CRIMEWATCH Update on MadeleineMcCann case tonight 19th March

donkeydoodah wrote:Yes but in Portugal they would have their own teams to support

Woofer wrote:

donkeydoodah wrote:But if he wasn't English, why would he be wearing an Arsenal shirt?

I`m not too knowledgeable on football fanaticism, but don`t people all over the world support UK football teams ?

CynicAl wrote:

Watching wrote:

tiny wrote:

russiandoll wrote:re     " what Redwood is actually telling us is that he knows that the possibility of Madeleine not being alive before she left the apartment MUST mean that she died BEFORE the McCanns went out for the evening. "


 Yes, if he eventually moves from might have died in the apartment to DIED in the apartment.

 Redwood and co have clearly found some evidence to support the possibility that Maddie  left 5a deceased.

 Perhaps he has taken Gerry's advice and asked the dogs.


 All very sad. but not surprising to hear death as a possibility from the Met. It was an eye-opener to see it in context, however.

 Dead in the apartment, removal of the body.

yea russiandoll,thats the only thing that's in the way.

Doesn't matter if he said 'died in apartment' or 'possibly died in apartment.'  Nothing changes, still it could be him implying, an abductor killed her then removed her.  Unless he comes out and confirms he's linking her death in apartment to findings of dogs - that's when its whole new ball game.  The 'time' of death then comes into play.  But he hasn't!

Redwood could indeed be thinking an abductor killed her then removed her body. But he'd be up against decades of statistics and common sense. Criminals don't typically clean up crime scenes that they don't control... And think of this... 5a was so well cleaned that no DNA evidence existed to prove the girl had even been there. In the 20 minute window of opportunity Stinkyman had he had to get aroused, achieve satisfaction, kill a sleeping child who wasn't screaming the place down, accelerate the development of cadaverine, spread it in a bunch of locations around the apartment, clean from top to bottom, and leave without leaving a trace of either of them, carrying a dead child, his MO having gone from creepy trespasser and conversationalist, to kiddie fiddler with no violent tendencies when confronted sporting such a placid personality that parents said vnow, get on with you you smelly daft thing'instead of beating his brains out, all the way to sexual offender, felonious cleaner, murderer and bodysnatcher, apparently desperate to avoid capture but hazardously addicted to extreme risk of being rumbled. 

No. Redwood knows its bollocks. 

Maybe he's been told to keep a lid on the case, and maybe he's doing an Amaral, shaming the authorities into action, by making the 'official' story more ridiculous by the day. Could he be letting BHH hang himself? How could you get rid of Redwood without him spilling the beans and joining forces with Amaral. No. Redwood is provoking the end game.

Woofer wrote:

donkeydoodah wrote:Yes but in Portugal they would have their own teams to support

One would think so I suppose - perhaps he was British with a fake foreign accent !

Woofer wrote:

canada12 wrote:

PeterMac wrote:I didn't see the programme, because they have moved the satellite !

But, and please correct me if I am wrong.
Has Redwood just repeated what Amaral, Rebelo, the Archiving two, Grime, Leicester and every other professional who has ever looked at this case has said
Namely, to whit, and viz, and for that matter  in terms
That Madeleine died in the apartment. ?

If so, why was Mr Antony Bennett condemned to a term of imprisonment and forced to pay costs of a third of his pension for the rest of his life, for effectively saying the same thing ?

Any ideas Kate, Gerry, Kevin, Adam, Mrs M, Your Honour ?

Worthy of bumping to the top!

Agreed.  I don`t remember Andy saying that on the CW programme or the MET video - if he did can someone give the link. 

It was the Guardian that wrote :- 
"Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood admitted that what they have uncovered means Madeleine might not have left the apartment alive."

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bobby18 wrote:

Woofer wrote:

canada12 wrote:

PeterMac wrote:I didn't see the programme, because they have moved the satellite !

But, and please correct me if I am wrong.
Has Redwood just repeated what Amaral, Rebelo, the Archiving two, Grime, Leicester and every other professional who has ever looked at this case has said
Namely, to whit, and viz, and for that matter  in terms
That Madeleine died in the apartment. ?

If so, why was Mr Antony Bennett condemned to a term of imprisonment and forced to pay costs of a third of his pension for the rest of his life, for effectively saying the same thing ?

Any ideas Kate, Gerry, Kevin, Adam, Mrs M, Your Honour ?

Worthy of bumping to the top!

Agreed.  I don`t remember Andy saying that on the CW programme or the MET video - if he did can someone give the link. 

It was the Guardian that wrote :- 
"Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood admitted that what they have uncovered means Madeleine might not have left the apartment alive."

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As many are saying, any indication from SY that Madeleine died in the apparent has to be seen as a potentially huge step forward to justice. Albeit, tragically still involving the death of a child obviously.

Sorry if I have missed anything glaring by skimming posts, but is it only the Guardian article that is leading to this understanding?

NickE wrote:Google Translate:

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Maddie New suspect in British police have been investigated by the PJ and dead[/size]
British police announced yesterday that they were investigating a new lead in the context of the alleged abduction of Madeleine McCann in 2007, but the suspect has already been investigated (and excluding) the Judicial Police, advances the Daily News. The man died in 2009.


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8:44 - March 20, 2014 | By the Minute News


The new suspect Scotland Yard announced yesterday that they were investigating, under the alleged abduction of Madeleine McCann in 2007, has already been investigated by the Judicial Police and was dead since 2009, advances the Daily News.



