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I was just going through a timeline topic when I found this - although it's not to do with the credit cards, it seems that the McCanns were exceptionally unlucky - Gerry also reported his golf clubs stolen from his car in Rothley, some time prior to the holiday. I have no reference for this theft.
23/12/07
It is revealed that police want to trace a blue tennis bag allegedly taken from Kate and Gerry McCann's apartment on the night Madeleine went missing. Detectives think the hold-all could have been used to carry Madeleine as she was taken away, or even to transport the three-year-old's body. It belonged to the girl's father but has not been seen since the night of May 3, according to a Sky News documentary due to be broadcast on Christmas Eve.
Expert Tony Rogers, who reviews unsolved cases for British police and worked on the Soham investigation, said: "If it's a bag of a size that could be used to take a child away from the flat, that would be of great interest to the investigating officer." But McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell flatly denied that Mr McCann had lost a bag during the family's holiday. He said: "As far as Kate and Gerry are concerned, there is no missing tennis bag. They came back from holiday with everything except of course, tragically, Madeleine."
Mr McCann told friends yesterday that he did not take any tennis equipment to Praia da Luz, and did not own a blue tennis bag. But Sky News stood by its story, which it said came from sources who had travelled to the resort after Madeleine's disappearance.
Portuguese newspaper Diaria de Noticas reports that the Policiaria Judiciaria have been searching for months for a blue tennis bag, with sufficient size to carry a small child, which belonged to Gerry McCann. The story, advanced by Sky News, adds that Gerry McCann assured PJ investigators at the time that the bag had been "stolen.
23/12/07
It is revealed that police want to trace a blue tennis bag allegedly taken from Kate and Gerry McCann's apartment on the night Madeleine went missing. Detectives think the hold-all could have been used to carry Madeleine as she was taken away, or even to transport the three-year-old's body. It belonged to the girl's father but has not been seen since the night of May 3, according to a Sky News documentary due to be broadcast on Christmas Eve.
Expert Tony Rogers, who reviews unsolved cases for British police and worked on the Soham investigation, said: "If it's a bag of a size that could be used to take a child away from the flat, that would be of great interest to the investigating officer." But McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell flatly denied that Mr McCann had lost a bag during the family's holiday. He said: "As far as Kate and Gerry are concerned, there is no missing tennis bag. They came back from holiday with everything except of course, tragically, Madeleine."
Mr McCann told friends yesterday that he did not take any tennis equipment to Praia da Luz, and did not own a blue tennis bag. But Sky News stood by its story, which it said came from sources who had travelled to the resort after Madeleine's disappearance.
Portuguese newspaper Diaria de Noticas reports that the Policiaria Judiciaria have been searching for months for a blue tennis bag, with sufficient size to carry a small child, which belonged to Gerry McCann. The story, advanced by Sky News, adds that Gerry McCann assured PJ investigators at the time that the bag had been "stolen.
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This blue bag that was never seen again...which was stored where the cavader dog alerted to!
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clarence mitchell and gerry mccann lying yet again!
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clarence mitchell and gerry mccann lying yet again!
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It's just so amusing that the stories about these credit cards and the bag are the same.
They didn't exist and they were stolen.
They didn't exist and they were stolen.
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C'mon, give G McCann a break. After all, he saved a man on a plane, after the man had had a heart attack...........................................didn't he??
The trip back home was surely eventful, to say the least, but it's strange that we've NEVER seen or heard from that man again. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] How ungrateful
The trip back home was surely eventful, to say the least, but it's strange that we've NEVER seen or heard from that man again. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] How ungrateful
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***justme3 wrote:C'mon, give G McCann a break. After all, he saved a man on a plane, after the man had had a heart attack...........................................didn't he??
