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Post by Guest 25.05.13 11:50

I think that's where his sons live with their mother, JD. I would love to know though why he left early and why he hasn't published the photo he claims to have of Madeleine in PDL.
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Post by jd 25.05.13 12:00

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I think that's where his sons live with their mother, JD. I would love to know though why he left early and why he hasn't published the photo he claims to have of Madeleine in PDL.

Most probably because he doesn't have that photo. He just said this to shut us up

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Post by Guest 25.05.13 12:04

It didn't work, did it?! Shutting us up, that is.

Maybe the photo does exist but with a child in the background who could be anybody; no proof at all that it was Madeleine.
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Post by PeterMac 25.05.13 12:05

The Mail comments have allowed one from a woman in Thun, Switzerland who remembers reports that the case was investigated and the man was ruled out because he was not in Portugal at the time.
Oh that we could contact her !
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No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:It didn't work, did it?! Shutting us up, that is..

Nooooooo big grin

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Post by bristow 25.05.13 12:22

Going to post the whole of the 2007 Mail article here, as it's sure to be wooshed.

Madeleine: Police to show her parents picture of child snatcher suspect who killed himself
Last updated at 15:56 07 August 2007

Detectives investigating the possibility that Madeleine was taken by a child snatcher who later killed himself are to show her parents a photograph of the dead suspect.
Urs Von Aesch, 67, shot himself in the head and was the prime suspect in the disappearance of five-year-old Swiss girl Ylenia Lenhard, who went missing last week.
The links between Ylenia and Madeleine are striking - they are only a year apart in age, both are blonde and both are of a similar build and height.
It was reported in the Swiss press that detectives in Portugal are to show his photograph to Kate and Gerry McCann after it emerged Von Aesch was on holiday in the Algarve at the beginning of May, when their daughter was snatched.
Police also believe another man, who was earlier gunned down by Von Aesch, could hold the key to solving the mystery.
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Urs Hans Von Aesch, right, shot himself in a Swiss forest. He was the chief suspect over missing Ylenia Lenhard, left


Read more...
Police 'find blood on walls of Madeleine abduction flat'
I'm still sure it was Madeleine, says Belgian cafe woman
Kate McCann reveals agony of her five-year fight to be a mother


Detectives are keeping a vigil by the hospital bed of the shot man, hoping he was about to blow the whistle on the child abductor before he was gunned down.
Through Interpol, Swiss police informed colleagues in Spain and Portugal after learning that Von Aesch lived near Alicante and was also on holiday in the Algarve when Madeleine disappeared.
Officers in St Gallen in central Switzerland close to where Ylenia disappeared, have also re-opened files on five other girls who disappeared in the area before Von Aesch moved to Benimantell on the Spanish coast.
His wife who is still in Spain has been questioned by detectives and they are also checking the movements of his Spanish registered white Renault van.
Hans Peter Eugster, a Swiss police spokesman, said: "Because of the similarities in both cases and because Von Aesch lived in Spain we have informed Interpol.
"They in turn have passed on the details to both colleagues in Spain and Portugal and they are looking into reports that Von Aesch was on holiday in the Algarve.
"In our case he is the prime suspect in the disappearance of Ylenia and his body was found near to where some of her belongings were found."
Ylenia was last seen a week ago after she went to her local swimming pool at Appenzell in north east Switzerland.
Hours later a backpack was found in nearby woods at Oberburen which contained her cycling helmet and her scooter was also recovered close by.
Twenty-four hours later in the same woods police discovered the body of Von Aesch who had died from a self-inflicted gunshot to the head.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-473543/Madeleine-Police-parents-picture-child-snatcher-suspect-killed-himself.html#ixzz2UInhBtSg
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Post by ShuBob 25.05.13 12:36

The best chance of solving the Maddie mystery is by the Portuguese authorities so one has to wonder whose interest is best served by denigrating them.
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Post by jeanmonroe 25.05.13 12:40

