Sunday Express tomorrow BRING THEM ALL BACK TO PORTUGAL

by russiandoll 04.05.13 23:05

you beat me to it CF.........omg indeed.

by ShuBob 04.05.13 23:05

Richard Desmond is certainly getting his pound of flesh Sunday Express tomorrow BRING THEM ALL BACK TO PORTUGAL 110921

by russiandoll 04.05.13 23:09

this is a major moment in this story, bloody hell.....

by ShuBob 04.05.13 23:11

May explain the look on the couple's faces at the recent Rothley gathering.

by **sharonl** 04.05.13 23:14

Robert Murat is calling for a filmed reconstruction of the night of May 3rd 2007

by aiyoyo 04.05.13 23:14

Golly, they must be peeing in the pants, and heading to their lawyers.

Well, the 'HUNT' is escalating alright......in opposite direction of Mccanns' bull****.

Oh dear, Mr Pinky, spin that!

by **PeterMac** 04.05.13 23:17

They all go back to Portugal to re-enact 1 minute and 20 seconds ? ? ?
I doubt it.
The only piece that is of any importance is the time from when Gerry LEFT the apartment to the time JT ": saw the abductor".
You need three people - JT, GM, and JW
and someone desperately trying to play the part of the abductor.
(Oh, and a small doll and a cuddle cat and a blanket !)
Everyone else and everything else is totally irrelevant.
And they have already done that bit, in the mockumentary, and it didn't work.

Working purely from the statements of Gerry McCann, Jeremy Wilkins, and Jane Tanner, and adding the time as we proceed we can estimate the following -

Gerry McCann left the Tapas bar 9:05 pm
Arrived at gate at bottom of stairs 9:06
Climbed stairs, entered apartment and went to bedroom 9:06.30s
Looked at children and had “proud father” moment 9:07
Used toilet 9:08
Left apartment, closing doors, went down stairs, met Jez Wilkins 9:09
Talked to Jez Wilkins 9:09 - 9:13 pm
Jane Tanner left Tapas bar 9:10 pm
JT arrived bottom of stairs, saw and passed the two men 9:11
JT saw abductor carrying child across top of road 9:11.05s

There is therefore, on their own timings, just two minutes and five seconds for the intruder to get in, seize Madeleine, get out again, and make his way round to the top of the road. To walk from the front door or window of the apartment to the left behind the low wall, then across the car park, then right to the corner of the street takes around 45 seconds. and a further 5 seconds to cross the street.
He has therefore around one minute and twenty seconds to enter, commit the crime, and exit.

This is an important point for the understanding of what happened.

Let it be stated once again.
If the man seen by Jane Tanner was the “abductor’ and was carrying Madeleine, as the McCanns insist, he had available to him the time from Gerry McCann’s leaving the apartment to the sighting by Jane Tanner. And no more.
In this time the intruder has to
• Enter the apartment
• Sedate all three children - in the dark
• Select Madeleine as the victim - in the dark
• Open the shutters and window - if he used the front door to enter
• Pick Madeleine out of her bed - in the dark
• Turn her round so that her head is now to his left, rather than to his right, which is the way he would have approached her in the bed.
• Exit the apartment, either through the opened window and shutters, or through the front door, which he must then close silently behind him.
• Walk to the left along the path in front of the apartment, walk straight ahead across the car park, and then walk to the right along the road, and cross the street in front of Jane Tanner, the father of the very child he had just abducted, and another man who has his own child in a buggy.

Taking into account the travelling time, he has around one minute and twenty seconds in which to achieve the first seven items on the list.

Carter-Ruck won't let them anywhere near a witness box.
No self respecting solicitor is going to let them do a reconstruction.

by Ayniia 04.05.13 23:18

I'm speechless... Sunday Express tomorrow BRING THEM ALL BACK TO PORTUGAL 609562

by ShuBob 04.05.13 23:20

Key 48 hours must be reenacted and Kate's 48 unanswered questions must be answered.

by Smokeandmirrors 04.05.13 23:23

ShuBob wrote:Richard Desmond is certainly getting his pound of flesh

£500,000 pounds of flesh!

by Guest 04.05.13 23:24

This and daily Mail and other recent articles look like the gates are opening ...

by russiandoll 04.05.13 23:26

Petermac can you elaborate please as I am confused :

Carter-Ruck won't let them anywhere near a witness box.
No self respecting solicitor is going to let them do a reconstruction.

