Re: Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site

by **Tony Bennett** 23.12.13 19:32

IKNOWWHATHAPPENED wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
IKNOWWHATHAPPENED wrote:Tone, why do you suspect the 4 know what happened to Madeleine ?

Come on, that's not hard to work out.

Between them all and the other McCann investigators, they have been paid an estimated £3 to £4 million (out of money mostly raised by the generous British public).

For all that time and money, they must know something.

DCI Andy Redwood could make a start, if he has not already done so, by interviewing Marcos Aragao Correia (OK, I know, he fled to Brazil) and Antonio Giminez Raso (I know, he was in prison for 4 years) about what they were doing meeting at the Arade Dam on 10 December 2007. They each flew 1,000 miles or more to be at that Dam. Has Redwood asked either of them why?
Tone, are you suggesting the fund is a fraudulent enterprise and has been used to launder money ?

Do you believe Correia and Raso dropped dog bones in the dam ?

Research the Arade Dam saga from beginning (10 Dec 2007) to the end, then come back and tell us all what you make of it

by IKNOWWHATHAPPENED 23.12.13 19:35

Tony Bennett wrote:
IKNOWWHATHAPPENED wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
IKNOWWHATHAPPENED wrote:Tone, why do you suspect the 4 know what happened to Madeleine ?

Come on, that's not hard to work out.

Between them all and the other McCann investigators, they have been paid an estimated £3 to £4 million (out of money mostly raised by the generous British public).

For all that time and money, they must know something.

DCI Andy Redwood could make a start, if he has not already done so, by interviewing Marcos Aragao Correia (OK, I know, he fled to Brazil) and Antonio Giminez Raso (I know, he was in prison for 4 years) about what they were doing meeting at the Arade Dam on 10 December 2007. They each flew 1,000 miles or more to be at that Dam. Has Redwood asked either of them why?
Tone, are you suggesting the fund is a fraudulent enterprise and has been used to launder money ?

Do you believe Correia and Raso dropped dog bones in the dam ?

Research the Arade Dam saga from beginning (10 Dec 2007) to the end, then come back and tell us all what you make of it

Tone, I will research the dam as you suggest. Check your PM.

by Smokeandmirrors 23.12.13 20:16

Until the Tony Rickwood issue cropped up I had no idea at all that there was a fetish surrounding the whole woman struggling for her life/drowning in quicksand. I'm not so naive as to think this is completely rare or that there aren't women who go along with it but frankly I find it chilling.

People have also expressed their concern about the discussion being a witch hunt or vilification of a man who has no known convictions for hurting anybody physically. Fair enough.

In the context of this case EVERYTHING relating to those related to or around that child becomes relevant. If nothing else, for the purposes of elimination and to move forward. But NO investigation can be considered thorough until there is NO STONE UNTURNED - ask the parents!!

TR has posted his images in the public domain, his comments can be seen. Quite honestly by publishing, he has put it there for sharing, reaction, comment.

This material has been commented on, people have shared their views on it. I find it repugnant, others find it titillating. There is no caveat on his images restricting the observer or commentator to making only positive comment. If there is any concern to the publisher (in this case TR) that he may well be scrutinised, criticised or pilloried, which to the best of my knowledge is not illegal, then he should have thought about that before putting his pictures on the world wide web.

If someone, by their own free will, has a fetish and publishes it in the PUBLIC DOMAIN, then people can say about it what they blooming well like. If Mr Rickwood doesn't like what is written here, what people feel about his chosen "art" form or any of his nearest and dearest, that is just tough luck I'm afraid.

The whole McCann Clan have been imploring the public to help, donate funds and search for Madeleine. They have been in the media/public as much as they could for years. The public will engage, as requested, but they won't have the terms of that engagement dictated to them. Quid pro quo.

by Lance De Boils 23.12.13 20:51

by Maria 23.12.13 21:55

IM with Veritas all the way ( im not caught up yet) i fell her sentences are phrased in an easy very understandable manner, possibly another few years in collegeI i could write so good. But i get her/him.
No need at all for this person tp apologise. Havn't sen Bennett do this yet either, but i am sort og newish. But my thoughts are Verbatims. Just love if i could write like him/her

by jamaljr 23.12.13 22:11

Smokeandmirrors wrote:Until the Tony Rickwood issue cropped up I had no idea at all that there was a fetish surrounding the whole woman struggling for her life/drowning in quicksand. I'm not so naive as to think this is completely rare or that there aren't women who go along with it but frankly I find it chilling.

