Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be

by Guest 20.05.22 13:48

Christian Brueckner has been introduced into the case of missing Madeleine McCann for a reason - and it sure ain't anyway connected with justice, at least not justice for little Madeleine McCann.

The prolongation of media and press attention to the name and his alleged history in the world of crime is evidence in itself. Incidentally alleged crimes that have no connection whatsoever with the case of Madeleine McCann.

There are key players promoting the name Brueckner and an apparent string of cohorts aiding propagation - making damn sure the allegations against Brueckner are kept alive. Scratching around for any old piece of information to either strengthen the false accusations made against him or just to keep the story circulating. Circulated by the UK tabloid press, featuring the same old gang of 'journalists' and international equivalents.

Curiously, all open supporters of the McCann faction!

This covert operation benefits only two people .... Gerry and Kate McCann. Notice how quiet they are, no studio appearances or photo-shoots to negate press reports. They happily go along with the story because it's to their advantage to have a named 'prime suspect' in the headlines.

In my view Christian Brueckner will never appear before a court of law for any crime connected to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. You can't rely on snatches of statements made on camera by officialdom and used to promote 'documentaries' and or 'investigative journalism', they are heavily edited and much like that seen time and time again across the broad spectrum of media - taken out of context!

Take by way of example Sandra Felgueiras, her productions appear to include face-on interviews, although there is no evidence to confirm. For the purpose of these interviews she speaks in the English language - pigeon English, she is ostensibly interviewing a German man. Said German, for the most part, answers using the German language but occasionally casually slips into English. So just one interview switches between Portuguese, German and English - why would that be if not an act of deception?

So what's left by way of evidence against Christian Brueckner? A telephone ping from a mast close to the Ocean Club that covers a range of x kilometres and the chief German prosecutor 'thinks' connected to Brueckner and the words of their chief witness, the felon Manfred Seyferth and his network of criminals !?!

That aside, all this stuff being propagated comes to us by way of the press and media. There is no documented evidence available to support the allegations, if Christian Brueckner exists in the form of a master criminal, if he exists at all, he is in prison, he is being exploited over and above reason - a crime in itself. This debacle has been going on now for two years, it hasn't advanced by way of new evidence, it's been going around in circles - around an alleged phone ping, shady witnesses and video footage of sexual deviance that has never been seen by anyone other than two of those shady witnesses.

If the case ever reaches a court of law my ghast will be flabbered.

by Guest 20.05.22 17:06

onehand wrote:i already have the german text but it would be nice to have a good english translation, you can not just put a piece of law into a translation app.

You might find this easier to follow for reference purposes..

https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stpo/englisch_stpo.html#p2261

by bevcoffee 20.05.22 18:15

Thank you Verdi, for the usual voice of reason. I guess that when everything quietens down and CB is left to get in with his life and Operation Grange is publicly shamed for producing zero results, we'll be back with the original suspect. By which time, so much water would have been squirted under the bridge, the original suspects may never be brought to justice. Justice for little Maddie who deserved so much more from our British Law Enforcement agencies.

by Guest 21.05.22 2:04

bevcoffee wrote:Thank you Verdi, for the usual voice of reason. I guess that when everything quietens down and CB is left to get in with his life and Operation Grange is publicly shamed for producing zero results, we'll be back with the original suspect. By which time, so much water would have been squirted under the bridge, the original suspects may never be brought to justice. Justice for little Maddie who deserved so much more from our British Law Enforcement agencies.

And deserved even more from her parents and family.

No, the true prime suspects will never be brought to justice. That ship sailed on the night of 3rd May 2007 - the rest as they say is history.

The press and media focus has always been to publicly disgrace the Portuguese police, in particular Gonçalo Amaral. To this day, fifteen years down the line, the campaign continues.

It's all there in black and white, if you just read between the lines.

Madeleine who?

by **crusader** 21.05.22 8:30

I think the only way to sever the connection between CB and Madeleine is to get him into a court room.
He has been publicly accused of kidnap and murder and his defence lawyer must be given the chance to clear his name.
The only way this is not going to court is if the prosecutor admits he hasn't got enough evidence against CB or God forbid CB has an "accident."

by Guest 21.05.22 9:23

thanks silent scope for the translation. to verdi, i preferred the full text, not only a simple article itself, but it is always built on other parts of law, and it is still common practice to take notice of all in that book of law. the definition on what is what , and who is who are usually in the first chapters of these law books.

i already had a german version, but it was nice to get easy access to official english translations. and i do know the restrictions there are with using them.

