TB and Amaral - how we can help?

This is to ask everybody on this forum to gather together in this topic the following:

All available proof that the McCanns are able and have been able to lead fairly normal lives.
That it can be shown they are not suffering from the fact that Dr. Amaral and Tony Bennett have exercised the right of free citizens to have freedom of speech.

There is e.g. the video where they are smiling broadly just before the interview - then switch to misery.
There is the fact that Kate says in her book that she realized she could never show pleasure or smile in public.
There are many photographs which show the McCanns enjoying themselves - even very, very soon after the disappearance of their daughter.

Despite Ross' best efforts, I still haven't mastered the transfer of photos, but I'm going to the Mac shop today!
I know we can do this, if it is in one topic, it'll be easy to print out.

This is a link to the video where they are smiling broadly - although devastated on the first anniversary of Maddie's disappearance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVUnMtW9ciI

Gerry McCann laughing on a balcony after only 6 days (of "abduction").

12 September 2007

Published on Daily Express 24 June 2011 then removed on the same day

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tigger wrote:This is a link to the video where they are smiling broadly - although devastated on the first anniversary of Maddie's disappearance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVUnMtW9ciI

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Wow! Thanks that's a good start. Thanks, Ribisi. (is that a variety of cherry? just a wild guess)
I'm trawling through the bewk to find that statement of Kate re not showing pleasure in public. Curious, because they had no trouble with that sort of thing just after Madeleine was abducted by a paedophile.
Then there's Gerry going back to work after 6 months, giving a press conference in front to the Glenfield Hospital. Perfectly capable it seems.

Tigger thats a good idea There must be many examples of how carefree and happy they appear to have been since losing their daughter.

My first post so be gentle with me

tigger wrote:Wow! Thanks that's a good start. Thanks, Ribisi. (is that a variety of cherry? just a wild guess)
I'm trawling through the bewk to find that statement of Kate re not showing pleasure in public. Curious, because they had no trouble with that sort of thing just after Madeleine was abducted by a paedophile.
Then there's Gerry going back to work after 6 months, giving a press conference in front to the Glenfield Hospital. Perfectly capable it seems.

Hi tigger. It's redcurrent in Austrian I believe

To prove they are not unduly upset by the fact their daughter is still missing with all its ghastly implications, one needs to find more spontaneous images from their daily routine and talk to their work colleagues, greengrocers, lollipop lady and so on. They are always very controlled, stage managed in front of the camera and any brief lapse into laughter can be argued away as a momentary relief in their constant suffering as a result of something funny or amusing they've just seen or heard. This can happen even when one is genuinely grieving, and I've always thought it unfair to freeze frame a shot of them smiling or laughing momentarily.

Another point is that we are talking here about our perception of their mental state based on their behaviour as seen on videos in the public domain, which is highly subjective and therefore I doubt it would be much use in a court of law.

Having said all that I am more than happy to help gather these images. CR appear to work on the principle of volume over quality in their evidence gathering, so perhaps we should follow their example.

Much appreciated. Suddenly remember also something about Gerry sucking a lollipop and watching football when waiting at the PJ - not long after 3/5. That's on record somewhere. The PJ were surprised and who can wonder.
Certainly I'll get hold of Kate's bit in the book which was something like: was this how my life was going to be? Never to be able to show pleasure in public?

Gerry must have been holding down his job in some way or other, so has anyone died because he was unable to function properly?

At least we have time to gather this information.

tigger wrote:This is to ask everybody on this forum to gather together in this topic the following:

All available proof that the McCanns are able and have been able to lead fairly normal lives.
That it can be shown they are not suffering from the fact that Dr. Amaral and Tony Bennett have exercised the right of free citizens to have freedom of speech.

There is e.g. the video where they are smiling broadly just before the interview - then switch to misery.
There is the fact that Kate says in her book that she realized she could never show pleasure or smile in public.
There are many photographs which show the McCanns enjoying themselves - even very, very soon after the disappearance of their daughter.

