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Post by PeterMac 07.07.13 17:08

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/maddie-donal-macintyre-investigates-baffling-cold-case
Donal MacIntyre travelled to Praia da Luz to investigate how two kidnappers must have been needed to abduct Madeleine McCann
Saturday 6th July 2013
Sunday World investigative journalist Donal MacIntyre reports from Praia da Luz where he conducted a cold case review of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The new Police theory for the disappearance of Madeleine McCann corresponds to a review of the case  by the Sunday World cold case team   based upon the statements of the tapas seven and witnesses talked to on the ground which indicated that at least two people were involved in the abduction  who must have carried out several dry runs in inside the McCanns’ apartment in the days leading up to her abduction.

Our team concluded that such was the limited time for the kidnapping,  that the kidnappers must have entered the apartment to rehearse because they were working to an incredibly tight timetable.

Essentially, they were working on an abduction time frame of some three minutes which left no margin for error. It is clear that the kidnap must also have involved meant that culprits were very close to capture at a number of points but through pannning and luck managed to evade immediate suspicion on the evening of the abduction.
That evening having settled  Madeleine, then three, and their then two year old twins, Sean and Amelie, Gerry and Kate McCann had a glass of wine before heading off to the Tapas bar,  a minutes walk  away, to join their holidaying friends, Jane Tanner and her Partner, Russell O’Brien, Rachel and Mathew Oldfield, David and Fiona Payne and Diane Webster.
At around nine o’clock Gerry McCann left  the table and walked over to the apartment to check on the twins and Maddie.

He entered the apartment  and then went to the toilet. He checked on his children and savoured a proud father’s moment as he stood by the doorway looking into the back bedroom where they were all soundly asleep. The twins were in cots and Maddie in bed, holding her cuddle cat.
Gerry spends up to ten minutes in the five room apartment  and would only later reflect that he felt there was someone else there at the same time.
For the kidnap to have taken place   we must assume that literally a few minutes before Gerry arrived, the abductor walked along the public road by the apartment, opened the gate, walked up ten steps to the patio and then entered via the open patio doors. There is confusion as to whether these were open or not but if they were then this would have been the obvious entry point. The theory that the culprit has a key does not discount this entry because the suspect would take the easy route all the time.

At this stage the kidnapped could only have been a heartbeat away from being caught. But where could he have hidden?

Gerry walked through the front room, used the bathroom and looked in on the kids, but did he check his own bedroom or the kitchen?

The abductor was probably at that time in the children’s bedroom, possibly behind the door or crouching behind furniture.

During a dry run he or she would have found somewhere to hide, realizing that there was a strong liklihood of either Kate or Gerry returning  to check on the children. The Met believe that he had inside knowledge and they want the ex-employees of the complex and all the transient workers to be inteviewed again.

As Gerry  strolled out the patio doors, closing but not locking them, he left through the small vanilla gate facing the road where the adbuctor had entered just minutes before.
Just outside the apartment gate,  Gerry meets television producer, Jes Wilkins , on the way back to the Tapas Bar. The streets are silent other than for the murmer of their conversation. There is not another soul to be seen.
Back inside the apartment the abductor must have breathed a sigh of relief as Gerry departed but then realised his expected exit route was blocked.
So at this point the abductor makes contact with an accomplice hiding in the shadows nearby and instructs him or her to open the shutter, so that an escape can be made through the window with Maddie.
The front door was not an option because it could not be opened from the inside without a key unless he had a copy through an insider, also a new police line of inquiry.
Getting  Maddie away was the next problem for the perpetrator and in view of the lack of noise it is some substance was used to knock out Maddie probably, chloroform. The simple management of the abductaion and a little child with two other children in the room meant that  a second accomplice was essential to the abduction of Maddie.  

The abductor  inside the apartment  passed Maddie through the open window or door into the arms of the accomplice who spirits her away.