i do not know if i have a passion for the law, a fascination certainly, and what i 'm actively looking for, is what could be the possibilities any other, including the mccanns are still at risk , to be prosecuted in any court of law in portugal.
and for that i have to travel a lot between many books of law(only the portuguese and german law books are the ones i not have working experience from), but because both these countries are members of the eu, and also bound to the echr and some other less known law entities and conventions, that part is just the same for everyone in the eu, all will also play a part in this case, cb is indeed just an intermezzo, but i do not like it to underestimate germany.

reasons to have doubt cb ever will have his day in court as an official suspect in germany is the way the prosecution officer is playing the media. there is nothing usual in that way, so , or he did find a vague bit of wording of law to be able to use do that, without the risk of compromising any following court case against cb.

and you can just look a lot up about that, there is expert publication in that matter at hand, my own question about that behavior is, if it is enough to compromise any fair trial, not that i will even mind about cb, but if you do not respect the law, it becomes an easy way out, based on just a preliminary court case about form of the prosecution officers behavior, to get an ugly case out of your way.

it is quite easy to make it impossible to get a real trial in all phases before that can take place. and hcw could by his own behavior be the maker of an excuse option, the court said no, based on technicalities, to escape their own bungling investigation. or even a pseudo investigation if cb is that patsy.

the last time we could see a bit into that investigation was in the german xy aktezeichen episode, all after that was not officially connected to the case madeleine mccann.

it is still important, this dance around cb, because it overshadows the real question, what are the legal possibilities to bring the real culprits to court. and it is not germany that plays the ball in that, but portugal.
germany can only do anything with germans. portuigal has none of such restrictions, only a bad opposition to plea against.

it does not matter what happens to cb, but what happens with the ability to proceed against others in portugal. and if you have any experience with how such things could be handled, and i do have, cb could solve a lot in that possibility, not in his own right, but there is also a prosecution office in portugal, that has to conquer by willing and wanting to keep this case open. and it needs to be staying open to prosecute who you want.

making cb an arguido does indeed break the sol, but only if they want nothing more than a possibility to prosecute, or assisting a prosecution against cb.

but that person, that has the function of prosecution officer on the case of madeleine mccann can choose another route, and cb will then being only welcome working material, this officer has to make a plea to his superiors, usually a general prosecution officer, or a bit more direct the portuguese minister of justice. it is the last who has usually the power to use a veto on matters, and that are usually not legal experts, so a nice story of a very nasty german, and a looking serious germany very into solving that horrible case, and the russians and another german assisting pair of hands will only be nice to use in suggesting this case can not be ended because of the usual sol.

it would be quite natural for portugal to just leave the sol take its toll, to get rid of a nasty case, the best forgotten excuse is much to plead for, the victim is not portuguese, there is no portuguese nasty suspect in sight, only germans and russians, and before that some brits. even the investments that had most been damaged were mostly british.

this plaged case even though it has for now been transferred to germany is still not silenced, sandra keeps telling the portuguese, other news from around the world give this case no room to give time a chance to be made it forgotten.

and if you can plea and sell your boss the story that by expiring of the sol, this case will be out of your influence, but not out of attention, there can be a fair chance to get that signature on that piece of paper to get rid of that sol. and it also does help that portugal has rules and regulations by their very own national law, that is not overwritten by other law, to do that and keep their mouth shut about it.

also it will keep a nice lid on the next set of pj files.

i do not like sol's, i can understand why they are in existence, and i understand and know how hard it is to keep playing by the rules of law, and it is never a choice, but just a simple and plain obligation to follow them as they are, to work old and very old cases. i know from my very own experience what can happen with that old evidence, the paper trails you still have need of. the people you need and even suspects can be dead.

and it makes it even harder because the victim in this case, would have today an age she had a major chance to still being around and living a life, if she was not a victim of third parties actions. i like it very much that the law in all countries that can play a role, have that principle of law that state, or society takes the place of the victim as the accuser. but i like it more in the traditional way and it is a shame the media no longer accepts that they have a traditional role in keeping the people in the know. as in telling the truth. give us the experts we need to clarify all said and done. but they do not any longer.

for the supporters of the latest amendments in most countries about using the age of a victim to surpass the closing of a case of sexual abuse to 23 years of age of the victim, this is a piece of law that indeed could be read in two ways, as in the plain text and meaning, and also with the spirit of the law, because all history behind this piece of law stands the victim , if alive. i have not found jurisprudence that widened this law to a victim that is already no longer alive.