Despite Ross' best efforts, I still haven't mastered the transfer of photos, but I'm going to the Mac shop today!
I know we can do this, if it is in one topic, it'll be easy to print out.

To: Tigger.

It seems Dr. Gerald Mc Cann is to be applauded for continuing -in 2007!- his activities a a researcher for LABOME.ORG PROTEIN-TAG GROUP (google this LABOME.ORG and you'll ger the organisations profile and collaborators, one of which is/was dr Gerald McCann. In view of the very specialized nature of this Protein-tag group, one could ask whether it has/had anything to do with IVF and/or the almost instant conception of the twins in the Netherlands and/or medical experiments on children with heart conditions as indicated by colombomae of the eye? I seem to recall that in the early days when the colomboma was first discussed, some comments were that this sort of eye defect indicated a possible heartproblem (?)

In any case, dr McCann was able to continue working in and after 2007, and did so.

Gerry P McCann Summary Contact: Enter your email address here to obtain the publicly available contact info for "Gerry P McCann ". Affiliation: University Hospitals of Leicester Country: UK Publications Delayed contrast-enhanced magnetic resonance imaging in pulmonary arterial hypertension Gerry P McCann Department of Cardiology, VU University Medical Center, Amsterdam, The Netherlands Circulation 112:e268. 2005 Cardiovascular magnetic resonance activity in the United Kingdom: a survey on behalf of the British Society of Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance Renjith Antony Scottish National Advanced Heart Failure Service, Golden Jubilee Hospital, Agamemnon Street, Glasgow, G81 4DY, UK J Cardiovasc Magn Reson 13:57. 2011 Dressler's syndrome demonstrated by late gadolinium enhancement cardiovascular magnetic resonance Christopher D Steadman University Hospitals of Leicester, UK J Cardiovasc Magn Reson 11:23. 2009 Extent of myocardial infarction and reverse remodeling assessed by cardiac magnetic resonance in patients with and without right bundle branch block following alcohol septal ablation for obstructive hypertrophic cardiomyopathy Gerald P McCann Cardiology Department, University Hospitals Leicester, Leicester, United Kingdom Am J Cardiol 99:563-7. 2007 Extent of MRI delayed enhancement of myocardial mass is related to right ventricular dysfunction in pulmonary artery hypertension Gerry P McCann Department of Cardiology, VU University Medical Center, Amsterdam, The Netherlands AJR Am J Roentgenol 188:349-55. 2007 Functional outcome after revascularization in patients with chronic ischemic heart disease: a quantitative late gadolinium enhancement CMR study evaluating transmural scar extent, wall thickness and periprocedural necrosis Olga Bondarenko Department of Cardiology, VU University Medical Center, Amsterdam, The Netherlands J Cardiovasc Magn Reson 9:815-21. 2007

Collaborators Folkert J ten Cate A M Beek R Nijveldt Olga Bondarenko Renjith Antony Christopher D Steadman James Moon Stefan Neubauer Mark C Petrie Safa Daghem Marwa Daghem Henry J Dargie Dudley J Pennell John Payne Nathaniel M Hawkins Colin Berry Jeffrey Khoo Jan Kovac

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Publications6

1. Delayed contrast-enhanced magnetic resonance imaging in pulmonary arterial hypertension
   Gerry P McCann
   Department of Cardiology, VU University Medical Center, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
   Circulation 112:e268. 2005
   
2. Cardiovascular
   magnetic resonance activity in the United Kingdom: a survey on behalf
   of the British Society of Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance
   Renjith Antony
   Scottish National Advanced Heart Failure Service, Golden Jubilee Hospital, Agamemnon Street, Glasgow, G81 4DY, UK
   J Cardiovasc Magn Reson 13:57. 2011
   ..The
   indications, complexity and capabilities of cardiovascular magnetic
   resonance (CMR) have rapidly expanded. Whether actual service provision
   and training have developed in parallel is unknown...
   
