LISA IRWIN, 10 months: parents make tearful plea - AND - Aaliyah Lunsford, missing in U.S., aged 3: LATEST

Surely according to the McCanns this is all well within the bounds of responsible parenting?

Given they have so far followed the McCann model for what to do and how to act, we should expect explanations for cadaver odour such as:

I was eating sea bass in bed and some dropped on the floor
I had dirty nappies next to the bed
I had contact with 6 cadavers in the last few weeks during the course of my day
I don't know why the dog reacted - ask the dogs (insert interviewers name)

Won't it be marvellous when this gets to court and the evidence of the cadaver dog is admitted? These people aren't well connected, like Caylee, this will come out.
I wonder when Lisa was last seen by independent witnesses.

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The search warrant issued to use the dogs as well as recover other items is subject to the Sunshine law in Missouri and is available to the public.

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I think it is time for the mother to come clean...........................

They don't have the same clone and connection as the mccanns so couldnt ban the papers from reporting the dogs findings which bear hugh implication. The irony is they'd consented to the Police bringing in those dogs, unlike the mccanns where the PJ spring the dogs on them by surprise.

I am left wondering whether Lisa's parents know about cadaver trained dogs or the implication of it or is it a fact that refusing to allow it would implicate guilt anyway so they'd no choice but to consent.

Is Jeremy going to mimic gerry and say ........"ask the dogs" when posed the question what he thought about the dogs markings? They sure cant come up with the 6 corpses contact excuse kate came up with.

Lisa's case is going to be cracked with or without the body evidence sooner than later now that the police can piece together circumstantial evidence with dogs markings. Let's face it Lisa's parents are getting more and more nervous...and they haven't got heavy weight supporters or politicians behind them nor an influential x-government mouthpiece to spin for them.

Like Tigger, I wonder when the baby was last seen by anyone else. I thought it was odd to read a quote from the mother that she did not want her sons to be interviewed. They are old enough to be able to provide useful information on that point.

Jean wrote:It speaks volumes doesn't it that the McCanns have made no public comments on this case? No sending of good wishes and hopes that the baby will be found safe. I guess that they know that, in such circumstances, the chances of the parents not being involved are exremely remote.

I suspect their lawyers have instructed them not to.
They got seriously bitten last time, when the dog 'evidence' was subsequently shown to have been absolutely correct.

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the mccanns supported this family and it backfired. The dad was made arguido and charged with homicide of the his two children during his custody.

Thank you for the link frank. Very interesting that cadaver dogs can still pick up the scent of a dead body after 28 years.

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the mccanns supported this family and it backfired. The dad was made arguido and charged with homicide of the his two children during his custody.

I didn't know about this.

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the mccanns supported this family and it backfired. The dad was made arguido and charged with homicide of the his two children during his custody.

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9 October 2011


Madeleine’s Parents Support the Family of the Missing Children in Córdoba


The
parents of the missing girl Madeleine McCann, Kate and Gerry have
wanted to show their solidarity with the family of the two missing
children in Córdoba and have said that they are “in all heart” with them
and hope that they will be found “safe and sound”.

“We have
heard about this case but we do not know the details of what happened.
We are in all heart with the parents and hope that they will soon be
found safe and sound; we know from experience how hard it is when a
child is abducted and we always feel with all our hearts for the parents
whose children have also been kidnapped”, said Gerry McCann.

Madeleine’s
father made these statements during a press conference in Madrid where
they presented a book entitled “Madeleine” in which the girl’s mother
reconstructs the facts since the disappearance of her daughter on 3rd
May 2007.

“When Madeleine disappeared at the beginning it was
suggested to us that we should meet with other parents whose children
had been abducted. This seemed a totally crazy idea to us because we
thought that we were going to find our daughter straight away. We could
not imagine that four and a half years later we would still be searching
for her and now we know this feeling of other parents and we feel with
all our hearts for them”, added Gerry.

On the 10th October the
siblings Ruth (aged six) and José (aged two) disappeared from a park in
Córdoba. Since then National Police officers have been investigating the
whereabouts of the children whose father was arrested on Tuesday in the
face of indications of a possible crime of homicide.

