       thinking along the lines of Goncalo Amaral.

2.   He gives a lot of weight to the sighting at around 10 pm by a family, of a man of a certain description carrying a child bearing a strong resemblance to the description of Madeleine.

      again, thinking like GA.

3. He has stated clearly not that Madeleine was possibly dead, but more importantly possibly dead when she was removed from 5a.

     as did GA.

4. He has stated doubts re the ASSUMPTION that Madeleine was abducted.

     as did GA.

     Redwood has not elaborated on this last statement of his, nor has he done an about-turn, so I fail to see how SY are trying to sell the theory that an ABDUCTOR removed a deceased, not sleeping, little girl and concealed her body.

eta :   possibly at their last visit the areas where a body might be concealed were discussed, the PJ were to follow this up discreetly after SY detectives left, their findings and theories have been discussed via secure communications and now SY are back to accompany them on the follow-up work.
I would imagine that the areas of real significance are elsewhere given that the start of the busy tourist season will get the attention that the police do not want, and will also damage the tourist industry which the country so relies on.

I am thinking that certain things have been done very discreetly during the low season.

by Guest 08.05.14 8:55

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7th of May 2014 - Media Interference

We are dismayed with the way the media has behaved over the last couple of days in relation to our daughter’s case. There is an on-going, already challenging, police investigation taking place and media interference in this way not only makes the work of the police more difficult,

Challenging for the police or the McCanns?

it can potentially damage and destroy the investigation altogether – and hence

"and hence"? Someone's been studying the JonBenet Ramsay case.

the chances of us finding Madeleine and discovering what has happened to her. As Madeleine’s parents, this just compounds our distress.

Us, us, us, we, we, we.

We urge the media to let the police get on with their work and please show some respect and consideration to Madeleine and all our family.

In my opinion, any and all disrespect towards Madeleine, along with any lack of consideration, started with Kate & Gerry themselves.

Thank you.

Gerry and Kate

by ChippyM 08.05.14 8:56

I do think Andy Redwood chose his words extremely carefully when the leaving the apartment not alive and 'not with our thinking', quotes got out. After all if he'd said straight out she's dead and we think died in the apartment it's as good as saying the McCann's are guilty. He would probably have to brief the McCann's on that conclusion too. I think he always said the burglars were just one line of enquiry too.

All the 'digging' and 'refused requests' stuff is nonsense IMO, I think SY have may have been working with the PJ all along and they certainly arrived last night looking well prepared for something. I think the McCann's won't be able to spin anything for a while because the last small bit of info they were briefed with was that SY were going to carry out investigations in Portugal and this is going to be lead by the PJ, I doubt they know anymore.

by jozi 08.05.14 9:11

ChippyM wrote:I do think Andy Redwood chose his words extremely carefully when the leaving the apartment not alive and 'not with our thinking', quotes got out. After all if he'd said straight out she's dead and we think died in the apartment it's as good as saying the McCann's are guilty. He would probably have to brief the McCann's on that conclusion too. I think he always said the burglars were just one line of enquiry too.

All the 'digging' and 'refused requests' stuff is nonsense IMO, I think SY have may have been working with the PJ all along and they certainly arrived last night looking well prepared for something. I think the McCann's won't be able to spin anything for a while because the last small bit of info they were briefed with was that SY were going to carry out investigations in Portugal and this is going to be lead by the PJ, I doubt they know anymore.

I agree with you ChppyM , Andy did say she could have been dead when she left the apartment. Yesterday one of the newspapers said they SY were looking at the possibility that Maddie woke and wondered and fell into a hole and maybe it was not searched properly ? If there was a possibility she was dead in the apartment WHERE does woke and wondered and fell into hole come in to play ???

I think or hope ( fingers crossed ) they are on the right track and are beginning to suspect the Mcs but cannot let on !!! They are even bringing sniffer dogs in who are better .........So they do recognize the dogs.

by AndyB 08.05.14 9:15

jozi wrote:I think or hope ( fingers crossed ) they are on the right track and are beginning to suspect the Mcs but cannot let on !!! They are even bringing sniffer dogs in who are better .........So they do recognize the dogs.

I wouldn't surprise me if the "better" sniffer dogs don't alert in 5a thereby negating Eddie & Keela's alerts

by woodforthetrees 08.05.14 9:16

I believe that the McCanns latest facebook page is a gentle note to the general public that they will be taking a large step back from the media from now on, as it is them who have been feeding the media from day 1. By doing this, if anyone questions why they are not shouting 'abduction' from the rooftops any more, they can simply say "we are not commenting on anything, as we do not wish to harm the investigation".

