The latest McCann suspect: Scotland Yard has revealed vital new information about a suspect wanted in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

This getting beyond a joke. It's sick.

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MADELEINE MCCANN was murdered soon after she was kidnapped, the German prosecutor leading the investigation believes.

Prime suspect Christian B is said to have boasted about torture and destroying evidence in an online conversation with another paedophile.

He made threats about wanting to “catch something little and use it for days”.

German cops investigating the disappearance of Inga Gehricke, aged five, – who Christian B has also been linked to – discovered the conversation.

During the chat, when Christian B was asked about being caught, he allegedly said: “Meh, if the evidence is destroyed . . .”

He then added: “Then I’ll record maaaany videos/clips. I’ll document in detail how she’s being tortured.”

This comes after a British ex-girlfriend of Christian B claimed the night before the toddler vanished he told her: “I have a horrible job to do in Praia da Luz tomorrow.”

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Madeleine McCann was not kidnapped or abducted or snatched or burgled.

Why oh why are they being allowed to run this story.  Are media ethics a thing of the past - or did they ever exist?

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Dr What wrote:Whilst this Brueckner bloke is not worthy of one second of sympathy and whilst acknowledging that he could have been/was involved in all sorts of illegal activity in the Algarve, it appears that there is a co-ordinated attempt to link him to the McCann case. If the German Police have definite evidence, then they should say so.All this wink-wink, nudge -nudge 'we know something but cannot share it with you and we need your help to prove it', has simply meant that our wonderful blood-hound journalists are running around in circles as they have willingly done for years.

Asking the public for info is fair enough, but the German Police, by saying that they believe she is dead and in the same breathe wanting info about Brueckner are trying to fit him into their assumptions.Assuming the statements/movements of the Tapas lot are as honest as the day is long[!!?] then how anyone could have carried out the preferred narrative of an abduction is beyond belief.

In addition, the Public have already assisted with info before....and introduced potential paedophile overtones...simply read Dr. Gaspar statement.Whatever happened to that? Has it ever been acknowledged and officially investigated and dismissed? Now why have our blood-hound journos not sniffed around that I wonder?

And wasn't it SY who hung on to the Gaspar statements for 6 months before sending them to the PJ?  

Surely it was the Leicestershire Police that held onto it? Either way it appears that DP is a very unlucky chap indeed. Two foreign holidays in the space of a few years and two independent professionals raise concerns about him. He must have dropped and smashed a mirror whilst tripping over a black cat and ending up under a ladder. Of course, I'm sure that there's nothing to any of it.

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cookiemuncher wrote:

Dr What wrote:Whilst this Brueckner bloke is not worthy of one second of sympathy and whilst acknowledging that he could have been/was involved in all sorts of illegal activity in the Algarve, it appears that there is a co-ordinated attempt to link him to the McCann case. If the German Police have definite evidence, then they should say so.All this wink-wink, nudge -nudge 'we know something but cannot share it with you and we need your help to prove it', has simply meant that our wonderful blood-hound journalists are running around in circles as they have willingly done for years.

Asking the public for info is fair enough, but the German Police, by saying that they believe she is dead and in the same breathe wanting info about Brueckner are trying to fit him into their assumptions.Assuming the statements/movements of the Tapas lot are as honest as the day is long[!!?] then how anyone could have carried out the preferred narrative of an abduction is beyond belief.

In addition, the Public have already assisted with info before....and introduced potential paedophile overtones...simply read Dr. Gaspar statement.Whatever happened to that? Has it ever been acknowledged and officially investigated and dismissed? Now why have our blood-hound journos not sniffed around that I wonder?

And wasn't it SY who hung on to the Gaspar statements for 6 months before sending them to the PJ?  

Surely it was the Leicestershire Police that held onto it? Either way it appears that DP is a very unlucky chap indeed. Two foreign holidays in the space of a few years and two independent professionals raise concerns about him. He must have dropped and smashed a mirror whilst tripping over a black cat and ending up under a ladder. Of course, I'm sure that there's nothing to any of it.

Yes, you're right.  My mistake sorry.  The Leics Police not SY.

The FULL article which was first published on the 5th June 2020 in The Conversation is titled Madeleine McCann: Investigation was flawed from the start, says senior detective who was there. Some parts have been edited out of the i article since this morning.

The German police must be aware of this forum, whose members have been giving information since it was set up, with detailed investigation ,and writing to police forces and MPs.

