The Gene Genie...?

by missbeetle 05.06.14 9:08

A couple of thoughts about Haynes Hubbard and family...

Where did Mrs Hubbard learn to speak Portuguese?

Which daughter of theirs played Madeleine in the Cutting Edge documentary?

by haroldd2 05.06.14 11:33

Long shot: Haynes Hubbard isn't related to L Ron Hubbard the founder of Scientology, is he?

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] from the Anglican church community in Niagara, Ontario, mentions both Rev Haynes Hubbard and Deacon Ron Hubbard (a different Ron of course!).

by missbeetle 05.06.14 22:08

I'm wondering - and speculating - if the Hubbards may have been the relatives Kate thought about handing Madeleine over to?

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In the following article, Michael Wright is down as 'Michael White' - White is Mrs Hubbard's maiden name.

...and only their youngest child seems to be around the age of the McCann twins.

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Itchy teeth...!

by Hicks 05.06.14 22:24

Well slap my thigh!!... Just looked on a certain Facebook page and it seems that our Reverend Hubbard got married in July 2008! So does that mean another couple entwined in this scam have split up? Was he ever married to Susan in the first place? confused.com

Worth a look.

by Hicks 05.06.14 23:07

Have doubled checked and triple checked and it is him.

My mind is wandering....was he ever really married to Susan? His Daughter Gabriel in on his friends list, she must have been the girl who played Madeleine in the reconstruction. No mention who his current wife is only that he got married in July 2008.

I am wondering if Susan might be the 'biological cousin'.

by missbeetle 05.06.14 23:14

Hicks wrote:Have doubled checked and triple checked and it is him.

My mind is wandering....was he ever really married to Susan? His Daughter Gabriel in on his friends list, she must have been the girl who played Madeleine in the reconstruction. No mention who his current wife is only that he got married in July 2008.

I am wondering if Susan might be the 'biological cousin'.

Me too! Gabriella seems to have been too old to play Madeleine, though, at age 8 in 2007.

by noddy100 05.06.14 23:20

missbeetle wrote:
Hicks wrote:Have doubled checked and triple checked and it is him.

My mind is wandering....was he ever really married to Susan? His Daughter Gabriel in on his friends list, she must have been the girl who played Madeleine in the reconstruction. No mention who his current wife is only that he got married in July 2008.

I am wondering if Susan might be the 'biological cousin'.

Me too! Gabriella seems to have been too old to play Madeleine, though, at age 8 in 2007.

She is too old She was also in luz 3 weeks ago

by Hicks 05.06.14 23:22

missbeetle wrote:
Hicks wrote:Have doubled checked and triple checked and it is him.

My mind is wandering....was he ever really married to Susan? His Daughter Gabriel in on his friends list, she must have been the girl who played Madeleine in the reconstruction. No mention who his current wife is only that he got married in July 2008.

I am wondering if Susan might be the 'biological cousin'.

Me too! Gabriella seems to have been too old to play Madeleine, though, at age 8 in 2007.

What do you make of the fact he got married in 2008? Don't forget the Hubbard's 'allegedly' had their computer stolen in PDL. Incriminating emails perhaps? Something is not right at all here. Susan Hubbard has been photographed at Kate's side during trials in Portugal ,not that long ago so perhaps she is quite significant in all of this.

by missbeetle 05.06.14 23:25

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by Watching The Detectives 05.06.14 23:28

I think Facebook just shows the date at which the account holder changes their status to married.

It doesn't indicate that was the actual date of marriage.

by Guest 05.06.14 23:28

Hicks wrote:Have doubled checked and triple checked and it is him.

My mind is wandering....was he ever really married to Susan? His Daughter Gabriel in on his friends list, she must have been the girl who played Madeleine in the reconstruction. No mention who his current wife is only that he got married in July 2008.

I am wondering if Susan might be the 'biological cousin'.

Hello Hicks
Just did a bit of googling, came across this, there is a photo of Haynes and Susan Hubbard purportedly from April 2013. I took a screenshot but I can't figure out how to paste it here, sorry!

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Ordinarily with something like this on a Facebook page, I'd assume a simple error inputting his marriage year on his Facebook profile, but as this whole case is anything but ordinary, I think we can be forgiven our suspicions about this little snippet too!

by missbeetle 05.06.14 23:33

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by Hicks 05.06.14 23:36

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Now who would steal their laptop? Hey, perhaps the police digging up that scrubland will find it there!

by Hicks 05.06.14 23:43

Rose Quartz wrote:
Hicks wrote:Have doubled checked and triple checked and it is him.

My mind is wandering....was he ever really married to Susan? His Daughter Gabriel in on his friends list, she must have been the girl who played Madeleine in the reconstruction. No mention who his current wife is only that he got married in July 2008.

I am wondering if Susan might be the 'biological cousin'.

Hello Hicks
Just did a bit of googling, came across this, there is a photo of Haynes and Susan Hubbard purportedly from April 2013. I took a screenshot but I can't figure out how to paste it here, sorry!

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Ordinarily with something like this on a Facebook page, I'd assume a simple error inputting his marriage year on his Facebook profile, but as this whole case is anything but ordinary, I think we can be forgiven our suspicions about this little snippet too!

You are certainly right about that. Surely though it can't be a mistake, you would amend it once spotted. Susan doesn't feature on his FB at all. They had three children....apparently!

I wonder when his profile picture was taken? Could that be a new child of his?

by **tigger** 06.06.14 6:45

Hicks wrote:
Rose Quartz wrote:
Hicks wrote:Have doubled checked and triple checked and it is him.