"DUZ I GETZ A BONUS SARGE, FOR GETTING THE PAPE TO SAY ABOUT THE DIRTY, F***ING PAEDO PERV HAVINGS A WHITE VAN, LIKES WOT WE SAID WE WUZ GONNA SAY AT EVERY OPPORTUNITZ? I RECKONS THE DIRTY PERV ALSO KILLED ALL THEM CLEANER PAEDOS THAT WOT WUZ IN THE WHITE VAN, SARGE"

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Post by plebgate 25.05.13 13:08

PeterMac wrote:Exactly so.
Then
Madeleine: Police to show her parents picture of child snatcher suspect who killed himself 07 August 2007
Detectives investigating the possibility that Madeleine was taken by a child snatcher who later killed himself are to show her parents a photograph of the dead suspect.
Urs Von Aesch, 67, shot himself in the head and was the prime suspect in the disappearance of five-year-old Swiss girl Ylenia Lenhard, who went missing last week.
The links between Ylenia and Madeleine are striking - they are only a year apart in age, both are blonde and both are of a similar build and height.
It was reported in the Swiss press that detectives in Portugal are to show his photograph to Kate and Gerry McCann after it emerged Von Aesch was on holiday in the Algarve at the beginning of May, when their daughter was snatched.
And now
Was Maddie snatched by monster who killed this little lookalike? That's the dramatic new lead uncovered by British detectives. . . so why are the Portuguese police refusing to investigate?

Wouldn't it have been better to show J. Tanner or am I missing something?

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At this rate the SY are going to end up looking as daft as the PIs.
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Post by jd 25.05.13 13:08

Having read todays article, I do not see any evidence of why Urs Hans von Aesch is the man who took Maddie

He was staying in Alicante (which is hundreds of miles away), comes from Switzerland, kidnapped and murdered a 5 year old blonde lookalike 5 months later (in Switzerland), oh but he has visited the Algarve in the past......IS THIS IT!!

Is this the "dramatic new lead uncovered by British detectives."...wow wow, just bloody wow! Well done SY with all your "elite" team and years to investigate this story on British taxpayers expense. A paedo in another country snatched a a lookalike blonde girl. Just brilliant work! I wonder how many Maddie blonde lookalike girls there were in Mark Warner alone that week! Let alone the world

Where is there any EVIDENCE that shows he took Maddie? Seen in Praia De Luz perhaps? DNA maybe?

"He was living near Alicante in Spain with his wife, but border records show that, driving a white van, von Aesch re-entered Switzerland on July 10. " - Is this really and truly evidence?????? or even suspicion????


This story is such bull its absolutely staggering...and another rehashed story. Just like the Taxi story rehashed and altered to suit the mccann agenda, or the Ibiza photo that was used for a Maddie sighting in Brazil

Oh by the way daily mail.... "Only now, with the intervention of an elite team of detectives from Scotland Yard which has been carrying out a review of the case on David Cameron’s orders" - David Cameron did not order the SY review, he was "persuaded" to by his best pal Rebekkah Brooks, yes thats right a newspaper editor telling the prime minister what to do

"Detectives are now ‘actively’ examining mobile phone traffic in the Praia da Luz area on the day Madeleine was last seen" - Do check the mobiles of the Tapas 9 and robert murat. Especially the mccanns and murat in the days prior to May 3rd. Let see what this "elite' team cam come up with

"Experts will tell you that what happens in the immediate aftermath of a child going missing — the so-called golden hour — is critical. Yet Portuguese police took four days to even issue a description of Madeleine." - Its a bit hard to have a definitive description when the witness (jane tanner) changes who she saw from blonde hair, dark hair, clean shaven, moustache, glasses no glasses, man, woman!! And only seeing the back of the "person' in the dark. Plus in the so called golden hour, the Tapas lot were ringing the media sky news/BBC news, kate mccann didn't even search and just stayed in the apartment with her drugged up twins who did not even stir all night despite all the commotion