People have also expressed their concern about the discussion being a witch hunt or vilification of a man who has no known convictions for hurting anybody physically. Fair enough.

In the context of this case EVERYTHING relating to those related to or around that child becomes relevant. If nothing else, for the purposes of elimination and to move forward. But NO investigation can be considered thorough until there is NO STONE UNTURNED - ask the parents!!

TR has posted his images in the public domain, his comments can be seen. Quite honestly by publishing, he has put it there for sharing, reaction, comment.

This material has been commented on, people have shared their views on it. I find it repugnant, others find it titillating. There is no caveat on his images restricting the observer or commentator to making only positive comment. If there is any concern to the publisher (in this case TR) that he may well be scrutinised, criticised or pilloried, which to the best of my knowledge is not illegal, then he should have thought about that before putting his pictures on the world wide web.

If someone, by their own free will, has a fetish and publishes it in the PUBLIC DOMAIN, then people can say about it what they blooming well like. If Mr Rickwood doesn't like what is written here, what people feel about his chosen "art" form or any of his nearest and dearest, that is just tough luck I'm afraid.

The whole McCann Clan have been imploring the public to help, donate funds and search for Madeleine. They have been in the media/public as much as they could for years. The public will engage, as requested, but they won't have the terms of that engagement dictated to them. Quid pro quo.

AGREE 100%

by Maria 23.12.13 22:13

I got to page 9 and i must say its a disgrace. Veritace did nout wrong in my eyes, but then again my eyes are very open.
If Veritas is banned then i shall head off too. Never have i seen such articulate openminded theories, which i admire, compared to sone, that if they dont agree with its, it demands to be deleted. Lol.
The more theories the better, especially from a working brain like Veritas
(Still catching up)

by Smokeandmirrors 23.12.13 22:29

Maria wrote:I got to page 9 and i must say its a disgrace. Veritace did nout wrong in my eyes, but then again my eyes are very open.
If Veritas is banned then i shall head off too. Never have i seen such articulate openminded theories, which i admire, compared to sone, that if they dont agree with its, it demands to be deleted. Lol.
The more theories the better, especially from a working brain like Veritas
(Still catching up)

Actually, Veritas made some very pointed insults which were not necessary. I concede that Veritas is no slouch in the intellectual department, and if s/he were to write in such a passionate nature on a different subject matter, would probably be quite an impressive character. However, when one employs their intellectual capacity to fire vitriolic arrows, then they must seek a target beyond the walls of this forum. Even when a thread becomes emotive and robust, one must look to further horizons to see the truth…..

by bobbin 23.12.13 22:36

jamaljr wrote:
Smokeandmirrors wrote:Until the Tony Rickwood issue cropped up I had no idea at all that there was a fetish surrounding the whole woman struggling for her life/drowning in quicksand. I'm not so naive as to think this is completely rare or that there aren't women who go along with it but frankly I find it chilling.

People have also expressed their concern about the discussion being a witch hunt or vilification of a man who has no known convictions for hurting anybody physically. Fair enough.

In the context of this case EVERYTHING relating to those related to or around that child becomes relevant. If nothing else, for the purposes of elimination and to move forward. But NO investigation can be considered thorough until there is NO STONE UNTURNED - ask the parents!!

TR has posted his images in the public domain, his comments can be seen. Quite honestly by publishing, he has put it there for sharing, reaction, comment.

This material has been commented on, people have shared their views on it. I find it repugnant, others find it titillating. There is no caveat on his images restricting the observer or commentator to making only positive comment. If there is any concern to the publisher (in this case TR) that he may well be scrutinised, criticised or pilloried, which to the best of my knowledge is not illegal, then he should have thought about that before putting his pictures on the world wide web.