My mind is wandering....was he ever really married to Susan? His Daughter Gabriel in on his friends list, she must have been the girl who played Madeleine in the reconstruction. No mention who his current wife is only that he got married in July 2008.

I am wondering if Susan might be the 'biological cousin'.

Hello Hicks
Just did a bit of googling, came across this, there is a photo of Haynes and Susan Hubbard purportedly from April 2013. I took a screenshot but I can't figure out how to paste it here, sorry!

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Ordinarily with something like this on a Facebook page, I'd assume a simple error inputting his marriage year on his Facebook profile, but as this whole case is anything but ordinary, I think we can be forgiven our suspicions about this little snippet too!
You are certainly right about that. Surely though it can't be a mistake, you would amend it once spotted. Susan doesn't feature on his FB at all. They had three children....apparently!

I wonder when his profile picture was taken? Could that be a new child of his?

Mother Hubbard spent a lot of time with Kate, also in the UK. For a mother of two or three children that seems to be quite a lot.
Iirc she was also with Kate on several occasions - last time when the libel trial started up again in September.
If that is true she'd have had to come from Canada.

The Hubbard involvement is very 'off' imo.
Calling him 'Father' where there is no indication of high church
The rev saying things 'when I came into the presence of Kate and Gerry'
His constant affirmation of their martyrdom
His serendipidous arrival shortly after 'giving notice' on the 1st May
His generally giving the impression the church in PdL was his patch rather than graciously allowed to be used by the RC church.
His short tenure in Canada and 5 plus years in Pd and then back to Canada.
His not mentioning an earlier short tenure in PdL.
His wife speaking Portuguese - unusual unless she is a polyglot or had a reason for learning the language.

All the above may have perfectly good explanations - to be fair, I just don't like the man, too smug and condescending altogether imo.

by noddy100 06.06.14 7:00

Gabrielle def her daughter and she wa in Praia de luz last month

by Guest 06.06.14 10:25

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A picture of all 3 Hubbard children, taken I guess in around 2005 as the youngest one is of a similar age to the McCann twins.

Did his daughter really portray Madeleine in a documentary? There must be an age difference of about 7 years!

by Praia 06.06.14 12:13

No Gabrielle did not play Madeleine, she is 7 years older. She played Tasmin who supposedly saw a strange man outside 5A.

by Praia 06.06.14 12:19

They were in Brazil for a while and SH learnt Portuguese there. They married long before 2008.

Caspian was a baby when they arrived in Luz.

Like I said before I was told HH and KM were related but have no proof.

by petunia 06.06.14 13:43

When i clicked the link i thought she looked like Fifi at first glance..

by Praia 06.06.14 14:14

Jean, Caspian was born in early 2007.

by Guest 06.06.14 16:23

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He appears to be the same size (and age?) as the twins in this picture.

by Praia 06.06.14 17:10

No I know for sure because I held him as a baby in 2007.

by missbeetle 06.06.14 22:06

Praia wrote:No Gabrielle did not play Madeleine, she is 7 years older. She played Tasmin who supposedly saw a strange man outside 5A.

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by russiandoll 06.06.14 22:17

Made a journey to Portugal to make sure they got it right.......I bet he did !

by Praia 06.06.14 23:30

Do not believe the papers. Their only daughter is called Gabrielle and she was ten ish then.

by Guest 06.06.14 23:33

Praia, that Daily Star story does not say that the girl playing Madeleine was the Hubbards' daughter.

by Praia 06.06.14 23:42

Sorry Jean it's been a long week.
It became a myth all over the Maddie sites that it was the Hubbards daughter, she played Tamsin,with Susan as her mother.

by ultimaThule 06.06.14 23:56

tigger wrote:
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Mother Hubbard spent a lot of time with Kate, also in the UK. For a mother of two or three children that seems to be quite a lot.
Iirc she was also with Kate on several occasions - last time when the libel trial started up again in September.
If that is true she'd have had to come from Canada.

The Hubbard involvement is very 'off' imo.
Calling him 'Father' where there is no indication of high church
The rev saying things 'when I came into the presence of Kate and Gerry'
His constant affirmation of their martyrdom
His serendipidous arrival shortly after 'giving notice' on the 1st May
His generally giving the impression the church in PdL was his patch rather than graciously allowed to be used by the RC church.
His short tenure in Canada and 5 plus years in Pd and then back to Canada.
His not mentioning an earlier short tenure in PdL.
His wife speaking Portuguese - unusual unless she is a polyglot or had a reason for learning the language.

All the above may have perfectly good explanations - to be fair, I just don't like the man, too smug and condescending altogether imo.

I don't like him either, tigger. He reminds me of one of those bible belt TV preachers, all smooth-tongued smarm but strangely charmless.,who give every impression of being devoted to god and family but then get caught paying for the services of a succession of hookers.

Christians have it that god loves a sinner, in which case god doesn't have to look much further than those who preach from the bible to find one. yes

by ultimaThule 07.06.14 15:39

tigger wrote:He was posted to PdL very soon after 3/5/07. Coming from Canada, I believe. His wife was so supportive of Kate that she visited witnesses who were refusing to contact Kate. (see the Witnesses contacted by the McCanns topic)

I wonder what Pa Hubbard was up to when Ma was giving testimony for the McCanns in Lisbon? Ministering to his ~~frocks~~ flocks in Canada?

I also wonder why Ma Hubbard was chosen to take the stand when it would surely have been more impressive if her hubby, a man of the cloth who gives every appearance of being equally devoted to K&G's cause, had testified for them?