Re: Anyone for scraps?

by DurhamGuy1967 02.11.13 11:46

GEROME THE GNOME wrote:Does anyone know where on 25th of april street Serge Malinka(The man whose car was torched and the word "talk" written on the pavement) lived? as that was the location of the Smith sighting.

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I'm not sure where he lived. I read within 30m of where his car was burned out. I know where his car was burned out..If you go on google maps. This is on road Rua 25 De Abril go toward the church you can see this distinctive building on the right ( one way Street )

by DurhamGuy1967 02.11.13 13:02

DurhamGuy1967 wrote:
GEROME THE GNOME wrote:Does anyone know where on 25th of april street Serge Malinka(The man whose car was torched and the word "talk" written on the pavement) lived? as that was the location of the Smith sighting.
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I'm not sure where he lived. I read within 30m of where his car was burned out. I know where his car was burned out..If you go on google maps. This is on road Rua 25 De Abril go toward the church you can see this distinctive building on the right ( one way Street )

Sorry, 40 feet from this car not 30m

by GEROME THE GNOME 02.11.13 17:23

Thanks...seems wierd to me that the Smith sighting was close by, and i read somewhere that Malinka phoned Murat around the same time and Murat phoned him back at 10.40.

by DurhamGuy1967 02.11.13 18:36

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It's always puzzled me that Madeline was taken somewhere and never found and there is a strong theory that she was kept cool in a fridge or freezer. But who had access to property? And if, as I believe, it was not planned in advance, who had access at short notice in the late evening?

Was she placed in hiding somewhere and that for some reason the person who hid her lost access?

What would you do if you were innocent yet a prime suspect then discovered her in a fridge in a property you had access to? "I've been framed?"

by DurhamGuy1967 02.11.13 18:51

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It's always puzzled me that Madeline was taken somewhere and never found and there is a strong theory that she was kept cool in a fridge or freezer. But who had access to property? And if, as I believe, it was not planned in advance, who had access at short notice in the late evening?

Was she placed in hiding somewhere and that for some reason the person who hid her lost access?

What would you do if you were innocent yet a prime suspect then discovered her in a fridge in a property you had access to? "I've been framed?"

What if you found her, would you consider blackmail?

by Rufus T 06.09.14 11:35

Okeydokey wrote:
whmon wrote:The 'New Zealand wine': Why did KM state that they had drank some New Zealand wine in the apartment and not just 'some wine'? I think I know why. There is quite a lot of anthropological research on drinking as this is treated quite differently in and within different cultures. To state 'some wine' or just 'a few drinks' means that the individual is focussed on the alcohol. To state 'New Zealand wine' (or any other named brand) takes it to a different level of semantics and means that the individual wants the listeners to believe that the focus was not the alcohol but the experience of consuming a certain thing because of the taste. I hope I am making myself clear. For example, I have a couple of friends - she does not drink and does not allow him to drink. He subsequently does not 'drink' but is allowed to go to real ale bars and festivals because it is not 'drink' - no! it is not anywhere near as 'common' as that. He is not 'drinking' he is tasting real ale!
Might be something in that. But might be something to do with sales receipts.

Indeed, Kate's insistence on telling us the wine was from New Zealand has been playing on my mind recently.
Is she doing it for the reason set out above by whmon or Okeydokey ?
Is she telling us that New Zealand is of importance to the case?
Does she wish to divert attention from Portuguese wine for some reason?
Is it some kind of product placement thing?
Or something else?