If someone, by their own free will, has a fetish and publishes it in the PUBLIC DOMAIN, then people can say about it what they blooming well like. If Mr Rickwood doesn't like what is written here, what people feel about his chosen "art" form or any of his nearest and dearest, that is just tough luck I'm afraid.

The whole McCann Clan have been imploring the public to help, donate funds and search for Madeleine. They have been in the media/public as much as they could for years. The public will engage, as requested, but they won't have the terms of that engagement dictated to them. Quid pro quo.

AGREE 100%

Seconded, a very succinct post that needed to be said.

by Guest 23.12.13 22:43

bobbin wrote:
jamaljr wrote:
Smokeandmirrors wrote:Until the Tony Rickwood issue cropped up I had no idea at all that there was a fetish surrounding the whole woman struggling for her life/drowning in quicksand. I'm not so naive as to think this is completely rare or that there aren't women who go along with it but frankly I find it chilling.

People have also expressed their concern about the discussion being a witch hunt or vilification of a man who has no known convictions for hurting anybody physically. Fair enough.

In the context of this case EVERYTHING relating to those related to or around that child becomes relevant. If nothing else, for the purposes of elimination and to move forward. But NO investigation can be considered thorough until there is NO STONE UNTURNED - ask the parents!!

TR has posted his images in the public domain, his comments can be seen. Quite honestly by publishing, he has put it there for sharing, reaction, comment.

This material has been commented on, people have shared their views on it. I find it repugnant, others find it titillating. There is no caveat on his images restricting the observer or commentator to making only positive comment. If there is any concern to the publisher (in this case TR) that he may well be scrutinised, criticised or pilloried, which to the best of my knowledge is not illegal, then he should have thought about that before putting his pictures on the world wide web.

If someone, by their own free will, has a fetish and publishes it in the PUBLIC DOMAIN, then people can say about it what they blooming well like. If Mr Rickwood doesn't like what is written here, what people feel about his chosen "art" form or any of his nearest and dearest, that is just tough luck I'm afraid.

The whole McCann Clan have been imploring the public to help, donate funds and search for Madeleine. They have been in the media/public as much as they could for years. The public will engage, as requested, but they won't have the terms of that engagement dictated to them. Quid pro quo.

AGREE 100%

Seconded, a very succinct post that needed to be said.

I do wonder, as, no doubt many of us will, if that royal duchess allowed to kiss Kates' ~~ass~~ hand, was informed by her advance party about the rather unfortunate connections of the husband of the sucked up to locum GP from Queniborg?

by Cristobell 23.12.13 23:36

I savour Blacksmiths writing, when he is on form, he is quite brilliant. I enjoyed the verbal swordfight that took place today, I saw an academic debate that became a bit heated, but I am mature enough to sort the wheat from the chaff, and pick out the salient points. At no point did I need any smelling salts.

As for his views on Philomena's husband, I honestly do not know the answer. Once something is out of the box it is impossible to put it back in. As a mother I would object to a man with such interests being a helper on a school trip for teenage children, but that is gut instinct rather than as a result of any logical thought process. As for his character, we know very little apart from the fact that Philomena was very pro-active in the early days of the campaign and if they are a close couple in every sense, then must have played a part. I would struggle to describe him and his wife as innocent victims, we have seen enough that already.

As much as I sympathise with Blacksmith and the hostile reception he receives on this forum, I do feel on occasion he can be a bit of a chump. Whilst I admire his principles, age and wisdom have taught me that one needs an audience if one wishes to put across an opinion, or challenge a theory that one objects to. Whilst it is not an easy task persuading a hostile audience that you have a valid point, it is easier to do so if you have their ear. Once they have switched off, it is impossible.

We don't all hold the same views as Tony, in fact, we don't all hold the same views as each other. What a dull place this would be if we did.

by Smokeandmirrors 23.12.13 23:39

It's a shame Blacksmith needs to resort to bile and vulgarity.

by Guest 23.12.13 23:44

Absolutely. I have no words [which is rare...] apart from "no dignity, intellectual analysis and humour", "below the belt" and "unnecessary". IMO. Pity.

by plebgate 23.12.13 23:48

How many more times are we going to hear the words witch hunt. Boring imo.

IMO there is no witch hunt. Tony and others have researched this man and his website and reported their findings.