"The only British involvement in the case before this was that of Leicestershire police, the McCanns’ local force, who were responsible for collating all the investigation work carried out on behalf of their Portuguese counterparts, such as interviewing British witnesses." - Yes, and holding back and keeping quiet critical statements like the gaspar statement from the official police investigation. Isn't it the job of the police to investigate all possibilities? Not withhold them and bury them for 6 months until the lead investigator is sacked by the British Prime Minister for getting to the truth

THey were not the only British Involvement daily mail...stop lying. gerry mccann had a hotline to 10 Downing Street. Gordon Brown phoned john mccann to help advise him how the limited company could gain charitable status

"Two private detectives employed by the McCanns, Dave Edgar and Arthur Cowley, have also been interviewed."... one can only just LOL about these 2 clowns big grin

"In his report, Chief Inspector Tavares da Almeida concluded — without a shred of hard evidence — that Madeleine had died in the flat......" 11 alerts to cadaver and blood all associated to one and only THE MCCANNS. From their apartment 5A, car, clothes, toys. The mccanns had death cadaver all over them...But ignore that, they hadn't been to Alicante I must admit!

"Could a police officer have made a more catastrophic misjudgement?" ....The "elite" SY team together with the Daily Mail are doing just this

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Post by PeterMac 25.05.13 13:13

"In his report, Chief Inspector Tavares da Almeida concluded — without a shred of hard evidence — that Madeleine had died in the flat......"
Try telling that to
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all of whom are rotting in prison on the basis of the alerts by cadaver dogs.
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Post by plebgate 25.05.13 13:16

It really is about time now that the government told the public just how long the SY Review is going to last and exactly how much it is all costing.

£4.5 million spent ony to come up with this re-hashed twaddle.

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Post by Guest 25.05.13 13:21

This latest article is so, so crazy and in pertinent contradiction with their 2007 article on the same paedo and can so, so easily be disproved, that I'm starting to believe that there's indeed something being orchestrated, but NOT what it seems to be ...
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Post by bristow 25.05.13 13:38

If something isn't being orchestrated then this is going to be one of the top whitewashes, up there with Jimmy Savile et al.
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Post by bristow 25.05.13 13:42

Quite a few comments from The Fail article saying that the story was covered in 2007, surprised they're allowing them through, although they haven't allowed my comment about the cadaver dogs or my link to their 2007 article.
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Post by Guest 25.05.13 14:03

plebgate wrote:It really is about time now that the government told the public just how long the SY Review is going to last and exactly how much it is all costing.

£4.5 million spent ony to come up with this re-hashed twaddle.

Yes it is about time plebgate, were still waiting to hear the under pressure stament from Theresa May!
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Post by PeterMac 25.05.13 14:09

bristow wrote:Quite a few comments from The Fail article saying that the story was covered in 2007, surprised they're allowing them through, although they haven't allowed my comment about the cadaver dogs or my link to their 2007 article.
They haven't allowed any of mine so far, even though I toned them right down.

I have, however, emailed the news desk.
news@dailymail.co.uk
with a polite reminder with the link, that they did it 6 years ago.
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Post by Lance De Boils 25.05.13 14:15

They've got this bloke's white van. Any traces from Maddie in it? A hair? Some DNA? Anything?
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Post by bristow 25.05.13 14:34

PeterMac wrote:
bristow wrote:Quite a few comments from The Fail article saying that the story was covered in 2007, surprised they're allowing them through, although they haven't allowed my comment about the cadaver dogs or my link to their 2007 article.
They haven't allowed any of mine so far, even though I toned them right down.

I have, however, emailed the news desk.
news@dailymail.co.uk
with a polite reminder with the link, that they did it 6 years ago.
Good idea PM, I will do the same.
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Post by suzyjohnson 25.05.13 14:35

' ........... Yet Portuguese police took four days to even issue a description of Madeleine ................' And why would they even do that when her photograph was on Sky news from 4th May onwards?

I don't know what the Daily Mail is playing at, unless it's for dramatic headlines later on?