3. Dressler's syndrome demonstrated by late gadolinium enhancement cardiovascular magnetic resonance
   Christopher D Steadman
   University Hospitals of Leicester, UK
   J Cardiovasc Magn Reson 11:23. 2009
   ..Cardiovascular
   magnetic resonance 5 weeks after the acute presentation showed
   transmural infarction and global late gadolinium enhancement of the
   pericardium in keeping with Dressler's syndrome...
   
4. Extent
   of myocardial infarction and reverse remodeling assessed by cardiac
   magnetic resonance in patients with and without right bundle branch
   block following alcohol septal ablation for obstructive hypertrophic
   cardiomyopathy
   Gerald P McCann
   Cardiology Department, University Hospitals Leicester, Leicester, United Kingdom
   Am J Cardiol 99:563-7. 2007
   ..In
   conclusion, patients who develop RBBB after ASA tend to have more
   extensive transmural septal infarctions and greater reverse remodeling
   than those without RBBB...
   
5. Extent
   of MRI delayed enhancement of myocardial mass is related to right
   ventricular dysfunction in pulmonary artery hypertension
   Gerry P McCann
   Department of Cardiology, VU University Medical Center, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
   AJR Am J Roentgenol 188:349-55. 2007
   ..The
   purpose of our study was to assess the presence and extent of delayed
   contrast enhancement of ventricular myocardium in pulmonary artery
   hypertension...
   
6. Functional
   outcome after revascularization in patients with chronic ischemic heart
   disease: a quantitative late gadolinium enhancement CMR study
   evaluating transmural scar extent, wall thickness and periprocedural
   necrosis
   Olga Bondarenko
   Department of Cardiology, VU University Medical Center, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
   J Cardiovasc Magn Reson 9:815-21. 2007
   ..However, the presence of a significant residual, viable rim was of no additional diagnostic value...
   

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Some random comments follwoing the discovery of the Labome connection.

Interesting, isn't it? Genomes & Genes: growth factors. Who said poor Madeleine was small for her age?

Remarkable: another one of the collaborators is a John Payne. Coincidence?

Am I the only one who always thought it amazing that the male Tapasniks were all about the same age, approaching middle age, relatively old for having first children; and yet all had relatively small, almost identical and interchangeable blonde children (daughters to boot) about the same ages? So interchangeable in fact that the creche nannies appear not to have been able to tell them apart, and there is a lot of confusion about the children in the now available photographs. How come these dark haired men (GM, RoB, MO and DP) spawned blonde children, with dark haired wives (JT, RO) or brown haired (KM always highlighting hers). Only Fiona seems to be a natural blonde, but who knows?

Were they not only 'into each other' but also into some very sophisticated genetic research? Who else -aside from the Tapas 9- was there at the Ocean Club? Were there any more 3yr old blond girls?

What's the name of that old movie again: the Boys from Brazil?

It can't have been a matter of simple paedophilia; if it had been, the word alone would have been avoided like the plague!

"What's the name of that old movie again: the Boys from Brazil?"

Brilliant film although quite sinister.


And back on topic.

It wouldn't help, of course, to include photos of Shannon Matthews mum. Afterall she is the classic of how we all expected, myself included, Kate McCann to behave and looked what happened there.

Ok I will take my devil's advocate head off my shoulders now and wave a white flag of surrender.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rQazjM-bCo

That one of the classic of classics- Kate BBC Panaroma interview with Jon Corner.
Wonder what kate was on there - she looks high as kite!

How come these dark haired men (GM, RoB, MO and DP) spawned blonde
children, with dark haired wives (JT, RO) or brown haired (KM always
highlighting hers). Only Fiona seems to be a natural blonde, but who
knows?

A lot of children with dark haired parents start out blond but then get darker as they grow older. I think Madeleine was probably getting darker but we don't really know because most of the photos we see are her as a two-three year old rather than nearly four.

Hello Portia,
When I just started to research all this I went into the cloning/genetics quite a bit. However, I gave up on that in the end.
It's not really an option imo. I can think of quite a lot of better people to experiment on, certainly younger ones.
The coloboma - when we still thought there was one, I believe is sometimes a symptom of Turner's syndrome. Which would also have a slow growth factor. But again, we don't know how tall Maddie was in reality, since the early photographs are from when she was two to two and a half. They gave her height as 90 cm, which is ridiculously short for a 4 year old.
However, if we accept Maddie as the tennis girl - we have measured her against the know diameter of tennis balls and make her at least 114 cm. tall.
About right. There she looks lanky.
Other photographs and videos she looks tiny.