Either that, or the PJ/SY have had a word in their ear to tell them and Clarence to "stop all the nonsense now as it's got out of hand. You are intelligent enough to know which way this investigation is now heading, so sit tight and let us get on with it".

I also think that the local dig sites are a spin. No police force, would openly advertise where and when they are going to dig, then proceed to do this under the eye of the worlds long range lenses. After all, who is to stop teams of general public going ahead of them and having a look themselves??? Unless of course they want that to happen so they can say "due to press and public intrusion at the dig sites, any chance of finding DNA which is now contaminated, is zero. That was out only lead, case closed".

No, i think that SY are there as they have changed their thinking and are now in agreement with the PJ, quite possibly, the PJ have agreed to bring them along as SY and the PJ have matching theories and potential leads based on their reviews of old evidence.

They are working on something completely different in different locations and the 'local digs' are just a cover in case anything leaks out about digs/digging equipment and to stop any further speculation as to why they are in town.

And Krugal...well, that just goes to show that the local dig sites are of no relevance. What better way for SY to say afterwards "Yeah, we did dig, but found nothing and it turns out, that machine is useless." whilst they work on the real details.....

by tiny 08.05.14 9:17

AndyB wrote:
jozi wrote:I think or hope ( fingers crossed ) they are on the right track and are beginning to suspect the Mcs but cannot let on !!! They are even bringing sniffer dogs in who are better .........So they do recognize the dogs.
I wouldn't surprise me if the "better" sniffer dogs don't alert in 5a thereby negating Eddie & Keela's alerts

That's my thought too

by Guest 08.05.14 9:20

Re the new sniffer dogs, how would any of us even know if the new dogs are actually trained sniffer dogs or not!

by margaret 08.05.14 9:23

Dee Coy wrote:
HelenMeg wrote:
tasprin wrote:Is this it?

juxtapose
2007
The PJ knew all along

When they refused to answer questions it confirmed their belief.
The ridicule from the British media re-inforced their determination.
The political pressure only sufficed to disprove coruption in the PJ.
But most important of all they have one piece of gold, evidence that cannot be reputed.
This visit is to clarify secondary evidence.
Kate was the original loose canon, alas someone else took the mantle, and the beauty is its all on footage
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OMG i remember this back from the early days on 3arguidos!!

You dont suppose this refers to the CANNON camera (their second camera ) and the footage..no, probably not.
So who took over the mantle of being loose cannon?

Could it mean Kate was a very foolish loose cannon when she took footage with her Canon of someone claiming a place on the mantle?

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Unless someone's already mentioned it, that documentary was aired way after juxtapose's post, l would say two or three years later!

by russiandoll 08.05.14 9:25

We need some light relief ....this looks as if it was posted in all seriousness....sadly

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Portuguese media: Met police refused permission to search homes of burglary suspects in investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

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by Liz Eagles 08.05.14 9:29

Notes from a Potting Shedder blog

McHoles

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by Atomic Peanut 08.05.14 9:30

tiny wrote:
AndyB wrote:
jozi wrote:I think or hope ( fingers crossed ) they are on the right track and are beginning to suspect the Mcs but cannot let on !!! They are even bringing sniffer dogs in who are better .........So they do recognize the dogs.
I wouldn't surprise me if the "better" sniffer dogs don't alert in 5a thereby negating Eddie & Keela's alerts
That's my thought too

But it wouldn't negate them because it's 7 years later, the parameters aren't the same. However, a positive alert would corroborate them, and that would be very significant - it would be an even greater indication given that such a long period of time has passed. It's surprising that a second pair of dogs wasn't sent into 5A back in August 2007 as a back-up to Eddie and Keela. Perhaps there was so much confidence in their ability that there was no need.
I recognise concerns here that a negative alert this time might be used to diss the previous alerts. But what matters it what it would mean to the investigating police forces, not the media.
Det Redwood has suggested she may not have been alive on leaving 5A, so the dogs have to start there. There is no sensible alternative to this.

by Guest 08.05.14 9:35

jozi wrote:
ChippyM wrote:I do think Andy Redwood chose his words extremely carefully when the leaving the apartment not alive and 'not with our thinking', quotes got out. After all if he'd said straight out she's dead and we think died in the apartment it's as good as saying the McCann's are guilty. He would probably have to brief the McCann's on that conclusion too. I think he always said the burglars were just one line of enquiry too.