The trip back home was surely eventful, to say the least, but it's strange that we've NEVER seen or heard from that man again. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] How ungrateful
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very interesting thread. a successsful doctor and familyman nowadays simply would have credit/debit cards. Now that we know he did have them, simply losing them would not erase the bank audit info. I have seen in fraud cases money laundering and audit trails have been uncovered by police obtaining credit card info from banks. Again how do the McCanns credit card info somehow remain out of reach? It remains a simple process for the Pollice to request this from banks and they do this by writing via regulators or british banking association who then write to all members. Must be a quite normal request one would think. I wonder if SY have now done this
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jd wrote:[19th June 2007] Gerry takes an early-morning flight from Faro, Portugal, to Gatwick, London, landing shortly before midday. Within minutes/an hour/hours of landing Gerry has his wallet stolen at an ATM at Waterloo station/cash machine near the Foreign Office in Whitehall.
According to Philomena McCann, Gerry's sister, "He bent down to put something in his rucksack and some dirty animal had the wallet out of his back pocket."
Gerry has to cancel all his credit cards, thus delaying him and causing the meetings to run on late into the evening.
The Evening Standard reported that London police had said they 'had no record of the theft being reported to officers'. In addition, Clarence Mitchell confirmed that Gerry had attended a meeting at London's foreign office, on Tuesday, but 'could not immediately confirm details of the theft'.
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Was gerry mccann really bending down as a decoy? Was he really trying to 'pass something' from PDL to this person? They would be aware of CCTV camera's at the station and at the cash point
Did gerry mccann run after this man? Did he shout after him? Why are there no witnesses to this incident?The commotion this incident would have created would have alerted peoples attention, and everyone in the UK would have recognised him at this point in time and would want their 15 mins of fame. Waterloo is a very busy mainline train station and many times a nightmare being so packed out with people
Was this incident to create a reason to cancel his credit cards? Thereby covering his tracks from past transactions, credit card transactions reveal a lot of information, can pinpoint people...maybe a previous booking & expenditure to PDL perhaps? Did he use his credit card to hire the Renault a few weeks before? Who paid for the hire car as it is hired in his name? (using his old address) It seems very apparent gerry mccann had a strong friendship with john geraghty and strong indications from the start of the scam with the church keys, the 'no comment' murat, are indications he had been in PDL before
On the PJ background check, it says "There is no report or statement of bank credit cards listed in the research carried out. However I was alerted to the fact that if an individual maintains an account open with the same bank or credit card accounts for a long period of time, these details do not appear in this kind of search."
This report is dated 16th May 2008. If his credit cards were cancelled 11 months previous, I would think it is very likely that they would not show up on a credit check in 2008, thereby no statement record could be retrieved which would show transactions prior to the May 2007 PDL holiday....and possibly a record of showing he had been there before
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I have said it before, I will say it again. Gerry McCanns first phonecall after 10pm evening of May 3, 2007 was NOT to the cops to report his daughter missing, it was to an old Uni buddy who just so happened to be New Labours mover and shaker at the time, I do not know if this is fact or not, but it has been reported over and over again on websites.
What has bothered me from the off in this case, is the underhandedness of the UK authorities in that it appears their only mission was to protect the Tapas Group at all costs.
This is where I am at: 3 year old British child has dissappeared whilst abroad with her parents and a group of so called responsible adults. All stops are pulled out to faciliatate the Tapas Group i,e, a bunch of UK NHS Medical professionals whose idea of a holiday was 'lets just go take the kiddies and lets party', in their case it meant the kiddies were there but not there, the adults had a ball, for the kiddies it was just another nightmare, that is until one of the kiddies miraculously went under the rador, then it became a responsiblility on the British taxpayer to find the child.
I cannot abide corruption on any level and I would like to think that one of these days my generation would grow a skin and speak out.
I know it is not going to happen because the average Brit has not got a clue about hardship, like the yanks they have been indoctrinated. A case of, if it is not happening in my front garden it is not my problem.]
It was obvious early on in this case that something was amiss, Madeliene was not the focus, she was the cash cow. UK authorities should have been doing everything in their power to find this child, but hey they were busy hailing Kate and Gerry as world wide Ambassadors for chidren.
It is disturbing for me to realise that it matters not ajot who you vote for, the same old sick jerks call the shots, because they have tweaked the system.
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Mira2 wrote:
I cannot abide corruption on any level and I would like to think that one of these days my generation would grow a skin and speak out.
