Gerry McCanns Credit Cards

tigger wrote:

Ross wrote:

aniandr wrote:The dna thing is odd. It would be on towels, glasses, hairbrush, toothbrush, clothes,pillows,playtoy, shoes,underwear,nightdipers(?),chewinggum,bedlinnen,blankets she slept with,toiletpaper(often thrown in a bin in many countries). To get just one hairstraw ore pure dba should be realy simple.

Agreed. If she was there. Surely the only credible explanation for none being there is that she wasn't?

It's one of my early theories.
Supporting this theory are:
Zaival beach at Easter.
The Burgau apartment.
The immediate pointer (on the 8th May photographs in the Belfast Telegraph 'proving' Maddie was in Donegal at Easter) to Donegal. Pointing in the opposite direction - proof of a large extended Irish/Scottish family.
The lack of any photograph that can be said to definitely be of Maddie at OC that week. If those were taken at the same time as the pool photo, it might be 2006 as well, the playground and people in the distance are dressed for really warm weather, Maddie wasn't in her tracksuit and (disappeared) trainers.
The fact that Gerry had been to Portugal several times, that he knew Murat (the PJ have said this too) .
That Kate allegedly once said they went to PdL because they'd been there before.

Additionally:
5a belongs to absolutely not someone of the 'family', it is a coincidence - but it is never taken further, the owner is never interviewed by the news-hungry papers and I don't believe it is mentioned in the book. Ruth McCann is not a relative and she is never asked personally if this is so.
So I'm still ignorant as to how OC lets out 5a if it belongs to someone else?
5a would have had to be used on a previous occasion when the 'accident' happened. But I believe that other people were staying there over Easter. So that is a problem.
Someone else even had the idea that this happened months earlier and that the accident took place around the time the pool photo with Gerry and Madeleine was taken. Amelie being pasted in later to prove a date of May07 instead of say August 06.

It's more likely that they never used 5a except as a 'stage' after Maddie died imo and that Maddie died very early in the holiday, 29th/30th April.
That the Belfast Telegraph article was used both for early fund raising and proving they were all in Donegal instead of Zaival.
That snippets such as the washing machine being 'broken', the inside shutter being broken were to establish occupancy.
Mrs. Fenn saying that she didn't even know 'those people' were there and also that she'd never noticed them (except for the crying incident) supports this.
I think the PJ also tried to find out if cleaning materials had been purchased from the supermarket and elsewhere I've read that the cupboard in OC club containing cleaning materials had been broken into. - Long time ago and no ref for the last I'm afraid.

tigger wrote:A strange request and even stranger answer:

A request sent by PJ to British authorities, asking for details about Gerry McCann credit cards transactions for a period of six months, starting on April 1, six weeks before Madeleine's disappearance, was considered disproportionate by Frances Kennah, the Head of UK Central Authority, a Home Office department.
Unquote (from page 2 here)

So from the 1st of April back. It's really a strange request, nothing after 1/4/07. So did Amaral already know something else? After all, they did search the Burgau apartment I believe, there was a Peugeot connected with Murat and the mtDNA of Murat and JT's maternal lines. There's a lot more going on under the surface. Certainly the trip for Easter to Portugal would have shown up.