I wish I knew the answer, but at the moment I am really focusing on this - just need to think about it some more. Any thoughts on this matter ?

by truthfultiger 06.09.14 13:09

Hmm, isn't there a very famous pop star with a vineyard just up the road? Maybe they didn't want to admit to drinking Portuguese wine. Or maybe I'm getting too far fetched... I don't know.

by HelenMeg 06.09.14 13:36

I would think it is very much to do with sales receipts

by **Nina** 06.09.14 17:40

I think it was to just paint a picture of companionship and affection after getting the children to sleep. A time of calm with a drink of a wine that was special to them, had special memories as a couple. Sitting chatting, enjoying the wine and then a leisurely supper with friends. :puke:

by Guest 06.09.14 18:11

Rufus T wrote:
Okeydokey wrote:
whmon wrote:The 'New Zealand wine': Why did KM state that they had drank some New Zealand wine in the apartment and not just 'some wine'? I think I know why. There is quite a lot of anthropological research on drinking as this is treated quite differently in and within different cultures. To state 'some wine' or just 'a few drinks' means that the individual is focussed on the alcohol. To state 'New Zealand wine' (or any other named brand) takes it to a different level of semantics and means that the individual wants the listeners to believe that the focus was not the alcohol but the experience of consuming a certain thing because of the taste. I hope I am making myself clear. For example, I have a couple of friends - she does not drink and does not allow him to drink. He subsequently does not 'drink' but is allowed to go to real ale bars and festivals because it is not 'drink' - no! it is not anywhere near as 'common' as that. He is not 'drinking' he is tasting real ale!
Might be something in that. But might be something to do with sales receipts.
Indeed, Kate's insistence on telling us the wine was from New Zealand has been playing on my mind recently.
Is she doing it for the reason set out above by whmon or Okeydokey ?
Is she telling us that New Zealand is of importance to the case?
Does she wish to divert attention from Portuguese wine for some reason?
Is it some kind of product placement thing?
Or something else?

I wish I knew the answer, but at the moment I am really focusing on this - just need to think about it some more. Any thoughts on this matter ?

They are screaming social-climbers and are always desperate to portray themselves in the right image, that being middle-middle class which is the natural state of their other Tapas friends but not themselves, Gerry being working-class and Kate lower-middle.

It's important - I think - to remember that this continuous striving to appear better than they are affects the way they dress, speak, behave (think Gerry's bullishness) and the words they use.

Yes. To have 'a drink' is a very lower-class thing to do (unless you're an aristocrat (they admit it with abandon, having no shame and no need to prove anything to anyone)), upper-middles have cocktails before dinner and whisky afterwards, middle-middles have Beaujolais, Bordeaux, Chablis or obscure German whites (but not Chardonnay or Pinot any more). Lower-middles have 'a nice red' or a 'dry white', Buds, perry and sherry. The working-classes have anything (I should know! titter

).

So it is quite credible that they were simply demonstrating their 'refined tastes' by specifying New Zealand white rather than the local plonk. Snobbishly futile, imo, because most of the Portugues wine I've had is delish. It could be that 'New Zealand' sprang to mind because, ironically, that was the local plonk they drank when they lived there.

However, just because this is, imo, typical behaviour for them does not rule out the posibility that yet more smoke and mirrors stuff was also going on.

What's the thing with the receipts? Which receipts?

by Newintown 06.09.14 18:15

Nina wrote:I think it was to just paint a picture of companionship and affection after getting the children to sleep. A time of calm with a drink of a wine that was special to them, had special memories as a couple. Sitting chatting, enjoying the wine and then a leisurely supper with friends. :puke:

Or could it be to get funding or a "Find Madeleine" promotion campaign from the makers of New Zealand wine. The McCanns never seemed to miss a trick when it came to making money for their "fund".

by **Nina** 06.09.14 18:19

I find it difficult to even believe they would be able to buy anything other than Portuguese wine at a very small local supermarket. I live within an hour of the Costa del Sol and would struggle to get anything other than Spanish wines even from the very large supermarkets. Carrefour do sell some French wines but eh it is a French company.

by Guest 06.09.14 18:30

Nina wrote:I find it difficult to even believe they would be able to buy anything other than Portuguese wine at a very small local supermarket. I live within an hour of the Costa del Sol and would struggle to get anything other than Spanish wines even from the very large supermarkets. Carrefour do sell some French wines but eh it is a French company.