All the 'digging' and 'refused requests' stuff is nonsense IMO, I think SY have may have been working with the PJ all along and they certainly arrived last night looking well prepared for something. I think the McCann's won't be able to spin anything for a while because the last small bit of info they were briefed with was that SY were going to carry out investigations in Portugal and this is going to be lead by the PJ, I doubt they know anymore.

I agree with you ChppyM , Andy did say she could have been dead when she left the apartment. Yesterday one of the newspapers said they SY were looking at the possibility that Maddie woke and wondered and fell into a hole and maybe it was not searched properly ? If there was a possibility she was dead in the apartment WHERE does woke and wondered and fell into hole come in to play ???

I think or hope ( fingers crossed ) they are on the right track and are beginning to suspect the Mcs but cannot let on !!! They are even bringing sniffer dogs in who are better .........So they do recognize the dogs.

It was very strange when the quote from Redwood that the assumption that Madeleline had not been abducted "may not follow with all our thinking" appeared in the Guardian and within a minute the quote was wrongly changed.
This was not ever mentioned in any other news source. It was buried under the hasty CW appeal and Targetman.
When in fact it was the most important quote so far as it directly implicated the MCs.
This confirmed definitely for me that anything in the MSM was being totally controlled by the pink buffoon.
ASAIK this was the last press conference given by AR and he certainly has never withdrawn this comment.

Watching Sky news and Martin Brunt saying in a concerned tone that the PJ were annoyed about the press intrusion and that was causing tensions between the PJ and SY and may jeopardise the investigation is just hysterical. They mean you too Mr Brunt with your wild theories and misinformed speculation. As far as I can see you and SKY are the biggest intrusion. Is that your intention?

by Mirage 08.05.14 9:36

From the OFM message by KH and GM:

"We urge the media to let the police get on with their work and please show some respect and consideration to Madeleine and all our family."
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For someone who once said of their little girl: 'Find the body and prove we killed her,' that about takes the biscuit.

I am sure their behaviour will form the basis of psychological studies into the far distant future. I have never encountered anything approaching this level of narcissism in all my many years on this planet.

by jozi 08.05.14 9:38

tiny wrote:
AndyB wrote:
jozi wrote:I think or hope ( fingers crossed ) they are on the right track and are beginning to suspect the Mcs but cannot let on !!! They are even bringing sniffer dogs in who are better .........See they do recognize the dogs.
I wouldn't surprise me if the "better" sniffer dogs don't alert in 5a thereby negating Eddie & Keela's alerts

That's my thought too

We will just have wait and see and keep fingers crossed.....but WHY mention the dogs in the first place? They had no need to and have never been mentioned since Gerry dismissed them as unreliable !

by Guest 08.05.14 9:46

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Hello Aquila.

I mentioned "Holes" a few pages back. I think anybody who's ever seen it would be thinking the same thing.

Of course in the film a moment of intuition leads to them finally digging in the right place and the curse being broken forever.

by Clocker 08.05.14 10:00

russiandoll wrote:
tiny wrote:
Dutchgirl wrote:On Sky News - now, Martin Brunt asked by Eamonn - what will be different this time? - Brunty repsonds we will see people on the ground as the dig has been approved - in areas that were flagged up to the PJ over the years. SY feel alot of the excavation that were not done at the time 3 to 4 viable sites - SY team arrived yesterday will meet PJ in Faro this morning - they will plan the next stage. At the moment two sides need to sit down and determine where and when these digs will happen
End

sounds like its the pj,s fault again

That's coming from Brunt and he could be speculating rather than quoting SY.

Can't recall who said this earlier on, might have been TB...that the public perception being shaped by the media is that the abductor killed Maddie and buried her.

People who are not familiar with the timeline might think this, but will have also read the words of Redwood only a few weeks ago :

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, in charge of the hunt for Madeleine, accepted there were differences between these cases and that of Madeleine's disappearance but added that there was a possibility that she had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007.

Redwood said the assumption that Madeleine was abducted "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case.

It seems to me that Redwood has been drip-feeding information to the media and public.

1.    While he does not say that Jane Tanner fabricated a sighting, he has stated clearly that Tannerman was not an abductor.

       thinking along the lines of Goncalo Amaral.

2.   He gives a lot of weight to the sighting at around 10 pm by a family, of a man of a certain description carrying a child bearing a strong resemblance to the description of Madeleine.

      again, thinking like GA.

3. He has stated clearly not that Madeleine was possibly dead, but more importantly possibly dead when she was removed from 5a.

     as did GA.

4. He has stated doubts re the ASSUMPTION that Madeleine was abducted.

     as did GA.

