Re: WOW A MUST READ -Madeleine clues hidden for five years - Sunday Times Full article now on Page 1

by Jackie Regan 27.10.13 23:45

okeydokey wrote:You're talking like an old timer! [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] But you've only been on since 22nd October... [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

New to the forum..But long held views maybe.

by suzyjohnson 27.10.13 23:47

Yes, exactly, it needs to be solved now

by ProfessorPPlum 27.10.13 23:47

Okeydokey wrote:
iamfreecanigo wrote:Daily star, has a front page on it, rest of the papers nothing, not the massive change being touted on here, ah well, most of us didn't expect it, people were getting carried away.
You're talking like an old timer! But you've only been on since 22nd October...

It IS a massive change iamfreecanigo, rest assured!

by Guest 27.10.13 23:50

Sky Press Preview left Daily Star 'til the very end (thought they were going to leave it out completely) but then said the headline related to the new Portuguese reopening. Christ on a bike. aaagh

by Cerinthe 27.10.13 23:50

Probably the first thing an investigative journalist would do after Crimewatch would be to phone up the Scotland Yard team and ask who the private investigators were who put together the e-fit, and why was the lead buried for five years, if it was important enough to publicise 5 1/2 years later. It was an obvious missing piece of information from the Crimewatch programme.

If suppressing evidence of their daughter's supposed abductor doesn't put the McCanns under Scotland Yard's investigative gaze, then nothing will.

by suzyjohnson 27.10.13 23:51

I'm wondering what the Daily Mail are going to make of the news. Right now they're probably hopelessly confused.

by Miraflores 27.10.13 23:52

suzyjohnson wrote:I'm wondering what the Daily Mail are going to make of the news. Right now they're probably hopelessly confused.

Probably do the same as the Guardian/Observer and keep schtumm because it can't easily be spun.

by Jackie Regan 27.10.13 23:53

Dee Coy wrote:Sky Press Preview left Daily Star 'til the very end (thought they were going to leave it out completely) but then said the headline related to the new Portuguese reopening. Christ on a bike.[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

You can't have everything all at once..drip..drip..tick..tick

Momentum will follow

by TheTruthWillOut 27.10.13 23:59

Jackie Regan wrote:
Dee Coy wrote:Sky Press Preview left Daily Star 'til the very end (thought they were going to leave it out completely) but then said the headline related to the new Portuguese reopening. Christ on a bike.[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
You can't have everything all at once..drip..drip..tick..tick

Momentum will follow

The way this put years ago was Slowly Slowly Catchy Monkey/Softly, Softly, Catchee Monkey (delete as appropriate) big grin

by Saturdaygirl 28.10.13 0:00

Okeydokey wrote:
TexMac wrote:First post - just to mention that already there are now 380 comments on the Mumsnet website [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Most with views much like this forum, albeit stated with great care to avoid the thread being deleted.
People on there are referring others to Mccannfiles, this forum, etc, with links!
Apparently Mumsnet gets 4.3 million unique visitors each month!!
Well done to all those who have got the message through there! That's a very important site!!

I'm on that thread but have been very careful, Ive already been banned (unjustifiably actually) once and don't fancy it again as I actually enjoy that site! Surprised that the thread hasn't degenerated as inevitably the McCann threads do with the usual "how vile to think that of those poor McCanns" type posters.

by Woofer 28.10.13 0:01

On Sky News they said the Express front page had `British cops to quizz new witnesses` in Maddie case, but I can`t find anything on the online version.

by Miraflores 28.10.13 0:05

Saturdaygirl wrote:I'm on that thread but have been very careful, Ive already been banned (unjustifiably actually) once and don't fancy it again as I actually enjoy that site! Surprised that the thread hasn't degenerated as inevitably the McCann threads do with the usual "how vile to think that of those poor McCanns" type posters.