Witch hunt don't make me laugh!

Seems to me a certain few are making a witch hunt against Tony because of his research about this man.

by Google.Gaspar.Statements 23.12.13 23:52

There does seem to be fair few unsavoury characters that were in Maddie's world. It makes you wonder why her body had to be concealed.

by Smokeandmirrors 24.12.13 0:07

plebgate wrote:How many more times are we going to hear the words witch hunt. Boring imo.

IMO there is no witch hunt. Tony and others have researched this man and his website and reported their findings.

Witch hunt don't make me laugh!

Seems to me a certain few are making a witch hunt against Tony because of his research about this man.

Exactly, and one wonders why. Where do their "interests" lie I wonder? If people want to support the creation of images portraying women floundering to an almost certain death as "creative" or "artistic", well that's their free will being exercised, but just think how you'd feel if your wife or daughter or mother had her picture incorporated into such imagery for a bunch of fetishists on the internet. It would take on a different complexion then.

by plebgate 24.12.13 0:09

It sure would Smoke and Mirrors, it sure would.

by chillyheat 24.12.13 0:11

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"I Knew nothing about anything...Honest!..And anyway, my husband had limited access to computers as I was busy worrying about my next holiday. I used the computer for Trip Advisor. Its important to write reviews about trips...Even though Madeleine had recently disappeared"

by plebgate 24.12.13 0:14

First thing I would do is google the name of a person being brought into the family and if I found that they had what I believe to be an" unsavoury hobby" I would certainly avoid that person and strongly advise the family member to do the same.

by ProfessorPPlum 24.12.13 1:01

I just think it's a pity that an intelligent contributor gets thrown off because someone decides he/she is being abusive. What I saw was Veritas's growing frustration with people not dealing head-on with points he/she (can I stop that and just say 'he'?) made. And behind all that, a discomfort with the speed at which people concluded TR to have used his (unproven) photoshop skills to manipulate key MM images (unproven).

It was also a pity that as soon as the majority here didn't like his line of questioning (at least it seemed this way to me), they started to find fault with him: his intelligence, his supposed terrible insults - to the point where people started saying, whether joking or serious I don't know, that he = Blacksmith. Someone else decided that because he didn't agree with the majority, it must be proof that his agenda is to stop Tony Bennett asking questions about Rickwood.

Put another way, Veritas being booted off this forum is likely to to support the point Blacksmith was making in his most recent piece.

by BlondSurfer 24.12.13 1:21

Just to say.

Veritas is female i have known her forum persona for a good few years,she is a very clever (brainy) person.She is a bit fiery but she's an ok kind of woman.

by Cristobell 24.12.13 1:32

Smokeandmirrors wrote:
plebgate wrote:How many more times are we going to hear the words witch hunt. Boring imo.

IMO there is no witch hunt. Tony and others have researched this man and his website and reported their findings.

Witch hunt don't make me laugh!

Seems to me a certain few are making a witch hunt against Tony because of his research about this man.

Exactly, and one wonders why. Where do their "interests" lie I wonder? If people want to support the creation of images portraying women floundering to an almost certain death as "creative" or "artistic", well that's their free will being exercised, but just think how you'd feel if your wife or daughter or mother had her picture incorporated into such imagery for a bunch of fetishists on the internet. It would take on a different complexion then.

What artists create is beyond our control Smokeandmirrors - we either like it or we don't, or of course we might just be completely indifferent. To imply our indifference equates to our having deviant interests of our own is a bit harsh. As juicy as the subject matter is, I have not visited the deviant art site because there are other aspects of this case that interest me more. As indeed do wider debates outside of this forum.

Unfortunately the notion of 'women in peril' has formed part of art, literature and popular culture since time began, and there may even be cave drawings of women tied to rocks while giant predators loomed. It is a fantasy firmly entrenched in our culture, indeed it is dominant in cultures throughout the world, usually ending with the Prince rescuing the Princess and everyone living happily ever after. Rickwood's strange hobby may simply be a follow on from those ideas, though I don't recall anyone mentioning any heroic rescue.