The above post refers to an article written by Graham Hills, an ex CEOP Detective Superintendent and now a Research Fellow at Leeds University.
It is clear that the article is pro McCann, pro stranger abduction theories and is a blatant attack on the Portuguese Police. 
It is worth reading as I believe there are some factual errors in it that need highlighting, particularly that have now been edited out. 
I apologise for presenting it this way, I am a bit of a computer dunce.

Verdi wrote:This getting beyond a joke.  It's sick.

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MADELEINE MCCANN was murdered soon after she was kidnapped, the German prosecutor leading the investigation believes.

Prime suspect Christian B is said to have boasted about torture and destroying evidence in an online conversation with another paedophile.

He made threats about wanting to “catch something little and use it for days”.

German cops investigating the disappearance of Inga Gehricke, aged five, – who Christian B has also been linked to – discovered the conversation.

During the chat, when Christian B was asked about being caught, he allegedly said: “Meh, if the evidence is destroyed . . .”

He then added: “Then I’ll record maaaany videos/clips. I’ll document in detail how she’s being tortured.”

This comes after a British ex-girlfriend of Christian B claimed the night before the toddler vanished he told her: “I have a horrible job to do in Praia da Luz tomorrow.”

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Yes it certainly is sick.

Why do we only ever hear about the McParents being upset with 'trolls' but not with sicko journalists who make up disgusting stories like this?

This is a three year old girl for goodness sake!

Where is the outrage from people like Pam Gurney, eh?
Well, Pam? I know you read here...

carole wrote:The FULL article which was first published on the 5th June 2020 in The Conversation is titled Madeleine McCann: Investigation was flawed from the start, says senior detective who was there. Some parts have been edited out of the i article since this morning.

Here you go:
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A true academicians article in my opinion, in which he pretty much says bugger all apart from expressing his opinion that the PJ investigation was flawed and things should be done differently, although it does seem apparent that the British intrusions were not welcomed by the PJ.
 
All good fluffy stuff of course:
 
From the outset I was struck by the lack of urgency surrounding the investigation and it was difficult to establish any detailed information around what direction the investigation was taking. Over the next few days, whenever I suggested certain courses of action that they might wish to consider, the Portuguese police either dismissed it out of hand or I was informed that it had already been done without result.
 
For example, I had serious misgivings about the quality of the search strategy, the recording of full-time and casual staff at the holiday complex, identification of all known suspected and convicted sex offenders living or frequenting the area, and other significant or relevant crimes in the local area.
 
My experience then, and even more so now having studied the behaviour of non-familial child abductors and murderers in-depth as a criminologist, is that the first 24 to 48 hours of a child abduction investigation – often referred to as the “golden hours” – are critical to its successful outcome. It requires strong, dynamic leadership supported by clear defensible decision making. 
This must be backed up by systems and structures designed to collect and evaluate information quickly. At the same time, information must be retained in a manner so that it can be revisited at appropriate times as the investigation moves forward and alternative lines of enquiry are considered.


For this reason, there is a need for a systematic approach to core policing functions to deal with the complexity. And it is vital to have a thorough, well documented investigation strategy.
 
 

Graham Hill
 
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Dr Hill is a visiting research fellow at the school of law at the University of Leeds. He is a former senior police officer with extensive experience in major and specialist crime investigation. He is the founder and first head of Behaviour Analysis at the UK Child Exploitation Online Protection centre (CEOP).
Dr Hill's knowledge and expertise concerning the perpetrators of child sexual abuse has been developed over the course of his policing career and the specialist roles he has held together with his academic research.
His research interests include the behaviour of male and female child sexual abusers, interviewing the perpetrators of sexual crime and non-familial child abduction/murder. He is an advocate of evidence based policing and his work focuses on how research can inform and enhance child protection investigative practice.
Experience
            2011–2020 
Criminologist, Independent 
            2007–2011 
Head of Behaviour Analysis, Child Exploitation Online Protection centre (CEOP)
            1985–2007 
Police Officer, Surrey Police 
Education
            2016  
Leeds University, Visiting Research Fellow 
            2015  
Durham University, PhD - Applied Social Science/Criminology 
            2010  
Lancashire University, Post Graduate Certificate in Forensic Behavioural Psychology 
Professional Memberships

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For this reason, there is a need for a systematic approach to core policing functions to deal with the complexity. And it is vital to have a thorough, well documented investigation strategy.

Mmmm .... and that's why Operation Grange was established nine years ago - allegedly, am I right?

So, where are they now, a step back from where they started - chasing a German prisoner who clearly had no involvement with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

This is disgusting. I hope it's not costing the British taxpayer any more than already squandered - or the Portuguese public for that matter.