I thought the same, Nina. If NZ wine was available it would have been very expensive, I'd imagine. Which is why I wonder about these receipts. I wouldn't put it past Gerry to skimp on everyday essentials like kids' shoes and childcare behind the scenes but to ostentatiously buy expensive wine when in the company of those he can now gratefully refer to as his peers.

See also Kate's expensive new pink trainers (selling then for about £80 (Gerry also had the mens' version to match, b t w) - their own image on display to the outside world is paramount.

by Newintown 06.09.14 18:41

Nina wrote:I find it difficult to even believe they would be able to buy anything other than Portuguese wine at a very small local supermarket. I live within an hour of the Costa del Sol and would struggle to get anything other than Spanish wines even from the very large supermarkets. Carrefour do sell some French wines but eh it is a French company.

That's why I mentioned in my post that the McCanns were looking for funding or a promotional campaign from suppliers of NZ wine. I couldn't believe either that they could buy NZ wine from a local supermarket in PDL without paying sky high prices for it. I've been to Spain and Portugal many times and as you say the local supermarkets mostly stock only Spanish or Portuguese wines.

The fact the KM had mentioned "New Zealand" wine had a purpose. The McCanns don't do or say anything unless it has a purpose which assists them, in any way or form.

by Rufus T 06.09.14 18:44

truthfultiger wrote:Hmm, isn't there a very famous pop star with a vineyard just up the road? Maybe they didn't want to admit to drinking Portuguese wine. Or maybe I'm getting too far fetched... I don't know.

Although Kitty does have a vineyard I was thinking of a certain family of wine merchants who also happened to be connected to the OC, just a thought.

by missbeetle 06.09.14 20:21

Nina wrote:I find it difficult to even believe they would be able to buy anything other than Portuguese wine at a very small local supermarket. I live within an hour of the Costa del Sol and would struggle to get anything other than Spanish wines even from the very large supermarkets. Carrefour do sell some French wines but eh it is a French company.

Hi Nina -

I looked up Baptista supermarket - it's a rather fancy place, with a bakery, deli and a café with outdoor seating -

- it also has "an excellent national and foreign wine selection" :

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(snipped from the Baptista Supermercado website, with thanks)

by **Nina** 06.09.14 20:38

missbeetle wrote:
Nina wrote:I find it difficult to even believe they would be able to buy anything other than Portuguese wine at a very small local supermarket. I live within an hour of the Costa del Sol and would struggle to get anything other than Spanish wines even from the very large supermarkets. Carrefour do sell some French wines but eh it is a French company.

Hi Nina -

I looked up Baptista supermarket - it's a rather fancy place, with a bakery, deli and a café with outdoor seating -

- it also has "an excellent national and foreign wine selection" :

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(snipped from the Baptista Supermercado website, with thanks)

Well there you go I was incorrect. Thank you missbeetle for your research.

by **Nina** 06.09.14 20:47

Mmmm seems they updated in May 2009 from this,

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and then opened a new supporting supermarket to make way for more in the former older one,

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by nglfi 06.09.14 21:22

I always took it as just an insult towards the Portuguese - 'your wine isn't good enough for us, only NZ will do'. They got into thehabit quite early on of attacking the Portuguese at every turn.

by Gaggzy 07.09.14 0:52

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For a moment there, I thought this was a photo of all the booze imbibed by the Tapas 9 on
May 3rd 2007. :puke:

Huh, silly me .... where's the lager?

by cloak'ndagger 07.09.14 12:09

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For a moment there, I thought this was a photo of all the booze imbibed by the Tapas 9 on
May 3rd 2007. :puke:

Huh, silly me .... where's the lager?