     Redwood has not elaborated on this last statement of his, nor has he done an about-turn, so I fail to see how SY are trying to sell the theory that an ABDUCTOR removed a deceased, not sleeping, little girl and concealed her body.

eta :   possibly at their last visit the areas where a body might be concealed were discussed, the PJ were to follow this up discreetly after SY detectives left, their findings and theories have been discussed via secure communications and now SY are back to accompany them on the follow-up work.
I would imagine that the areas of real significance are elsewhere given that the start of the busy tourist season will get the attention that the police do not want, and will also damage the tourist industry which the country so relies on.

I am thinking that certain things have been done very discreetly during the low season.

Excellent post RD, when everything is put together like this I think it reads loud and clear there will be no whitewash.
As for the digging, I'm not sure SY are there for that but if they are, then I'm thinking some dig has already been carried out elsewhere in secret, something evidential has turned up, I've no idea what but it leads them to a need to dig round the OC area for something further. Just my opinion of course.

Going back to AR stating that MM may not have left the apartment alive, could anyone point me in the direction of where I might find the original of this statement please? I don't doubt it but I've never heard it or read about it in the media and would like to out of curiosity. Many thanks in advance.

by whatliesbehindthesofa 08.05.14 10:01

dantezebu wrote:
Watching Sky news and Martin Brunt saying in a concerned tone that the PJ were annoyed about the press intrusion and that was causing tensions between the PJ and SY and may jeopardise the investigation is just hysterical. They mean you too Mr Brunt with your wild theories and misinformed speculation. As far as I can see you and SKY are the biggest intrusion. Is that your intention?

Ha, love this observation :) Nail. On. The. Head.

by Guest 08.05.14 10:06

Clocker wrote:
russiandoll wrote:
tiny wrote:
Dutchgirl wrote:On Sky News - now, Martin Brunt asked by Eamonn - what will be different this time? - Brunty repsonds we will see people on the ground as the dig has been approved - in areas that were flagged up to the PJ over the years. SY feel alot of the excavation that were not done at the time 3 to 4 viable sites - SY team arrived yesterday will meet PJ in Faro this morning - they will plan the next stage. At the moment two sides need to sit down and determine where and when these digs will happen
End

sounds like its the pj,s fault again

That's coming from Brunt and he could be speculating rather than quoting SY.

Can't recall who said this earlier on, might have been TB...that the public perception being shaped by the media is that the abductor killed Maddie and buried her.

People who are not familiar with the timeline might think this, but will have also read the words of Redwood only a few weeks ago :

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, in charge of the hunt for Madeleine, accepted there were differences between these cases and that of Madeleine's disappearance but added that there was a possibility that she had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007.

Redwood said the assumption that Madeleine was abducted "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case.

It seems to me that Redwood has been drip-feeding information to the media and public.

1.    While he does not say that Jane Tanner fabricated a sighting, he has stated clearly that Tannerman was not an abductor.

       thinking along the lines of Goncalo Amaral.

2.   He gives a lot of weight to the sighting at around 10 pm by a family, of a man of a certain description carrying a child bearing a strong resemblance to the description of Madeleine.

      again, thinking like GA.

3. He has stated clearly not that Madeleine was possibly dead, but more importantly possibly dead when she was removed from 5a.

     as did GA.

4. He has stated doubts re the ASSUMPTION that Madeleine was abducted.

     as did GA.

     Redwood has not elaborated on this last statement of his, nor has he done an about-turn, so I fail to see how SY are trying to sell the theory that an ABDUCTOR removed a deceased, not sleeping, little girl and concealed her body.

eta :   possibly at their last visit the areas where a body might be concealed were discussed, the PJ were to follow this up discreetly after SY detectives left, their findings and theories have been discussed via secure communications and now SY are back to accompany them on the follow-up work.
I would imagine that the areas of real significance are elsewhere given that the start of the busy tourist season will get the attention that the police do not want, and will also damage the tourist industry which the country so relies on.

I am thinking that certain things have been done very discreetly during the low season.
  Excellent post RD, when everything is put together like this I think it reads loud and clear there will be no whitewash.
As for the digging, I'm not sure SY are there for that but if they are, then I'm thinking some dig has already been carried out elsewhere in secret, something evidential has turned up, I've no idea what but it leads them to a need to dig round the OC area for something further. Just my opinion of course.

Going back to AR stating that MM may not have left the apartment alive, could anyone point me in the direction of where I might find the original of this statement please? I don't doubt it but I've never heard it or read about it in the media and would like to out of curiosity. Many thanks in advance.

