Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be

According to someone who lives in Portugal and knows and has done the research, the Arade lake is at about 25% of the volume it was in 2007, hence it is clearly down by as much at 10m. from its normal level where the heavy vegetation starts. That explains the huge area of bare earth we are seeing.
Anything thrown into the lake unless into a serious deep area and weighted down will be lying in the open on the area where people now seem to be wandering about.  Dead dogs, beer bottles, bags of rubbish, picnic chairs, sunken kayaks, and dead children the same.

How far could someone throw this? 70 Metres perhaps?
A Body even less far..

I feel an EXCLUSIVE Esther McVey coming on.

It's important that we never lose sight of all the high profile persons embroiled in the Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann - the list is streamingly endless.

No wonder the prime suspects still roam free and the circus continues ....

a little round up from all and everywhere.

expresso portugal says no significant findings, they had attention for fabrics and garments, and dig some when dogs indicated. 

correia de maiha talks about 'they are looking for fibers of the pyjama'. good luck with that, because it is not something that could be easily proven to be from the pyjama, there is no piece left of the originals, only a alike one, and cotton fibres are known to be hard to almost impossible to dedicate them to a specific batch.

sic noticias had a former police officer in, and talked about looking for objects and maybe something like clothing. 

bild germany i do only see a link to a video, it looks not to be a headline type of news for them.
the reporter tells nothing was told so far about results, all was pretty quiet. about 60 people take part in the searches. they have a bit more, if you have a subscription to bild online, so we have to wait until other media have copied that.

sic noticias yesterday told it was actually the fourth time the german police had asked the portuguese to search somewhere. 

rtl netherlands has the headline dinghies, dogs and divers with a bit of video. it sounds much better in english than dutch; bootjes, honden en duikers.

one of the international cnn you tube accounts has an hour long live view , source looks to be the anp, most coverage of today looks to be from this same source. it is a lot of standing, walking and handshaking people, a bit of overview, putting the correct liners in the correct bin. there is not really that much of action, but who wants to spare an hour staring at a screen, look here;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsBy_c6Fo6k

the germans still have little to say, there is a very short message for the press on their site, in german;
https://staatsanwaltschaft-braunschweig.niedersachsen.de/startseite/aktuelles/presseinformationen/aktuelle-ermittlungsmass

translated by deepl it gets to this;

Within the framework of the investigations in the Madeleine McCann case, criminal procedural measures are currently taking place in Portugal. The measures are being implemented by way of mutual legal assistance by the Portuguese prosecution authorities with the support of officers of the Federal Criminal Police Office.

More detailed information on the background is not being released at this time for tactical investigative reasons.

all in all it is just the next happening that is made by media attention, not on substance of the event itself. 

why is it a problem for the uk media to understand it is an investigation in portugal and the only possibility to do such things is when portuguese police officers are doing their job and will do and lead that investigation. 

i find it pretty offensive that someone as jim gamble is named as the senior child protection officer, who was there in 2007 in portugal, okay but as soon as his boots did reach soil in portugal, he was just a civilian by law of portugal. why is there that need to live in fairy land, there is life and law outside the uk too. 
even the germans get it. because that is how it works. 

so it is not a german investigation, not a british investigation, but a portuguese investigation. it must be very painful to recognize that, because usually the uk media paint them only as the local sardine munchers. 

if this search stays in the established boundaries of searches by the uk and a certain dreamer, they possible will tells us tomorrow they have found a sock. such a shame their is not even one sock missing going by the story to follow as painted by a certain d-notice. so socks do not count as a result. 
and in reality it is impossible to be sure what you have put in bags and boxes after finding it, usually you have to do a fair bit of study on all of it to know what it is or was, and that is just the start, what it means, and if it means anything for the investigation you have taken on, it can simply means weeks or even months before you can know it. so do not expect much tomorrow.

Madeleine McCann investigation: 'The German police want to keep the case alive'-Mark Williams-Thomas



Oh dear Dan Dare, oh dear oh dear oh dear.

Oh well, the media and press across the broad spectrum have taken the story on board without reservation..

Madeleine McCann investigation: Police begin search of Algarve reservoir after tip-off | Mark White

This charade is getting mass coverage across mainstream and social media/press.

I remain sceptical until further notice.



Nothing to discuss until the reasoning behind this extravaganza is made apparent - if ever.

