CRIMEWATCH ON BBC ***Part 1 DISCUSSION****

sofieellis wrote:Hi, another newbie here - please be gentle  

I've read about half of this thread so far, and I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this question, so apologies if I'm in the wrong place.

Scotland Yard have said they have stripped the investigation right back to the start and begun all over again from the beginning, not assuming anything. Does that mean then, that they have re-interviewed the McCanns and the rest of the Tapas 9? It would seem to be the logical place to start a new investigion, but I haven't seen anything about this anywhere. Obviously it doesn't mean it hasn't happened, but I would have expected the press to pick up on it if they had all been dragged off to police stations to give interviews.

russiandoll wrote:I believe Redwood's not ACCEPTING ANYTHING included not accepting abduction and following UK procedures. Coming very soon to the conclusion that JT man did not exist.

 and why Tanner was binned and crechedad came as if out of a magician's hat

 and without JT man, there is no abductor.

 there is no foundation on which the house of cards can stand

 it will come tumbling down sooner or later

Estelle wrote:Meanwhile remember this article Friends of McCanns 'scared to tell truth' from Tuesday, 12 November 2007 published in the Evening Standard and later on thisislondon.co.uk. Notice that the title and the article were updated, contents changed [deleted], the updated article can still be found [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

“It’s not that he is scared of the McCanns, but the economic and political lobby surrounding the couple is truly frightening to anybody.”

A friend of Kate and Gerry McCann wants to "reveal the whole truth" about the case but is frightened of the couple's political allies, a lawyer claimed yesterday.

One of the so-called Tapas Nine wants to help Portuguese police with the six-month investigation but "feels obliged to keep silent", according to the unnamed legal source.

The lawyer attacked the intervention of "certain politicians" in the case and said they had prejudiced the hunt to discover what really happened to Madeleine McCann. Prime Minister Gordon Brown and Foreign Secretary David Miliband both spoke to the couple directly before the McCanns were made official suspects in the case.

Direct contact stopped when they were made arguidos in September but the Premier has been briefed on the case since then and raised it with his Portuguese counterpart last month.

The unnamed lawyer, who claimed to represent one of the Tapas Nine, told the respected Spanish newspaper El Mundo: "My client feels obliged to keep silent about what he can do to help the investigation, and not because of the Portuguese secrecy laws.

"It's not that he is scared of the McCanns, but the economic and political lobby surrounding the couple is truly frightening to anybody.

"What my client wants is to reveal the whole truth, but he does not mean to accuse or blame anyone, as that is the job of the police.

"The only thing he wants is to help the police discover the truth about what happened before, during and after that dinner on May 3."

McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell branded the report "utter rubbish" and insisted there was no rift between the couple and any of their friends.

He said the seven friends who dined with the McCanns that night only had one lawyer between them, and said he had not made any of the comments.


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nobodythereeither wrote:

tigger wrote:Well, the reconstruction was made 6 months ago. 

When we saw them in May looking for the first time in six years  truly distressed - was that because they'd been told that Gerry's. solid gold alibi had been ditched ?

Profuse apologies, I'm just catching up. What was Gerry's alibi for the time Martin Smith saw "him"?

Was it solely based on the Tapas 7's statements, or were there independent witnesses placing Gerry elsewhere (presumably at the tapas bar) at that time?

Because if the latter, then there's clearly a problem with Martin Smith's identification.

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sofieellis wrote:Hi, another newbie here - please be gentle  

I've read about half of this thread so far, and I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this question, so apologies if I'm in the wrong place.

Scotland Yard have said they have stripped the investigation right back to the start and begun all over again from the beginning, not assuming anything. Does that mean then, that they have re-interviewed the McCanns and the rest of the Tapas 9? It would seem to be the logical place to start a new investigion, but I haven't seen anything about this anywhere. Obviously it doesn't mean it hasn't happened, but I would have expected the press to pick up on it if they had all been dragged off to police stations to give interviews.

hello!

 I think because it's a review, they are going off statements as they were made at the time, re-opening the case may lead to new interviews taking place.   I could be wrong though.

riskybuisness wrote:
 I am open minded in this case as I have no idea what actually took place, however, I do think that Gerry and Kate should be charged with other offences while the investigation continues- the 1st of which should be the neglect or abandonment of their children- they have no alibi and not enough smoke and mirrors to get out of that one.