Will they have a choice if police say this is required as part of the review? No one can oppose the police's demands can they? And if it is a suggestion and they refuse.......how will that look?

And if the police decide they need to answer a charge in a court, how can libel lawyers prevent it?

please explain...

btw Murat has played a part in this imo, so this is big news for one reason or another

by ShuBob 04.05.13 23:27

Surely, the McCanns and their acolytes will not complain about Murat having his say. They've been having theirs constantly for the last 6 years.

by Guest 04.05.13 23:28

Would that explain the pained and tearful looks of yesterday?

by Ayniia 04.05.13 23:30

Murat's one of the three former arguidos so he can ask the case to be reopened as much as the Mccanns or am I wrong? I know this may be words out of context just for the sake of selling papers but... Sunday Express tomorrow BRING THEM ALL BACK TO PORTUGAL 847771

Sunday Express tomorrow BRING THEM ALL BACK TO PORTUGAL 847771

by russiandoll 04.05.13 23:30

It will be fascinating to read what he says. what a big thing to happen after all this time. what has been the catalyst for him to say this I wonder?

by aiyoyo 04.05.13 23:31

PeterMac wrote:They all go back to Portugal to re-enact 1 minute and 20 seconds ? ? ?
I doubt it.
The only piece that is of any importance is the time from when Gerry LEFT the apartment to the time JT ": saw the abductor".
You need three people - JT, GM, and JW
and someone desperately trying to play the part of the abductor.
(Oh, and a small doll and a cuddle cat and a blanket !)
Everyone else and everything else is totally irrelevant.
And they have already done that bit, in the mockumentary, and it didn't work.

Working purely from the statements of Gerry McCann, Jeremy Wilkins, and Jane Tanner, and adding the time as we proceed we can estimate the following -

Gerry McCann left the Tapas bar 9:05 pm
Arrived at gate at bottom of stairs 9:06
Climbed stairs, entered apartment and went to bedroom 9:06.30s
Looked at children and had “proud father” moment 9:07
Used toilet 9:08
Left apartment, closing doors, went down stairs, met Jez Wilkins 9:09
Talked to Jez Wilkins 9:09 - 9:13 pm
Jane Tanner left Tapas bar 9:10 pm
JT arrived bottom of stairs, saw and passed the two men 9:11
JT saw abductor carrying child across top of road 9:11.05s

There is therefore, on their own timings, just two minutes and five seconds for the intruder to get in, seize Madeleine, get out again, and make his way round to the top of the road. To walk from the front door or window of the apartment to the left behind the low wall, then across the car park, then right to the corner of the street takes around 45 seconds. and a further 5 seconds to cross the street.
He has therefore around one minute and twenty seconds to enter, commit the crime, and exit.

This is an important point for the understanding of what happened.

Let it be stated once again.
If the man seen by Jane Tanner was the “abductor’ and was carrying Madeleine, as the McCanns insist, he had available to him the time from Gerry McCann’s leaving the apartment to the sighting by Jane Tanner. And no more.
In this time the intruder has to
• Enter the apartment
• Sedate all three children - in the dark
• Select Madeleine as the victim - in the dark
• Open the shutters and window - if he used the front door to enter
• Pick Madeleine out of her bed - in the dark
• Turn her round so that her head is now to his left, rather than to his right, which is the way he would have approached her in the bed.
• Exit the apartment, either through the opened window and shutters, or through the front door, which he must then close silently behind him.
• Walk to the left along the path in front of the apartment, walk straight ahead across the car park, and then walk to the right along the road, and cross the street in front of Jane Tanner, the father of the very child he had just abducted, and another man who has his own child in a buggy.

Taking into account the travelling time, he has around one minute and twenty seconds in which to achieve the first seven items on the list.

Carter-Ruck won't let them anywhere near a witness box.
No self respecting solicitor is going to let them do a reconstruction.

Caliing Kevin, have you received that? over and out.

by russiandoll 04.05.13 23:31

Ayniia wrote:Murat's one of the three former arguidos so he can ask the case to be reopened as much as the Mccanns or am I wrong? I know this may be words out of context just for the sake of selling papers but...