Read elsewhere that José Bretón, the father of the missing children, was placed under preventive arrest without bail by the instruction judge after the reconstruction of the events, and he is now officially an arguido.

This crime broke news while mccanns were doing their bewk promotion in SPAIN and now that the 'father' of the missing children is charged with homicide and simulation of crime (faked abduction) I wonder whether the mccanns are still going to continue to support this "poor man" whose children he claimed was taken from him at the park within a very "tiny window of opportunity".

The funny thing is no witness had seen the children with him at the park, neither did CCTV capture those children as being with him in the park.
Sounds familiar isn't it? Oh dear, the mccanns had put their foot in it again and you can bet your bottom dollar the mccanns will drop their support for this family like a proverbial ton of bricks, and they wont ever be mentioned again from the mccanns' mouth.

Statistics don't lie and one would have thought the mccanns of all people should have known better; but NO they simply could not RESIST using the golden opportunity to express support for the "poor family" hoping to highlight attention to their own plight...hmmm I mean their bewk promotion --- and, OH BOY, what an irony, the father of the missing children turns out to be the Perpetrator and not victim of those two missing children.

It's a surprise to me the mccanns hadnt jumped onto the bandwagon of Lisa's case. Just imagine the eerie coincidence - no abduction and cadaver detested in Lisa's b/room and her parents ever changing testimonies.....sounds familiar?

happychick wrote:Thank you for the link frank. Very interesting that cadaver dogs can still pick up the scent of a dead body after 28 years.

So effectively they're using their attorney to diss the dogs........? Er.....what are they afraid of?

Are they saying someone had died in their house 28 years ago or what are they saying? Surely the Police can verify that, not that that's the point b/c cadaver was detested in Lisa's room.

They are not going to evade or fool the law enforcers for much longer ......

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the mccanns supported this family and it backfired. The dad was made arguido and charged with homicide of the his two children during his custody.

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9 October 2011


Madeleine’s Parents Support the Family of the Missing Children in Córdoba


The
parents of the missing girl Madeleine McCann, Kate and Gerry have
wanted to show their solidarity with the family of the two missing
children in Córdoba and have said that they are “in all heart” with them
and hope that they will be found “safe and sound”.

“We have
heard about this case but we do not know the details of what happened.
We are in all heart with the parents and hope that they will soon be
found safe and sound; we know from experience how hard it is when a
child is abducted and we always feel with all our hearts for the parents
whose children have also been kidnapped”, said Gerry McCann.

Madeleine’s
father made these statements during a press conference in Madrid where
they presented a book entitled “Madeleine” in which the girl’s mother
reconstructs the facts since the disappearance of her daughter on 3rd
May 2007.

“When Madeleine disappeared at the beginning it was
suggested to us that we should meet with other parents whose children
had been abducted. This seemed a totally crazy idea to us because we
thought that we were going to find our daughter straight away. We could
not imagine that four and a half years later we would still be searching
for her and now we know this feeling of other parents and we feel with
all our hearts for them”, added Gerry.

On the 10th October the
siblings Ruth (aged six) and José (aged two) disappeared from a park in
Córdoba. Since then National Police officers have been investigating the
whereabouts of the children whose father was arrested on Tuesday in the
face of indications of a possible crime of homicide.

Read elsewhere that José Bretón, the father of the missing children, was placed under preventive arrest without bail by the instruction judge after the reconstruction of the events, and he is now officially an arguido.

This crime broke news while mccanns were doing their bewk promotion in SPAIN and now that the 'father' of the missing children is charged with homicide and simulation of crime (faked abduction) I wonder whether the mccanns are still going to continue to support this "poor man" whose children he claimed was taken from him at the park within a very "tiny window of opportunity".

The funny thing is no witness had seen the children with him at the park, neither did CCTV capture those children as being with him in the park.
Sounds familiar isn't it? Oh dear, the mccanns had put their foot in it again and you can bet your bottom dollar the mccanns will drop their support for this family like a proverbial ton of bricks, and they wont ever be mentioned again from the mccanns' mouth.