unawinchester wrote:What interests me about this case is more the question of why it is that, five years later, t ihere is still so much internet activity about it. I honestly cannot understand the motivation of people who devote their lives to it. The number of websites and blogs and uploads on YouTube make it clear that a great number of people spend an inordinate amount of time focussing on the Mccanns. Whatever the truth of the case is, why does it continue to attract this amount of activity? It is clear that no one is being paid to keep the negative theories alive. This is not about the merits or otherwise of the theories themselves. But it is difficult to accept that anyone is truly doing this for Madeleine Mccann. People who genuinely care about the welfare of children don't focus on one child that they never knew. Nor do they devote endless hours of unpaid time to a cause that is really not achieving anything in terms of outcome. This is not the same as people carrying out genuine volunteer or charity work on behalf of a child. If that was the motivation, there are many ways to volunteer for such causes in the real world, where one could truly make a difference in a child's life. Many people who continue to focus on this case, state that they object to the unprecidented amount of attention that Kate and Gerry have generated, when so many missing children receive very little, if any 'coverage'. And yet ,these poeple spend their lives focussing more and more attention on this one child, which contradicts their stated concerns. For if one were truly concerned about the equality of all missing children, one would go out and focus on the other millions of children who do not have Kate and Gerry as parents. Nor does the ongoing vitriol over the Mccann's child care arrangements help Madeleine, or any other missing child. By now, even Goncalo Amaral has admitted that he was wrong about most things, but the objections about the Mccanns still appear to use his theories as real possibilities. Another common cry is that "In 99 percent of child 'disappearances' the parents are involved'. That may be the case, but that statistic comes from parents who are either fighting custody battles, or who wish to hurt the other parent for some reason. The Mccanns do not Whether you loathe or love Kate and Gerry, or feel indifferent towards them, neither of them is stupid. Even 'if' they had accidentally caused Madeleine's death, I believe that both of them would know that whatever the accident was, would pale into insignificance when compared with the possiblity of being caught for covering the actual death of their child. Also, the other adults in the tapas nine, were not all close friends of the Mccanns and it's most unlikely that they would all agree to cover for the couple, when the possibility of being caught would land them in jail. Those that were doctors, would also forever lose their medical licenses. "If" they were covering the sedation of their children, they would have realised that inventing a story about the reasons for this ,would be far less dangerous than doing what they have been accused of. Also, it is actually very difficult for an adult to deliberately kill themselves with sedatives. Deaths come via the mix of sedatives with other drugs, and/or a large amount of alcohol, where it is the lethal COMBINATION that causes death. Kate Mccann is a qualified anaethetist. Of all medical specialists, these are the ones that understand MOST about lethal combinations, and consultant cardiologists would also be very high on the chart of that kind of knowledge. It is therefore almost impossible for them to have 'accidentally' killed Madeleine. It would have to have been deliberate, and that theory is ludicruos. Most of all, it is abundantly clear that the overwhelming, so called 'evidence' for the Mccanns involvement came from leaks within the Portuguese Police, and then media to the British media, most of whom have since admitted that they had no reliable 'source'. It is a fact that the Portuguese police already knew that the DNA evidence from the lab in Britain did not prove a thing. They lied to Gerry Mccann by telling him that there was solid DNA evidence to implicate him and his wife. They did that because they believed he was guilty, and I don't question their motive. They knew that if Gerry Mccann was guilty he would very likely confess once he heard about the DNA. And that is TRUE. If Gerry Mccann was guilty he no doubt WOULD have confessed if conclusive DNA evidence had been found. Even hardened murderes with serious criminal records confess as soon as the police mention that DNA has convicted them. It is one scientific form of proof that is almost impossible to deny. Yet Gerry Mccann's response was that he could not explain it. Because, he genuinely could not explain it. If he were guilty, he would know that 'explaining' it would no doubt halve whatever sentence he was about to get! Okay, so there is no solid evidence that an abductor took Madeleine, but regardless of what anyone thinks, there is no more evidence to implicate the Mccanns. If there were, they would have been charged and gone to court. One thing we ALL know, is that little girls do not simply disappear into thin air. But, if the theory of an abductor seems impossible, it is far less impossibler than the theory that, in a very short space of time, the Mccanns disposed of their daughter's body and some time later, drove it to Spain and dumped it in the sea. The theories against the Mccanns are far less logical than those against them.  It seems that people will go to any length of fantasy to implicate them, including the notion that they have influence over parliament, forensic scientists and who knows what else? This is ridiculous. There is absolutely NOTHING in the Mccanns past to indicate this. They were doctors working for the National Health. They were not even in private practice where they would make infinitely more money. Okay, so they are more comfortably off than most people, but they are not serioulsy wealthy at all, They do not have the kind of money, connections, or backgrounds that would make them 'influential'. Something their critics seem to forget is that both Kate and Gerry are from working class families. They did not grow up 'connected' to the elite at all. Nor is there anything to suggest that they longed to be celebrities. There is just nothing logical about the suspicion of the Mccanns at all. It seems far more logical that the internet has brought a LOT of lonely and lost poeple together into some kind of cyber community where they can focus on the Mccanns, instead of facing their empty lives. People- THIS is just another ADDICTION of yours. You really do NOT care about truth and justice, because, if you did there would be a lot more productive ways to fight for it. And NO- I am not a Mccann 'supporter'. I barely focussed on this case at all, but I was baffled when I realised what was going on in cyberspace. I don't have a great deal of attachment to the Mccanns innocence or guilt. I don't believe they are guilty, but even if I did, I could NEVER waste my life obsessing about them like this! AND - I would know that I "could" be wrong. And even if I was 99 percent sure I was right, that one percent knowledge that I could be wrong, would prevent me from doing what you people do. No one - other than the person or people who were there- can say with one hundred percent accuracy, what really happened. Andd therefore, you must accept that you could be wrong. And IF you are wrong, that makes you guilty of a very serious kind of abuse against your fellow human beings. It means that you just ADD to the intense suffering of two parents. It means that you add to the future suffering of their twins, who will one day read some of this vitriol. You risk them being bullied at school over it when they are teenagers. You risk adding to the possibilty that 'if' Madeleine is still alive, your actions might contribute to her not being found. I think you all really need to question your motives. Also, how are you going to feel about your OWN lives, in ten, twenty, thirty years, when you are STILL trying to escape whatever emptiness is inside you, by living vocariously through the lives of Kate and Gerry Mccann?