Meanwhile I'm anticipating nothing but a void.

After all this time the most that can be anticipated is fabricated story lines to either pin the tale on the jackass or extend the case for another xyz years.

Wake me up when it's over.

What's needed here is a back to basics approach, not a prolonged saga of what might or might not be concealed in a reservoir or it's surrounds.

Whatever, it's inevitable if anything is found it will be something that will connect with an abducted three year old child.

Dan Wootton knows nothing about the case, and has done no research.

the independant has a livestream today, yesterday too, even longer than the cnn18 one.

this is the link to their you tube account;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpXwI1r-qFs

a lot of tents, very small people, a lot of water and a lot of bushes. not much moving at the moment. 

the bbc live blog is still up, but not running at the moment, but this is the link for who want to follow on;

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-65676619

that was said also by a unknown woman during the live stream of the independent, you could hear some people talk in the back ground, it was no official comment. the stream does pick up some comments from the background.

it was said from their source, because they had found pictures or other things on his laptop, and also they had found information cb did indeed stayed around that reservoir 20 years ago. 

but it looks to be just a guess because the searchers are pretty busy with looking around, without searching and keeping their eyes on their laptop, or ipad. besides looking from pictures restored from cb, it could also simple be looking for the most likely waterline in 2007. water heights are most times pretty well known, and you could with a handheld, very small laserand gps device bring back what parts we do now see to its original boundary between water and land in 2007 from may 3 on. 

yesterday it was said there have been searches on 4 area's around the reservoir.
i have looked a bit on and of this morning, but seen nothing other than the drone and a lot of mapping. it is no longer the date and age you have to do that on paper. 

the story of pictures from the boxfactory from the mirror are not in favor to all news outlets, from a direct tipp off, old material on a laptop from cb that told that he frequented the place 20 years ago. no body did tell the media what they are looking for, or why they look at this reservoir and surroundings. 

the same with the chainsaws, they do not sound like chainsaws, more like bush cutters, and that would be understandable if they make use of the dogs. most under growth is pretty course and dead grasses. 

the media can do just the same as we can do, just do some guesswork ans see where it will come too.

The only difference is, we don't rule out the obvious suspects.

CaKeLoveR wrote:Dan Wootton knows nothing about the case, and has done no research.

Well he ruddy well should have done his research before speaking before the world about a serious crime - for that is what it is.  Farage is also guilty of hosting the circus last night on GB News.

GB News claim to be the people's channel (whatever that means), no spin, no bias, the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth - how can you make such an audacious claim when showcasing fabrication?  They let you down on just one subject and it throws their whole being into question.

It is indeed   .

Journalists shouldn't be allowed to mislead the public with their muckspreading - it's unethical, they are supposed to work within a code of conduct.  They couldn't conduct a double-decker bus.

I'm very disillusioned by this hype - can't somebody in the public eye step out of line and throw some doubt on this apparent fiasco?  Someone genuine, not a microphone or camera poser with an agenda.

The Great Portugal Adventure will not lead anywhere, no matter how many bags of silt and weeds they carry away from the scene - we've been this way so many times before, as usual it's having the desired effect by keeping the nail-biting audience on the edge of their seats waiting for the next episode.

Why not make it more atmospheric - a refugee pass before the camera with a bag of swag, a drag queen floating on the rippling waters, an Afro-American banging out reggae on a tom-tom, a dinghy delivery off shore.  That'll get tongues a wagging and audience participation.

But why are the PJ going along with this?

I'd like to know the reason for that also.

Apparently the search is for the PJ's Maddie wasn't wearing when she wasn't abducted.

crusader wrote:At least it brings Madeleine back into focus and we get to rubbish the journalists crappy reports.

Herr Wolters has to do something to try to pin Madeleine's disappearance on CB before it's taken out of his hands.

This is true crusader but the problem is people believe what they see and hear, on CMOMM we are only a minuscule representation of the world's population. If you take a look around you will see how people believe Brueckner is guilty of Madeleine McCann's fate - whatever that might be. I'm all for bringing the name Madeleine McCann back into focus, providing the lead is based on evidence and case intelligence. None of this fits in with evidence, it's a wild goose chase.

Over the past few days the press and media have been whipped-up into a frenzy - but why? Because German authorities who have been pushing Christian Brueckner up-front for a few years - without a scrap of evidence to further their cause, have arrived in Portugal to swim and dive and rummage about a reservoir for some sort of evidence. A reservoir which incidentally was searched many many years ago.

