Re: New Madeleine McCann book will claim missing tot is already dead

by Bird131 25.05.24 11:42

Silentscope, I'll contact Danie ask whether he is 'back on the case.'

by Silentscope 25.05.24 18:15

Baia Dankie Bird

by Bird131 25.05.24 19:40

Hi Silentscope #178, I contacted DK and although he did not go into any details, his reply (to your question), was a firm "Jip."

by crusader 25.05.24 20:04

That should prove interesting.

by Silentscope 25.05.24 21:02

At least with multiple Patents and now PROVEN Technology any results should prove very interesting indeed.

Thanks again Bird!

S

by **Jill Havern** 25.05.24 21:15

Have you started reading your book yet Sharon?

by **sharonl** 25.05.24 22:07

Jill Havern wrote:Have you started reading your book yet Sharon?

It hasn't arrived yet Jill.

by **Jill Havern** 26.05.24 12:03

As Bernt Stellander's new book 'The Sudden Impulse' is being discussed on this forum, and it is clearly an extension of Ben Salmon's work 'The House on the Black Rock' - although the House isn't part of his final investigation, nor was it the initial 'sudden impulse' hiding spot using the fridge freezer...I would say this blog article from 2016 is what spurred Bernt to investigate in the first instance...

https://h42a.wordpress.com/2016/12/28/black/

...it is interesting to note that Verdi was also steering us away from this 2016 topic or, at least, wasn't overly thrilled about it being discussed...

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13362-the-house-on-the-black-rock?highlight=Rocha+negro

So, just posting this for reference...nothing else.

I mention Ben's 2016 research only because Bernt has gone several steps further, over many years, than Ben obviously could because a) he lived in the UK and b) he died prematurely, and he (Bernt) set up field cameras, started a cat and mouse game with the McCanns by sending anonymous emails to them, and ultimately captured them on film at several sites that Bernt decided were for 'memorial' purposes before locating a site that now requires further investigation with digging and cadaver dogs.

RIP Ben singlerose

by Cake Lover 26.05.24 12:26

If I have got this right, Madeleine is buried on a hill. Why choose an elevated position to dig a grave, bring a body to, and inter. Low ground would ne preferable, surely?

by Silentscope 26.05.24 12:37

High up - nearer to Heaven?
Easier to see if anyone is following or observing you?
Any more?

by Ladyinred 26.05.24 12:39

Jill Havern wrote:As Bernt Stellander's new book 'The Sudden Impulse' is being discussed on this forum, and it is clearly an extension of Ben Salmon's work 'The House on the Black Rock' - although the House isn't part of his final investigation, nor was it the initial 'sudden impulse' hiding spot using the fridge freezer...I would say this blog article from 2016 is what spurred Bernt to investigate in the first instance...

https://h42a.wordpress.com/2016/12/28/black/

...it is interesting to note that Verdi was also steering us away from this 2016 topic or, at least, wasn't overly thrilled about it being discussed...

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13362-the-house-on-the-black-rock?highlight=Rocha+negro

So, just posting this for reference...nothing else.

I mention Ben's 2016 research only because Bernt has gone several steps further, over many years, than Ben obviously could because a) he lived in the UK and b) he died prematurely, and he (Bernt) set up field cameras, started a cat and mouse game with the McCanns by sending anonymous emails to them, and ultimately captured them on film at several sites that Bernt decided were for 'memorial' purposes before locating a site that now requires further investigation with digging and cadaver dogs.

RIP Ben

I was reading the Black Rock thread earlier today and noticed that too regarding Verdi.

by Cake Lover 26.05.24 12:46

It's not a location I would choose, but maybe the F.D.'s websites will throw some light on why it was selected, if indeed it was.

by Cake Lover 26.05.24 12:47

Ben did a lot of research, his death was very sad. RIP.

by **Jill Havern** 26.05.24 16:21

Verdi wrote:I see Kruger on a level with Birch and his wizard body detecting machine - a bit of a joke! So the Kruger package came complete with a recommendation from the South African police and minister for justice? Well, any country that continues into the 21st century being heavily influenced by voodooism, then I guess Kruger's body diviner is a very useful tool in SA policing.

Just noticed this comment on the thread I posted earlier - Verdi belittling Kruger, as usual.

I remember watching the documentary 'Fred and Rose West: Reopened' a few years ago with Colin Sutton heading the investigation...and he used one of these ground-penetrating machines and found 2 more bodies underneath the patio (actually, it might have been under the garage floor)...but, anyway, he used one of these machines.