before these countries had, or their own sol and such cases would be expired on that, or the age when a victim became an adult, that age is already harmonized in the eu member states to 18 years in most parts of the law, but there are still exceptions by law. but it was realized victims need years to get in a state to talk about what is done to them, most eu members have set that to 23 years of age. it is a minimum bid, so there are and could be other solutions chosen in each member states national law.

so i do hope that the signature on a piece of legal paper is out there, somewhere in portugal. no sol would at least give a chance to do justice. and if it is not possible to do that by law, i do hope that the true culprits will have to live in fear, it one day the law can still come knocking at their doors because we have new and better ways to get at them.

that signature makes any verdict against cb no longer important. it gives just portugal back their very own handling of their law, on their own territory, in their very own way, against who they choose to do that.
i think they could do that, and i do hope they think the same in that.

by Guest 21.05.22 13:13

onehand wrote:to verdi, i preferred the full text, not only a simple article itself, but it is always built on other parts of law, and it is still common practice to take notice of all in that book of law. the definition on what is what , and who is who are usually in the first chapters of these law books.

It's all there, only more neatly formatted for easier subject reference. You only need open the table of contents under each section, you can run through the list looking for your subject of interest.

Direct reference is preferable to being distracted by irrelevancies when searching for specific subject matter. Still, your choice of course.

Then of course there is legalese to consider, not a language that can be easily interpreted/understood by the layman. I'm English and confess I don't understand even a fraction of legal text but I can easily see how subject matter is misinterpreted when particular text is lifted from a comprehensive document and presented elsewhere as stand alone citation.

I recall something being presented here on CMOMM yonks ago. Turned out, rather than the subject matter under discussion, the particular text related to something entirely different. Problem here, as witnessed over the past fifteen years following Madeleine McCann's disappearance, people believe what they read or hear without bothering to check out the detail cited and/or presented for discussion., It doesn't take long before matters are catapulted into the land of make-believe, along with Kate McCann's autobiographical novel entitled .... 'madeleine'! Yes, even there some people are even compelled to believe what they read.

The case has attracted so many anonymities who feign expertise in just about every subject in existence - and even subjects that don't exist. Classic case of what you don't know - invent!

by Andema83 21.05.22 13:20

Snipped from Verdis post:
"Take by way of example Sandra Felgueiras, her productions appear to include face-on interviews, although there is no evidence to confirm. For the purpose of these interviews she speaks in the English language - pigeon English, she is ostensibly interviewing a German man. Said German, for the most part, answers using the German language but occasionally casually slips into English. So just one interview switches between Portuguese, German and English - why would that be if not an act of deception?"

As a German, this has always been a painful thing to witness: Why on earth does HC Wolters use the English language at all when he clearly doesn't speak English well?
Was there really no skilled interpreter speaking Portuguese and German to be entrusted with the difficult task of interpreting? I, for one, would feel much more comfortable using my own language, especially in a situation like this where HC Wolters is supposed to answer sensitive questions about a live investigation - I mean, given the whole story about CB was legitimate at all. This may point to deception, but I'm more inclined to think that Herr Wolters simply overestimates his proficiency in that language, which is something of a epidemic here in Germany. The same goes for Sandra F. imo, she appears to think very highly of herself (hence the constant self-praise), I'm sure she thinks her English is just fine when it actually isn't. To me, it amounts to overinflated egos more than a calculated act of deception.

PS: I know that my English isn't flawless as well, and I do feel limited when I try to express myself in English.

by Guest 21.05.22 13:42

Amen

!

Sandra Felgueiras' platform is Portuguese, why is she presenting shows partly in pigeon English if not to influence a specific market.

I've said a million times in the past, there is no easy, direct, translation/interpretation between two languages. That's why professional translators/interpreters are assigned for any work of importance.

I've used google translate on a number of occasions as an exercise, sometimes the results are hilarious, google totally discombobulates words, grammar and more importantly - meaning.