I know it is not going to happen because the average Brit has not got a clue about hardship, like the yanks they have been indoctrinated. A case of, if it is not happening in my front garden it is not my problem.
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What people don't understand is that it is very much their problem. A fact they won't realise until it's too late for them to do anything about it.
I cannot abide corruption on any level and I would like to think that one of these days my generation would grow a skin and speak out.
I know it is not going to happen because the average Brit has not got a clue about hardship, like the yanks they have been indoctrinated. A case of, if it is not happening in my front garden it is not my problem.
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What people don't understand is that it is very much their problem. A fact they won't realise until it's too late for them to do anything about it.
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Totally agree with you both! My bugbear is those who say 'I'm not interested in politics, it doesn't affect me' - well of course it does! Politics affects pretty much everything you do from the minute you wake to the minute you sleep. Only a fool would believe otherwise indeed I once read a good description of a 'total fool' - 'someone who believes everything their Government tells them'. Same goes for mainstream media as the two are intrinsically linked. Well, I don't believe what the media and Clarrie etc have been telling us about all this since May 4, 2007. I didn't believe the story then and nothing I have seen heard or read since has changed my mindset, indeed it has all strengthened it. From body language to forensic limguistics, police statements and bizarre behaviour all screams 'we know'. The powers-that-be know. What sends a real chill up my spine is WHY the powers-that-be need to cover it all up (and yes I think I have a good idea why) :'(tigger wrote:Mira2 wrote:
I cannot abide corruption on any level and I would like to think that one of these days my generation would grow a skin and speak out.
I know it is not going to happen because the average Brit has not got a clue about hardship, like the yanks they have been indoctrinated. A case of, if it is not happening in my front garden it is not my problem.
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Totally agree with you both! My bugbear is those who say 'I'm not interested in politics, it doesn't affect me' - well of course it does! Politics affects pretty much everything you do from the minute you wake to the minute you sleep. Only a fool would believe otherwise indeed I once read a good description of a 'total fool' - 'someone who believes everything their Government tells them'. Same goes for mainstream media as the two are intrinsically linked. Well, I don't believe what the media and Clarrie etc have been telling us about all this since May 4, 2007. I didn't believe the story then and nothing I have seen heard or read since has changed my mindset, indeed it has all strengthened it. From body language to forensic limguistics, police statements and bizarre behaviour all screams 'we know'. The powers-that-be know. What sends a real chill up my spine is WHY the powers-that-be need to cover it all up (and yes I think I have a good idea why) :'(tigger wrote:Mira2 wrote:
I cannot abide corruption on any level and I would like to think that one of these days my generation would grow a skin and speak out.
I know it is not going to happen because the average Brit has not got a clue about hardship, like the yanks they have been indoctrinated. A case of, if it is not happening in my front garden it is not my problem.
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It makes me angry when I see just how much they must have lied and how clumsily they then tried to cover up their lies. If we assume that Madeleine died and her body was disposed of by her parents, then there are three more likely reasons for the massive and so far very successful cover-up involving some highly influential individuals pulling the strings behind the scene.
1. The MCs (and the T7) were involved in some sort of clandestine project.
Given that they are all fairly average NHS doctors, it seems to me highly unlikely that they should be chosen to participate in such a project.
2. Freemasonry
3. Paedophile connections
Gerry's 'lost' credit card (why hide credit card payment records?), DP, Murat, Gerry claiming a paedophile or a paedophile gang had taken Madeleine in the immediate aftermath of so called 'abduction' (he is streetwise but is prone to opening his mouth without thinking things through).
1. The MCs (and the T7) were involved in some sort of clandestine project.
Given that they are all fairly average NHS doctors, it seems to me highly unlikely that they should be chosen to participate in such a project.
2. Freemasonry
3. Paedophile connections
Gerry's 'lost' credit card (why hide credit card payment records?), DP, Murat, Gerry claiming a paedophile or a paedophile gang had taken Madeleine in the immediate aftermath of so called 'abduction' (he is streetwise but is prone to opening his mouth without thinking things through).
