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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by PeterMac 23.09.20 15:23
Not quite as easy as thatSilentscope wrote:It is only Libel if it is NOT true.
Hold fast.
English defamation law puts the burden of proving the truth of allegedly defamatory statements on the defendant, and does not require the plaintiff to prove falsehood, and for that reason, has been considered an impediment to free speech in much of the developed world.
And there's the rub.
If you say the someone did it, and they say they didn't, they do not have to prove they didn't
It is up to you to prove - at least to the civil standard (and I suspect if you are alleging crime to the Criminal standard) that they did.
The onus of proof is on the DEFENDANT
In one case close to all our hearts the Defendant was threatened that if one, just one, statement proved to be libellous, ( in other words he could not prove its truth on the balance of probabilities, and it did not fit into the Fair Comment or other defence categories) then he would lose and be immediately liable to all the Plaintiff's and the court fees, which by then were in 6 figures.
So under that threat of financial ruin he signed the Undertaking.
In Plain English it is called duress, threats and intimidation, which are the words used in the Crime of Blackmail
Opinion is OK though
So many posters append their remarks with IMHO
Or make everything conditional, or phrased in the form of open questions
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Silentscope 23.09.20 16:03
Then in the Case you describe, the Defendant (Accusor) is Guilty/ wrong until he proves himself Innocent / correct?
I see your point. It differs only slightly in Germany because bearing False Witness and Setting someone up for doing a Crime they did not do - has to be done on purpose. With an intent. (As far as I know)
It can not be Fulfilled by Acting in the true belief it was the Suspect at the time, who is later cleared.
If Herr Fülscher wants to prove his Client has been Falsely Accused - then I hope the MSM and certain Witnesses can prove without reasonable doubt that Christian B “DID IT”.
Or he will surely try his best to make them pay.
That is his Job.
I see your point. It differs only slightly in Germany because bearing False Witness and Setting someone up for doing a Crime they did not do - has to be done on purpose. With an intent. (As far as I know)
It can not be Fulfilled by Acting in the true belief it was the Suspect at the time, who is later cleared.
If Herr Fülscher wants to prove his Client has been Falsely Accused - then I hope the MSM and certain Witnesses can prove without reasonable doubt that Christian B “DID IT”.
Or he will surely try his best to make them pay.
That is his Job.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Verdi 24.09.20 0:38
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner using British lawyers for defence case
EXCLUSIVE: It remains unclear who is paying the fees to retain 43-year-old Christian Brueckner's team of British lawyers as he has no source of income
ByAndy Lines
21:58, 23 SEP 2020
The prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case has employed a team of British lawyers to help his case, it has been revealed.
Christian Brueckner, 43, has instructed a UK legal firm to assist him as he tries to prove his innocence.
His German lawyer Friedrich Fuelscher said: “I can confirm we are using UK lawyers.”
But it remains unclear who is paying the lawyers’ fees.
Penniless Brueckner is currently doing time in a German jail and has no source of income.
When asked who was funding Brueckner’s representation, Mr Fuelscher replied: “I’m afraid I cannot answer that question.”
However, he said one of the lawyers’ roles was “looking at the media coverage surrounding him”.
It is possible the fees will be funded under the German legal aid system, which would mean the German taxpayers would be footing the bill.
Fuelscher has gone on record complaining about the “lack of objectivity” in some of the press reporting in Germany and the UK.
It is understood the legal firm combs all British news websites and reads every national newspaper each day to check coverage.
Brueckner was named earlier this year as the chief suspect in Madeleine’s disappearance.
Police said the drifter’s mobile phone records placed him in the Portuguese seaside resort of Praia da Luz on the night she went missing in 2007. She was nearly four years old at the time.
Brueckner has previously- been convicted of a string of charges including possession of child sex images and the rape of a pensioner
He is currently serving a 21-month sentence in Kiel, northern Germany, on drug dealing charges.
But he claims he had nothing to do with Madeleine’s disappearance.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-22732762
EXCLUSIVE: It remains unclear who is paying the fees to retain 43-year-old Christian Brueckner's team of British lawyers as he has no source of income
ByAndy Lines
21:58, 23 SEP 2020
The prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case has employed a team of British lawyers to help his case, it has been revealed.
Christian Brueckner, 43, has instructed a UK legal firm to assist him as he tries to prove his innocence.
His German lawyer Friedrich Fuelscher said: “I can confirm we are using UK lawyers.”
But it remains unclear who is paying the lawyers’ fees.
Penniless Brueckner is currently doing time in a German jail and has no source of income.