Statistics don't lie and one would have thought the mccanns of all people should have known better; but NO they simply could not RESIST using the golden opportunity to express support for the "poor family" hoping to highlight attention to their own plight...hmmm I mean their bewk promotion --- and, OH BOY, what an irony, the father of the missing children turns out to be the Perpetrator and not victim of those two missing children.

It's a surprise to me the mccanns hadnt jumped onto the bandwagon of Lisa's case. Just imagine the eerie coincidence - no abduction and cadaver detested in Lisa's b/room and her parents ever changing testimonies.....sounds familiar?

A snip from this post, a Gerry quote,



“When Madeleine disappeared at the beginning it was
suggested to us that we should meet with other parents whose children
had been abducted. This seemed a totally crazy idea to us because we
thought that we were going to find our daughter straight away. We could
not imagine that four and a half years later we would still be searching
for her and now we know this feeling of other parents and we feel with
all our hearts for them”, added Gerry.



So Madeleine was going to be found straight away was she, well why the website, the planned events, the fund and all the very poor quality merchandise, sold to make lots of money? Eh Gerry lad, I am not as green as I am cabbage looking .

Cadaver dog alerts to scent of dead body in home of Baby Lisa Irwin (video)

Kansas City, Mo. - An affidavit released Friday indicates an FBI cadaver dog alerted to the scent of a dead human this week inside the home of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin.

The alert was one of the reasons authorities decided to re-search the Irwin family home on Wednesday and Thursday, reportedly utilizing bomb squad X-ray equipment.

The legal document indicates the cadaver dog smelled the scent of a dead body Baby Lisa's mother's bedroom.


The affidavit reads in part, “On Oct. 17, 2011, an FBI cadaver dog was brought into the residence upon consent of Irwin and Bradley. The cadaver dog indicated a positive 'hit' for the scent of a deceased human in an area of the floor of Bradley's bedroom near the bed.”


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The suppossed witness sightings of Baby Lisa's abductor are ludicrous. The first one reported, by neighbours down the road at around midnight might be believable but the other one? Waling around for almost 4 hours with a near-naked abducted baby when the "abductor" would have no way of knowing at what time the alarm would be raised?! It is farsical. Especially in the US, where nobody walks, they drive.

Ms Bradley and Mr Irwin's lawyer, Joe Tacopina, has defended his clients - saying that police claims that a cadaver dog had smelt the scent of a deceased body in their bedroom proved nothing.

'There is absolutely not a stitch of evidence in this case that there was an accidental death caused by Deborah,' he told Fox News.
He disputed that police dogs had sensed the smell of a deceased body, saying it was 'decomposing remains', which could include faecal matter.
Mr Tacopina stated that claims made against Ms Bradley had caused her 'great pain' and said there was a 'witch-hunt' against her.

Meanwhile, another lawyer for Baby Lisa's parents has spoken out to question the thoroughness of the police search in the family home.

Cyndy Short said that despite hours of intensive combing there was not much disturbance, which she told Good Morning America she found 'frankly surprising'.
Her words come she was forced to hit back at reports of police cadaver dog smelling the scent of a dead body on a bedroom floor in the house.
Miss Short said the cadaver dog development could be misleading detectives because the scent could be decades old.
She told Good Morning America: 'My understanding is that there are cold cases where dogs have hit on scents of decomposition that have been in the home for as long as 28 years.
'This is an old home - 63 years old. There could be a lot of other explanations for that.'
Mr Garrett said the dogs have a great accuracy record, adding: 'In studies done of cadaver dogs where the dog has direct access to the scent and it's reasonably fresh - it's above 90 per cent.'
On Friday it emerged that a cadaver dog got a 'positive hit' during a search at the home in Kansas City, Missouri, where the 11-month-old vanished three weeks ago.
Officers said that they removed items including a multi-coloured comforter, purple shorts, a Disney shirt, a glow warm toy, a 'Cars'-themed blanket, rolls of tape and a tape dispenser.
Ms Bradley had previously told police that her daughter was wearing purple shorts and a purple T-shirt when she put her to bed.
In the search warrant, officers indicated that Ms Bradley and Mr Irwin had restricted police access to their home.