It's propaganda in it's purest form.



I do however agree with the few comments about the reason for Portugal's acquiescence - but then they did also agree to the Operation Grange invasion in 2014, which likewise they participated.

Jill Havern wrote:Apparently the search is for the PJ's Maddie wasn't wearing when she wasn't abducted.

Or grubby worn-out swimsuits that just happen to fit a three year old child as found in the camper owned by Brueckner - allegedly.

Jeffrey Epstein was suicided.
Jimmy Savile was on BBC TV for 50 years.
Rolf Harris has just died.
No-one was ever prosecuted over the murder of JonBenet Ramsey.
Madeleine McCann was 'abducted' on Thursday 3 May 2007.
Jim Gamble, boss of CEOP, uploaded a page on Madeleine McCann on the CEOP website on Sunday 30 April 2007.

KLM = Kid's lives matter   

Except they apparently don't  

It's not a small number of people who like to hurt and kill children, either, and they are very well organised in some cases.

crusader wrote:Professional courtesy? I'm sure the Portuguese police would love to see an end to the fiasco.

You are probably right - if the Portuguese were requested by Germany through international policing protocol to undertake a search in a specific area of Portugal, I guess the Portuguese authorities had no option but to agree.

I'd still like to know who is paying for this operation - hopefully a forum friend in Portugal will reveal all in due course.  No doubt Snr Amaral still keeps in touch with the investigation, I hope we hear something from him or a reliable source close thereto very soon.

As days pass, without spending every hour of every day following proceedings over in Portugal, it's looking more and more like the tip-off that allegedly started the German invasion is hidden in the words .... 'Brueckner's Paradise'.  Much like all the other tip-offs that never materialised into anything productive - remember the conversation over-heard in a bar somewhere in a galaxy far far away?  The hearsay conversation said to have launched the fabricated case against Brueckner?

Chief witness - Manfredman

And so would you ^^

onehand wrote:the independant has a livestream today, yesterday too, even longer than the cnn18 one.

this is the link to their you tube account;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpXwI1r-qFs

a lot of tents, very small people, a lot of water and a lot of bushes. not much moving at the moment. 

the bbc live blog is still up, but not running at the moment, but this is the link for who want to follow on;

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-65676619

Live: Portugal police search Algarve reservoir for Madeleine McCann's remains



BBC update..

Live Reporting

Edited by Brandon Livesay

Posted at 14:16 23 May14:16 23 May
We're pausing our live coverage

Thanks for following our live coverage as police began a new search for Madeleine McCann at a reservoir in Portugal.

We're expecting the search to last a few more days and it will span across at least four areas around the Arade reservoir.

Today's writers were Emily McGarvey, Malu Cursino and Laura Gozzi, and Rob Corp and Brandon Livesay were the editors.

For all the latest on the search for Madeleine McCann, read our news story here.

In short - nothing to see here .

Madeleine searches, Arade dam – airspace closed till 10pm tonight

By  Natasha Donn - 24th May 2023

11 km radius around dam blocked to flights below 610 metres

As press packs from around the world return to Portugal for another flurry of police activity related to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, Lusa reports that the ‘no-fly zone’ imposed around Silves’ Arade dam has only been reserved until 10pm this evening.

This gels with initial information that police were only likely to search the area for two days.

For the time being, beyond ever-increasing speculation and breathless reports with the dam in the background, there is no ‘news’.

Police activity has extended beyond digging to the use of ‘brush-cutters’ (strimmers) in some areas; a collection of bags “that could contain evidence” have been removed from the scene; “dozens of sniffer dogs” have been seen working the area.

Various reports suggest the police search operation was prompted by information given to German police “from a very reliable source”.

Beyond that, there is very little to ‘hold onto’. It has to be remembered that defence lawyer Friedrich Fülscher described the original source for German investigators’ focus on Christian Brückner as “the worst witness you can get”.

https://www.portugalresident.com/madeleine-searches-arade-dam-airspace-closed-till-10pm-tonight/



I love this lady's inimitable style - tells it like it is with a touch of thrown in.

Nothing on the BBC this morning. Absolutely nothing. Decided that there's nothing to see there, packed up & bogged off to the beach/golf course?