In the distance, around the side of the apartment, the voices of Gerry McCann and Jes Wilkins waft through the air. Imagine the fear in the  kidnappers as they heard Gerry’s voice resonate through the balmy Algarve air as they stole away his precious daughter.

What trauma would Maddie McCann have suffered if, paralyzed by fear, or forcefully kept silent, she heard the garrulous Glaswegian voice of her Dad waft through the air while she was being bundled into the hands of dangerous strangers.
I have walked these streets and conversations down by the gate can be heard by the children’s bedroom window on still nights.
Unnoticed by Wilkins and McCann;  at the same time ( aprox 9.10pm ) Jane Tanner observes the two men, having a chat on the street outside the apartment. She walks past both men. She sees them but they don’t see her.
The kidnapper holding Maddie, retreats away from 5A and into the adjacent car park before heading right 20m away onto the public footpath where a short distance away downhill,McCann and Wilkins are still talking.
The accomplice makes his way out of the window and exits into the darkness.
By now the kidnappers must have thought they had got away with it, but in reality they were on the brink of being caught in the act.

Here the kidnapper holding Maddie was about to make a near fatal mistake. Despite hearing the voices of Madeline’s father a short distance away, he plans to cross the road junction just above them.
As he hit the footpath, he would have seen both men chatting;  and Jane Tanner heading his way – three potential witnesses to the abduction, including the father of the child.
The smart thing for the kidnapper to do would have been to cautiously look down the road from the corner to check who was on it –before making the crossing.
So why take such a potentially disastrous course of action?

Was he desperate to get to the getaway car parked nearby? More likely there could have been people walking around from the left and he did not want to pass them not realizing that by crossing the junction and into the light of a street lamp he was exposing himself to capture.

My belief was that he had to make a rendezvous with the getaway driver in a 4x4 if the latest police theory is true that Maddie was kidnapped by or for  a childless couple.
The seven seconds he took to cross the road was either well planed, foolhardy or a sign of breathtaking confidence, in any case,  the kidnapper never faltered and was never seen again.
Jane Tanner says that the man  was carrying a small child. She now believes upon reflection, that that man was carrying Maddie McCann. This is the theory supported by the Metropolitan Police and the McCann investigators and concurrs with our own cold case review.
It takes about 30 seconds to walk from the back bedroom window to the junction where Jane Tanner saw the kidnapper.
The Tapas seven gave detailed statements on when they check out and looked in on their respective children and these timings indicate  that there was a maximum of three to five minutes for the abduction to be executed and Maddie to be whisked away.

In such circumstances only good planning and co-ordination could make this child heist possible without being caught directly in the act.
It would be  an extraordinary effort,  with an astonishing degree of  luck beyond credulity to think that this could be achieved on a completely  opportunistic basis.
This is not the work of an opportunistic drifter. This abduction was interrupted by Gerry McCann‘s visit to check on his children.
Experts point out that  the execution of the kidnap, leaving little useable evidence suggests that it was a highly professional operation.
Such precision could either be the hallmark of fixated obsessive sexual predators but also of obsessive childless couples who may be so desperate to have children that they would abduct a child to fill the gap in their lives.


Surely this is a spoof !   If so it is brilliant. Every cliche is there, even down to the odourless chloroform, using the window OR the door - who can tell . . .   Hilarious.
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Post by Guest 07.07.13 17:26

This sounds like a regurgitation of an earlier report by Donut (sorry, Donal) Macintyre.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLwzIxpQgfs

How did he manage to keep a straight face?
 
The Sunday World is based in the Irish Republic, I think. Perish the thought that the British press could print anything so silly!
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Post by jozi 07.07.13 17:34

Always thought Ole Donal Macintyre was taking the P... Is this regurgitated ?
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Post by Guest 07.07.13 17:39

This is definitely at least the second time round for this heap of manure. No, not Donal personally, I won't be that rude.
 