I do think, as you do? that there was definitely something wrong with her. Those heavy bags under her eyes, try and look up the one with her grandfather on a bench, one with her sitting on the grass by some flowers and one on the steps with Gerry and the twins - none of them often reproduced. In all of those you'd almost think she was Downs or borderline.
I think that one of the reasons she died is that she did have something wrong with her - that's why she always had to be prettied up on photographs, so much make up on so many (lippy, eyeliner or mascara). How Jon Corner managed to make her look so ethereal and stunning in his video, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure she didn't look like that.
In quite a few I think she looks ill and when she isn't smiling you can see the right side of her face droops a little.
LadyHeather put forward a theory that her 'disappearance' was going to put her out of her misery. At least the excuse the whole family could use as long as suitable religious observation of the rites for the dead were seen to be done. They didn't catch religion for no reason at all, imo.
Imo she wasn't so ill that she could not lead a fairly normal life in the right circumstances. But I wouldn't think giving her Calpol on a regular basis was going to help. Lots of love and attention might have.

One reason for the description of 90 cm is that the substitute (I'm convinced there was one) was younger, blonder and shy.
So the photograph had to look like her as much as possible.

(I've answered your question on Labome on the IVF topic)
Thanks for all the stuff on Gerry, seems he's doing fine and hasn't killed any patients so far. So good.
Kate managed to write a book, doing yet another one, travelled all over the world giving interviews - pretty busy despite being devastated by the likes of Amaral and TB.

Miraflores wrote:
A lot of children with dark haired parents start out blond but then get darker as they grow older. I think Madeleine was probably getting darker but we don't really know because most of the photos we see are her as a two-three year old rather than nearly four.

Something I have always thought really odd, and I apologise if it is off-topic on this thread - Jill Renwick, one of the very early friends and family who commented on jemmied shutters etc, also referred (inaccurately) to Maddie as a very beautiful child, blonde, "almost white blonde". It makes you wonder if she ever met Maddie, who had brown hair really, not even golden blonde, or whether she had only ever met Amelie who was definitely white blonde at the time, although recent photos show she has also got brown hair now. I believe this woman was the initial connection to Gordon Brown via his brother who lived in her street. Sorry, just another thing that doesn't make any sense.

Tigger,

Don't forget to include photo of mccanns walkabout,collecting flowers, and looking very happy on Maddie 4th b/day..
That day should be a poignant reminder Maddie was no longer with them for what should have been her 4th b/day, and most people would be sad just thinking about it, but the mccanns looked just the opposite - they appeared happy and without a care in the world.

There is also the photos of them (I think in Morocco, although I amy be wrong) where they were wearing the dark suits they bought to visit the Pope. There were hordes of local children waving Maddie posters at them and the MCs were smiling and waving as they acknowledged their adoring fans. Completely sickening. Poor Maddie.

I think Gerry in the "Ask the Dogs Sandra" interview where he is grinning and chuckling to himself is a good example. Also Kate in the video where she is in Team McCann headqarters, she certainly isnt "non-functioning" then. She looks pretty organized to me.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post this link. If I've got it wrong please delete it Moderators.

I'm posting the link to Gerry's blogs. I think it needs to be read as a whole and not snipped (I'll put the link up in forensic linguistics for that if it's ok to do that). Look at the entry for 20 May....17 days after Madeleine went missing...and there is no evidence of any strife as their day begins when they wake up at 6.30am with them all waking up around the same time. Now if the McCanns can do that 17 DAYS after Madeleine went missing it's pretty poor bloody show that they can sue people for lack of sleep, anxiety, fear etc.

Could a moderator let me know what I'm allowed to link to from another site?