MoonGoddess wrote:

Angelique wrote:MoonGoddess

"It would be good to know where that Villa was"

Maybe it was this one referred to in this link.

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I remember seeing a picture of GA standing in front of a particular Villa but I can't now find the picture. It could be the one because it is described as being in the same vicinity.

Thank You Angelique :) that is novery interesting too! do you/anyone know if that narrative was taken from Mr Amaral's 'Truth of the Lie' documentary? if so I will watch it.... I think the fact that Mr Amaral is pointing in that direction is very telling...

SixMillionQuid wrote:Operation Grange do not consider the MCanns as suspects. As far as they are concerned they have been eliminated from enquiries. If they were of interest we would not have had the Crimewatch appeal which would have been proved to have been a waste of time of money - as the McCanns would be suspects wouldn't they?

So if I can turn the question around. If you consider Mr Redwood is playing blinder and 300 people called Crimewatch on Monday to say who it was, what are you expecting Mr Redwood and his team to do now?

russiandoll wrote:I do not think that the man was carrying Maddie.

endgame wrote:

russiandoll wrote:I do not think that the man was carrying Maddie.

That's interesting rd because it means that either it was Gerry carrying someone else or it was a completely unrelated innocent person who throws no light on the case whatsoever doesn't it? Or is there another explanation which I have missed?

Estelle wrote:I have been following this case since May, 2007 and it was been widely believed in the early days that Jane Tanner had seen a man on a previous night taking his child back from the creche so she used this idea to give the abduction idea credence and to blame Robert Murat. 

Many posters used to think that it was Gerry who was seen by Martin Smith and his family carrying a child as he wanted to give the abduction idea credence too initially but Jane Tanner later came up with her idea and they went along with that.  

The idea was to be a premeditated faked abduction by Gerry who was hoping to be seen but not recognised. No one would carry a dead child around PDL so most posters used to predict that Gerry carried either Jane Tanner's daughter or his sedated daughter, Amelie. He then hurried back to the apartment with her and put her in bed hence the delay in phoning the GNR.

I have always believed in the earlier death theory due to the phone records which were studied in depth by a previous poster here so IMO Maddie was already dead and in a freezer somewhere perhaps in empty Apartment J? and later moved to the Renault Scenic - hence the cadaver was found there.  Amaral stated that the body had been frozen. 

There is suspicion that a substitute Maddie lookalike (hence the discrepancy in photos) also called Madalene (but spelled differently) was signed into the creche all week so Maddie never went there. It is predicted that Gerry forged her father's signature so it was all planned in advance. This has all been reported to the PJ since and now SY are looking into the phone records.

MoonGoddess wrote:

Estelle wrote:Meanwhile remember this article Friends of McCanns 'scared to tell truth' from Tuesday, 12 November 2007 published in the Evening Standard and later on thisislondon.co.uk. Notice that the title and the article were updated, contents changed [deleted], the updated article can still be found [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

“It’s not that he is scared of the McCanns, but the economic and political lobby surrounding the couple is truly frightening to anybody.”

A friend of Kate and Gerry McCann wants to "reveal the whole truth" about the case but is frightened of the couple's political allies, a lawyer claimed yesterday.

One of the so-called Tapas Nine wants to help Portuguese police with the six-month investigation but "feels obliged to keep silent", according to the unnamed legal source.

The lawyer attacked the intervention of "certain politicians" in the case and said they had prejudiced the hunt to discover what really happened to Madeleine McCann. Prime Minister Gordon Brown and Foreign Secretary David Miliband both spoke to the couple directly before the McCanns were made official suspects in the case.

Direct contact stopped when they were made arguidos in September but the Premier has been briefed on the case since then and raised it with his Portuguese counterpart last month.

The unnamed lawyer, who claimed to represent one of the Tapas Nine, told the respected Spanish newspaper El Mundo: "My client feels obliged to keep silent about what he can do to help the investigation, and not because of the Portuguese secrecy laws.

"It's not that he is scared of the McCanns, but the economic and political lobby surrounding the couple is truly frightening to anybody.