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Gerry's 'lost' credit card (why hide credit card payment records?), DP, Murat, Gerry claiming a paedophile or a paedophile gang had taken Madeleine in the immediate aftermath of so called 'abduction' (he is streetwise but is prone to opening his mouth without thinking things through).
Why was the U.K. so reluctant to dig for information? Of course, his present new creditcard wouldn't show much interesting information. The original one could have. And it would have been "peanuts" to unearth and track those payments ...
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According to this article there was not a picture of Maddie taken in church a month prior to the holiday in it. Just 2 pictures from Amsterdam....wonder if he had any photos of the twins in his wallet or just only Maddie
Mr McCann's brother, John, said: "Gerry had his wallet stolen and there were two pictures of Madeleine taken when they lived in Amsterdam.
"They were taken around two years ago, before the twins were born. The photos meant a lot to Gerry; he had carried them for ages
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Mr McCann's brother, John, said: "Gerry had his wallet stolen and there were two pictures of Madeleine taken when they lived in Amsterdam.
"They were taken around two years ago, before the twins were born. The photos meant a lot to Gerry; he had carried them for ages
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jd wrote:According to this article there was not a picture of Maddie taken in church a month prior to the holiday in it. Just 2 pictures from Amsterdam....wonder if he had any photos of the twins in his wallet or just only Maddie
Mr McCann's brother, John, said: "Gerry had his wallet stolen and there were two pictures of Madeleine taken when they lived in Amsterdam.
"They were taken around two years ago, before the twins were born. The photos meant a lot to Gerry; he had carried them for ages
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Hmm, and by coincidence, friends from Amsterdam who were visiting the area (who were they visiting in the vicinity of Rothley since they knew the McCanns weren't there?) picked up the wallet which had been sent to the old address in Queenyborough .
Now I'm lost, friends who didn't come to visit them but went to Rothley or Queenyborough, knowing that neither family not McCann or Healy were there and collected a wallet which had been sent to an address two years out of date.
Then - quite logically - they went on to Portugal for their holiday.
I'm pretty sure there are plenty of flights from Amsterdam.
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jd wrote:According to this article there was not a picture of Maddie taken in church a month prior to the holiday in it. Just 2 pictures from Amsterdam....wonder if he had any photos of the twins in his wallet or just only Maddie
Mr McCann's brother, John, said: "Gerry had his wallet stolen and there were two pictures of Madeleine taken when they lived in Amsterdam.
"They were taken around two years ago, before the twins were born. The photos meant a lot to Gerry; he had carried them for ages
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What kind of pickpocket would be daft enough to lift a wallet, take out 100 pounds but leave 30 euros, steal a child's photos but none of the credit cards, then plagued by a sudden sense of guilt, decides to wrap it up, goes to the post office to buy a stamp and post it back to the owner! You cannot be serious
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Hmm, and by coincidence, friends from Amsterdam who were visiting the area (who were they visiting in the vicinity of Rothley since they knew the McCanns weren't there?) picked up the wallet which had been sent to the old address in Queenyborough .
Now I'm lost, friends who didn't come to visit them but went to Rothley or Queenyborough, knowing that neither family not McCann or Healy were there and collected a wallet which had been sent to an address two years out of date.
Then - quite logically - they went on to Portugal for their holiday.
I'm pretty sure there are plenty of flights from Amsterdam.
When you put the facts into the timeline like this they sound absolutely ridiculous and unbelievable! To me they made their big mistake with this story saying the incident happened at Waterloo. None of the mccanns are from London and made the mistake assuming trains went to Waterloo from Gatwick, probably because it is famous for Eurostar and in South London. Trains go to Victoria! Victoria which is even closer to Whitehall than Waterloo...and is a fast direct express train!
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Day 57 - 29/06/2007 - Friday (gerry mccann blogs)
Early rise this morning dropping off and picking up good friends from the airport. One of our friends from Amsterdam, who has been actively campaigning to publicise Madeleines disappearance, dropped in to see us for a couple of hours since he is on a golfing trip in the Algarve.
Our friends brought back my wallet which had been returned, needless to say minus the Sterling, although all my cards and €30 were still in it! It is good to have my driving license back and one or two other important things.