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id13.html

Are we concentrating on examples from after Mr Amarals book or before?

aquila wrote:I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post this link. If I've got it wrong please delete it Moderators.

I'm posting the link to Gerry's blogs. I think it needs to be read as a whole and not snipped (I'll put the link up in forensic linguistics for that if it's ok to do that). Look at the entry for 20 May....17 days after Madeleine went missing...and there is no evidence of any strife as their day begins when they wake up at 6.30am with them all waking up around the same time. Now if the McCanns can do that 17 DAYS after Madeleine went missing it's pretty poor bloody show that they can sue people for lack of sleep, anxiety, fear etc.

Could a moderator let me know what I'm allowed to link to from another site?

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id13.html

Mccannfiles is an excellent and trusted site and there's no problem posting a link to it here.

In fact whenever anything is posted about Maddie it is good to post a source link please.

And if you or anyone else finds a good 'Maddie site;' then it can be added to the list on this link
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2287-links-to-other-blogs-and-sites

admin wrote:

aquila wrote:I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post this link. If I've got it wrong please delete it Moderators.

I'm posting the link to Gerry's blogs. I think it needs to be read as a whole and not snipped (I'll put the link up in forensic linguistics for that if it's ok to do that). Look at the entry for 20 May....17 days after Madeleine went missing...and there is no evidence of any strife as their day begins when they wake up at 6.30am with them all waking up around the same time. Now if the McCanns can do that 17 DAYS after Madeleine went missing it's pretty poor bloody show that they can sue people for lack of sleep, anxiety, fear etc.

Could a moderator let me know what I'm allowed to link to from another site?

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id13.html

Mccannfiles is an excellent and trusted site and there's no problem posting a link to it here.

In fact whenever anything is posted about Maddie it is good to post a source link please.

And if you or anyone else finds a good 'Maddie site;' then it can be added to the list on this link
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2287-links-to-other-blogs-and-sites

Thanks Admin

Miraflores wrote:
A lot of children with dark haired parents start out blond but then get darker as they grow older. I think Madeleine was probably getting darker but we don't really know because most of the photos we see are her as a two-three year old rather than nearly four.

evidence from photos of the darkening hair, a lot of light brown gradually mixing in with the blonde and on the photo of her coming out of the playhouse soon after arriving in PDL, only last third of her hair is fair, roots and most of the length a lot darker, still unable to post photos sorry, but there are a few similar, the Donegal ones especially. And the famous tennis ball photo.

russiandoll wrote:Miraflores wrote:
A lot of children with dark haired parents start out blond but then get darker as they grow older. I think Madeleine was probably getting darker but we don't really know because most of the photos we see are her as a two-three year old rather than nearly four.

evidence from photos of the darkening hair, a lot of light brown gradually mixing in with the blonde and on the photo of her coming out of the playhouse soon after arriving in PDL, only last third of her hair is fair, roots and most of the length a lot darker, still unable to post photos sorry, but there are a few similar, the Donegal ones especially. And the famous tennis ball photo.

since she was wearing make up in so many photos, I wouldn't be surprised if her hair was dyed - a hair colour changing naturally isn't like growing out colouring. (last third of her hair is fair?) What do you think?

tigger wrote:

russiandoll wrote:Miraflores wrote:
A lot of children with dark haired parents start out blond but then get darker as they grow older. I think Madeleine was probably getting darker but we don't really know because most of the photos we see are her as a two-three year old rather than nearly four.

evidence from photos of the darkening hair, a lot of light brown gradually mixing in with the blonde and on the photo of her coming out of the playhouse soon after arriving in PDL, only last third of her hair is fair, roots and most of the length a lot darker, still unable to post photos sorry, but there are a few similar, the Donegal ones especially. And the famous tennis ball photo.

since she was wearing make up in so many photos, I wouldn't be surprised if her hair was dyed - a hair colour changing naturally isn't like growing out colouring. (last third of her hair is fair?) What do you think?

don't forget that 'delightful' photograph of the crimped hair that was released for the world to see when everyone was looking for her.

Many many years ago my mum used to plait my hair overnight to get that effect.