I believe the Portuguese will only reopen with new evidence.

by ShuBob 04.05.13 23:33

russiandoll wrote:
Ayniia wrote:Murat's one of the three former arguidos so he can ask the case to be reopened as much as the Mccanns or am I wrong? I know this may be words out of context just for the sake of selling papers but...

I believe the Portuguese will only reopen with new evidence.

And I believe a reconstruction will produce new evidence. If that's enough for the Portuguese to reopen the case is another matter.

by russiandoll 04.05.13 23:34

just on Sky now as a front page review...

announced straight after the Star front page......

by Guest 04.05.13 23:34

russiandoll wrote:
Ayniia wrote:Murat's one of the three former arguidos so he can ask the case to be reopened as much as the Mccanns or am I wrong? I know this may be words out of context just for the sake of selling papers but...

I believe the Portuguese will only reopen with new evidence.

A reconstruction would be classed as new evidence I think.

by aiyoyo 04.05.13 23:34

Châtelaine wrote:Would that explain the pained and tearful looks of yesterday?

Personally I don't think they have been informed. Else how to explain their chuckle at LK's airtime?

by loopzdaloop 04.05.13 23:35

Chuffed that the express have paid him for a story. Happy anniversary.

by Newintown 04.05.13 23:35

My premonition of about 3 hours ago seems to have been right, looking at the tears from Kate and devastation on Gerry's face. Oh dear, oh dear. I didn't think it was for Madeleine, we haven't seen anything like it for the past 6 years, it was only grief for themselves, as usual. Had they been told of the following days headlines, at that time, no wonder they both looked like they'd been hit by a double decker bus, driven by Richard Desmond perhaps Sunday Express tomorrow BRING THEM ALL BACK TO PORTUGAL 847771

by Guest 04.05.13 23:38

Newintown wrote:My premonition of about 3 hours ago seems to have been right, looking at the tears from Kate and devastation on Gerry's face. Oh dear, oh dear. I didn't think it was for Madeleine, we haven't seen anything like it for the past 6 years, it was only grief for themselves, as usual. Had they been told of the following days headlines, at that time, no wonder they both looked like they'd been hit by a double decker bus, driven by Richard Desmond perhaps

Didn't one of the editors say at Leveson they always ran their stories past Clarence Mitchell first. Was it Desmond who said that, or someone else. I thik they would have known about this a day or two ago....or maybe not.

by ShuBob 04.05.13 23:38

loopzdaloop wrote:Chuffed that the express have paid him for a story. Happy anniversary.

How do you know he has been paid?

by russiandoll 04.05.13 23:39

Newintown I agree, but I do think the entire 6 years of lies, guilt and stress have been a mix with genuine grief for their daughter.

The Met are not going to do Murats bidding but they will be interested given he was a former arguido with what he has to say.

This whole thing appears to be linked in some way to government scandal, there seems to be a domino effect.

by Newintown 04.05.13 23:44

candyfloss wrote:
Newintown wrote:My premonition of about 3 hours ago seems to have been right, looking at the tears from Kate and devastation on Gerry's face. Oh dear, oh dear. I didn't think it was for Madeleine, we haven't seen anything like it for the past 6 years, it was only grief for themselves, as usual. Had they been told of the following days headlines, at that time, no wonder they both looked like they'd been hit by a double decker bus, driven by Richard Desmond perhaps

Didn't one of the editors say at Leveson they always ran their stories past Clarence Mitchell first. Was it Desmond who said that, or someone else. I thik they would have known about this a day or two ago....or maybe not.

Perhaps they didn't run it by CM this time, could K & G have heard it direct from the horses's mouth? When was the candle vigil held, last evening I suspect. It doesn't get dark until about 8.30 p.m. in the UK. LK's programme was on Wednesday, papers print stories late into the evening, could K & G have been told late yesterday just before the vigil.

by Ayniia 04.05.13 23:45

candyfloss wrote:
russiandoll wrote:
Ayniia wrote:Murat's one of the three former arguidos so he can ask the case to be reopened as much as the Mccanns or am I wrong? I know this may be words out of context just for the sake of selling papers but...

I believe the Portuguese will only reopen with new evidence.

A reconstruction would be classed as new evidence I think.

I don't really know about law but I think whem GA said the Mccanns can ask for the case to be reopened,it's because of their former arguido status so Murat can too? If he in fact said this after all this time, something must be happening...I hope