I wonder that as gerry mccann cancelled all of his cards which made him late for the meetings....On the cards return he wouldn't be able to use them as they were cancelled so they would be useless. When cards are cancelled the banks/credit card have to send you a new one. Ive never heard of any bank or credit card company make the same cancelled card active again
Early rise this morning dropping off and picking up good friends from the airport. One of our friends from Amsterdam, who has been actively campaigning to publicise Madeleines disappearance, dropped in to see us for a couple of hours since he is on a golfing trip in the Algarve.
Our friends brought back my wallet which had been returned, needless to say minus the Sterling, although all my cards and €30 were still in it! It is good to have my driving license back and one or two other important things.
I wonder that as gerry mccann cancelled all of his cards which made him late for the meetings....On the cards return he wouldn't be able to use them as they were cancelled so they would be useless. When cards are cancelled the banks/credit card have to send you a new one. Ive never heard of any bank or credit card company make the same cancelled card active again
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When you put the facts into the timeline like this they sound absolutely ridiculous and unbelievable! To me they made their big mistake with this story saying the incident happened at Waterloo. None of the mccanns are from London and made the mistake assuming trains went to Waterloo from Gatwick, probably because it is famous for Eurostar and in South London. Trains go to Victoria! Victoria which is even closer to Whitehall than Waterloo...and is a fast direct express train!
jd, you are of course right about Gatwick Express going to Victoria but Waterloo is probably closer to Whitehall (cross over the Westminster Bridge and in 5 minutes you are there). It's possible he took a slow train from Gatwick and changed to the Northern Line somewhere, and got off at Waterloo, maybe by mistake instead of Embankment which would be closest to Whitehall? Isn't it also possible that whoever he was visiting was in a building closer to Waterloo station?
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No it was Whitehall. Why would anyone get a slow BR train stopping at numerous stations en route, change & wait for another train at Clapham to Waterloo....When you can just catch the fast 25min direct to Victoria (which is advertised all over Gatwick and nothing whatsoever about Waterloo), walk to Whitehall in 5 mins or catch a cab in 2mins. The tube station for Whitehall is Westminster which is 2 stops from Victoria, whereas from Waterloo you'd have to change yet again on the Northern or Bakerloo line unless taking the jubilee which takes 15-20mins. I just do not buy this credit card story in the slightest and they messed up with Waterloo, there is no way he took a train to Waterloo from Gatwick. Their relatives up in Scotland thought Waterloo served Gatwick with their story, in reality it does not work. You would only go to Waterloo if you needed to catch the Eurostar, not to get to Westminster/Whitehall
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jd, you are of course right about Gatwick Express going to Victoria but Waterloo is probably closer to Whitehall (cross over the Westminster Bridge and in 5 minutes you are there). It's possible he took a slow train from Gatwick and changed to the Northern Line somewhere, and got off at Waterloo, maybe by mistake instead of Embankment which would be closest to Whitehall? Isn't it also possible that whoever he was visiting was in a building closer to Waterloo station?
No it was Whitehall. Why would anyone get a slow BR train stopping at numerous stations en route, change & wait for another train at Clapham to Waterloo....When you can just catch the fast 25min direct to Victoria (which is advertised all over Gatwick and nothing whatsoever about Waterloo), walk to Whitehall in 5 mins or catch a cab in 2mins. The tube station for Whitehall is Westminster which is 2 stops from Victoria, whereas from Waterloo you'd have to change yet again on the Northern or Bakerloo line unless taking the jubilee which takes 15-20mins. I just do not buy this credit card story in the slightest and they messed up with Waterloo, there is no way he took a train to Waterloo from Gatwick. Their relatives up in Scotland thought Waterloo served Gatwick with their story, in reality it does not work. You would only go to Waterloo if you needed to catch the Eurostar, not to get to Westminster/Whitehall
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jd, I don't want to start a pointless argument here but one wouldn't change the train to go from Waterloo to Westminster because it's such a short distance to walk whereas Victoria to Whitehall will take quite a bit more than five minutes on foot. I should have said Embankment is closer than Waterloo, perhaps, but I was then thinking of the general area of Whitehall rather than Foreign & Commonwealth Office which is much closer to Westminster Bridge. I really think it's feasible for someone to catch a slow train from Gatwick (cheaper and only a little slower) and change at Clapham Junction to catch the Northern Line to Waterloo, then walk across the Westminster Bridge to Foreign & Commonwealth Office. In fact, I might even suggest that route myself if someone had asked me how to get to the Foreign Office from Gatwick Airport.