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/128671/Madeleine-I-know-how-she-was-taken
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Post by marconi 07.07.13 17:42

That Donal wrote funny stories about the abduction, before. I think he was working for the Express, that time.

Rebekah Brooks achieved her goal.
After Kate's book, the issue was exhausted and Brooks managed to demand the Met police getting involved in the case and the media have  a lot more to talk about now.

The parents 'letter to Cameron on the Sun was a Brooks' trap and the McCanns are  victims of their own stupidity.

Very good, very good.
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Post by PeterMac 07.07.13 17:53

The more I read it, the more I am convinced it is a hilarious spoof, designed to point up the absolute absurdity of the "official account", but keeping slightly ahead of C-R.
Almost everything he says is a "reductio ad absurdam", along the lines of what many of us have posted here over the years.

It deserves a wider audience.

They are also accepting comments !
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Post by lufc50337 07.07.13 18:09

Definitely a spoof and all points covered as per their statements
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Post by Guest 07.07.13 18:17

Absolutely brilliant..




that at least two people were involved in the abduction  who must have carried out several dry runs in inside the McCanns’ apartment in the days leading up to her abduction.

Our team concluded that such was the limited time for the kidnapping,  that the kidnappers must have entered the apartment to rehearse because they were working to an incredibly tight timetable.

Essentially, they were working on an abduction time frame of some three minutes which left no margin for error.


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Post by Woofer 07.07.13 18:18

This bit creases me up - "Our team concluded that such was the limited time for the kidnapping,  that the kidnappers must have entered the apartment to rehearse because they were working to an incredibly tight timetable."

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Post by ShuBob 07.07.13 18:19

He's clearly taking the wee wee. Nah. I can't imagine he's being serious. He's pointing out the absurdity of the Tapas 9's testimonies. Surely????
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Post by Guest 07.07.13 18:19

I apologise profusely for calling Donal a donut; he must indeed be having a laugh!
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Post by ShuBob 07.07.13 18:31

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I apologise profusely for calling Donal a donut; he must indeed be having a laugh!

It would be very scary and quite worrying if he is being serious scratchhead 
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Post by comperedna 07.07.13 18:44

What would be the purpose of kidnapping MBM? She was the wrong age for just about anything, and for people looking for children to 'abduct' there are many easier places to take them, from with much less chance of being seen or caught. The kidnap thing just does not add up!
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Post by Guest 07.07.13 18:49

My belief was that he had to make a rendezvous with the getaway driver in a 4x4 if the latest police theory is true that Maddie was kidnapped by or for  a childless couple.
The seven seconds he took to cross the road was either well planed, foolhardy or a sign of breathtaking confidence, in any case,  the kidnapper never faltered and was never seen again.
Jane Tanner says that the man  was carrying a small child. She now believes upon reflection, that that man was carrying Maddie McCann. This is the theory supported by the Metropolitan Police and the McCann investigators and concurrs with our own cold case review.
It takes about 30 seconds to walk from the back bedroom window to the junction where Jane Tanner saw the kidnapper.
The Tapas seven gave detailed statements on when they check out and looked in on their respective children and these timings indicate  that there was a maximum of three to five minutes for the abduction to be executed and Maddie to be whisked away.


An abductor, an accomplice and a getaway driver. Why didn't the rest of us think of this? Maybe I've been watching too much CSI because I'm wondering why such an organized gang didn't have a 4th member watching the comings and goings at the Tapas.

I think it's trying to be a clever spoof. But come to think of it every childless couple I know also drive 4x4's.
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Post by comperedna 07.07.13 18:50

There are simpler and more plausible explanations as to what happened. Occam's razor folks! Restricting the scope of evidence gathering makes proof sufficient to make a case stick more difficult, of course. However, the Yard will have problems proving any of their far more fanciful and elaborate scenarios.
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Post by Guest 07.07.13 18:53

ShuBob wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I apologise profusely for calling Donal a donut; he must indeed be having a laugh!