A seven-month investigation led by former Scotland Yard Detective Chief Inspector Colin Sutton discovered two new potential graves using ground penetrating radar machines and cadaver dogs.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/fred-west-police-bodies-20-victims-buried-gloucester-b954923.html#:~:text=A%20seven-month%20investigation%20led%20by%20former%20Scotland%20Yard,where%20Fred%20claimed%20to%20have%20buried%2012%20bodies.

by Ladyinred 26.05.24 16:34

Jill Havern wrote:
Verdi wrote:I see Kruger on a level with Birch and his wizard body detecting machine - a bit of a joke! So the Kruger package came complete with a recommendation from the South African police and minister for justice? Well, any country that continues into the 21st century being heavily influenced by voodooism, then I guess Kruger's body diviner is a very useful tool in SA policing.

Just noticed this comment on the thread I posted earlier - Verdi belittling Kruger, as usual.

I remember watching the documentary 'Fred and Rose West: Reopened' a few years ago with Colin Sutton heading the investigation...and he used one of these ground-penetrating machines and found 2 more bodies underneath the patio (actually, it might have been under the garage floor)...but, anyway, he used one of these machines.

A seven-month investigation led by former Scotland Yard Detective Chief Inspector Colin Sutton discovered two new potential graves using ground penetrating radar machines and cadaver dogs.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/fred-west-police-bodies-20-victims-buried-gloucester-b954923.html#:~:text=A%20seven-month%20investigation%20led%20by%20former%20Scotland%20Yard,where%20Fred%20claimed%20to%20have%20buried%2012%20bodies.

It's interesting reading some of the old threads. I've been reading a few more this afternoon - the rock, hills and running. One poster wrote, ten years ago, that Kate was emotionally attached to the rocks.

Off topic, sorry.

by **Jill Havern** 26.05.24 16:42

Bernt's belief is that Gerry's 'sudden impulse' was to bury Maddie at sea - but Kate, being Catholic, said Nope, she must have a grave and memorial.

It's easy to see who's going to be blamed if/when this all kicks off. Gerry has more to lose now than Kate apparently does.

eta: I'll sort the thread out later, perhaps.

by AnneCGuedes 26.05.24 17:02

Evidence shows that burying in the ocean was the intention, the water level is low (see M. Harrison), the ocean would have brought it back, conveniently washed, and funerals could have occurred. But Smithman met 9 individuals..

by Ladyinred 26.05.24 17:19

Anne, do you believe Smithman was Gerry?

by Cake Lover 26.05.24 17:29

I don't know where the F.D. thinks the 'sudden impulse' took place, in the unfolding of events, but I think that it was early on - to cover up Madeleine's death.

by Silentscope 26.05.24 17:34

Dr Amaral believed 'Smithman' was maybe looking for a FREEZER.

From 'The Interpretation of Murder' by Jed Rubenfeld.

"In this heat, he explained, decomposition would rapidly set in if the corpse was not refrigerated at once." (p.28).

Source: https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t16425-gerry-mccann-s-bedside-reading-the-interpretation-of-murder

If the McCanns are as devout as they claim, and a Priest had been requested, then the 'Last Rites' would have to be performed before any form of disposal could take place, or?

by Ladyinred 26.05.24 17:43

Where have the parents ever claimed they are devout Catholics?

As far as I am aware, they have never said this. They are not devout Catholics, IMO. A Catholic priest would not carry out Last Rites in the scenario you describe - before disposal of the body.

by **Jill Havern** 26.05.24 17:48

Amaral: "The Priests know very well what happened"

by **Jill Havern** 26.05.24 17:51

Didn't he later have a meltdown because he was betrayed or something?

by crusader 26.05.24 17:52

Kate's mum denied they were devout Catholics, but that is irrelevant as far as the last rights were concerned, the priest would have given the last rights to Madeleine if he was asked.
Madeleine was Christened Catholic and was entitled to receive the last rights.
Actualluy LadyinRed, you are right. A priest can't administer the last rights on a dead body that had been dead for over an hour.
He could however pray for her soul.

by Cake Lover 26.05.24 17:53

I think it was the original, local priest who made that claim.

by Ladyinred 26.05.24 17:53

#203 The priests (including the Catholic one) may well know what happened.

If Madeleine died in the apartment earlier in the week it would be too late for the Last Rites.

by Silentscope 26.05.24 17:56

Maybe it is only the opinion of the Press that they are devout anything.

They have certainly printed it often enough...

More likely they are hiding behind the Skirts of Priests I find.

by **PeterMac** 26.05.24 19:13

Bernt Stellander on Sonia P’s show TOMORROW Morningm Monday 27 9am
preliminary interview to set the scene and full [odcast length one planned in a week or so
can someone RECORD it in a form which can be posted

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by **Jill Havern** 26.05.24 19:56

Ep. 1: Wake Up With Sonia Poulton

Scheduled for May 27, 2024 at 09.00AM

Journalist and broadcaster Sonia Poulton starts the day with guests, chatters & their take on news

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