But I agree with you that this whole story about the lost wallet sounds very dodgy from start to finish.
But I agree with you that this whole story about the lost wallet sounds very dodgy from start to finish.
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Ribisl wrote:jd, I don't want to start a pointless argument here but one wouldn't change the train to go from Waterloo to Westminster because it's such a short distance to walk whereas Victoria to Whitehall will take quite a bit more than five minutes on foot. I should have said Embankment is closer than Waterloo, perhaps, but I was then thinking of the general area of Whitehall rather than Foreign & Commonwealth Office which is much closer to Westminster Bridge. I really think it's feasible for someone to catch a slow train from Gatwick (cheaper and only a little slower) and change at Clapham Junction to catch the Northern Line to Waterloo, then walk across the Westminster Bridge to Foreign & Commonwealth Office. In fact, I might even suggest that route myself if someone had asked me how to get to the Foreign Office from Gatwick Airport.
But I agree with you that this whole story about the lost wallet sounds very dodgy from start to finish.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one Ribisl The Waterloo route is doubling back on yourself when you can go direct in half the time on the express. Parliament is the other side of Parliament Square past down the House of Commons on Victoria Street...done it many times myself over the years and know both Waterloo/Westminster and Victoria like the back of my hand (and Gatwick!). gerry mccanns 'place of Waterloo' came from Scotland and they presumed wrong that trains went there from Gatwick imo, and I can understand why they presumed trains went to Waterloo from Gatwick but they don't. Of course the credit cards incident is made up, I wonder if gerry mccann used the same stolen credit card to pay for the renault hire car? or did the fund pay for this like the top class hotel he stayed in once
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The timeline on this is a little tight:
19th June he loses his wallet. By the 29th he has it back in Portugal.
The thief sends it by post to Queenyborough - an address he finds in the wallet. At best he would post this later that day - having had to buy an enveloppe, stamps and gone to a post office to find out the stamps required. If no stamps had been put on and he'd just - as some thieves still do - slipped it into a letterbox it would either never get back to GM if he was lucky and PO employees didn't do their usual trick of taking out the money and destroying the evidence - it would be weeks or months before he got it back.
But say this thief forked out for correct stamps and secure envelope (he obviously missed the Clarence broadcast to 'address it to Kate and Gerry in Rothley')it would not arrive at the wrong address earlier than the 21st, more likely the 22nd.
We are now asked to believe that the resident in the old house then rewrapped it, sent it to the Rothley address. Assuming that he had this address.
Another two days and we're on the 24th. Saturday.
A third party who might be checking the mail in Rothley and opening all the yummy money enveloppes, finds the wallet. But Gerry makes no mention in his blog at this stage that e.g. he's had a call and the wallet has been found. Which would be a good thing to enter instead of the usual bilge.
By the following Thursday, 'visiting' friends from Amsterdam have come over and picked up the wallet - presumably gone back to Amsterdam and then taken a flight to Portugal.
They would have to know there was something to pick up, who and where were the people they were visiting? Unlikely to be either Rothley or Queenyborough. So they would have been contacted by someone who knew they were coming. So on and so forth.
Ten days in which the wallet is stolen, gets sent to one address, then another address, friends of the couple are so well known to their family that they are contacted to come and pick up the wallet, these friends return home and on a date soon after that fly to Portugal.
On their way through to somewhere else, which is likely to be in a hire car.
Unless you bother to send by recorded delivery, in my experience sending any money by mail results 9 out of 10 times in it not arriving at all. There was still 30 euros in it, that is highly unlikely. Any thief would use it but it's a typical Gerry twist - not British - good money, only euros were left in - stuff that the sardine munchers use.