Years ago I ventured out looking for horseradish. At the time being ignorant of the correct word I asked for 'radish of the horse' - a direct translation created by me. Naturally the bloke in the market looked at me as though I was stark raving bonkers - he directed me to the nearby abattoir!

big grin

by Andema83 21.05.22 16:17

@Verdi, I agree, she probably also seeks to influence the English-speaking public and gain fame across borders (I'm speaking of Sandra Felgueiras, of course), and yes, google translate may be useful to get the gist of a text written in a foreign language but can obviously never be as accurate as the work of a well-trained translator - in fact, it is a subject at German universities, I once dreamt of becoming a translator or interpreter myself but after I had done an internship at a translators department of a law firm I realized what a painstaking task it is, which has nothing to do with the cosmopolitan and glamorous ideas I had developed about this field; actually, I didn't understand even a fraction of those texts that I had been given to read in German, let alone translate them into English *LOL*. In this regard, even Kate McCanns complaint about things having gotten lost in translation has some justification. And people like Herr Wolters who seemed to be compelled to demonstrate their poor English - well, as it showed, it creates unnecessary misunderstandings and is also excruciating to listen to

by **ShiningInLuz** 21.05.22 17:00

Andema83 wrote:Snipped from Verdis post:
"Take by way of example Sandra Felgueiras, her productions appear to include face-on interviews, although there is no evidence to confirm. For the purpose of these interviews she speaks in the English language - pigeon English, she is ostensibly interviewing a German man. Said German, for the most part, answers using the German language but occasionally casually slips into English. So just one interview switches between Portuguese, German and English - why would that be if not an act of deception?"

As a German, this has always been a painful thing to witness: Why on earth does HC Wolters use the English language at all when he clearly doesn't speak English well?
Was there really no skilled interpreter speaking Portuguese and German to be entrusted with the difficult task of interpreting? I, for one, would feel much more comfortable using my own language, especially in a situation like this where HC Wolters is supposed to answer sensitive questions about a live investigation - I mean, given the whole story about CB was legitimate at all. This may point to deception, but I'm more inclined to think that Herr Wolters simply overestimates his proficiency in that language, which is something of a epidemic here in Germany. The same goes for Sandra F. imo, she appears to think very highly of herself (hence the constant self-praise), I'm sure she thinks her English is just fine when it actually isn't. To me, it amounts to overinflated egos more than a calculated act of deception.

PS: I know that my English isn't flawless as well, and I do feel limited when I try to express myself in English.

There are 2 tests when speaking a foreign language.
a. you need to translate into your first language, then when you have got a reply, you need to translate back into your first language.
b. you can think in your second language, so translating back and forth is not required.

Sandra F can obviously think in English. In Portugal, that is common, because of an educational system which requires children to study English for at least 8 years. She does not speak English with a pigeon accent, she speaks English with a Portuguese accent.

All of the Germans I have met out in my time in the Algarve, speak perfectly decent, understandable English, with a German accent.

As to HCW, he sounds like he thinks in German, so he struggles in English. Amaral avoids it.

Here's a very small, relevant quiz question. The most successful car ever in history was the VW T1. By what better name is it known?

by Guest 21.05.22 17:14

ShiningInLuz wrote:Sandra F can obviously think in English. In Portugal, that is common, because of an educational system which requires children to study English for at least 8 years. She does not speak English with a pigeon accent, she speaks English with a Portuguese accent.

I think you've missed the point!

by Andema83 21.05.22 23:24

I think we shouldn't judge ppl for not speaking English well - although I think as a German I am entitled to address the issues that my compatriots have with the English language -, but the problem that @Verdi addressed was that there were misinterpretations that arose from an interview where both participants spoke to each other in a language they didn't know well, which was something that was totally avoidable imo.

by **Silentscope** 23.05.22 11:31

Interesting on the Subject of Translation that since the ‘Prime Patsy’ CB was unveiled to the World not one Edition of the PJ FILES has been translated into the German language.

Herr Fülscher made enough effort to go to Portugal, and knows enough English to understand them fully.

StA Wolters and the BKA make no comparable comments.

Helge B said that Brückner ‘knows all about what happened to Maddie’.

He probably does if he has read the PJ Files in English.

by Guest 23.05.22 14:00

No one knows what happened to Madeleine McCann, aside from those directly involved in her fate.

The Portuguese investigation was seriously derailed when the case coordinator, Gonçalo Amaral, was removed from the investigation - as can be seen quite clearly when reading the PJ files.

I don't personally know any of the characters currently under the spotlight, I haven't a clue about their linguistic skills, I can only judge by what I see and hear. However, as I've repeatedly said, unless bi/multi-lingual to a very high standard, an accurate translation/interpretation between one language and another is impossible.

Still, who cares - just as long as Brueckner is kept at the top of the pile - and it is, day after day after day waiting

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by Guest 23.05.22 14:13

Who better to keep the ball rolling but Nick Pisa..