This is AR's actual quote taken from a transcript of the press conference:

"One assertion is that when she left apartment G5a, she was alive. That is only one way which she could have left the apartment. Of course we hope beyond hope that that is the case - and in fact within that, sits the possibility she is still alive, that we just cannot prove is not the case. But on the other side of it, there is always the potential that she didn't leave the apartment alive and what is important for us to do in consider all the options."

ASAIK it has never appeared in it's entirety in the media.

by Guest 08.05.14 10:09

aquila wrote:Notes from a Potting Shedder blog

McHoles

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Looking at the photo on that link, Kate looks ...how shall I put this ...rather more well endowed, maternal even, than she used to.

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I know that some posters don't like comments about the McCanns' looks but, how many other mothers whose child is missing and/or dead would even consider cosmetic surgery?

by ChippyM 08.05.14 10:11

MILLIE wrote:Re the new sniffer dogs, how would any of us even know if the new dogs are actually trained sniffer dogs or not!

From what I've read they are quite expensive for police forces to buy and train but can make them quite a lot of money each year being hired out for various things. There are not that many of these dogs and that's why they are hired out. I would have thought the dogs would have a traceable record. Eddie and Keela had a page on the website of their police force that gave info about them, they also had a number of news stories on their successes.
I suppose if there are dogs and nobody has any idea where they came from or their record that may be suspicious.

by **PeterMac** 08.05.14 10:12

How many, turning up for a formal occasion, in front of the War Memorial, would not brush their hair, wear clean trousers and slightly more formal shoes

by Seek truth 08.05.14 10:13

russiandoll wrote:We need some light relief ....this looks as if it was posted in all seriousness....sadly

Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Portuguese media: Met police refused permission to search homes of burglary suspects in investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

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Lol , what EU Aid???
Or did they have an earthquake or flooding?

It's the British tourists portugal usually gets that will be missed.!
Oh I forgot, most british live there anyway.

Actually Pls get rid of EU Aid, it made portugal worse after getting their hands on it:
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by Guest 08.05.14 10:16

PeterMac wrote:How many, turning up for a formal occasion, in front of the War Memorial, would not brush their hair, wear clean trousers and slightly more formal shoes

You mean showing some respect to Madeleine?

Maybe that's just for us plebs.

by ChippyM 08.05.14 10:18

Clocker wrote:

Going back to AR stating that MM may not have left the apartment alive, could anyone point me in the direction of where I might find the original of this statement please? I don't doubt it but I've never heard it or read about it in the media and would like to out of curiosity. Many thanks in advance.

Clocker, it was in the Guardian but it was only in the article for a day before it was 'wooshed'. Members copied and pasted the article here on another thread I think, I'm not sure if you could get a cached version off the web.

ETA. I found this retraction in the guardian that repeats what he said, which contradicts it being a correction or retraction really!

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"• An article about police investigations into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in Portugal in 2007 ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], 20 March, page 3) said Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood had said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive when she left the apartment "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case. To clarify: those quoted words actually came after Redwood had referred to the assumption that Madeleine had been abducted. However, Redwood did say during the same press conference that police were considering the possibility that Madeleine was not alive when taken from the apartment as well as the possibility that she was."

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by margaret 08.05.14 10:20

Mirage wrote:From the OFM message by KH and GM:

"We urge the media to let the police get on with their work and please show some respect and consideration to Madeleine and all our family."
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For someone who once said of their little girl: 'Find the body and prove we killed her,' that about takes the biscuit.

I am sure their behaviour will form the basis of psychological studies into the far distant future. I have never encountered anything approaching this level of narcissism in all my many years on this planet.

Well said mirage.

Consider this on the 'holes' link regarding the difference between the digs for Ben needham and Madeleine mccann.

"Gerry McCann then told us 'the Met are going back to Portugal very soon... we are going to continue hoping we get a happy outcome...' and the pair were said to be 'buoyed' by the latest development, while Kerry Needham simply said of Ben, 'If they find his bones, my life is finished..."

Thanks for the link Clay and Aquila

by Clocker 08.05.14 10:22

ChippyM wrote:
Clocker wrote:

Going back to AR stating that MM may not have left the apartment alive, could anyone point me in the direction of where I might find the original of this statement please? I don't doubt it but I've never heard it or read about it in the media and would like to out of curiosity. Many thanks in advance.

Clocker, it was in the Guardian but it was only in the article for a day before it was 'wooshed'. Members copied and pasted the article here on another thread I think, I'm not sure if you could get a cached version off the web.

Ah thank you very much ChippyM, no I don't need to find a cached version, once I saw the word whooshed it was enough for me lol I should have known!

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