Breaking Sky news - Brit police to go to portugal next week to help portuguese with investigations

by Sceptic 23.04.14 11:46

Just been on now

by Guest 23.04.14 11:49

Sceptic wrote:Just been on now

Was mentioned earlier on another thread Sceptic.

All a load of bollox as per.

by Sceptic 23.04.14 11:50

sorry did not realise

by Guest 23.04.14 11:55

Sceptic wrote:sorry did not realise

No need to apologise.

Probably deserves a new thread so can keep updated with all the absolute tosh that will be coming from the MSM.

Expect lots more over the next 2 weeks.

by russiandoll 23.04.14 12:00

Not just from the media, the update is on the Met web site.

by margaret 23.04.14 12:03

Andrew77R wrote:
Sceptic wrote:Just been on now
Was mentioned earlier on another thread Sceptic.

All a load of bollox as per.

What's bollux? If the met are helping Portugal with their enquiries, well we know where Portugals investigation pointed.

I'll stay hopeful until the met show their results.

by whatliesbehindthesofa 23.04.14 12:06

I was certain an announcement like this was coming after Mitchell's latest bit of spin this weekend.

And my opinion is that this announcement deserves its own thread, no need to merge threads.

ETA - just noticed the 'Operation Grange Update' thread. Perhaps we should use that one, but its title needs to elaborate further.

by Guest 23.04.14 12:07

russiandoll wrote:Not just from the media, the update is on the Met web site.

Blimey - didn't realise it was on the Met web site.

Hopefully a smokescreen then while they start investigating and arresting people a lot closer to home!!!

by Guest 23.04.14 12:09

margaret wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:
Sceptic wrote:Just been on now
Was mentioned earlier on another thread Sceptic.

All a load of bollox as per.

What's bollux? If the met are helping Portugal with their enquiries, well we know where Portugals investigation pointed.

I'll stay hopeful until the met show their results.

Will try and share your optimism Margaret.

Really want to.

by **Tony Bennett** 23.04.14 12:11

margaret wrote:
What's bollux? If the met are helping Portugal with their enquiries, well we know where Portugals investigation pointed.

I'll stay hopeful until the Met show their results.

maragaret, Good morning. I am sorry to say this, but your optimism about Operation Grange reminded me of Oscar Wilde's observation on marriage:

"Marriage is the triumph of imagination over intelligence. Second marriage is the triumph of hope over experience.”

I don't see even a smidgeon of actual evidence for your hope - but a mountain of evidence the other way...

by margaret 23.04.14 12:14

Andrew77R wrote:
margaret wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:
Sceptic wrote:Just been on now
Was mentioned earlier on another thread Sceptic.

All a load of bollox as per.

What's bollux? If the met are helping Portugal with their enquiries, well we know where Portugals investigation pointed.

I'll stay hopeful until the met show their results.
Will try and share your optimism Margaret.

Really want to.

I know what you mean. sad

Interesting though that it's coming out as 3rd may approaches.

by margaret 23.04.14 12:16

Tony Bennett wrote:
margaret wrote:
What's bollux? If the met are helping Portugal with their enquiries, well we know where Portugals investigation pointed.

I'll stay hopeful until the Met show their results.
maragaret, Good morning. I am sorry to say this, but your optimism about Operation Grange reminded me of Oscar Wilde's observation on marriage:

"Marriage is the triumph of imagination over intelligence. Second marriage is the triumph of hope over experience.”

I don't see even a smidgeon of actual evidence for your hope - but a mountain of evidence the other way...

I know what you mean but l can't see SY wasting millions of £s and coming up with a whitewash. The cadaver alerts, the lack of maddies DNA or one credible lead won't go away.

As l said l remain hopeful until the end.

by whatliesbehindthesofa 23.04.14 12:19

margaret wrote:
I know what you mean but l can't see SY wasting millions of £s and coming up with a whitewash. The cadaver alerts, the lack of maddies DNA or one credible lead won't go away.

As l said l remain hopeful until the end.