19th June he loses his wallet. By the 29th he has it back in Portugal.
The thief sends it by post to Queenyborough - an address he finds in the wallet. At best he would post this later that day - having had to buy an enveloppe, stamps and gone to a post office to find out the stamps required. If no stamps had been put on and he'd just - as some thieves still do - slipped it into a letterbox it would either never get back to GM if he was lucky and PO employees didn't do their usual trick of taking out the money and destroying the evidence - it would be weeks or months before he got it back.
But say this thief forked out for correct stamps and secure envelope (he obviously missed the Clarence broadcast to 'address it to Kate and Gerry in Rothley')it would not arrive at the wrong address earlier than the 21st, more likely the 22nd.
We are now asked to believe that the resident in the old house then rewrapped it, sent it to the Rothley address. Assuming that he had this address.
Another two days and we're on the 24th. Saturday.
A third party who might be checking the mail in Rothley and opening all the yummy money enveloppes, finds the wallet. But Gerry makes no mention in his blog at this stage that e.g. he's had a call and the wallet has been found. Which would be a good thing to enter instead of the usual bilge.
By the following Thursday, 'visiting' friends from Amsterdam have come over and picked up the wallet - presumably gone back to Amsterdam and then taken a flight to Portugal.
They would have to know there was something to pick up, who and where were the people they were visiting? Unlikely to be either Rothley or Queenyborough. So they would have been contacted by someone who knew they were coming. So on and so forth.
Ten days in which the wallet is stolen, gets sent to one address, then another address, friends of the couple are so well known to their family that they are contacted to come and pick up the wallet, these friends return home and on a date soon after that fly to Portugal.
On their way through to somewhere else, which is likely to be in a hire car.
Unless you bother to send by recorded delivery, in my experience sending any money by mail results 9 out of 10 times in it not arriving at all. There was still 30 euros in it, that is highly unlikely. Any thief would use it but it's a typical Gerry twist - not British - good money, only euros were left in - stuff that the sardine munchers use.
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tigger wrote:The timeline on this is a little tight:
19th June he loses his wallet. By the 29th he has it back in Portugal.
The thief sends it by post to Queenyborough - an address he finds in the wallet. At best he would post this later that day - having had to buy an enveloppe, stamps and gone to a post office to find out the stamps required. If no stamps had been put on and he'd just - as some thieves still do - slipped it into a letterbox it would either never get back to GM if he was lucky and PO employees didn't do their usual trick of taking out the money and destroying the evidence - it would be weeks or months before he got it back.
But say this thief forked out for correct stamps and secure envelope (he obviously missed the Clarence broadcast to 'address it to Kate and Gerry in Rothley')it would not arrive at the wrong address earlier than the 21st, more likely the 22nd.
We are now asked to believe that the resident in the old house then rewrapped it, sent it to the Rothley address. Assuming that he had this address.
Another two days and we're on the 24th. Saturday.
A third party who might be checking the mail in Rothley and opening all the yummy money enveloppes, finds the wallet. But Gerry makes no mention in his blog at this stage that e.g. he's had a call and the wallet has been found. Which would be a good thing to enter instead of the usual bilge.
By the following Thursday, 'visiting' friends from Amsterdam have come over and picked up the wallet - presumably gone back to Amsterdam and then taken a flight to Portugal.
They would have to know there was something to pick up, who and where were the people they were visiting? Unlikely to be either Rothley or Queenyborough. So they would have been contacted by someone who knew they were coming. So on and so forth.
Ten days in which the wallet is stolen, gets sent to one address, then another address, friends of the couple are so well known to their family that they are contacted to come and pick up the wallet, these friends return home and on a date soon after that fly to Portugal.
On their way through to somewhere else, which is likely to be in a hire car.
Unless you bother to send by recorded delivery, in my experience sending any money by mail results 9 out of 10 times in it not arriving at all. There was still 30 euros in it, that is highly unlikely. Any thief would use it but it's a typical Gerry twist - not British - good money, only euros were left in - stuff that the sardine munchers use.