Christian Brueckner helped woman 'who can provide him with Madeleine McCann alibi' avoid charges when she was arrested for possessing a weapon, police documents show

Convicted Brueckner, 45, is believed by prosecutors to have killed Madeleine
He says that he is innocent and can prove that he was with the woman at the time
Documents show Brueckner assisted getting the woman out of trouble with police just six days after Madeleine went missing

By Nick Pisa for MailOnline

Published: 10:34, 23 May 2022 | Updated: 11:14, 23 May 2022

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner helped get the woman he claims can give him an alibi escape a charge of possessing an illegal weapon, new police documents show.

Convicted paedophile Brueckner, 45, is believed by prosecutors in Germany to have killed Madeleine.

He says that he is innocent and can prove that he was with the woman at the time of the disappearance.

However, documents published today for the first time show Brueckner assisted getting the woman out of trouble with police just six days after Madeleine went missing.

When Brueckner dropped her off at Faro airport for a flight to Cologne, Germany, on May 9, the woman, who MailOnline is not naming, was arrested by police as she passed through security for a flight carrying pepper spray.

Brueckner returned to the airport and acted as translator explaining the pepper spray was legal in Germany.

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Documents published today for the first time show Brueckner assisted getting the woman out of trouble with police just six days after Madeleine went missing

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Brueckner’s signature can be seen on a page of the file (above) and it matches the handwriting of a letter he sent to MailOnline recently

He convinced them the girl had made an honest mistake and was not dangerous and the case was dismissed thanks to his persuasive skills with Portuguese police.

A source said: 'It's interesting to see how the woman who he says is his alibi was actually helped by him to escape a serious charge.'

It is known that convicted rapist and padeophile Brueckner was driving between Portugal and Spain setting up supply routes to ferry drugs back to his native Germany.

Brueckner’s signature can be seen on a page of the file and it matches the handwriting of a letter he sent to MailOnline recently.

Through Brueckner she described how in her native Germany she used to cycle frequently and carried the spray with her for protection.

The file reveals paperwork was sent to the woman's address in Germany informing her the case was being discontinued as prosecutors accepted her defence she had no idea it was illegal.

Brueckner was named as prime suspect in the abduction and murder of Madeleine by German police in June 2020 but since then no charges have been brought.

Details of Brueckner's alibi emerged in a Channel Five documentary on the case presented by TV sleuth Mark Williams-Thomas but he was unable to provide as much detail as MailOnline has obtained.

The woman and Brueckner were stopped by police at a checkpoint near Praia da Luz shortly a couple of days after Madeleine vanished.

She has been traced by Portuguese and German investigators and told them she was with Brueckner the days after Madeleine disappeared and he was ‘normal and calm’ and ‘didn’t act as if he had snatched and killed a child’.

Brueckner has insisted that at the time of the disappearance he was miles away with the woman in his campervan although she cannot recall where exactly she was the night Madeleine disappeared.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10844701/Christian-Brueckner-helped-woman-provide-Madeleine-McCann-alibi-avoid-charges.html

by **Silentscope** 23.05.22 15:30

It seems most likely that the Accused Person had bought the Spray in Germany, where defensive Weapons are allowed.

It was probably missed in her Baggage check on entering Portugal.

On the outgoing Flight it was then picked up.

It would have caused problems if it was found in her Hand baggage, as if the Aircraft had suddenly lost Cabin pressure, it might have Exploded in the Cabin, covering everyone nearby. In Portugal it is according to Wikipedia only allowed to be carried with a License.

Portugal	Waffe^[35] Weapon	erlaubt mit Lizenz Allowed with a License	-	erlaubt mit Lizenz Allowed with a License

by Guest 23.05.22 16:36

about using the pj files , or translations of them

that would not fit in the dragon festival where they meet, if they did, even if helge b. just takes it to another year, it was only held in orgiva until the last one in march 2009. the pj files became published after the case was closed off and that was already august 2008, and the translations in the full needed quite some time after that, the most early ones i know are from late summer 2009, but it was a work in progress.

so when helge b get his story out in connection with a dragon festival in orgiva in 2008 (or even 2009), is is not very likely that cb could have had knowledge from translated pj files. during that same event they met as drugs seller, cb, and drugs buyer hb and middleman ms who already know cb.

it is all told by people who are criminals themselves. they are telling it to us in their very own words. it is not the kind of circle of people who have very much with what is true or not. if you need so long before you made it known, left the chance on heavy money behind, is that not enough to have a lot of questions about these same people also. helge b and manfred s. dis already have that knowledge cb was a beast in 2006.