It would be very scary and quite worrying if he is being serious scratchhead 

There is still a doubt in my mind as to his intentions. If he was an anonymous blogger known for his satirical reports on current events, we'd say immediately that he was pointing out the lunacy of the official story.

However, the fact that he was known until then for dealing with important issues makes me wonder if this report is supposed to be taken seriously.
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So at this point the abductor makes contact with an accomplice hiding in the shadows nearby and instructs him or her to open the shutter, so that an escape can be made through the window with Maddie.





So he was inside the apartment and could raise the shutters easily  and more quietly with the cord, but no, he asks the accomplice to try and lever them up from the outside, and somehow make them stay up.  All in 3 minutes  big grin
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candyfloss wrote:So at this point the abductor makes contact with an accomplice hiding in the shadows nearby and instructs him or her to open the shutter, so that an escape can be made through the window with Maddie.





So he was inside the apartment and could raise the shutters easily  and more quietly with the cord, but no, he asks the accomplice to try and lever them up from the outside, and somehow make them stay up.  All in 3 minutes  big grin


Note the abductor could be a him or her what does that say about JT's description and artist sketch.
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Post by PeterMac 07.07.13 18:56

As the comments come in it is clear people are understanding it as a spoof, but the tragedy is that it merely ties up all the "facts" we have been given by TM and strings them together.
Can TM,CM and C-R together not understand that their whole story is a fabrication, and has been from day 1
Perhaps Mitchell can give Clarriefication
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Post by Smokeandmirrors 07.07.13 18:59

Love the bit where Donal says the abductor could have been caught by Gerry or Kate during a check. If the witness statement of Pamela Fenn for the previous night is true, he would have thought he had over an hour!! 

What a load of tosh.

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Post by ShuBob 07.07.13 19:00

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No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I apologise profusely for calling Donal a donut; he must indeed be having a laugh!

It would be very scary and quite worrying if he is being serious scratchhead 

There is still a doubt in my mind as to his intentions. If he was an anonymous blogger known for his satirical reports on current events, we'd say immediately that he was pointing out the lunacy of the official story.

However, the fact that he was known until then for dealing with important issues makes me wonder if this report is supposed to be taken seriously.

When he first wrote about his "cold case review" some time ago, I believed he was being serious. This is just a rehash of that so he may be serious.

Scary stuff!
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Post by ShuBob 07.07.13 19:12

candyfloss wrote:
candyfloss wrote:So at this point the abductor makes contact with an accomplice hiding in the shadows nearby and instructs him or her to open the shutter, so that an escape can be made through the window with Maddie.





So he was inside the apartment and could raise the shutters easily  and more quietly with the cord, but no, he asks the accomplice to try and lever them up from the outside, and somehow make them stay up.  All in 3 minutes  big grin


Note the abductor could be a him or her  what does that say about JT's description and artist sketch.

Well, we have Edgar on record saying JT could have seen a man or a woman.
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Post by Guest 07.07.13 19:55

This is such a relieve for me. At the time everyone was criticising the guy, whereas I thought he was doing a PERFECT spoof. I will see if I can find the video...
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Post by ShuBob 07.07.13 19:58

Châtelaine wrote:This is such a relieve for me. At the time everyone was criticising the guy, whereas I thought he was doing a PERFECT spoof. I will see if I can find the video...