I am not defending him, he appears to be within the inner circle and I hope that Scotland Yard are investigating this aspect thoroughly.

by **tigger** 24.12.13 5:27

Cristobell wrote:
Smokeandmirrors wrote:
plebgate wrote:How many more times are we going to hear the words witch hunt. Boring imo.

IMO there is no witch hunt. Tony and others have researched this man and his website and reported their findings.

Witch hunt don't make me laugh!

Seems to me a certain few are making a witch hunt against Tony because of his research about this man.

Exactly, and one wonders why. Where do their "interests" lie I wonder? If people want to support the creation of images portraying women floundering to an almost certain death as "creative" or "artistic", well that's their free will being exercised, but just think how you'd feel if your wife or daughter or mother had her picture incorporated into such imagery for a bunch of fetishists on the internet. It would take on a different complexion then.
What artists create is beyond our control Smokeandmirrors - we either like it or we don't, or of course we might just be completely indifferent. To imply our indifference equates to our having deviant interests of our own is a bit harsh. As juicy as the subject matter is, I have not visited the deviant art site because there are other aspects of this case that interest me more. As indeed do wider debates outside of this forum.

Unfortunately the notion of 'women in peril' has formed part of art, literature and popular culture since time began, and there may even be cave drawings of women tied to rocks while giant predators loomed. It is a fantasy firmly entrenched in our culture, indeed it is dominant in cultures throughout the world, usually ending with the Prince rescuing the Princess and everyone living happily ever after. Rickwood's strange hobby may simply be a follow on from those ideas, though I don't recall anyone mentioning any heroic rescue.

I am not defending him, he appears to be within the inner circle and I hope that Scotland Yard are investigating this aspect thoroughly.

I think your basic premise is wrong here. You speak of 'artists' so I presume you think Rickwood is an artist. Drawing a picture doesn't make you an artist anymore than writing a poem makes you a poet. Or taking photographs makes one a photographer.
Rickwood has learned to press a number of buttons to create images so we can see the results of his limited imagination.
That's it.

There are many people who can draw and paint - such as the street artists who will draw a portrait in half an hour but that's not art. Art is like a language you can learn but if you have nothing to say it's not art. This applies equally to the art of writing which is why biographies rarely if ever, win prizes, It's writing - such as 'madeleine' but it ain't literature.

by **Tony Bennett** 24.12.13 7:13

BlondSurfer wrote:Just to say.

Veritas is female I have known her forum persona for a good few years,

Ah! So she has a 'forum persona'. So she develops a special identity for the forum?

she is a very clever (brainy) person.

I've never seen evidence of that on this forum. I saw someone who tied herself in knots over Rickwood. I saw someone who was capable of a great deal of venom against others. I saw someone who easily became angry and used convoluted long paragraphs to express that anger

She is a bit fiery

Unpleasant, and rude to others

but she's an ok kind of woman.

According to 'BlondSurfer'

by **Tony Bennett** 24.12.13 7:20

Cristobell wrote:
Unfortunately the notion of 'women in peril' has formed part of art, literature and popular culture since time began, and there may even be cave drawings of women tied to rocks while giant predators loomed.

Well, no, there aren't

It is a fantasy firmly entrenched in our culture, indeed it is dominant in cultures throughout the world,

Dominant?

usually ending with the Prince rescuing the Princess and everyone living happily ever after. Rickwood's strange hobby may simply be a follow on from those ideas,

Merely a 'cultural thing', then?

though I don't recall anyone mentioning any heroic rescue.

Indeed, very much to the contrary, Cristobell, giving his 'artwork' titles such as:

"Helpless"

"Sinking fast"

"OMG!"

"Chillin'", and

"No escape".

by Guest 24.12.13 7:35

BlondSurfer wrote:Just to say.

Veritas is female i have known her forum persona for a good few years,she is a very clever (brainy) person.She is a bit fiery but she's an ok kind of woman.

According to his email address he's not a woman.
Muratfan likes to pretend he's a woman too.
Confusion is good, though, apparently.

by aiyoyo 24.12.13 7:46

tigger wrote:
Cristobell wrote:
Smokeandmirrors wrote:
plebgate wrote:How many more times are we going to hear the words witch hunt. Boring imo.