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I think I can see where this is going ....

Verdi wrote:

For this reason, there is a need for a systematic approach to core policing functions to deal with the complexity. And it is vital to have a thorough, well documented investigation strategy.

Mmmm ....  and that's why Operation Grange was established nine years ago - allegedly, am I right?

So, where are they now, a step back from where they started - chasing a German prisoner who clearly had no involvement with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

This is disgusting.  I hope it's not costing the British taxpayer any more than already squandered - or the Portuguese public for that matter.

If I was a serial burglar, I don’t think I’d panic at the sight of a three year old in bed! I’d ignore the child, grab what I could and leave.  There’s hardly going to be a photofit description coming is there?  Sorry if this in the wrong place.  It’s just been bugging me.

Thank you Jill.

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Graham Hill
 
Visiting Research Fellow, School of Law, University of Leeds

Profile

Dr Hill is a visiting research fellow at the school of law at the University of Leeds. He is a former senior police officer with extensive experience in major and specialist crime investigation. He is the founder and first head of Behaviour Analysis at the UK Child Exploitation Online Protection centre (CEOP).

His research interests include the behaviour of male and female child sexual abusers, interviewing the perpetrators of sexual crime and non-familial child abduction/murder. He is an advocate of evidence based policing and his work focuses on how research can inform and enhance child protection investigative practice.

Experience
            2011–2020 
Criminologist, Independent 
            2007–2011 
Head of Behaviour Analysis, Child Exploitation Online Protection centre (CEOP)
            1985–2007 
Police Officer, Surrey Police 

See my article: 'JOINED AT THE HIP'...

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(also on CMOMM)

...which features the VERY close nexus between Jim Gamble, the McCanns, Mark Williams-Thomas, Dr Graham Hill and also a chap named Sullivan (a psychologist IIRC).

Also note Graham Hills' career above - and how closely it is tied to both Jim Gamble AND Mark Williams-Thomas (Surrey Police...becomes 'criminologist') - see also the Mark Williams-Thomas thread here on CMOMM

Looks like this might just be the source..


Germany

Cold cases: Madeleine McCann breakthrough puts spotlight on German real crime show

"Aktenzeichen XY" has been airing on German TV for more than half a century, reconstructing and seeking to help solve some of the toughest crimes. Now it hopes to have helped crack the Madeleine McCann mystery.

Aktenzeichen XY ... ungelöst (Case number XY ... unsolved) airs once a month in Germany, on Wednesday evenings, and has been on air uninterrupted since 1967. The show on public broadcaster ZDF is credited as the inspiration for shows like "Crimewatch" in the UK or "America's Most Wanted" or "Unsolved Mysteries" in the US.

The focus is on a lengthy and detailed reconstruction of some of the toughest crimes, made in collaboration with law enforcement, incorporating appeals for further relevant information from the public.

Wednesday's edition of the 90-minute program was broadcast at the same time as German investigative police broke the news that they had identified a murder suspect in the long-running McCann case, currently identified only as a 43-year-old German with a prior sex crimes record facing a separate prison sentence.

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Kate and Gerry McCann appeared with host Rudi Cerne, still in the chair today, in 2013

McCann's case, as well as her parents Kate and Gerry McCann, had already appeared on the show in October of 2013 — with that episode drawing almost a quarter of the total German TV audience that night.

Police even acknowledged that the current suspect was first identified as a result of people calling in after that show. However, there was not enough evidence to pursue him in earnest at the time, with more information coming to light by 2017.

Read more: Madeleine McCann case: the key events since her 2007 disappearance

Almost 5,000 cases featured, around 40% solved

According to data published by ZDF at the end of 2019, the show had tackled 4,752 different cases across 549 episodes — with 1,905 of them having since been solved. ZDF called this success rate in the region of 40% "a proud figure because often it's the 'hopeless' cases which wind up on XY — cases, in which police have already exhausted all the traditional methods of investigation and can only really build on the help provided by the television audience."

Almost one in three cases the show tackles are murder or homicide. German investigators are currently working on the assumption that Madeleine McCann — still formally a missing person — could prove another. Robberies are the next most common category investigated, followed by fraud-based crimes, attempted homicides, sexual crimes, and missing persons cases. In every category, the show claims a success rate north of 30%.

International connections are also by no means uncommon. For decades, via a broadcast partnership, the show was regularly aired on Austrian and Swiss public television for their German-speaking audiences, although these agreements ceased in 2003.