I'm on that thread too. I haven't been banned yet, but have had a fair few posts deleted on the subject on other threads. Quite unjustifiably too IMHO.

by Saturdaygirl 28.10.13 0:08

Miraflores wrote:
Saturdaygirl wrote:I'm on that thread but have been very careful, Ive already been banned (unjustifiably actually) once and don't fancy it again as I actually enjoy that site! Surprised that the thread hasn't degenerated as inevitably the McCann threads do with the usual "how vile to think that of those poor McCanns" type posters.
I'm on that thread too. I haven't been banned yet, but have had a fair few posts deleted on the subject on other threads. Quite unjustifiably too IMHO.

Im screamqueen, name changed from last thread which was deleted last week. My banning was actually a few years ago for something fairly innocuous and I got no warning, despite what they claim, after that I tried - I really did - to stay away from any McCann thread that popped up, but like a moth to a flame, well thats me... big grin

by Bobby Peru 28.10.13 0:12

I don't think there will be a slew of newspapers following the ST Insight team's lead in the next seven days.....However, I have a sneaking suspicion that should the Insight team follow this up in-depth next Sunday with some revelations of their own, then the flood-gates will open.

by Guest 28.10.13 0:15

Can't help but think this breaking with the start of the Brookes trial is significant. Tiger backed into a corner needs massive distraction to escape, sort of thing. Or in this case, unleash an even bigger scandal.

I believe Murdoch would go to even greater lengths to protect Brookes than he seemingly has for the McCanns. I suspect he'd do anything for her survival, even if it meant showing that this particular 'end' (the solving of the Madeleine mystery) justifies the means (the accruing of information by less than salubrious methods). And possibly even if that meant sacrificing the McCanns. Certainly, it would take a power with the might of Murdoch to penetrate into the veil of protection that the McCanns have so far received.

A purely hypothetical question: if the truth of what happened in this case lies within evidence obtained by phone hacking, would that somehow be seen to 'lessen' the seriousness of phone hacking?

by MRNOODLES 28.10.13 0:23

roy rovers wrote:Any chance this will be tidied up in time for me to get DCI Redwood's book in my Christmas stocking?

Not sure, but I think he's aiming for a hat-trick.

Solve MM disappearance
Nail the fund fraud
Catch the Praia da Luz burglars

dance

by Grande Finale 28.10.13 0:29

Found this interesting morph picture but I don't know how to post here !

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by Okeydokey 28.10.13 0:53

Dee Coy wrote:Can't help but think this breaking with the start of the Brookes trial is significant. Tiger backed into a corner needs massive distraction to escape, sort of thing. Or in this case, unleash an even bigger scandal.

I believe Murdoch would go to even greater lengths to protect Brookes than he seemingly has for the McCanns. I suspect he'd do anything for her survival, even if it meant showing that this particular 'end' (the solving of the Madeleine mystery) justifies the means (the accruing of information by less than salubrious methods). And possibly even if that meant sacrificing the McCanns. Certainly, it would take a power with the might of Murdoch to penetrate into the veil of protection that the McCanns have so far received.

A purely hypothetical question: if the truth of what happened in this case lies within evidence obtained by phone hacking, would that somehow be seen to 'lessen' the seriousness of phone hacking?

I think you could be right. He clearly seemed to treat Brookes like a favoured daughter.

Whatever, something has changed. I can't imagine the ST would run a story like that without clearance from Old Pa Murdoch in some way.

Answer to your question: yes.

However, I doubt that will be found to be the case.

by Okeydokey 28.10.13 0:57

Jackie Regan wrote:
okeydokey wrote:You're talking like an old timer! [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] But you've only been on since 22nd October... [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
New to the forum..But long held views maybe.