I agree with you margaret, however much some people would like to cast aspersions on our 'intelligence' or 'experience'.

by russiandoll 23.04.14 12:20

Sky ticker saying that there were 5 cases of sexual assault around the time Madeleine went missing.

by Guest 23.04.14 12:26

Why have Sky news got this picture on the breaking news article....

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Police are still keen to trace a man seen near Madeleine's appartment

by SixMillionQuid 23.04.14 12:28

margaret wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
margaret wrote:
What's bollux? If the met are helping Portugal with their enquiries, well we know where Portugals investigation pointed.

I'll stay hopeful until the Met show their results.
maragaret, Good morning. I am sorry to say this, but your optimism about Operation Grange reminded me of Oscar Wilde's observation on marriage:

"Marriage is the triumph of imagination over intelligence. Second marriage is the triumph of hope over experience.”

I don't see even a smidgeon of actual evidence for your hope - but a mountain of evidence the other way...

I know what you mean but l can't see SY wasting millions of £s and coming up with a whitewash. The cadaver alerts, the lack of maddies DNA or one credible lead won't go away.

As l said l remain hopeful until the end.

I'm curious to know what some people are expecting from this latest trip. Arrests?

If you don't believe public money is being flushed down to loo to purely to protect some people's image then by rights you must be expecting arrests to take place as a result of this visit carefully timed ahead of the 3rd May.

by SixMillionQuid 23.04.14 12:30

Andrew77R wrote:Why have Sky news got this picture on the breaking news article....

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Police are still keen to trace a man seen near Madeleine's appartment

So the McCann's won that battle with SY?

The guy that was traced by Operation Grange as the man above, is not him? So we have two look alikes both carrying children wearing the same clothes walking around the McCann's apartment? And this excludes Smithman. Really?

by **Tony Bennett** 23.04.14 12:54

margaret wrote:
I know what you mean but l can't see SY wasting millions of £s and coming up with a whitewash.

* Operation Countryman

* Brinks Mat cover-up

* Operation Jackpot (corruption at Stoke Newington Police Station)

* Murder of Jean Charles de Menezes 21.7.2005

* Cover-up of 2002 Operation Tiberius internal reprot on widespread corruption in the Met (stories in the Independent this year, see separae thread on this forum)

* Five corrupt reviews spanning nearly 3 decades into the Daniel Morgan case (murdered in 1987, see also threads on this forum)

* Cover-up of serious corruption at Catford Police Station, south London

* 'Untouchables' pseudo-investigation into corruption in Rigg Approach Flying Squad

* Stephen Lawrence cover-up of corrupt relations between one of the murderer's father (a senior Met officer) and local 'drugs lords'

* John Wilson beating cover-up 1996-2002

We are not talking of millions pf £s spent in high-level Met Police cover-ups here, we are talking tens or even hundreds of millions of pounds of taxpayers' money being poured into senior Met police officers covering up their own incompetence and corruption.

And I've not even mentioned a series of provincial cover-ups, like Hillsborough...

by **Tony Bennett** 23.04.14 13:00

whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
I agree with you margaret, however much some people would like to cast aspersions on our 'intelligence' or 'experience'.

Fascinating comment from you, as always, WLBTS.

It is only belief and hope that sustains those who hope Operation Grange is genuine.

If we speak in terms of actual evidence that it is genuine, what is there? Nothing.

In fact there are shedloads of evidence that it is not genuine.

Unless you, maybe, with the aid of your 'intelligence' and 'experience', can point me to ANY actual EVIDENCE that this is a genuine review.