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TIMELINE: THE SEARCH FOR MISSING BABY LISA

October 3: Mother spotted on surveillance footage buying wine at grocery store with unidentified man. Claims she put Lisa to bed at 10:30pm.
October 4: Father arrives home at 4am to find Lisa missing from her cot
October 5: Couple plead for daughter’s safe return
October 6: Police claim parents are no longer cooperating
October 7: Landfill close to home searched for second time and mother claims she has been told she has failed a lie detector test
October 9: Police go back to home to re-enact possible abduction scenario
October 10: Drainage ditch searched near the couple’s home
October 11: Lisa’s 11-month birthday and local media are subpoenaed to hand over all interview footage of parents and friends to police
October 12: New York detective Bill Stanton says he has been hired by a private benefactor to work with parents
October 14: Anonymous donor offers $100,000 reward for the return of Lisa
October 17: Police dog smells scent of dead body in house
October 18: Mother admits she was drinking on night of disappearance
October 19: Officers carry out 17-hour search of house
October 21: Witnesses appear on TV claiming that they saw a man with a naked baby on the night Lisa disappeared

snipped "Just the thought of putting his clients in a room with police officers makes defense lawyer John Picerno nervous.

“My own view is that my clients should never talk to police,” Picerno said Tuesday. “I tell them, ‘The prisons are full of people who talked to the police. The police are going to do what they are going to do, with or without your cooperation and your statement.’ ” Still, defense lawyers and former investigators said that ongoing negotiations between police and attorneys for the parents of a missing 11-month-old girl over the conditions for more interviews are a routine part of the system."

Snipped "Police have issued public appeals to Bradley and Irwin for separate “unrestricted” interviews to follow up on issues raised at their last formal interrogation on Oct. 8. “We want to know what they have to say on their own,” Young said".

Snipped "The parents also have refused to allow police to have specially trained social workers reinterview their older children from previous relationships, boys ages 6 and 8 who were at the home when Lisa disappeared."

snipped "Tip rate slows
The investigation into Lisa Irwin’s disappearance entered its fourth week Tuesday.
So far, investigators have received 976 tips and cleared 793 of them. The rate of tips coming in has started to slow, Kansas City police said. Many calls now are from psychics or people offering suggestions for how police should conduct their investigation.

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And now the psychic's come out to play too. Have Phil McCann and Jon Corner been giving their recommendations?

Jolhn Picemo: “I tell them, ‘The prisons are full of people who talked to the
police. The police are going to do what they are going to do, with or
without your cooperation and your statement.’

It just goes to show the guilty will inadvertently self incriminate under questioning, hence only the guilty will refuse to talk or co-operate with the police. Using John Picemo's logic applied to the police, then by the same token, it goes without saying that "no innocent will refuse to talk to the Police with or without their defense lawyer's advice". Any parent who wants their missing child found would be desperate to help the police, not other way round.

This is just another eerie echo of mccanns case.

An interesting report here with a tour of some of the family home - wonder where the idea for the T-shirts came from!

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Still hardly any mainstream news on the other missing little girl - Aliayah Lunsford. She's been missing for over a month now. Yet there seems to be a virtual media blackout on her disappearence, and only community & online groups trying to raise her profile. Very weird.

Here's a couple of links to the latest news on Aliayah:

"At this point, officials with the FBI say there are few leads in the case."

"The FBI also said last week there was little hope that Aliayah was still alive."

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Folks Hope Social Media Will Keep Aliayah Lunsford's Story Alive

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Latest news:Aliayah Lunsford Investigation Expands to Southern Lewis County
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This poor baby still hasn't been found I have followed this case closely from the beginning and have noticed a lot of similarity's with the McCann case with respect to the parents and familiy's behaviour and actions.


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Noooo! that's surely got to be photoshopped? Do you have a link to the original source of the pic?

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Sorry guy's! I have just checked the source I got the pic from (Websleuths) and it is photoshopped. They have now removed it.

I will edit my post.