It was your "touted" that I found a bit questionable. I would say the last thing most people do here is "tout" views. They give their sincere and/or their considered views. They aren't in the business of touting opinions. What do you mean "long held views maybe" (my emphasis). Surely you know how long you've held your views or not?

by Okeydokey 28.10.13 1:04

Reposting this as people may have missed it - from Sunday but currently on the Daily Express online:

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This is an incredibly respectful article about the reopening of the PJ inquiry. Almost as though they are getting their readers ready for some shocking news... :)

by indigoblue12 28.10.13 1:09

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]The news is spreading!! Its "Down Under" now!

by KellyLennon 28.10.13 1:13

Okeydokey wrote:Reposting this as people may have missed it - from Sunday but currently on the Daily Express online:

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This is an incredibly respectful article about the reopening of the PJ inquiry. Almost as though they are getting their readers ready for some shocking news... :)

AC Mark Rowley, Specialist Crime and Operations, one of the two officers present at the briefing, said: "The meeting was very positive, and we and the Policia Judiciaria have a shared determination to do everything possible to discover what happened to Madeleine.

The Algarve-based officers are thought to have been looking through phone records.

by jeanmonroe 28.10.13 1:24

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66,000 'followers'

Sue in Wales‏@auldcrip3h
@quigleykarl @KTHopkins You would be better off phoning the Times as they broke the truth oops story on the #McCann cover up. KTH is sharing

Retweeted by Katie Hopkins

Katie Hopkins‏@KTHopkins3h
I would take a lie detector test tomorrow - I have nothing to hide and no filter. Repulsive to some. But honest either way.

Andy Templar P.A.I.‏@ajp19103h
@KTHopkins I must admit I have never been a fan of yours but I've come to admire your spirit ,keep it up lass ,from a Yorkshire lad

Katie Hopkins‏@KTHopkins3h
@KSLPinto agreed. I apologise.

Katie Hopkins‏@KTHopkins3h
You can rain libel on me all you want. I am not in the least bit afraid. Enough of the McCanns. Time someone stood up for Maddie #McCanns

Ruairi Glenn‏@ruairiglenn3h
@KTHopkins Love her or loathe her, the fact is that Katie Hopkins has hit the nail on the head re the McCanns #McCanns

Retweeted by Katie Hopkins

Justice 4Anni‏@Justice4Anni3h
@KTHopkins Katie, please use the hashtag #mccann in your tweets and they will get the much wider exposure that they deserve.

Retweeted by Katie Hopkins

Seeking justice‏@justice4maddie3h
@KTHopkins Katie Ive been following & fighting in the case for justice for 3yr old Maddie #McCann for 6 yrs now,thank you for speaking out

ELLAX❤‏@ellabellastwits3h
@KTHopkins this is the first time I've ever agreed with what u are tweeting, Something is definitely not right with the McCanns story :/

Katie Hopkins‏@KTHopkins3h
The public part funded the report that the McCanns hid away for 5yrs. I will not be silenced by their dubious editorial policy #McCanns

Katie Hopkins‏@KTHopkins3h
McCanns book devotes whole chapter to 8 key sightings. 7 have an e-fit. 1 was missed out - the e-fit the McCanns hid from us for 5 yrs.

Katie Hopkins‏@KTHopkins3h
To the 2400 that called in post Crimewatch. The McCanns could have provided this info in Nov 2008 but preferred to bury it as 'distracting'

Katie Hopkins‏@KTHopkins4h
Pay team of investigators to find your daughter. Don't like report. Block it. Forced to hand over. Find 'Revelations' Act pleased #McCanns

Katie Hopkins‏@KTHopkins5h
Crimewatch centred on a report the McCanns kept hidden away for 5 years. People phoned in in their thousands desperate to help these people.

Hayleigh Penfold‏@hayleighpenfold5h
@KTHopkins go u. First thing I've agreed on with u. We have something in common. Justice. Good for u Katie we've all said

Katie Hopkins‏@KTHopkins5h
Keep the libel stuff coming. It is time someone said what a lot of us are thinking. Enough of the nods and winks.

by Okeydokey 28.10.13 1:27

indigoblue12 wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]The news is spreading!! Its "Down Under" now!

Good stuff - this is a Murdoch paper isn't it? Anyone get behind the paywall... sounds quite an aggressive piece.

by Okeydokey 28.10.13 1:29

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66,000 'followers'

If the 66,000 followers are all as gobby as her that will really spread the message around!

by jeanmonroe 28.10.13 1:40

Okeydokey wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

66,000 'followers'
If the 66,000 followers are all as gobby as her that will really spread the message around!