Yes, and why didn't the new owner of their old house come forward to tell the world he had the wallet, it was stolen goods for goodness sake wouldn't you have thought he/she would have handed it over to the police, so they could give it back to him? Didn't they open the envelope and see the wallet with the photos of MM and the 30 Euros and put 2 and 2 together, because if they had opened it I do not believe for one minute they wouldn't have contacted the police and if they didn't open it, considering what was going on in the news about the people they had bought the house from I do not believe either that he would have just sent it to their new address, he/she must have known they weren't there - they were in Portugal!!!
Amazing how many people have 'seen' MM since she disappeared and want to come forward yet NO ONE who has ever known the McCanns, including neighbours, school teachers, shop keepers, people whose lives he saves on aeroplanes, patients, school friends parents etc etc etc have nothing, absolutely nothing to say about them????????
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Not even a man whom he saved from certain death!
There's gratitude for you!
There's gratitude for you!
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tigger wrote:Not even a man whom he saved from certain death!
There's gratitude for you!
I know, you would have thought at least he would have wanted to tell the world and his wife about the day the wonderful GM saved his life but no not him or the 180+ other passengers, the ground staff, ambulance crew, cabin crew, pilots said a dickybird.
Not one person who seems to want a minutes fame, I do not believe it, never ever in anything that has this much media attention do people not crawl out of the woodwork to say something and get their names in papers, so why not this case?
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And so we conclude . . .
It did not happen. Any more than the theft and subsequent return of the wallet happened.
It did not happen. Any more than the theft and subsequent return of the wallet happened.
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PeterMac wrote:And so we conclude . . .
It did not happen. Any more than the theft and subsequent return of the wallet happened.
Quite so. I think it is also reasonable to assume that these little islands of detailed memory lost in a vast ocean of forgetfulness are intended to plug a hole here and there in the narrative.
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PeterMac wrote:And so we conclude . . .
It did not happen. Any more than the theft and subsequent return of the wallet happened.
The wallet could have been stolen or GM might have misplaced it at some point and later decided to to use it to 'lose' those precious photos of Madeleine. We keep coming back to the same points though: cancelling of his credit cards (to hide earlier transaction records?) and the alleged loss of the photos (why did GM want to 'lose' those particular photos?).
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Ribisl wrote:PeterMac wrote:And so we conclude . . .
It did not happen. Any more than the theft and subsequent return of the wallet happened.
The wallet could have been stolen or GM might have misplaced it at some point and later decided to to use it to 'lose' those precious photos of Madeleine. We keep coming back to the same points though: cancelling of his credit cards (to hide earlier transaction records?) and the alleged loss of the photos (why did GM want to 'lose' those particular photos?).
There's no reason to mention them so since they are, qui bono? GM I think, because what with the Amsterdam connection here, Amsterdam photographs and Amsterdam 'friends' who collect the wallet. Was this killing two birds with one stone? Credit cards compromised and sending a message to Amsterdam via John McCann and the family oracle (Philomena) which they would understand.
Amsterdam incidentally, (nothing to do with the above I hasten to add ) had a terrible case of abused toddlers and even babies in the care of a creche worker. Amsterdam does seem to be one of the world's worst places for paedo porn.
Quite unnecessarily the blog also tells us that these Amsterdam friends have done a lot to publicise the search for Madeleine. We don't get their names whilst we get lots of names from other friends and helpers.
I think it's quite likely that the blog was used to convey messages.
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Losing or cancelling a credit card will not wipe the computer records of the transactions.
They will be there in the mainframe back up system for at the very least seven years in case the tax authorities want them.
It is likely that the records go back far further than that, to allow for investigations into crime, money laundering and so on.
Indeed I would bet that credit card companies have all the records right back to when they were first issued.
The data requirement is tiny, a few lines and columns on a spread sheet, so vast amounts could be stored for almost no cost.
They will be there in the mainframe back up system for at the very least seven years in case the tax authorities want them.
It is likely that the records go back far further than that, to allow for investigations into crime, money laundering and so on.
Indeed I would bet that credit card companies have all the records right back to when they were first issued.
The data requirement is tiny, a few lines and columns on a spread sheet, so vast amounts could be stored for almost no cost.
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