theft of property, a car, diesel, video, selling and buying drugs, human traffic, black mail. and all we do not know of.
keeping silent on 2 rape cases by their words, the murder of a child, and they kept both their mouth shut for 10 years! and now they get freebies, and are possibly even paid by the media. even the suggesting scotland yard payed helge b.

but no one needed the files, the official deployed story line was always around in the media, who needs the truth, if it is just a story that can be used, time and time again. cb his supposed role is not in the pj files, he is not there to see , to read of, he can be the famous mister x in the script of some uk doctors. he is a nasty guy, who cares about doing justice to the victim, madeleine mccann?

if you believe in this role of cb in this case, it means helge b and manfred s. made that possible, because they had no room for mercy with two other victims of cb between april and christmas 2006. or a young german girl that had a holiday on the beach, or that daughter of the girlfriend that ended up as child porn material, the children on a playing ground in portugal, and all others we maybe never know a name of, and he must have done.

helge b and company are the kind of figures, who can have other reasons, they have already proven they do not care about victims of cb his crimes, if it are his, but they have to be if you believe helge b. and manfred s. we have no means or control over their stories, they can not be checked. it are very old stories, cb could not have used the files for that supposed story, but helge b could have. he had 10 years to bring that story into the lime light. and only got it there, when he did not like it to be in a jail in greece. it was helge b. that needed a story. it was not that helge b. was sitting in that jail and found remorse for any victim of a cb. he has not even remorse for the ones he was there in the first place.

by Guest 23.05.22 16:45

In the interest of accuracy - and that's what we are all about here on CMOMM..

Fact or Fiction: Owning Pepper Spray Is ILLEGAL in Most of Europe?

This is a fact!

In 2016 police in Denmark sparked anger by warning a teenage girl that she faced prosecution for using pepper spray to fend off a sexual assault near an asylum seekers center. A local police spokesman said: ‘It is illegal to possess and use pepper spray, so she will likely to be charged for that.’ She also faced a £50 fine. The case has caused outrage on social media. Some people offered to pay the girl’s fine for her.

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The European Union does not regulate pepper spray, leaving member countries free to regulate it themselves. Pepper sprays containing noxious substances are prohibited in:

Belgium
Denmark
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Norway
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Ireland
Sweden
Turkey
United Kingdom

Where Is Pepper Spray Legal in Europe?

In Italy − where certain formulas can be purchased, carried and operated license-free by anyone above the age of 16.

In France –trade is license-free and ownership is legal for those over 18 but carry can be punished with a fine depending from the quantity and concentration.

In the Czech Republic, Spain, Austria, Poland, Russia – possession is legal by most civilians.

In Switzerland, Germany, and Portugal, pepper spray is permitted with a license. However, the process to obtain a license in some countries can be extremely rigorous.

However, even in countries where pepper spray may be legal with a license, the use of it against any person generally constitutes assault in the EU.

Pepper Spray Is Totally Banned in the UK

Pepper spray is almost completely banned in the UK. Its ownership, carry and use by common citizens is banned under Section 5(1)(b) of the Firearms Act 1968.

Believe it or not, in the UK pepper spray / CS Gas is considered a firearm and carries the same legal penalties as carrying a gun does! If you are caught with pepper spray or import it, you will face arrest and a subsequent criminal record. You may even face deportation from the UK.

However, there are so-called “self-defense” spays that are legal in the UK. Often called “criminal identifier” sprays, they do not contain any noxious substances or chemicals and are not designed to injure or cause harm to others. Rather, the sprays are designed to mark an attacker with both a visible and invisible marker dye. The visible dye often takes at least 7 days to come off.

Do you think pepper spray should be legal for civilians for self-defense purposes? Or do you think some countries are right to strictly regulate their possession so that fewer people, even criminals, are harmed? Let us know in the comments below.

https://www.robertreeveslaw.com/blog/pepper-spray-europe/

by Guest 23.05.22 16:46

not the first time, maybe in the uk nick pisa, but sandra f. had that exact same piece without any blocked out pieces already for all to see. and even mwt had some glimpses of it.

but nicely done, jou just give then a piece of paper with words on it and it becomes a scoop, and strange how words got mixed up from an original source.

cb says very little, but the is an avid writer, so it must not be so difficult to ask mwt for a copy to use of the correct citation.

lucky us, it is not fisch!

by Guest 23.05.22 16:49

In Switzerland, Germany, and Portugal, pepper spray is permitted with a license. However, the process to obtain a license in some countries can be extremely rigorous.

