Re: New Madeleine McCann book will claim missing tot is already dead

by **crusader** 19.05.24 11:14

But the real question is why, I could understand him saying what he did if he was talking about a real abduction but the McCann's have never been cleared by the Portuguese, there just isn't enough evidence to charge them.
They have interfered with all aspects of the Portuguese investigation but have never once been suspicious of the McCann's involvement.

by **Silentscope** 19.05.24 11:35

Operation Grange is working on the basis that Dr Amaral has the opinion that it was a tragic Accident while the Parents were not there.

As Gerry said 'If Madeleine had fallen and died in the Apartment, how can that be our fault.'

Even if they were in the living room at the time they could have not reacted in time to catch or save her?

But there are other indications that something else happened which were never fully investigated.

The biggest worry I have is something that Mark T Hoffman said.
'Madeleine had to die because she was old enough to talk, she could explain to someone what had happened to her.'

What really happened and when is the Question.

by **Jill Havern** 19.05.24 11:45

Silentscope wrote:The biggest worry I have is something that Mark T Hoffman said.
'Madeleine had to die because she was old enough to talk, she could explain to someone what had happened to her.'

Blimey, I haven't seen that quote before.

I've always thought that - she was due to start school that year.

Have you got a link please?

by **crusader** 19.05.24 11:49

Yes but she was already at nursery, that is a lot more hands on than primary school.

by **Jill Havern** 19.05.24 12:43

Child abuse is complicated. The younger you are the more you think of it as 'normal'...especially if you know the person.

by **crusader** 19.05.24 13:05

That's true, I'm not convinced that was what it was though.
Madeleine could have been killed at home at any time, Staging an abduction whilst on holiday abroad seems far fetched to me.

by **Jill Havern** 19.05.24 13:17

But that's what they did.

by **crusader** 19.05.24 13:32

Anybody there? Well that was queer, the forum went all foreign.
Anyway, good point, I'm still thinking Madeleine had an accident, but why they hid her body is a mystery, unless it was for those reasons.

by Cake Lover 19.05.24 13:49

I think the original theory, that she had been sedated, is probably the most likely. A drowsy, drugged Madeline wandered about the apartment and fell. It would emerge that Madeleine and the twins were regularly dosed up to make them sleep. Perhaps this is the reason Kate McCann made up the story of Madeleine asking why nobody went to them when she and Sean were crying, to demonstrate that if they had been drugged, how could they have woken. Nobody with an ounce of decency would then go out at night again. Even if Madeleine had said 'Where you?' Kate McCann shouldn't have revealed it. She made her and the professor look worse.

by **Jill Havern** 19.05.24 15:24

crusader wrote:Anybody there? Well that was queer, the forum went all foreign.
Anyway, good point, I'm still thinking Madeleine had an accident, but why they hid her body is a mystery, unless it was for those reasons.

In my humble opinion, if Maddie had an accident - or even if she'd really been abducted - then there's no way on earth the parents would act like this after just a few days

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by **crusader** 19.05.24 15:33

I know what you mean, if it was an abduction there is no way they would or could act that way.
That's why I'm convinced they knew exactly what had happened to her and they knew no paedophile had her.

by **sandancer** 19.05.24 18:25

Those smiles and the ones on leaving the church on Madeleines birthday are genuine smiles they reach the eyes which a faked put on smile never does ! Though how they could even think of putting on a fake smile for the cameras after the alleged " abduction " of their daughter defeats me !

One thing that still puzzles me to this day is during the 48 questions , number 41 - Asked whether or not it is true that in England she was thinking to deliver Madeleine into the custody ( guardianship ) of a family member , she did not respond .
Where were the PJ going with this particular question , what prompted them to ask it ?

Another one is from Kate herself - " I know what happened wasn't due to the fact of leaving them sleeping , I know it happened under other circumstances "

What was " it " that happened , and what were the " other circumstances " ?