If you have such actual evidence, I would genuinely be delighted if you could carefully lay out all that actual evidence for us all to see...

by whatliesbehindthesofa 23.04.14 13:00

Tony Bennett wrote:
* Operation Countryman

* Brinks Mat cover-up

* Operation Jackpot (corruption at Stoke Newington Police Station)

* Murder of Jean Charles de Menezes 21.7.2005

* Cover-up of 2002 Operation Tiberius internal reprot on widespread corruption in the Met (stories in the Independent this year, see separae thread on this forum)

* Five corrupt reviews spanning nearly 3 decades into the Daniel Morgan case (murdered in 1987, see also threads on this forum)

* Cover-up of serious corruption at Catford Police Station, south London

* 'Untouchables' pseudo-investigation into corruption in Rigg Approach Flying Squad

* Stephen Lawrence cover-up of corrupt relations between one of the murderer's father (a senior Met officer) and local 'drugs lords'

* John Wilson beating cover-up 1996-2002

We are not talking of millions pf £s spent in high-level Met Police cover-ups here, we are talking tens or even hundreds of millions of pounds of taxpayers' money being poured into senior Met police officers covering up their own incompetence and corruption.

And I've not even mentioned a series of provincial cover-ups, like Hillsborough...

For the sake of balance could we have a list of all the investigations that weren't cover-ups?

by whatliesbehindthesofa 23.04.14 13:05

Tony Bennett wrote:
Fascinating comment from you, as always, WLBTS.

It is only belief and hope that sustains those who hope Operation Grange is genuine.

If we speak in terms of actual evidence that it is genuine, what is there? Nothing.

In fact there are shedloads of evidence that it is not genuine.

Unless you, maybe, with the aid of your 'intelligence' and 'experience', can point me to ANY actual EVIDENCE that this is a genuine review.

If you have such actual evidence, I would genuinely be delighted if you could carefully lay out all that actual evidence for us all to see...

Fascinating bit of passive aggressiveness from you, as always, Tony. Why do you use the word 'fascinating' by the way? The word means that you have a great interest in me and my posts. Why the great interest in me?

It is only belief and hope that sustains those who are certain that Operation Grange is a whitewash.

You've provided no evidence to back up your case. You say 'shedloads', when you really mean 'none'.

'You first', Tony.

Believe it or not, people have different opinions from your good self on many different subjects. If you don't like them, just ignore them. You'll be happier in the long term.

by **Tony Bennett** 23.04.14 13:10

whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
For the sake of balance could we have a list of all the investigations that weren't cover-ups?

It's got nothing to do with 'balance', WLBTS'.

margaret made the point that she simply could not believe that Scotland Yard was capable of wasting millions of £s on a whitewash/cover-up.

I have just, from the top of my head, given a list of 10 Scotland Yard cover-up/whitewash operations, each of which have cost over £1 million and some of which cost tens of millions.

I have comprehensively answered margaret's point with my 10 specific documented examples.

It doesn't really matter, does it, if there is 1, are there are 10 or 100 cases of Scotland Yard doing genuine investigations?

Nothing takes away my point that Scotland Yard has proved fully capable, on many occasions where the powers-that-be need it, of carrying out a total, expensive whitewash, burying uncomfortable truths about the establishment and themselves.

by whatliesbehindthesofa 23.04.14 13:13

Tony Bennett wrote:
It doesn't really matter, does it, if there is 1, are there are 10 or 100 cases of Scotland Yard doing genuine investigations?

Nothing takes away my point that Scotland Yard has proved fully capable, on many occasions where the powers-that-be need it, of carrying out a total, expensive whitewash, burying uncomfortable truths about the establishment and themselves.

All that matters to me is whether Operation Grange is a cover-up or whitewash. If you have evidence that it is, please do let me know.

by **Tony Bennett** 23.04.14 13:14

whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
Fascinating bit of passive aggressiveness from you, as always, Tony. Why do you use the word 'fascinating' by the way? The word means that you have a great interest in me and my posts. Why the great interest in me?

For me to know, and for you to find out.

It is only belief and hope that sustains those who are certain that Operation Grange is a whitewash.

You've provided no evidence to back up your case. You say 'shedloads', when you really mean 'none'.

'You first', Tony.

I refer to every post about Operation Grange that I have made on this forum over the past 3 years - hundreds. That is where you will find evidence that Grange is not genuine. Look those up, then please produce any evidence you can that Grange is a genuine, honest-to-God, no-holds-barred search for truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

by AndyB 23.04.14 13:15

Tony Bennett wrote:Nothing takes away my point that Scotland Yard has proved fully capable, on many occasions where the powers-that-be need it, of carrying out a total, expensive whitewash, burying uncomfortable truths about the establishment and themselves.