When asked who was funding Brueckner’s representation, Mr Fuelscher replied: “I’m afraid I cannot answer that question.”
However, he said one of the lawyers’ roles was “looking at the media coverage surrounding him”.
It is possible the fees will be funded under the German legal aid system, which would mean the German taxpayers would be footing the bill.
Fuelscher has gone on record complaining about the “lack of objectivity” in some of the press reporting in Germany and the UK.
It is understood the legal firm combs all British news websites and reads every national newspaper each day to check coverage.
Brueckner was named earlier this year as the chief suspect in Madeleine’s disappearance.
Police said the drifter’s mobile phone records placed him in the Portuguese seaside resort of Praia da Luz on the night she went missing in 2007. She was nearly four years old at the time.
Brueckner has previously- been convicted of a string of charges including possession of child sex images and the rape of a pensioner
He is currently serving a 21-month sentence in Kiel, northern Germany, on drug dealing charges.
But he claims he had nothing to do with Madeleine’s disappearance.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-22732762
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by PeterMac 24.09.20 8:35
Let us hope the UK firm is Carter-Ruck, or Schillings, or even Mishcon dR to counter the defamatory allegations being made against him in all the usual papers.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Silentscope 24.09.20 9:42
It has never ceased to be a Wonder to me how the Press are allowed to behave in England. No one should defame the chosen few - but they are Free to defame everyone else?
No Wonder Harry and Meghan left.
I am still waiting to Fall out of my Stool!
No Wonder Harry and Meghan left.
I am still waiting to Fall out of my Stool!
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Mainline 24.09.20 10:15
https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/jcms/p1_3232917/en/
http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&docid=231565&pageIndex=0&doclang=DE&mode=req&dir=&occ=first&part=1&cid=4351967
http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&docid=231565&pageIndex=0&doclang=DE&mode=req&dir=&occ=first&part=1&cid=4351967
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Guest 24.09.20 10:22
How long has this non-story been running now?
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Silentscope 24.09.20 10:41
If the McCanns wanted to put Charges in for the Murder of their Daughter at the hands of Christian B, they have not done it within the Three month “Antragsfrist” or Deadline.
The Story broke 4 June 20
Still waiting to fall off of my Stool....
The Story broke 4 June 20
Still waiting to fall off of my Stool....
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Doug D 24.09.20 10:53
Mainline's links above relate to Brueckner's failed appeal judgement issued this morning.
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner loses bid for prison release
· BY DAVE BURKE
· 08:54, 24 SEP 2020UPDATED 09:33, 24 SEP 2020
Lawyers for prime suspect Christian Brueckner had argued that protocols in the use of the European Arrest Warrant had been reached, but today judges threw his appeal out
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner has today lost his bid to be freed from prison in Germany.
Lawyers for the 43-year-old had argued that European Arrest Warrant protocols had been breached, meaning he qualified for release.
But this morning that claim was rejected by European Court of Justice judges, who ordered that he remains behind bars.
He was arrested in 2018 in Italy, and is currently serving a 21 month sentence for drug dealing.
In December he was convicted of raping a 72-year-old woman in Portugal and sentenced to seven years in prison - a conviction is appealing against.
Brueckner, who denies having anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance, has served two thirds of his sentence.
Brueckner was named earlier this year as the chief suspect in Madeleine’s disappearance.
According to court documents, in which Brueckner is referred to as XC, he was extradited from Portugal for sexually abusing a minor in June 2017, then travelled to the Netherlands and Italy whilst still on probation after his release.
He was extradited to Germany from Italy in October 2018 on a warrant for drug trafficking before being tried and convicted of rape and extortion in December last year.
The ECJ case centred on whether the German authorities needed Portugal's consent to bring rape proceedings because of the 2017 extradition.
Police said the drifter’s mobile phone records placed him in the Portuguese seaside resort of Praia da Luz on the night she went missing in 2007. She was nearly four years old at the time.
German chief prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has said there is “material evidence” she is dead.
Brueckner has previously- been convicted of a string of charges including possession of child sex images and the rape of a pensioner.
New Madeleine McCann prime suspect
Madeleine's parents are refusing to believe their daughter is dead, despite prosecutors saying she "cannot be alive".
Kate and Gerry will not give up hope until a body is found, a family friend said.
Investigators in Germany believe Madeleine was murdered, with convicted paedophile Christian Brueckner identified as the key suspect.
And last week chief investigator Hans Christian Wolters said "everything points to her being dead."
It has left the McCanns in a "state of limbo", but they remain hopeful that their daughter, who was three when she vanished in May 2007, will turn out to be alive.