Gaggsy One doesn't drink lager clapping

Baptistas did not stock New Zealand wine at the time. I know because I asked them. spin

by **Nina** 07.09.14 12:38

cloak'ndagger wrote:
Gaggzy wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

For a moment there, I thought this was a photo of all the booze imbibed by the Tapas 9 on
May 3rd 2007. :puke:

Huh, silly me .... where's the lager?
Gaggsy One doesn't drink lager

Baptistas did not stock New Zealand wine at the time. I know because I asked them.

cloak'ndagger, many will not believe you, but I do roses

by HelenMeg 07.09.14 13:34

In that case - they probably mentioned the NZ wine to account for buying something in another shop further afield. If they went to a SHOP further away or out of PdL to buy, say, cleaning materials, then they maybe needed an excuse for why they did not just go to the local store. Everything always for a reason - always to cover up.....Always

by cloak'ndagger 07.09.14 17:23

Nina wrote:
cloak'ndagger wrote:
Gaggzy wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

For a moment there, I thought this was a photo of all the booze imbibed by the Tapas 9 on
May 3rd 2007. :puke:

Huh, silly me .... where's the lager?
Gaggsy One doesn't drink lager

Baptistas did not stock New Zealand wine at the time. I know because I asked them.

cloak'ndagger, many will not believe you, but I do

Nina. I holiday in that area a lot . I don't care who believes me. I was asked to check it out soon after the ''abduction''. I asked in the mini supermarket and they told me that wine was not stocked there. I asked if it was stored in the cellars and I was told ''no''. I wouldn't see the point in lying. roses

by Guest 07.09.14 18:15

Is it a case of "how do you know when people have a apple thingy,its because they tell you" you know my computer/phone is better than your's, so I drink a better class of wine than most and you need to know.

by Okeydokey 07.09.14 23:22

HelenMeg wrote:In that case - they probably mentioned the NZ wine to account for buying something in another shop further afield. If they went to a SHOP further away or out of PdL to buy, say, cleaning materials, then they maybe needed an excuse for why they did not just go to the local store. Everything always for a reason - always to cover up.....Always

I think that is quite a credible theory...or two people go into a shop, they separate...one buys NZ wine with a card, another buys cleaning materials with cash...they emerge together.

by Gaggzy 08.09.14 1:53

How about this one for a 'scrap.' It has always bugged me and it's one the police should jump on him for :

'There's no evidence that Madeleine is dead, and no evidence to implicate us in her death.' - Gerry McCann.

I'm sure pinky came out with something along similar lines and mentioned Madeleine's death.

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by Liz Eagles 08.09.14 2:04

Gaggzy wrote:How about this one for a 'scrap.' It has always bugged me and it's one the police should jump on him for :

'There's no evidence that Madeleine is dead, and no evidence to implicate us in her death.' - Gerry McCann.

I'm sure pinky came out with something along similar lines and mentioned Madeleine's death.

This might help you out Gaggzy

[color:79e0=000000]Clarence Mitchell: "If she is dead then she is dead, but not by their hand."

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by Gaggzy 08.09.14 3:54

aquila wrote:
Gaggzy wrote:How about this one for a 'scrap.' It has always bugged me and it's one the police should jump on him for :

'There's no evidence that Madeleine is dead, and no evidence to implicate us in her death.' - Gerry McCann.

I'm sure pinky came out with something along similar lines and mentioned Madeleine's death.

This might help you out Gaggzy

Clarence Mitchell: "If she is dead then she is dead, but not by their hand."

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Yep, that's the one.

Their quotes over the years are littered with gems like these.

by nglfi 09.09.14 13:00

Another scrap - both Kate and Gerry's interest in and insistence on paedophilia as an explanation for what happened, when not the slightest scrap of evidence exists to suggest anything like that happened. Gerry's visit to CEOP headquarters and the involvement of Jim Gamble - why? Let's assume for argument's sake that the macs are innocent. The known facts are that Madeleine disappeared, with no trace of her going any further from the apartment, except perhaps the Smith man sighting. There is also a strong possibility she sadly died in the apartment as the dogs revealed. Where the hell did they get paedophilia from? If I was a parent I imagine it is the last thing I would want to deal with and think about the possibility of it having happened. I imagine I could not bear to think about it, yet within apparent moments of discovering her 'gone', Gerry is talking about it to all and sundry.