Euclid Monteiro, described by witnesses at the time, as a man of tanned skin and short dark hair and disheveled, was born in Cape Verde, he worked at the Ocean Club (resort where Maddie's family was on vacation) and died in 2009 in a tractor accident.
The investigation has even been reopened by PJ based on the discovery of this suspect and English media reporting the track reached the Portuguese authorities.
Advanced information yesterday by the British authorities realize "a potential suspect in 12 crimes that occurred between 2004 and 2010," which "2004-2006 sexually molested five white girls aged between seven and 10 years."
The Cape Verdean deceased was responsible for several assaults and lay on the bed of children, according to the PJ source, but have never realized any violation. All these developments were investigated by the GNR in the first instance, and then passed to PJ, who shared with Scotland Yard.

noddy100 wrote:Yes and dead in the apartment and then moved throws kate's 'small window of opportunity' out of the window (as it were)

donkeydoodah wrote:Yes but in Portugal they would have their own teams to support

donkeydoodah wrote:Regarding the guy allegedly wearing the Arsenal shirt

How did he know they were English families when he entered the apartments/houses? He had a remarkably good strike rate in getting that right

How did he know they had the sort of children he was looking for?

How did he find them in the dark without (eg) going into the parents' room by mistake?

Why are we being fed this nonsense (again)?

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Madeleine McCann vanished while holidaying with her parents in Praia da Luz in 2007 Credit: PA
David Cameron is willing to help the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann if the British inquiry is held up by delays in the Portuguese legal system, the Prime Minister's official spokesman has said.

Speaking after a [url=http://david cameron/]new police appeal[/url] into the four-year-old's 2007 disappearance, following information about a "lone intruder" who abused girls in the Algarve, he said Mr Cameron would be willing "to make further representations to the Portuguese government...if that would be helpful."



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Madeleine McCann vanished while holidaying with her parents in Praia da Luz in 2007 Credit: PA
David Cameron is willing to help the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann if the British inquiry is held up by delays in the Portuguese legal system, the Prime Minister's official spokesman has said.

Speaking after a [url=http://david cameron/]new police appeal[/url] into the four-year-old's 2007 disappearance, following information about a "lone intruder" who abused girls in the Algarve, he said Mr Cameron would be willing "to make further representations to the Portuguese government...if that would be helpful."



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donkeydoodah wrote:
Do you mean 4-5am on May 3 or 4-5am on May 4? The answer to that question could be crucial

dantezebu wrote:Going back to the first Guardian article by the press association which was released at 11:43 GMT and was then whoosed and replaced immediately by the one written by James Meikle also timed as 11.43 GMT.

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There is a significant difference in these two articles in that the first one quite clearly quotes Redwood as stating this:

"While I completely accept that there are differences (between the break-ins and the McCann case), there is no abduction that we can see, but the assumption from that is that Madeleine McCann has been abducted. That may not necessarily follow with all our thinking about what may have become of Madeleine McCann."

ie; that it is the abduction that doesn't follow with "all their thinking",

not that she was not alive.

I have been trying all day to get an answer from the Guardian about this discrepency without success.
IMO the "no evidence of abduction" is much more significant that the "not alive".
Because that puts the MCs firmly in the frame without any need to speculate about how Mr Smelly Bullshi* man managed to do all he did in poco minutes.

Why was this article whooshed? Was Redwood misquoted? Or was it too hot?

Tony Bennett wrote:
2. Order a new enquiry into Madeleine's disappearance with a different remit,

TheTruthWillOut wrote:At this point why don't the Portuguese government hold a press conference and tell the world the UK police/Met/SY are making crap up and bullying them.

I just don't get why they aren't defending themselves...

Tony Bennett wrote:

NickE wrote:Google Translate:

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Maddie New suspect in British police have been investigated by the PJ and dead[/size]
British police announced yesterday that they were investigating a new lead in the context of the alleged abduction of Madeleine McCann in 2007, but the suspect has already been investigated (and excluding) the Judicial Police, advances the Daily News. The man died in 2009.


COUNTRY
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Reuters

8:44 - March 20, 2014 | By the Minute News


The new suspect Scotland Yard announced yesterday that they were investigating, under the alleged abduction of Madeleine McCann in 2007, has already been investigated by the Judicial Police and was dead since 2009, advances the Daily News.



Euclid Monteiro, described by witnesses at the time, as a man of tanned skin and short dark hair and disheveled, was born in Cape Verde, he worked at the Ocean Club (resort where Maddie's family was on vacation) and died in 2009 in a tractor accident.
The investigation has even been reopened by PJ based on the discovery of this suspect and English media reporting the track reached the Portuguese authorities.
Advanced information yesterday by the British authorities realize "a potential suspect in 12 crimes that occurred between 2004 and 2010," which "2004-2006 sexually molested five white girls aged between seven and 10 years."
The Cape Verdean deceased was responsible for several assaults and lay on the bed of children, according to the PJ source, but have never realized any violation. All these developments were investigated by the GNR in the first instance, and then passed to PJ, who shared with Scotland Yard.

If indeed Euclid Monteiro is 'smelly bin man', the same as was featured in the News of the World back in 2009, who has therefore already been identified (and is therefore also 'Tractorman), then surely DCI Andy Redwood has lied to the nation about the disappearance of a missing child and should be sacked forthwith for gross misconduct, prosecuted for perverting the course of justice  - and deprived of his police pension?