"What my client wants is to reveal the whole truth, but he does not mean to accuse or blame anyone, as that is the job of the police.

"The only thing he wants is to help the police discover the truth about what happened before, during and after that dinner on May 3."

McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell branded the report "utter rubbish" and insisted there was no rift between the couple and any of their friends.

He said the seven friends who dined with the McCanns that night only had one lawyer between them, and said he had not made any of the comments.


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You have great powers of recall!! without naming.... is it know who this is?

nobodythereeither wrote:

SixMillionQuid wrote:Operation Grange do not consider the MCanns as suspects. As far as they are concerned they have been eliminated from enquiries. If they were of interest we would not have had the Crimewatch appeal which would have been proved to have been a waste of time of money - as the McCanns would be suspects wouldn't they?

So if I can turn the question around. If you consider Mr Redwood is playing blinder and 300 people called Crimewatch on Monday to say who it was, what are you expecting Mr Redwood and his team to do now?

They are hardly going to come out publicly  and say the McCanns are suspects at this stage of the game, even if they are, are they?!

MoonGoddess wrote:

ShuBob wrote:

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The BBC I-player is no longer available so here's a YouTube link.

I was wondering this yesterday when I saw a message on Twitter from the BBC that "for legal reasons" the Crimewatch special was only available on iPlayer for 24 hours. Has that always been the case with Crimewatch i.e. it's only available for 24 hours after it airs?

not sure if it is a regular occurrence, but maybe done so as not to jeopardise any future charges/convictions

Estelle wrote:These witnesses also stated that Gerry McCann did not even go to check on the children, when he went away of the restaurant, and that he only stayed at the apartment of Praia da Luz entrance.

SixMillionQuid wrote:

nobodythereeither wrote:

SixMillionQuid wrote:Operation Grange do not consider the MCanns as suspects. As far as they are concerned they have been eliminated from enquiries. If they were of interest we would not have had the Crimewatch appeal which would have been proved to have been a waste of time of money - as the McCanns would be suspects wouldn't they?

So if I can turn the question around. If you consider Mr Redwood is playing blinder and 300 people called Crimewatch on Monday to say who it was, what are you expecting Mr Redwood and his team to do now?

They are hardly going to come out publicly  and say the McCanns are suspects at this stage of the game, even if they are, are they?!

When are they going to do it?

The problem I have is that if you've gone on record as saying "they are not suspects" you're making a definative statement. You've trawelled through the files compiled by the PJ, Leicester Police, Scotland Yard etc and you've ruled them out -the investigation has moved on to another suspect. That's how I understand Redwood's statement. He could have said "we have a number of possible suspects" and left it at that - the McCanns and their lawyers would not be able to do a thing about it.

If we assume Redwood is pulling a fast one and waiting for the right moment, when ever that is, you have to consider the McCann's lawyers would simply ask
- "why are you arresting my clients now when you've already ruled them out?".
- "Ermm because we ran out of suspects!?".

The only way you'll get handcuffs on them is if at least two members of the T9 confess or more forensic evidence is found. Until then all they need to do is keep quite and let British media continue with its hatchet job. Just my opinion

bristow wrote:

endgame wrote:

russiandoll wrote:I do not think that the man was carrying Maddie.

That's interesting rd because it means that either it was Gerry carrying someone else or it was a completely unrelated innocent person who throws no light on the case whatsoever doesn't it? Or is there another explanation which I have missed?

See Estelle's post above, not sure if RD thinks exactly the same but it's interesting reading.

rustyjames wrote:

Estelle wrote:These witnesses also stated that Gerry McCann did not even go to check on the children, when he went away of the restaurant, and that he only stayed at the apartment of Praia da Luz entrance.

Hi all,

Newbie here but lurked on the forums since the beginning and used to post on some of them occasionally early on.

Been following this thread with interest and this comment together with another referring to the sticker book timelines made me wonder about the following.

The second entry in the first timeline ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is quoted as "in the room".  It's probably the handwriting and has been discussed before but I see it as the following, however either way the "did he check" seemed a little odd.