A pal told The Sun: "Until a body is found and it is proved to be Madeleine’s, Kate and Gerry are not giving up hope.
"These latest ‘she’s dead but there's no body’ theories have been repeated over the past three-and-a-half months but in all this time there appears to be no significant new development.
"It leaves Kate and Gerry on tenterhooks and in a state of limbo not knowing if there will be a breakthrough or if German officers sadly may have got wrong. It’s been another desperately difficult time for them."
The Met Police are still treating Madeleine's disappearance as a missing person inquiry.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-22733952.amp
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner loses bid for prison release
· BY DAVE BURKE
· 08:54, 24 SEP 2020UPDATED 09:33, 24 SEP 2020
Lawyers for prime suspect Christian Brueckner had argued that protocols in the use of the European Arrest Warrant had been reached, but today judges threw his appeal out
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner has today lost his bid to be freed from prison in Germany.
Lawyers for the 43-year-old had argued that European Arrest Warrant protocols had been breached, meaning he qualified for release.
But this morning that claim was rejected by European Court of Justice judges, who ordered that he remains behind bars.
He was arrested in 2018 in Italy, and is currently serving a 21 month sentence for drug dealing.
In December he was convicted of raping a 72-year-old woman in Portugal and sentenced to seven years in prison - a conviction is appealing against.
Brueckner, who denies having anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance, has served two thirds of his sentence.
Brueckner was named earlier this year as the chief suspect in Madeleine’s disappearance.
According to court documents, in which Brueckner is referred to as XC, he was extradited from Portugal for sexually abusing a minor in June 2017, then travelled to the Netherlands and Italy whilst still on probation after his release.
He was extradited to Germany from Italy in October 2018 on a warrant for drug trafficking before being tried and convicted of rape and extortion in December last year.
The ECJ case centred on whether the German authorities needed Portugal's consent to bring rape proceedings because of the 2017 extradition.
Police said the drifter’s mobile phone records placed him in the Portuguese seaside resort of Praia da Luz on the night she went missing in 2007. She was nearly four years old at the time.
German chief prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has said there is “material evidence” she is dead.
Brueckner has previously- been convicted of a string of charges including possession of child sex images and the rape of a pensioner.
New Madeleine McCann prime suspect
Madeleine's parents are refusing to believe their daughter is dead, despite prosecutors saying she "cannot be alive".
Kate and Gerry will not give up hope until a body is found, a family friend said.
Investigators in Germany believe Madeleine was murdered, with convicted paedophile Christian Brueckner identified as the key suspect.
And last week chief investigator Hans Christian Wolters said "everything points to her being dead."
It has left the McCanns in a "state of limbo", but they remain hopeful that their daughter, who was three when she vanished in May 2007, will turn out to be alive.
A pal told The Sun: "Until a body is found and it is proved to be Madeleine’s, Kate and Gerry are not giving up hope.
"These latest ‘she’s dead but there's no body’ theories have been repeated over the past three-and-a-half months but in all this time there appears to be no significant new development.
"It leaves Kate and Gerry on tenterhooks and in a state of limbo not knowing if there will be a breakthrough or if German officers sadly may have got wrong. It’s been another desperately difficult time for them."
The Met Police are still treating Madeleine's disappearance as a missing person inquiry.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-22733952.amp
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Verdi 24.09.20 12:17
It's running close to four months now I believe, day in day out!BlueBag wrote:How long has this non-story been running now?
Oh no strike that last bit - we're not allowed out are we.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by MaxHeadroom 24.09.20 14:09
It was in early June that the "revelations" about CB first broke the news, so it's close to being four months now. And it even feels way longer than that since it has been the same day by day ever since: No progress considering his claimed involvement in the Madeleine case, just some dirty laundry for the gutter press and some dubious statements by untrustworthy witnesses. How long will they drag this ridiculous theatre of the absurd on?Verdi wrote:It's running close to four months now I believe, day in day out!BlueBag wrote:How long has this non-story been running now?
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Silentscope 24.09.20 14:12
Cue music - “The Never ending Story” - Limahl
And I am STILL waiting to fall off my Chair...
And I am STILL waiting to fall off my Chair...
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Verdi 24.09.20 15:33
MaxHeadroom wrote:It was in early June that the "revelations" about CB first broke the news, so it's close to being four months now. And it even feels way longer than that since it has been the same day by day ever since: No progress considering his claimed involvement in the Madeleine case, just some dirty laundry for the gutter press and some dubious statements by untrustworthy witnesses. How long will they drag this ridiculous theatre of the absurd on?Verdi wrote:It's running close to four months now I believe, day in day out!BlueBag wrote:How long has this non-story been running now?