Don't feel relieved just yet. We are assuming it's a spoof for the sake of our sanity (well, I am) big grin 
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Post by tasprin 07.07.13 20:46

I'm not sure what Donal McIntyres motives are in publishing this piece (for a second time) but he is no fool, so I find it hard to believe he is genuine about his own loopy theory. He is certainly aware that the authorities hoodwink the general public in the most despicable ways. This is what he said in a programme I recorded a few weeks ago:

“There is an extended issue which the General Medical Council has. In the past, and I’ve done a programme about this for channel 5, they’ve actually reinstated people with convictions, and serious sex crime convictions, including one gynaecologist, who will remain unnamed, but who was reinstated as a gynaecologist 3 years after he was convicted for rape. And what’s more, which I was distressed with, is that there’s no requirement for him to be supervised, no requirement for him to have a chaperone in terms of treatment and, of course, while the authorities would know he has a conviction for rape, what happens is that none of his patients, his new patients, would know. And so I think the GMC still has a great deal of work to ensure those people… and I think they have significantly improved”

And this man's patients are deliberately kept in the dark by the GMC. How would they feel if they knew, could they sue the GMC?
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Post by Lance De Boils 07.07.13 21:24

It is rather brilliant and utterly hilarious! It is clearly a pip take.

[This wasn't really written by THE Donal, was it?]
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Post by Beanie 07.07.13 21:43

When Donal did this first time round he was on twitter and believe me he was blocking people let right and centre. It certainly appeared at the time that he was being very serious about his ridiculous theory. Does anyone else remember his tweets?
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Post by Hobs 07.07.13 22:41

Donut has to be extractuing the urine, he has been atching too many Bond movies.

Firstly why make practice runs in the apartment?

If the children were already there for them to practice on ( why didn't you come when we were crying, to which kate wondered if it was because someone had gone into the room) why not abduct her there and then?
F Did they do the drugging etc and the rush to escape to put her back in her bed and say, great the abduction is on tommorow, we got it down to under 2 mins.

How come no one heard the metal shutters being opened?

You can here them being open and closed in town centres which are busy, in a silent street late at night it would have made one hell of a racket or were they suddenly struck deaf?

What's with the childless couple having her abducted?

This isn't the good old days you know.

These days you can use umpteen forms of IVF to have your own baby, you can hire a surrogate to have one for you, you can adopt from pretty much any color picking a child in a range of colors.

A childless couple is not going to want an almost 4 year old who can talk and tell people the truth,  they will want  a newborn to infant who they can raise the way they want and not have to worry about the child saying these are my parents.

Even women who abduct a child because they can't have one of their own for whatever reason target eith pre-borns or newbors so they can pass it off as her own.

Abduction by a paedophile is possible and would account for taking her, again though it depends on his preferences, why not take Amelie?
If abducted by paedophile then she was dead within hours, statistics tell us this.

The evidence found( and there is evidence since they aren't denying it was found only that there is a reasonable explanation for it being present( diapers, rotting meat and sweaty sandals)

Police look for what is there that shouldn't be and also what should be there that isn't.

Kate tells us there is no book on how to behave when a child goes missing, actually there is as well as decades of records and documentation.

Innocent parents will act a specific way and it will always be consistent.

Guilty people act  a specific way and again it is consistent.

They are complete opposites.

Assume the subject is telling the truth, you know what to expect, what to hear and see, you know how you yourself would react in the same situation, it is instinctive.

When the language and the behavior of the subject differs from the expected it needs to be noted,when the expected is deviated from and where, things like missing pronouns, temporal lacuna, emotions in the perfect place, whether thay have taken a poly and the result, have they cooperated and so on.

Listen to what they say rather than what we think they meant, the mind thinks the words a microsecond before they are spoken.

Lying is stressfuland people will try an avoid it by sharing guilt (we) lying by ommision, (i didn't do that - becomes you didn't do that so what did you do -  for there to be a that(distancing) there has to be a this(close)

The brain wants to tell the truth and if we listen careful we will hear what it has to say.

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Post by Guest 07.07.13 22:50

Hobs wrote:[...] The brain wants to tell the truth and if we listen careful we will hear what it has to say.
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I couldn't agree more. It's very tiresome to lie and to continue for a long period. The brain slips in the occasional truth.
We've seen quite some of them.
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Post by PeterMac 07.07.13 23:12

It is surely a spoof !
I have sent it to Grange with the comment that "Now even the Press are beginning take the Piss."
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