Lisa Irwin Case: Detective Corrects Quotes
December 08, 2011 06:10 AM EST

In the case of Lisa Irwin, it's been reported that a private investigator spoke with law enforcement about items the cadaver dogs hit to the scent of death. This article is meant to correct the numerous misquoted reports for Mr. Rugen of Rugen Team Investigations, LLC.

It was mistakenly reported by several online sources that Ron Rugen shared that he talked to law enforcement about Lisa Irwin. It was widely written that he was told about items that were removed from the home of Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin. However, this is not true. Although the private investigator does have credible information his quote is actually as follows:

"A source close to law enforcement tells me that cadaver dog in the Lisa Irwin missing baby case hit on a blanket, a toy, and her clothes last reported wearing. If true, that means the fluid that secretes from the body upon death were possibly on those items."


It's great that Ron Rugen chose to provide this quote exclusively for Gather to help clear things up. It's easy to misreport details when so many sources have mixed up the actual wording.

Lisa Irwin is still missing

The little girl is still missing, but there are a lot of clues in the case for detectives to sort through. It seems that the physical search for the missing infant has ended, and the investigation is under way. Hopefully investigators find out what happened to the little girl.

Chelsea Hoffman, the author of "Ladykiller" and three other novels, can be followed and contacted directly by clicking here.

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A new report about her case.

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An update on the Aliayah Lunsford case. It seems her mother has been charged with her murder. Aliayah Lunsford went missing in 2011. 

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The witnesses to the murder have come forward. Although I can't find it in print, what led me here was a comment from a man on Peter Hyatt's facebook page who claims the dead child's siblings turned whistleblower although the press articles about the case say only that witnesses to the murder have come forward. 

Makes you wonder.....

By/ Crimesider Staff/ CBS/AP/ November 4, 2016, 11:49 AM

Mother of long-missing W.Va. girl Aliayah Lunsford charged

Aliayah Lunsford is pictured, left, next to an age-progressed image developed by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children

Last Updated Nov 4, 2016 12:17 PM EDT

WESTON, W.Va. -- The mother of a 3-year-old girl who disappeared in 2011 was arrested Thursday in Florida and is being sent back to West Virginia to face charges, authorities said.

Aliayah Lunsford was 3 years old when she was reported missing on Sept. 24, 2011, from her West Virginia home. At the time, hundreds of people aided federal, state and local authorities in the search for the girl as FBI investigators went door to door and dive teams scoured a local river.

But according to the criminal complaint against Lena Lunsford, police believe Aliayah died in her home as the result of blunt force trauma inflicted by her mother in side their Lewis County, W.V., home Police allege that Lunsford struck the little girl in the head with “a solid hand held object” then did not allow anyone present to help Aliayah or call for help. The little girl allegedly died within hours.

The complaint alleges that Lena Lunsford, 34, then attempted to conceal the crime by making up a kidnapping story, “destroying evidence, concealing the victim’s body” and telling witnesses to keep quiet.

Sheriff Adam Gissy in West Virginia’s Lewis County told The Exponent Telegram that Lena Lunsford was in custody in Pinellas County, Florida. He added that she was awaiting extradition on a charge of death of a child by a parent by child abuse.

Gissy declined to tell the newspaper whether the girl’s body had been found.

Pinellas County jail records showed Lunsford was booked there Thursday on a fugitive warrant from West Virginia and subsequently released Thursday afternoon from jail to be returned to Lewis County. Lunsford had been living in an apartment in St. Petersburg.

It wasn’t immediately clear if she had an attorney.

Lena Lunsford had reported she checked on her daughter in her bed early the morning of Sept. 24, 2011, and then found her gone when she looked in on her again later that morning. At the time, the woman was eight months pregnant and subsequently gave birth to twins.

Lunsford spent eight months in prison for welfare fraud after her daughter vanished, then had additional short stays on probation violations, records show. Her parental rights were terminated by the West Virginia courts, and her six other children were put in state custody.

In 2011 during the search for the missing girl, the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children dispatched a retired investigator to advise local officers.
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"......alleges that Lena Lunsford, 34, then attempted to conceal the crime by "making up a kidnapping story, destroying evidence, concealing the victim’s body" and telling witnesses "to keep quiet."

Sound 'familiar'?