Apart from being beneficial to team McCann and potential for another documentary, or blockbuster stateside movie, it must surely be used as a reason to prolong Operation Grange. Home Office funding in that direction has suddenly gone undercover but is usually around March and this time of year that talks of application for further funding, or extending operations.
It's boring. As I repeatedly say, if the German authorities have any substantial evidence to implicate the Germanman in any way with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, then show your hand or, failing that, proceed with a prosecution. Then and only then tell the world.
I'm not remotely interested in the sordid life of Germanman, past, present or future.
If there is evidence cough up, if not .... shut up!
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Verdi 24.09.20 16:10
I think they are running a biathlon conjointly with 'the virus'.
At present my money's on 'the virus' winning the endurance test - but it could change at any moment.
At present my money's on 'the virus' winning the endurance test - but it could change at any moment.
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Dr Oz
by Guest 24.09.20 22:56
Dr Oz does a replay of the “abduction” with a miniature model of the bedroom and a mouse doll as stand in for Madeleine. If you thought you had seen it all
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Hope you don't mind Juulcy, I've merged your post with the current Christian Brueckner thread, as it appears to be the focal point of the video. I've also uploaded the video for you.
What a melodrama! I haven't a clue who Dr Oz is, I thought it was Bradley Walsh
The lady who features is in great danger of the eyeballs leaving the sockets - such is her enthusiasm.
This is never going away is it?
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Hope you don't mind Juulcy, I've merged your post with the current Christian Brueckner thread, as it appears to be the focal point of the video. I've also uploaded the video for you.
What a melodrama! I haven't a clue who Dr Oz is, I thought it was Bradley Walsh
The lady who features is in great danger of the eyeballs leaving the sockets - such is her enthusiasm.
This is never going away is it?
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by PeterMac 25.09.20 9:09
What utter garbage.
They can't even get the location of Tanner man right 3:21.
But it continues the Official Story, so it can't be bad - for the McCanns.
They can't even get the location of Tanner man right 3:21.
But it continues the Official Story, so it can't be bad - for the McCanns.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Silentscope 25.09.20 9:52
Were the Reporters bulging eyes meant to Hypnotize us?
It did not work on me...
G’day Dr.Oz
It did not work on me...
G’day Dr.Oz
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Verdi 25.09.20 12:33
@MaxHeadroom
I've moved your post over here from the 'Video of the Day', as the link directly relates to the Christian Brueckner affair.
Apologies for the Heath Robinson method of copying over, it's the best I can do from that particular thread.
If you care to re-post here so it appears in your own name, I will delete this shabby mode of administration.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Guest 25.09.20 21:04
Yes really scary those eyes! Absurd...Silentscope wrote:Were the Reporters bulging eyes meant to Hypnotize us?
It did not work on me...
G’day Dr.Oz
But the most irritating part is that Dr Oz is a big show in the states that is viewed by 1.1 million Americans a week. Combine that with Netflix and the new “Christian Brueckner did it”
.. a whole new “generation” is growing up not questioning the narrative of abduction.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Silentscope 25.09.20 21:29
I thought it was an Australian thing? Oz?
Maybe someone thinks he is the Wizard of Oz then?
That he can make all us Non-believers in the chosen Narrative disappear?
I am hoping Herr Fülscher plays his Cards soon...
Still waiting to fall out of my Chair...🪑
Maybe someone thinks he is the Wizard of Oz then?
That he can make all us Non-believers in the chosen Narrative disappear?
I am hoping Herr Fülscher plays his Cards soon...
Still waiting to fall out of my Chair...🪑
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Verdi 26.09.20 13:18
Ms Sandra Felgueiras is certainly milking this for all it's worth - artistic licence notwithstanding.
https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/sexta-as-9
It's mainly Portuguese/German languages but Ms Felgueiras does ask a few questions in English. I think you can tell all by the composure and facial expressions of the interviewee. even if you can't understand the language. As you can quite clearly see the general direction Sexta9 is taking.
Nice video footage and a very good indication that Hans Christian Wolters is pulling a fast one.
Many thanks to the forum member who sent me this link .
https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/sexta-as-9
It's mainly Portuguese/German languages but Ms Felgueiras does ask a few questions in English. I think you can tell all by the composure and facial expressions of the interviewee. even if you can't understand the language. As you can quite clearly see the general direction Sexta9 is taking.
Nice video footage and a very good indication that Hans Christian Wolters is pulling a fast one.