So, if the mystery woman was carrying a pepper spray when leaving Germany and entering Portugal and later leaving Portugal on route for Germany, she either had said licence or Christian Brueckner wouldn't have been able to get her off the hook.

Not that I believe a word of it anyway ....

by bevcoffee 23.05.22 16:54

I'm happy with the status quo. As described abobe by Verdi.

by Guest 23.05.22 17:17

It's interesting to note, in the early days following Madeleine McCann's disappearance the McCann's wealthy benefactor Michael Wright (not the relative) engaged the services of a string of dodgy characters working under the guise of private investigators. Each company was contracted individually and paid substantial sums of money on the pretext of 'searching for Madeleine'.

This led to a number of sightings across the world reporting seemingly false witnesses, this strongly indicates payment to those witnesses for services rendered.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t16909-the-mccanns-private-detectives#422506

One of those private detective companies was Metodo3 based in Spain, since publicly exposed for malpractice. One of this firms employees was actively involved in the case of Madeleine McCann, his name is Julian Peribañez.

Julian Peribañez presented/narrated (for the want of a better word) quite a lot of the Netflix Madeleine McCann documentary. The production cast list has been posted here on CMOMM a few times in the past but here are the more topical people who continue to conspire against the truth and justice..

Anthony Summers
Robbyn Swan
Jim Gamble
Jon Clarke
Sandra Felgueiras
Brian Kennedy (wealthy benefactor)
Patrick Kennedy (son of)

The first five are now actively involved with propagating the Christian Brueckner narrative.

Kennedy? I don't know if he's still financing the 'campaign', I have my doubts but he set the ball rolling.

These are all influential and powerful in their own right and this is exactly what the case has been about since the beginning

Paying witnesses is the oldest one in the book.

by **Silentscope** 23.05.22 17:22

@ Onehand.
Release date of the PJ FILES was 4 August 2008.
Helge B Statement was Orgiva Dragon Festival 21-23 March 2008
Good point.
But if Helge is making up Stories in 2017, and had no knowledge of the PJ Files, he would not know that, would he? Sitting in his Greek cell…

Pepper spray is Legal to sell and hold without a License in Germany.
It should however only be used against Animal attacks.
CS sprays carrying the BKA seal of Approval are to be used against Humans. She would not have been able to buy it on Holiday as she would have had to provide a Portuguese license to do so.

https://www-ergo-de.translate.goog/de/rechtsportal/oft-nachgefragt/ist-pfefferspray-zur-verteidigung-erlaubt?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

by Guest 23.05.22 18:22

helge b. had from the starting point of his story, by his choice, time enough to google. it was all out there well before 2017, and let us do not play stupid, internet in jail is only an official stance, but hard to keep it out.

and as verdi was so nice to present the really honest witnesses never was a big problem to solve, on an as need base. but in case of figures as a helge b. and manfred s, and their likes, they have only one reason to do things, and that is to profit from it. that is how they are wired. they are just better trained in serving their very own version of truth.

but there is no story in the pj files about an abductor, not even a trace. so both parties, if their ever was a conversation about this case can never be the result from the pj files. they could have picked up small details about 5a, but even that could have been just gotten from the media. and exactly there in that media was always that bogeyman abductor, so why make it difficult in reading files. the abductor fantasy was everywhere in every country of europe, in all languages, and it stayed there all those years, so how many had helge b, to get out of his brain, to get a nice grimm episode with cb as the bogeyman sucked out his thumb.

it can not be that hard, jon c. could do it even, summers and his bird could do it, so you do not need to be a intelligent, or even an official author, or to have experience in writing for the sun, the moon or the stars.

and i must say, if i had the choice between sitting for years in a jail in greece and telling porkies, that would be enough inspiration to get a good one out. and a good one, with a nice very nasty abductor, okay that excellence in wall climbing was a bit over the top for ground floor 5a, but still it looks already be working from 2017 on.

he could even had found a certain work by the author mccann formerly always known as healy, or just an bunch of old magazines. or some former private detective as a cel mate, we have hardly heard a word from them for years.

how large do you guess is the chance, a criminal who has some roots to praia da luz, that nice little beach village, he remembered visiting with his good buddy manfred in 2006, to escape all the abductor news in this case? the case of the century. 2017 was the 10 years lost momentum, the case was everywhere.

that good buddy he never even whispered a word about that story and what story was told to scotland yard.