IMO there is no witch hunt. Tony and others have researched this man and his website and reported their findings.

Witch hunt don't make me laugh!

Seems to me a certain few are making a witch hunt against Tony because of his research about this man.

Exactly, and one wonders why. Where do their "interests" lie I wonder? If people want to support the creation of images portraying women floundering to an almost certain death as "creative" or "artistic", well that's their free will being exercised, but just think how you'd feel if your wife or daughter or mother had her picture incorporated into such imagery for a bunch of fetishists on the internet. It would take on a different complexion then.
What artists create is beyond our control Smokeandmirrors - we either like it or we don't, or of course we might just be completely indifferent. To imply our indifference equates to our having deviant interests of our own is a bit harsh. As juicy as the subject matter is, I have not visited the deviant art site because there are other aspects of this case that interest me more. As indeed do wider debates outside of this forum.

Unfortunately the notion of 'women in peril' has formed part of art, literature and popular culture since time began, and there may even be cave drawings of women tied to rocks while giant predators loomed. It is a fantasy firmly entrenched in our culture, indeed it is dominant in cultures throughout the world, usually ending with the Prince rescuing the Princess and everyone living happily ever after. Rickwood's strange hobby may simply be a follow on from those ideas, though I don't recall anyone mentioning any heroic rescue.

I am not defending him, he appears to be within the inner circle and I hope that Scotland Yard are investigating this aspect thoroughly.

I think your basic premise is wrong here. You speak of 'artists' so I presume you think Rickwood is an artist. Drawing a picture doesn't make you an artist anymore than writing a poem makes you a poet. Or taking photographs makes one a photographer.
Rickwood has learned to press a number of buttons to create images so we can see the results of his limited imagination.
That's it.

There are many people who can draw and paint - such as the street artists who will draw a portrait in half an hour but that's not art. Art is like a language you can learn but if you have nothing to say it's not art. This applies equally to the art of writing which is why biographies rarely if ever, win prizes, It's writing - such as 'madeleine' but it ain't literature.

I second that Tigger.
The production of some images out of fetish impulses of woman sucked into quicksand does not an artist made, neither is that sort of fetish mainstream.

by **Tony Bennett** 24.12.13 7:57

admin wrote:
BlondSurfer wrote:Just to say.

Veritas is female i have known her forum persona for a good few years,she is a very clever (brainy) person.She is a bit fiery but she's an ok kind of woman.
According to his email address he's not a woman.
Muratfan likes to pretend he's a woman too.
Confusion is good, though, apparently.

So BlondSurfer is a liar?

Should a deliberate liar remain a forum member?

by Guest 24.12.13 8:00

Tony Bennett wrote:
admin wrote:
BlondSurfer wrote:Just to say.

Veritas is female i have known her forum persona for a good few years,she is a very clever (brainy) person.She is a bit fiery but she's an ok kind of woman.
According to his email address he's not a woman.
Muratfan likes to pretend he's a woman too.
Confusion is good, though, apparently.

So BlondSurfer is a liar?

Should a deliberate liar remain a forum member?

Hmmmm.....let me think. She's contributing quite a bit to the games threads Tony. Important stuff, that.

by **Tony Bennett** 24.12.13 8:11

admin wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
admin wrote:
BlondSurfer wrote:Just to say.

Veritas is female i have known her forum persona for a good few years,she is a very clever (brainy) person.She is a bit fiery but she's an ok kind of woman.
According to his email address he's not a woman.
Muratfan likes to pretend he's a woman too.
Confusion is good, though, apparently.

So BlondSurfer is a liar?

Should a deliberate liar remain a forum member?
Hmmmm.....let me think. She's contributing quite a bit to the games threads Tony. Important stuff, that.

BlondSurfer's history here:

1. Joined 30 January 2012. Six days before my contempt of court trial began. Made a post saying s/he was 'going to have a nosey around'.

2. On the same day, made five posts on five different games threads - then never contrributed to them again.

3. A four-word post on 27 October 2013.

4. Then lies about Veritas being a 'very' clever woman.

That's her/his 8 posts so far!

Gerry McCann's brother-in-law, Tony Rickwood, removes his depraved images of women drowning from an internet site