Foreign police often turned to the show for help, particularly in cases with a suspected or potential German angle — as with the McCann's case given Germans' propensity to vacation in and move to the Algarve area of Portugal. Britain had turned to the show in the hope of finding information on seven occasions, including McCann, with a total of 16 other countries bringing unsolved mysteries to the show.

To provide a further flavor, here's a brief selection of some of the show's more renowned past cases.

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MADELEINE MCCANN was murdered soon after she was kidnapped, the German prosecutor leading the investigation believes.

Prime suspect Christian B is said to have boasted about torture and destroying evidence in an online conversation with another paedophile.

He made threats about wanting to “catch something little and use it for days”.

German cops investigating the disappearance of Inga Gehricke, aged five, – who Christian B has also been linked to – discovered the conversation.

During the chat, when Christian B was asked about being caught, he allegedly said: “Meh, if the evidence is destroyed . . .”

He then added: “Then I’ll record maaaany videos/clips. I’ll document in detail how she’s being tortured.”

This comes after a British ex-girlfriend of Christian B claimed the night before the toddler vanished he told her: “I have a horrible job to do in Praia da Luz tomorrow.”

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I agree with you Verdi though I have a different take on it.

I believe that CB was somehow involved in disposing of the cadaver and, if you take that view, everything makes more sense.

For a start, in the last sentence quoted above, no pedophile planning to snatch a child the next day is going to refer to it as an unpleasant task. But being required to dispose of her cadaver...that's a different matter. And this quote isnt anchored to 2nd May or even to the MW Complex. He could have said this at any time, including in June, and be referring to anywhere in PdL, incl a villa.

Secondly, CB was a drug dealer and the MW complex would have been a great source of income. Those coke heads cant bring their stuff with them and he lives just down the road. Would anyone here care to comment on drug and alcohol problems amongst doctors? I'm told it's the stress.

The dealer's MO is to have someone on site at the resort taking orders (relayed by phone) and for the dealer to turn up (looking shifty) to make the deals. This explains sightings and calls from the complex to his phone. Murat is just the type of character to put residents in touch with the likes of CB. Someone who speaks English, gets chatting to people and offers them whatever they need. Every holiday complex has a Murat.

Note CB is a drug dealer. Every dealer needs a supplier and just along the coast lived a drug trafficker, arms runner and fellow convicted rapist named Marquez. This man was a suspect in 2008 and was interviewed for 6 hours in 2014 when the Met got involved. He's also a pig farmer which is coincidentally connected to CBs comment about pigs eating humans.

Sorry for the lack of references- I posted them on the Disposal Of The Body thread under the Latest News section.

Finally, I suggest that CB could not possibly be the target for a murder charge as the police have already prejudiced the chance of a fair trial.

This isn't about murder, it's about concealment and disposal of a cadaver and it's completely aligned with what most people on this forum believe, if they're open to the possibility that T2 needed help to dispose of the body.

The sun are struggling - if i heard someone say a horrible job I would think they were being paid to do it - but that then means the real mr big is someone else. And by making it think it was organized some of their readers will suspect Kate and Gerry again.

The printed Sun ties it to the Second of May btw through.

I really don't know what to believe in all of this because at the end of the day all we have is theories - so much of the information we develop our theories from could be wrong (timelines etc).

The idea that CB was a disposal man is compelling, but then...there's no real way to tie this in with the cadaver odour in the flat AND the car. And WHY would they use CB in the first place?

The more people who know a secret, the more chances there is of a leak developing. With so many people in their party, some of whom HAD to have been aware of what went on if it wasn't abduction, I think it's very unlikely they'd haul in someone else, least of all a drug dealer.

nomendelta wrote:I really don't know what to believe in all of this because at the end of the day all we have is theories - so much of the information we develop our theories from could be wrong (timelines etc).

The idea that CB was a disposal man is compelling, but then...there's no real way to tie this in with the cadaver odour in the flat AND the car. And WHY would they use CB in the first place?

The more people who know a secret, the more chances there is of a leak developing. With so many people in their party, some of whom HAD to have been aware of what went on if it wasn't abduction, I think it's very unlikely they'd haul in someone else, least of all a drug dealer.

But then so many people are probably involved anyway.

Now why would lawyers resign from a case?  
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Sorry but this is all such utter nonsense.

The German prisoner was in no way involved with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann - before during or after.

This latest crap hinges on the Netflix production.  The Netflix production that the McCanns declined to be involved with - yet the Netflix production is nothing but a reiteration of team MCanns narrative.  Their storyline.

Apart from me, why can't anyone see this?