"I am sure I read that the wallet was returned, i.e posted to his previous address by the thief and then forwarded to his current address,
where it was picked up en route to Portugal by friends from Holland, who then caught another plane to Portugal.

sami wrote:

tigger wrote:A strange request and even stranger answer:

A request sent by PJ to British authorities, asking for details about Gerry McCann credit cards transactions for a period of six months, starting on April 1, six weeks before Madeleine's disappearance, was considered disproportionate by Frances Kennah, the Head of UK Central Authority, a Home Office department.
Unquote (from page 2 here)

So from the 1st of April back. It's really a strange request, nothing after 1/4/07. So did Amaral already know something else? After all, they did search the Burgau apartment I believe, there was a Peugeot connected with Murat and the mtDNA of Murat and JT's maternal lines. There's a lot more going on under the surface. Certainly the trip for Easter to Portugal would have shown up.

Tigger, I read that as meaning they want statements from April 07 to sept 07 inclusive ?  So 1st April onwards ?  Perhaps I have finally cracked up 

A request sent by PJ to British authorities, asking for details about Gerry McCann credit cards transactions for a period of six months, starting on April 1, six weeks before Madeleine's disappearance, was considered disproportionate by Frances Kennah, the Head of UK Central Authority, a Home Office department.
Unquote (from page 2 here)

Angelique wrote:
IMO Politicians and the like always like to state reasons for refusal in a way that shows they "care and/or consider the rights of the individual" when refusing something requested that they don't want to give/allow. It means if you protest you are the one who shows inconsideration and your character is tarnished as opposed to the "caring" Politician/Goverment official etc.

PeterMac wrote:Nice one from FB

"I am sure I read that the wallet was returned, i.e posted to his previous address by the thief and then forwarded to his current address,
where it was picked up en route to Portugal by friends from Holland, who then caught another plane to Portugal.
Didn't the wallet contain everything, apart from the sterling, including the driving licence and 30 euros in cash?
Was it not on this flight to Gatwick that GM says he assisted a man having a heart attack on the plane?
Then he must have caught the train from Gatwick to Victoria (it doesn't go to Waterloo)...then caught the tube, with one change at Westminster, to Waterloo.
This tale is hard to get the head around ! "