Many thanks to the forum member who sent me this link
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Verdi 26.09.20 13:55
Weekend again - the customary repeats..
By Natalia Penza
Published: 09:44, 26 September 2020 | Updated: 10:41, 26 September 2020
Prosecutors in Germany insist they do not need Madeline McCann's body in order to prosecute the man they believe killed the youngster.
Braunschweig-based Hans Christian Wolters claims the authorities simply need to be 'convinced' she is dead to be able to put a suspect on trial.
The statement will lead to increased speculation that prosecutors are moving closer to charging the prime suspect in the youngster's disappearance - Christian Brueckner.
Read here: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8775111/Madeline-McCann-investigators-say-not-need-youngsters-body-prosecute-German-suspect.html
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Yeah, you might just scrape through without a body but you will need evidence of some sort. I don't think an alleged phone call in the vicinity of the Ocean Club, quite cuts it.
Show your hand or
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Madeleine McCann investigators say they do not need to find a body in order to prosecute paedophile suspect Christian Brueckner for her murder
- Prosecutors confident of charging Christian Brueckner with toddler's disappearance despite no body
- Legal team just needs to be convinced that the three-year-old is dead
- Paedophile Brucekner is already in German jail on a 21 month drug sentence
- Solicitor says no smoking gun pointing at Brueckner but evidence points at him
- Brueckner's solicitor says he is innocent of the Madeline's disappearance
By Natalia Penza
Published: 09:44, 26 September 2020 | Updated: 10:41, 26 September 2020
Prosecutors in Germany insist they do not need Madeline McCann's body in order to prosecute the man they believe killed the youngster.
Braunschweig-based Hans Christian Wolters claims the authorities simply need to be 'convinced' she is dead to be able to put a suspect on trial.
The statement will lead to increased speculation that prosecutors are moving closer to charging the prime suspect in the youngster's disappearance - Christian Brueckner.
Read here: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8775111/Madeline-McCann-investigators-say-not-need-youngsters-body-prosecute-German-suspect.html
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Yeah, you might just scrape through without a body but you will need evidence of some sort. I don't think an alleged phone call in the vicinity of the Ocean Club, quite cuts it.
Show your hand or
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by PeterMac 26.09.20 15:35
Braunschweig-based Hans Christian Wolters claims the authorities simply need to be 'convinced' she is dead to be able to put a suspect on trial.
What trite tripe.
For the court to convict they will need to be convinced that Brückner killed her, and for that they will need to know when, and how.
And to establish that, the prosecution will have to explain how he came to be in her presence, again when and how.
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But a little way down he redeems himself . .
He said: 'Everything we have points to her being dead. We have no margin of manoeuvre.'
Well QUITE SO. The PJ realised this within 24 hours, the McCanns' and the Tapas 7's verbal clues made it fairly clear, and the British dogs confirmed this beyond a reasonable doubt within three months.
What trite tripe.
For the court to convict they will need to be convinced that Brückner killed her, and for that they will need to know when, and how.
And to establish that, the prosecution will have to explain how he came to be in her presence, again when and how.
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But a little way down he redeems himself . .
He said: 'Everything we have points to her being dead. We have no margin of manoeuvre.'
Well QUITE SO. The PJ realised this within 24 hours, the McCanns' and the Tapas 7's verbal clues made it fairly clear, and the British dogs confirmed this beyond a reasonable doubt within three months.
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Silentscope 26.09.20 15:55
Unbelievable! That Herr Wolters seems to believe it will be so easy?
Bild were Reporting last night that there were unsubstantiated Witnesses in the Cagiva commune that are willing to State that CB also made “Confessions “ to them at the Mar 2008 Dragon Festival that he climbed out of the Grilled window. According to the Reporter.
Only problem is - the Grill was added afterwards! Kai obviously did not know!
https://youtu.be/AVe8-dpktrM
Bild were Reporting last night that there were unsubstantiated Witnesses in the Cagiva commune that are willing to State that CB also made “Confessions “ to them at the Mar 2008 Dragon Festival that he climbed out of the Grilled window. According to the Reporter.
Only problem is - the Grill was added afterwards! Kai obviously did not know!
https://youtu.be/AVe8-dpktrM
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Re: Christian Brueckner: To be or not to be
by Verdi 27.09.20 0:51
As I said previously Silentscope, when posting a link on the forum you need to open the link yourself, right click and copy the URL from your browser, then paste here on CMOMM.
You have again linked to your google search ^^^, which only takes the reader to your google search results.
You have again linked to your google search ^^^, which only takes the reader to your google search results.
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