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Post by aiyoyo 25.05.13 14:52

PeterMac wrote:Exactly so.
Then
Madeleine: Police to show her parents picture of child snatcher suspect who killed himself 07 August 2007
Detectives investigating the possibility that Madeleine was taken by a child snatcher who later killed himself are to show her parents a photograph of the dead suspect.

But Mr & Mrs said there is no evidence Maddie has come to any harm.
So if this guy killed himself after snatching a child and so what did he do with the child then?
Since SY has the identity of this guy surely you would think they would track down his family and try to ask about Maddie whereabout. If he hadn't left Maddie anywhere or with anyone then it goes without saying Maddie is dead.

A fat lot of good for the Police to have shown (purportedly) Mccanns the photo of the dead man -- not as if the Mccanns can identify the guy (phantom) who took Maddie?


Urs Von Aesch, 67, shot himself in the head and was the prime suspect in the disappearance of five-year-old Swiss girl Ylenia Lenhard, who went missing last week.
The links between Ylenia and Madeleine are striking - they are only a year apart in age, both are blonde and both are of a similar build and height.
It was reported in the Swiss press that detectives in Portugal are to show his photograph to Kate and Gerry McCann after it emerged Von Aesch was on holiday in the Algarve at the beginning of May, when their daughter was snatched.
And now
Was Maddie snatched by monster who killed this little lookalike? That's the dramatic new lead uncovered by British detectives. . . so why are the Portuguese police refusing to investigate?
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Post by bristow 25.05.13 14:53

Here's my email to the Mail.

Dear Sir/Madam,

With regard to your headlines of today 25th May 2013 concerning the new lead regarding Urs Hans von Aesch.
This isn't a new lead, this was investigated at the time by the Portuguese police.
You even ran a story at the time about it,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-473543/Madeleine-Police-parents-picture-child-snatcher-suspect-killed-himself.html

I believe your headline to be very misleading and it's about time a British newspaper had some guts to confront the real issues that the vast majority of the British public question continually, the findings of the cadaver and blood dogs, Eddie and Keela, the vastly inconsistent timeline from the 'tapas 7' the sighting by the Smith family and the deleted phone records of the Mccanns and their friends, along with many other inconsistencies.
All this can be found in the PJ files which are freely available for the general public to read on the internet.

I look forward to hearing what your thoughts are.

Kind regards

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Post by aiyoyo 25.05.13 15:02

PeterMac wrote:
"In his report, Chief Inspector Tavares da Almeida concluded — without a shred of hard evidence — that Madeleine had died in the flat......"
Try telling that to
Zapata
Lane
Gilroy
Bulloch
Dickens
Gifford-Hull

all of whom are rotting in prison on the basis of the alerts by cadaver dogs.

Now that Hamish Campbell has got his few minutes fame, the case is done and dusted far as MET are concerned.
Money and time well spent the MET would justify - after all they came up with not 1 suspects but 20 possible suspects - quite a feat . One child-snatcher is dead, so that's one eliminated and 19 more to go. This open-end review could carrying on unofficially for years....yet ...which is just down Mccanns alleys...

Forget about the dogs. We can all go home now,
Dogs are incredible unreliable.....
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Post by PeterMac 25.05.13 15:18

Mine was
Sir,
Your article today
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2330660/Madeleine-McCann-Was-Maddie-snatched-monster-killed-little-lookalike-British-detectives-uncover-dramatic-new-lead--Portuguese-refusing-investigate.html
Was Maddie snatched by monster who killed this little lookalike? That's the dramatic new lead uncovered by British detectives. . . so why are the Portuguese police refusing to investigate?
Scotland Yard detectives have a list of 30 potential suspects
One of them is peadophile and child murderer Urs Hans von Aesch who killed himself in woodland
Von Aesch murdered five-year-old only five months after Maddie disappeared
But Portuguese police STILL dragging heels over investigation