Which raises a rather interesting question: If SY are engaged in a cover-up with the Madeleine McCann case, what are the uncomfortable truths about the establishment or themselves that they wish to bury?

by Guest 23.04.14 13:18

There is a £20,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and prosecution of those responsible for Madeleine's disappearance.
Anyone with information can call police on 0207 321 9251 or Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.

Me - "How could i go about claiming the 20k reward on offer for the arrest and prosecution for those responsible"
Policewoman - "What information do you have"
Me - "MBM sadly died in the holiday apartment and the parents and the rest of the tapas group were involved in the disposal of the body"
Policewoman - "What evidence do you have of that"
Me - "All the evidence came from the conclusion of the original Portuguese investigation and all the files are online to read. How can you dismiss the dogs the blood etc, the tapas group discrepancies etc, Have you actually read the files?"
Policewoman - "If there was sufficient evidence then why did the Portuguese police not make arrests then. Do you have any new evidence that you would like to inform us with"
Me - "Political interference, that's why. No, i don't have new evidence but all the previous evidence should be enough to actually investigate the parents and associates and prosecute. Why do the taxpayer have to waste all this money".
Policewoman - "I cant comment but unless you have new information that could lead to the arrest and those responsible for her disappearance then i can't help you".
Me - "Surely even you must think the parents are responsible"
Policewoman - "Im afraid i can't comment on that"
Me - "Be honest, is this a complete farce and everything you are doing is a whitewash"
Policewoman - "I can assure you that everybody here at Operation Grange is working incredibly hard to ensure that those responsible are brought to justice. Now if you don't have any new information then i need to get on with my job"
Me - "Thanks for your time. Will be back in touch with some new evidence a.s.a.p - I know who did it as it's clear as day and so do you. That 20k would come in handy".
Policewoman - "Goodbye"

by whatliesbehindthesofa 23.04.14 13:20

Tony Bennett wrote:
whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:Fascinating bit of passive aggressiveness from you, as always, Tony. Why do you use the word 'fascinating' by the way? The word means that you have a great interest in me and my posts. Why the great interest in me?

For me to know, and for you to find out.

Is this a threat of some kind? What is this supposed to mean? Probably best for me to just ignore this comment I suppose.

Tony Bennett wrote:
I refer to every post about Operation Grange that I have made on this forum over the past 3 years - hundreds. That is where you will find evidence that Grange is not genuine. Look those up, then please produce any evidence you can that Grange is a genuine, honest-to-God, no-holds-barred search for truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

You're referring to your posts where you claim there to be a whitewash. All they demonstrate is that you are certain that Grange is a whitewash. I'm not saying that a whitewash is impossible. But there isn't any proof either way at the moment.

We'll have to wait and see. I've no interest in being right. I want justice to be served. I've no interest in arguing with you over who is right. There's no prize as far as I know.

by Doug D 23.04.14 13:28

Petermac yesterday gave an inkling of hope with his:

'What we believe we do know is that Operation Grange is not leaking anything. Which is remarkable in itself, but seems to be true.
Even those of us with "contacts", friends and ex-colleagues cannot get anywhere near. Which in turn means that everything you are reading is pure Mitchell-speak'.

only for the Met to completely dash it today with this latest nonsensical press release.

by diatribe 23.04.14 13:32

Tony Bennett wrote:
maragaret, Good morning. I am sorry to say this, but your optimism about Operation Grange reminded me of Oscar Wilde's observation on marriage:

Indeed, Anthony, I wonder what Lady Bracknell would have made of it all. titter

by **PeterMac** 23.04.14 13:43

Are YOU a Negligent Parent ?
Do YOU leave your doors and windows open
Do YOU go out drinking and leave your young children alone in their beds
When YOU find a smelly fat man in bed with your young daughter do you let him go
When your daughter has been violated and assaulted do YOU keep quiet about it for 10 years

IF SO

Come to the Algarve.
We need people like you.

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Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".

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Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".

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