Verdi, a couple of reasons why lots of people can't see what you see ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) IMHO

(a) they have not read the police files or Amaral's book or the statement analyses of Hyatt and McLish or watched Hall's series or read all of the postings to date in this forum or at least the threads of certain contributors or the books written by contributors (I could list them but would be afraid I left out a person of insight and significance) or... or... ; and (b) they don't have the insights into the way the minds of plotters and liars operate .. which might indicate that they are nice people who don't pick up on some of the McCann team's tactics, which is not to say that they are not genuine in their search for the truth.

I have spent thousands of hours obsessing over Madeleine's non-abduction since the day it was first reported and, in the September after the May non-abduction, innocently sprouting my theory to Colin Sutton during after-work drinks in a hotel in Addis Ababa. 

The questions that continue to haunt me are:

1. Why did the UK government, SY, The Met, Lec. police, various other police, certain laboratories, MI5 etc. get involved and why did some of them have so much success in embedding the abduction scenario in people's minds? 

2. How can the Tapas 7 remain loyal to each other and the McCanns, given the secret that they share? (There is only one couple to my knowledge who have separated since the event.)

3. How come people across the globe but particularly in the UK and Australia turn away from the scientific method, not just in the MM case but also in the Saint Greta of Climate Change scam, and Covid-19 (where nobodies in politics and nobodies in medicine argue with Nobel Prize winners in immunology and epidemiology)? 

4.Why are so many journalists and so many commentators so stupid?

I hope I live long enough to have my Question 1 answered.

Thanks to all on this forum who turn their minds to this mystery, a mystery about the non-abduction of an English child in Portugal and a mystery about human nature, power and deviant behaviour.

Well said Milo

I would add that whilst the vast majority of us don't believe in the abduction hoax, or believe the false stories that the MSM spew out with monotonous regularity, we still observe this cover-up that is being played out before our very eyes. We know it's not real, they know we know it's not real, yet still they do it. Because they can.

In between these times the forum goes very quiet whilst people drift away, but when people think the end is coming, with whatever conclusion the government allow the Police to reach, then the forum gets very busy again with new members or returning old members - we all want to know how this case will be concluded. Will our faith be restored in the justice system, or will the conclusion simply reinforce our long-held beliefs that three-year-old Maddie McCann has been used as a pawn in a political cover-up?

We need to know that children matter. We need to know that the death of a child won't ultimately be brushed under the carpet. We need to know that the real perpetrators will be brought to justice and the crime not pinned on an innocent person for convenience.

If this cover-up of the death of a small child is being played out in public before our eyes, what the hell goes on behind closed doors?

Children are the most innocent people on the planet and they deserve to be treated as such.
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Lord Bernard Hogan-Howe QPM, Met Police Commissioner: "There will be a point at which we and the Government will want to make a decision about what the likely outcome is."




Gonçalo Amaral: "Nonetheless, it is necessary to recall that a criminal investigation cannot have as a concern the politically correct, nor to have its purpose limited by personal interests, institutional or others, nor to be targeted by intolerable pressures and coercive measures, what is at stake is to ascertain the truth and the fate of the child so those responsible for the mysterious disappearance are brought before Justice."





We will be here until we know which of these options Maddie is to receive.

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Natasha on form as usual

Careful Sun.
 
Don’t want to open too many doors or some free DNA testing may end up in America.
 
EVIDENCE HOPE 
Scrap of material held in Portuguese lab could prove link between Madeleine McCann and prime suspect Christian B

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A TINY SCRAP of blue material held in the vaults of a Portuguese forensic lab could provide the vital link between German suspect Christian B and Madeleine McCann.

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Lockdown or not, the Mirror have managed to take ‘his ex.’ on a photoshoot along the beach at Lagos and at the villa just outside PdL
 
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‘The woman, who is still too scared of Brueckner to reveal her identity, today reveals her account of her relationship with the Madeleine suspect.’
 
I think he might just possibly know who she is, and just to make sure she agrees to a photoshoot.
 
Oh, and the Mirror slip in the bit about ‘flatman’ hiding behind the door in the kids bedroom when GM did his ‘check’. Just as well the Sun hang the door on the other side in their schematic. Don't want reality to get in the way of a Mirror 'exclusive'.

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And Tracey still on holiday? Nothing from her for five days now, missing all these journalistic fictional opportunities 

Allegedly, he has been moved to a cell of his own.

Why?

Afraid that he will speak to his cell mates?

Has he been promised an early release and a new identity in exchange for being a patsy?