it can be just a free out of jail card to make up a story, and by manfreds words not even free but well payed even. helge b. had nothing to loose, he could only win. it is not he had even to prove his story, if he could deliver proof der hans had not has his little problem of course.

and even if cb had told a nice story to impress his new client, wel there was enough out and about to do exactly that, why not tell the new guy in town, he has to behave, that mister seller of the drugs is indeed a very very bad boy if he wants. and he must be quite a good story teller, going by his success with his ladies.

even gerry mccann was able to dish up a nice story in his first statement, a shame the missus lost the plot.

and helge's story has not left much of a paper trail. so who knows what he really told to scotland yard.

isn't that also the problem with this case, that there is so little room left for just the truth about what happened to a little girl called madeleine mccann?

by **Silentscope** 23.05.22 18:46

The PJ Files have been a good source for all the recent attempts by the Pro McC press lately.

But try as they might, they always get caught out by the truth.

Maddie was not with Brückner in his Campervan at Tunnels restaurant in Alcossebre.

There are no traces of Pyjama fibres in his Van.

Everything apparently related to Maddie in Helge B’s Statement has been blacked out.

No one knows what he really told the Operation Grange in Athens.

by Guest 23.05.22 19:01

the reason is easy, if there is no abductor, it is impossible to find evidence there was one.

but no one can say the pj files, or any translations from it, have assists in any abductor story, cb or any other.
no such role is ever written in the files, so it was also not possible to translate such a nice fitting story on the go. and the provisional timeline of the adventures of a helge b. make the use of the files in any form or model impossible.

i do know the abductor fairy tale was indeed earlier on the scene as the police, but that was because tellingthe world about the bogeyman was seen as more important , than calling the police. and they do not work from upside down fish bowls with a little candle in it, or cristals, so it is always nice to let them know, they are needed.

and it becomes almost a comedy again when is said but we did call, and the mast said no you did not, and that same mast has for now to be proof that bogeyman was there, in, out or about. so that will of course becomes another one of der hans little problems to solve. mast okay>mccanns are liars, mast not okay> mast lying where the bogeyman was.

by Guest 23.05.22 20:32

Silentscope wrote:Pepper spray is Legal to sell and hold without a License in Germany.
It should however only be used against Animal attacks.
CS sprays carrying the BKA seal of Approval are to be used against Humans. She would not have been able to buy it on Holiday as she would have had to provide a Portuguese license to do so.

https://www-ergo-de.translate.goog/de/rechtsportal/oft-nachgefragt/ist-pfefferspray-zur-verteidigung-erlaubt?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

That I'm a fastidious old fart can't be denied but when questioning matters of the law, I prefer to look to the legal profession for answers. Not some random source selected from wikipedia.

by **sharonl** 24.05.22 21:28

EXCLUSIVE: Police close to charging Madeleine McCann No.1 suspect Christian B with sex crimes

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/police-close-charging-madeleine-mccann-27054128

Prosecutors handed files to Christian Brueckner's lawyer - the final step under German law before charges are brought. They do not include any evidence relating to Madeleine McCann's disappearance

Prosecutors have moved a step closer to charging Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner with new sex crimes.

They have handed their files to Brueckner’s lawyer, the final step under German law before charges are brought.

The paperwork includes evidence allegedly linking him to the rape of an Irish tour rep and indecent exposures.

German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters told the Mirror the files were handed to Brueckner’s lawyer Friedrich Fulscher earlier this week. They do not include any evidence relating to Madeleine’s disappearance from her parents’ holiday flat in Praia da Luz in 2007.

Mr Wolters previously said investigators are sure Brueckner, 45, who lived in the resort, abducted the three-year-old.

Hazel Behan says she was raped in Praia de Rocha in June 2004

She has waived her right to anonymity and said her masked attacker spoke English with a German accent.

The ordeal she described was similar to the rape Brueckner carried out on a pensioner in Praia da Luz in 2005, for which he is still in prison.

Files handed to Mr Fulscher also include evidence allegedly linking Brueckner to two indecent exposures to children in Portugal. Mr Wolters said: “The defence attorney must be given a reasonable amount of time to work through the files and to discuss them with his client.

“In view of the quite extensive files... Mr Fulscher will need a few weeks.”

Mr Fulscher now has a right of reply before any charges are filed.

Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, say they hold out hope their daughter is still alive.

by **sharonl** 24.05.22 21:54

For what it's worth

From the BKA Facebook page

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But what does the BKA have to do with it?
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