As the much missed Hobs said " words once spoken cannot be unspoken "

by Cake Lover 19.05.24 19:16

If they knew that Madeleine was not with a paedophile, why did K. McCann make that revolting remark about her in the bewk?

by **Silentscope** 19.05.24 19:29

Jill Havern Post#123 wrote:
Silentscope wrote:The biggest worry I have is something that Mark T Hoffman said.
'Madeleine had to die because she was old enough to talk, she could explain to someone what had happened to her.'
Blimey, I haven't seen that quote before.

I've always thought that - she was due to start school that year.

Have you got a link?

SUSPECT’S CHILLING HISTORY

Between 1995 and 2017, Brueckner drifted between Germany and the Portuguese coastal town of Praia da Luz.
The small-time drug dealer lived chillingly close to where he committed the grim rape of an elderly woman in 2005 — and recorded it.
“This is not just rape. This is one of the most brutal ways of rape, which are possible,” Mr Hoffman said.
According to police files, he beat her with a metal rod and it was only last year that DNA evidence led to Brueckner’s conviction.
Mr Hoffman, who has also studied Brueckner’s sordid criminal past, said Maddie was potentially just as much of a target for Brueckner as his elderly victim.
“It’s really important to understand that many child molesters are not paedophiles. So for them, it’s not about the young age itself, it’s about weakness, it’s about vulnerability, and it’s about feeling some sense of power. So they like to attack ‘easy victims’,” he said.
In the disturbing audio, which aired on 60 Minutes, Brueckner claims to have said if the “evidence is destroyed”, he will “document exactly how they will be tortured”.
“He’s very, very clear about his fantasy, about abducting children and torturing them and using them for a couple of days. So these are very clear words,” Mr Hofman
Mr Hoffman said he believes that if Brueckner abducted Maddie, it’s also likely he killed her.
“And killing is likely for different reasons. Number one, it’s likely because it’s part of the fantasy, but number two, it also just could have practical reasons not to be arrested for this crime, because she was old enough to talk,” he told Hayes.

Full Video Link: https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c?feature=shared

Hofman seems to have missed the Dogs Alerts in Apartment 5A as well as the lack of evidence of a Break in.
Only minor details!

by Paddingtom 20.05.24 7:11

A couple of bits that may be of interest …. I cant remember where I saw it but someone was speculating that if Maddie had died during the evening, when the parents came back and found the room quiet, they may have crept off to bed quickly, not wanting to awaken the children. Then next morning finding her. How do you explain a childs corpse that is maybe 10 hours old by the time you find it?

For those who believe Maddie died on Sunday, there may be an explanation for a child being heard crying on Tuesday. In Goncalo's book he says :

It is known that the sudden withdrawal of sedatives can cause sleep problems. If Kates journal is to be believed,the twins suffered from problems of that nature during the days following their sisters disappearance.

If Maddie died Sunday, you can understand the parents being frightened of sedating the twins Monday night,,,,,, Still with sedatives in their system, they slept ok but by Tuesday night their sleeping was disturbed. Maybe it was Amelie that the neighbour heard crying on Tuesday night and Amelie that asked her parents on Wednesday morning why they didnt come when she and her brother were crying? Just a thought,

by Cake Lover 20.05.24 7:48

^ #132 - why wasn't Kate McCann arrested after saying 'I know what happened wasn't due to the fact of leaving them sleeping'? That's a direct admission of knowledge. (Along with everything else they said and did).

by **crusader** 20.05.24 8:47

We only have Kate's word that Madeleine said what she did about the crying.
It's just another lie in my opinion, to prove that Madeleine was still alive on the 3rd May.

by Cake Lover 20.05.24 8:54

Yes, that's what I think; she said it to prove that the children weren't sedated, or they wouldn't have woken, also to prove that Madeleine was alive on the 3rd. It only proved that she's a liar, and as for her mothering...

by **Jill Havern** 20.05.24 9:54

If you go up on the hill today, you're sure of a big surprise
If you go up on the hill today, you'd better go in disguise
For every cam that ever there was
Will gather there for certain because
Today's the day McCanns will have their pics nicked

Every Foreign 'tec who's been good is sure of a treat today
There's lots of marvelous things to see and wonderful games to play
Beneath the trees where nobody sees
They'll hide and seek as long as they please
Cos that's the way the McCanns will have their pics nicked

Pics nicked time for Foreign 'tec
The McCanns are having a lovely time today
Watch them, catch them unawares
And see their pics nicked on their holiday

If you go up on the hill today, you'd better not go alone
It's lovely up on the hill today, but safer to stay at home
For every cam that ever there was
Will gather there for certain because
Today's the day McCanns will have their pics nicked

hat

Incoming from PeterMac today...

by silly 20.05.24 10:31

crusader wrote:That's true, I'm not convinced that was what it was though.
Madeleine could have been killed at home at any time, Staging an abduction whilst on holiday abroad seems far fetched to me.