"Jerry 9:10 - 9:15 in tv room + all well
? did he check"

rustyjames wrote:

Estelle wrote:These witnesses also stated that Gerry McCann did not even go to check on the children, when he went away of the restaurant, and that he only stayed at the apartment of Praia da Luz entrance.

Hi all,

Newbie here but lurked on the forums since the beginning and used to post on some of them occasionally early on.

Been following this thread with interest and this comment together with another referring to the sticker book timelines made me wonder about the following.

The second entry in the first timeline ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is quoted as "in the room".  It's probably the handwriting and has been discussed before but I see it as the following, however either way the "did he check" seemed a little odd.

"Jerry 9:10 - 9:15 in tv room + all well
? did he check"


"? did he check" is strange, it's like somebody put it down to be discussed later or something.

What seems even stranger - at least to me it seemed strange - is spelling of Gerry's name.

Mirage wrote:

SixMillionQuid wrote:

nobodythereeither wrote:

SixMillionQuid wrote:Operation Grange do not consider the MCanns as suspects. As far as they are concerned they have been eliminated from enquiries. If they were of interest we would not have had the Crimewatch appeal which would have been proved to have been a waste of time of money - as the McCanns would be suspects wouldn't they?

So if I can turn the question around. If you consider Mr Redwood is playing blinder and 300 people called Crimewatch on Monday to say who it was, what are you expecting Mr Redwood and his team to do now?

They are hardly going to come out publicly  and say the McCanns are suspects at this stage of the game, even if they are, are they?!

When are they going to do it?

The problem I have is that if you've gone on record as saying "they are not suspects" you're making a definative statement. You've trawelled through the files compiled by the PJ, Leicester Police, Scotland Yard etc and you've ruled them out -the investigation has moved on to another suspect. That's how I understand Redwood's statement. He could have said "we have a number of possible suspects" and left it at that - the McCanns and their lawyers would not be able to do a thing about it.

If we assume Redwood is pulling a fast one and waiting for the right moment, when ever that is, you have to consider the McCann's lawyers would simply ask
- "why are you arresting my clients now when you've already ruled them out?".
- "Ermm because we ran out of suspects!?".

The only way you'll get handcuffs on them is if at least two members of the T9 confess or more forensic evidence is found. Until then all they need to do is keep quite and let British media continue with its hatchet job. Just my opinion

The health of the pact is key. The T9 pact of silence was (ironically) mentioned by Payne way back. But where are the Paynes in the CW recon? Taking the silence pact too literally?
Things have changed and now it's a question of damage limitation. The T7 have choices to make as the pressure grows. They have families growing up under the taint of this case.
Meanwhile, the foot is being eased off the media brake pedal. Comments in the DM I have never seen the like of are appearing. Goncalo has been brought in from the cold. The Smith sighting that was left on the cutting room floor has been picked up and dusted down. The Tanner sighting has been relegated to the cutting room floor to be picked up and dusted down at a later date, one hopes.
I think the pressure cooker is humming away nicely on the back burner for the moment.
From where I'm standing, everyone is deserting the sinking ship. All of a sudden the stigma of criticising TM has done a volte face, and all in plain sight - just like the past masters.

candyfloss wrote:The McCanns claim to have released the video SixMillionQuid

Welcome to the forum.

SixMillionQuid wrote:

candyfloss wrote:The McCanns claim to have released the video SixMillionQuid

Welcome to the forum.

They did!? When was that?

Did Kate take credit for it in her book?

SixMillionQuid:
I remember the Gerry McCann's "f*** off" video that appeared on Youtube. Only David Payne could have released that video because he filmed it on his mobile phone and now he's vanished without a trace.

Ayniia wrote:

MoonGoddess wrote:

Angelique wrote:MoonGoddess

"It would be good to know where that Villa was"

Maybe it was this one referred to in this link.

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I remember seeing a picture of GA standing in front of a particular Villa but I can't now find the picture. It could be the one because it is described as being in the same vicinity.

Thank You Angelique :) that is novery interesting too! do you/anyone know if that narrative was taken from Mr Amaral's 'Truth of the Lie' documentary? if so I will watch it.... I think the fact that Mr Amaral is pointing in that direction is very telling...

The Vila Mr Amaral is in the documentary is the one rented by the Mccanns.