Is a re-hash of one from 6 years ago

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-473543/Madeleine-Police-parents-picture-child-snatcher-suspect-killed-himself.html
Madeleine: Police to show her parents picture of child snatcher suspect who killed himself
Last updated at 15:56 07 August 2007
Detectives investigating the possibility that Madeleine was taken by a child snatcher who later killed himself are to show her parents a photograph of the dead suspect.
Urs Von Aesch, 67, shot himself in the head and was the prime suspect in the disappearance of five-year-old Swiss girl Ylenia Lenhard, who went missing last week.
The links between Ylenia and Madeleine are striking - they are only a year apart in age, both are blonde and both are of a similar build and height.
It was reported in the Swiss press that detectives in Portugal are to show his photograph to Kate and Gerry McCann after it emerged Von Aesch was on holiday in the Algarve at the beginning of May, when their daughter was snatched

Only this time you have injected slightly more xenophobia and abuse.
The portuguese police clearly did NOT drag their feet 6 years ago. They dealt with the issue at the time, which is why they will not go through it all again.
I think you may find that they know precisely what happened, as do many journalists in Britain. All that is lacking is the substantive proof ! And that may take a really professional investigative journalist to uncover.
Yours sincerely
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Post by tigger 25.05.13 15:25

clapping1 PeterMac, I'm getting the impression that you've had just about enough of this rubbish. As Wodehouse used to say - it's hitting a new low on the Plimsoll line.


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Post by Casey5 25.05.13 15:49

Mine was:-


Dear Sir/Madam,

With reference to your article re Urs Hans von
Aesch being a new, albeit dead, lead in the Madeleine McCann case I would draw
your attention to an article from your own newspaper in 2007.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-473543/Madeleine-Police-parents-picture-child-snatcher-suspect-killed-himself.html


This story was investigated by the Portuguese police, at
the time and no connection with the McCann case was found then or
since.


It’s unfair to blame the PJ , they did their
best to find out what happened to Madeleine McCann, hampered by the parents and
their friends at every opportunity.

The McCanns could have asked for the case to
remain open when it was archived, they had that right, but they didn’t. They
could have persuaded their friends to return to PDL to take part in the
reconstruction which the police wanted and which might have thrown up new
evidence but they didn’t.


If you want to write an article on Madeleine
McCann do some research first instead of writing a load of garbage very likely
supplied by the McCann spokesman Clarence Mitchell.

Research the British dogs used by the British
police officer in the case, although Gerry McCann has described them, on
camera, as “incredibly unreliable”.

Finally the police in Portugal are unable to
re-open a case, this can only be done by the Portuguese Judiciary who require
new evidence.

Try doing some investigative journalism, read
the police files they’re all on the internet, you might well be surprised at
what you find.


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Post by jeanmonroe 25.05.13 16:43

Really quick.
WHY did they pretend to show the McCanns his photo?
THEY couldn't possibly have seen him, Kate sat on her a** til 10pm
Gerry didn't even SEE JT from TWO FEET AWAY AS SHE FLIPPED FLOPPED HER WAY PAST HIM!
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Post by PeterMac 25.05.13 18:11

Very interesting, if you look at the DM article now all the pro TM comments are heavily red arrowed, and all the ones pointing out that this is an old story have green ones.
Including MINE. They let it through !! Shock horror.
Someone, somewhere, some sub-editor has got some "cojones'.
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Post by Pinktulips 25.05.13 18:30

They let mine through too. It seems to depend on who is on duty. Last weekend there were so many 'anti' McCanns, I was heartened. And then they all got whooshed - it was such a blatant cull. Interesting to see how long the 'anti' comments last this weekend.
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Post by bristow 26.05.13 0:45

The comments are still there and more have appeared, here's a good one,

Now that the Help For Heros' Fund is getting well deserved donations as a result of the horrendous slaughter of Lee Rigby, we are reminded that the McCanns are still accepting donations despite the fact that Scotland Yard has a list of 30 potential suspects.
- Mary , Scarborough, 25/5/2013 19:47
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