"GOBBY IS GOOD", in this case!

by indigoblue12 28.10.13 1:44

Okeydokey wrote:
indigoblue12 wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]The news is spreading!! Its "Down Under" now!
Good stuff - this is a Murdoch paper isn't it? Anyone get behind the paywall... sounds quite an aggressive piece.

"Aggressive" are my thoughts exactly :) Waiting on an friend in Australia to get back to me,think she may have a subscription.Murdoch?-yes.

by suzyjohnson 28.10.13 2:19

How's this from the Daily Mail -

'Why were Maddie suspect E-fits kept secret for five years? Images and evidence of sighting uncovered by private detectives were suppressed

The McCanns are now fully behind the fresh police drive and release of the E-fits – but five years ago they were reluctant to issue them, possibly in part because witness Mr Smith’s account seemed inconsistent and unreliable'

What?.!!!!!!

'Months after the disappearance and after seeing Gerry McCann on TV, Mr Smith told police that he thought the man he saw carrying a girl around Madeleine’s age at the very time she went missing reminded him of Gerry McCann himself.
Mr Smith has reportedly since withdrawn that claim – just as Portuguese police have officially told the McCanns they are no longer suspects for their daughter’s disappearance.
The couple have also won libel damages for false suggestions that they were in any way involved.

Numerous witnesses have also given statements making clear that Mr McCann was at his holiday complex at the moment the sighting occurred – which was at the very time when he and his wife started calling for help looking for Maddie.

But shortly after Mr Smith told police Mr McCann may have been the man he had seen carrying a little girl, a friend of the McCanns said: ‘Look at the facts. This man sees an individual carrying a child on the night Maddie vanished.
‘He waits 13 days to report this to the police, going back to Ireland in the meantime. At this stage he admits he has no idea who the man is. Almost four months go by before, after seeing him on TV, he feels that it could be Gerry.
‘The truth is that this is part of the victimisation of Gerry and Kate which has gone on from the very beginning by the Portuguese.’

by Okeydokey 28.10.13 2:49

suzyjohnson wrote:How's this from the Daily Mail -

'Why were Maddie suspect E-fits kept secret for five years? Images and evidence of sighting uncovered by private detectives were suppressed

The McCanns are now fully behind the fresh police drive and release of the E-fits – but five years ago they were reluctant to issue them, possibly in part because witness Mr Smith’s account seemed inconsistent and unreliable'

What?.!!!!!!

'Months after the disappearance and after seeing Gerry McCann on TV, Mr Smith told police that he thought the man he saw carrying a girl around Madeleine’s age at the very time she went missing reminded him of Gerry McCann himself.
Mr Smith has reportedly since withdrawn that claim – just as Portuguese police have officially told the McCanns they are no longer suspects for their daughter’s disappearance.
The couple have also won libel damages for false suggestions that they were in any way involved.

Numerous witnesses have also given statements making clear that Mr McCann was at his holiday complex at the moment the sighting occurred – which was at the very time when he and his wife started calling for help looking for Maddie.

But shortly after Mr Smith told police Mr McCann may have been the man he had seen carrying a little girl, a friend of the McCanns said: ‘Look at the facts. This man sees an individual carrying a child on the night Maddie vanished.
‘He waits 13 days to report this to the police, going back to Ireland in the meantime. At this stage he admits he has no idea who the man is. Almost four months go by before, after seeing him on TV, he feels that it could be Gerry.
‘The truth is that this is part of the victimisation of Gerry and Kate which has gone on from the very beginning by the Portuguese.’

Here's the link for the story:

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So - it is spreading...

by Okeydokey 28.10.13 2:51

Look what the Daily Mail smuggled in:

Months after the disappearance and after seeing Gerry McCann on TV, Mr Smith told police that he thought the man he saw carrying a girl around Madeleine’s age at the very time she went missing reminded him of Gerry McCann himself.

PS - Was it really "months" after?
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