If she died at home the body would have been examined and any abuse detected that is why the body had to disappear and abduction was the only option.

by **Ladyinred** 20.05.24 10:40

Reading today's posts has got me thinking about little Madeleine and her last hours. I really hope she didn't suffer, but she probably did endure some trauma. Bless her.

by **crusader** 20.05.24 10:46

I'm still not convinced sexual abuse was the reason, but That is just my opinion, I'm not trying to convince anyone else.

by **crusader** 20.05.24 11:49

I do think Madeline was sexualised by her parents as we have seen by the inappropriate photo's released by them.

by **sandancer** 20.05.24 18:58

Cake Lover wrote:Yes, that's what I think; she said it to prove that the children weren't sedated, or they wouldn't have woken, also to prove that Madeleine was alive on the 3rd. It only proved that she's a liar, and as for her mothering...

Allegedly Maddie asked her mother " where were you when Sean and I were crying " referring to Wednesday night ! According to Fiona Payne in her rogatory statement Kate told her about the " crying " while at dinner in the Tapas bar on Thursday night , asking if Fiona thought it was alright to leave them again ! Not mentioned before ! Rachael was in their apartment next door and heard nothing . If the " checks " were done on Wednesday as they were on Thursday then someone would have heard two children crying as they went past , not one but two children crying would have been heard by someone surely ? But according to Kate when asking Maddie about it " she moved on " !!! Remember the curled lip and shrug on that comment ! Backfilling to prove Maddie was alive and well on the morning of 3rd May . Kate isn't a stupid woman , she's clever and manipulative and knows how to play her role of " loving mother " . Neither is she under Gerrys control as many think , she has a temper and gets her own way by hook or crook ! Imho of course

by Cake Lover 20.05.24 19:59

I don't believe Madeleine said any such thing; but then I don't believe anything The McCann gang said. There may be a grain of truth in some statements, but they have been embellished, had segments removed, and some of the main players have been moved around. I think there was one remark we can depend upon - 'We have a pact'. I agree about Kate McCann; she's Liverpudlian, and tough.

by **crusader** 20.05.24 20:24

If, as the foreign detective believes, Madeleine died on the 2nd May, Mrs Fenn was right about hearing crying on the night of 1st .
Madelene could have said what she did on the 2nd May and Kate conveniently changed it to the 3rd.
That's if the whole thing is not made up, I still believe Mrs Fenn heard Madeleine crying though on the 1st.

by **Silentscope** 20.05.24 21:41

How does the following Theory sound based on the Sedative Theory?

Madeleine was Dead. Reasons unknown. A cover Story was arranged.

The Twins could not wake up that night because they too were old enough to talk. Someone did not want innocent children to say anything to the Police which might destroy their plans?

Comments welcome.

by **crusader** 20.05.24 21:55

Well, we know the twins could talk because Amalie was reported as saying when they were putting Madeleine's pyjamas on her, " Maddie's Jammies, where is Maddie".
As to whether they knew what had happened or could tell anyone is another matter.
I'm not sure they would understand what was happening around them, would they take any notice?

by **Ladyinred** 20.05.24 21:58

The twins could talk, yes, but they were just two years old so would not be questioned by the police, that's not appropriate or ethical.

by Cake Lover 20.05.24 22:12

I don't think there was anything for them to say; they went to bed, Madeleine went to bed, and in the morning she was gone. At two years old, they may not have thought that to be unusual; we will never know what they were told. Then their parents went globe trotting. That is just jaw droppingly insensitive, imo.

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