Netflix probes Madeleine McCann disappearance in new documentary

HKP wrote:Something to get us back into the correct mindset from Gemma O'Doherty
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Apologies if posted elswhere

In the beginning of this GO'D talks of a cover up in MMC's MURDER. Not manslaughter.
What does she know?
Apologies if this has already been discussed elsewhere but have been abroad for a while.

Speaking for the first time about his involvement he said he was convinced the couple weren't involved "within 12 seconds."

Are they lodge "Brothers" ? 
 Most people with life experience these days understand how good a psychopath IS at manipulating others and pulling the wool over their eyes. I certainly would not judge someone in 12 seconds . . . particularly if I was going to invest a million quid in them or something (not that I have it!).
Gut instinct is good, always listen to it . . . But hard truths are the decider, in the end.

Madeleine McCann's parents are 'furious' after retired detective repeats claim in new Netflix series that they put toddler's life at risk by publicising her distinctive eye mark

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Yeah, like this whole Netflix debacle wasn't about entrapment.

What's the betting Amaral will receive another legal letter. Didn't they say their lawyers would be watching?

FAMILIAR CASE
What happened to Joana Cipriano in Portugal and why has it been compared to the Madeleine McCann case?

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Another attack on Dr Amaral.

Tony Bennett wrote:I don't know how many members & guests remember this, but Sandra Felgueiras turned against Amaral & the PJ's conclusions many many years back.

I don't remember that Tony. Any chance you can give a clue where I might find something on the subject?.

Thanks

Verity wrote:Another attack on Dr Amaral.

It was evident from the trailer alone that the Netflix thing was heading towards a Gonçalo Amaral assassination.

Vanity Fair - Feb 2008 wrote:Although initially reluctant, the McCanns finally informed the media of Madeleine’s unique right eye—a risky revelation. Whoever had taken the child now held a universally recognizable little girl.
Gerry understood that. But, he says, the iris “is Madeleine’s only true distinctive feature. Certainly we thought it was possible that this could potentially hurt her or”—he grimaces—“her abductor might do something to her eye.… But in terms of marketing, it was a good ploy.”

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They can sue away.

Sue Vanity Fair.

Verdi wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:I don't know how many members & guests remember this, but Sandra Felgueiras turned against Amaral & the PJ's conclusions many many years back.

I don't remember that Tony.  Any chance you can give a clue where I might find something on the subject?.

Thanks

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I remember it well. She was basically supporting the abduction as if it was fact. IIRC she made some comment about the PJ having jumped to conclusions, or similar. It was in an interview, or a newspaper article, maybe on a video. I've spent some time looking for it but can't turn it up for the moment.

However. she did NOT at the time say anything about being given false information by the PJ or Amaral nor did she say anything about being given only part of a forensic report etc. etc.

To suddenly bring this up 12 years later is IMO more than a tad suspicious and tends to confirm my view (due respect to you [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and welcome back) that she was 'influenced' to change tack. And of course Goncalo Amaral vehemently denies the accusation.

This Netflix production was a thoroughly dishonest piece of work - just like the BBC Crimewatch Show in 2013.

Tony wrote:This Netflix production was a thoroughly dishonest piece of work - just like the BBC Crimewatch Show in 2013.

Amen !!!

I haven't found anything yet but will continue looking.  I'm beginning to think you can't trust one single person. How sad.

Jim Gamble currently discussing the doc with Nicky Campbell on Breakfast, Radio 5 Live - both supportive of parents, liked the programmes.  JG feels it makes a positive contribution to understanding the case, meticulously made, M is still alive, parents made a terrible mistake, initially suspected Gerry, stop spewing bile online and think of the twins etc.

Ladyinred wrote:Jim Gamble currently discussing the doc with Nicky Campbell on Breakfast, Radio 5 Live - both supportive of parents, liked the programmes.  JG feels it makes a positive contribution to understanding the case, meticulously made, M is still alive, parents made a terrible mistake, initially suspected Gerry, stop spewing bile online and think of the twins etc.

All these people who say Maddie is alive please show evidence to support this.  As for thinking of the twins, shouldn't they also think of the twins before they speak.    The twins have been told an abductor took her.   They are old enough now to understand what would and could still be happening to Maddie if indeed she is alive. 

Why such an attack on Rocky now?    Is something brewing.

Why doesn't anyone ever mention the SCR?

Sue Rocky, they wont get anywhere.    As bluebag has pointed out, it was printed in Vanity Fair and those words would be used as evidence in support of Rocky should they sue I believe.

Were the participants  paid by the production company?

Is it possible one of the interviewers could ask JG what he suspected Gerry of initially?

A reminder of an article written by Natasha Donn after Dr Amaral's libel win - she posted this comment on my CMOMM Facebook group just now:
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Amaral’s libel win opens Pandora’s Box on national television

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A new ‘mood’ has emerged following the successful appeal by former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral against €500,000 libel damages awarded to the parents of missing Madeleine McCann.

For the first time “serious figures” formerly connected to the government and PJ are questioning the political pressures that effectively shut-down the original Portuguese investigation – allowing nothing to move forwards other than the abduction theory.

Without naming names or pointing fingers, it is clear that Amaral’s victorious return from the cold of litigation has paved the way for less-than-habitually-guarded discussion.

While here CMTV screened a four-way interview late on Saturday night which threw up the issue of ‘plausible leads’ nipped in the bud in the early days – as they simply did not fit with the abduction profile – in Edinburgh former ambassador and human rights activist Craig Murray has weighed onto the scene, outlining the sort of pressure with which Portugal had to contend.

“I am going to come straight out with this”, he wrote in a post following news of Amaral’s appeal court win. “British diplomatic staff were under direct instruction to support the McCanns far beyond the usual and to put pressure on the Portuguese authorities over the case.

“I have direct information that more than one of those diplomatic staff found the McCanns less than convincing and their stories inconsistent. Embassy staff were perturbed to be ordered that British authorities were to be present at every contact between the McCanns and Portuguese police.

“This again is absolutely not the norm. On a daily basis more British citizens have contact with foreign authorities than the total staff of the FCO (Foreign and Commonwealth Office). It would be simply impossible to give that level of support to everybody”.

John Buck, Murray’s direct boss in the FCO when he was head of Cyprus Section, was the British ambassador in Portugal when three-year-old Madeleine went missing in May, 2007.

“He and his staff were concerned by contradictions in the McCann’s story”, Murray continues. “The Embassy warned, in writing, that being perceived as too close to the McCanns might not prove wise. They demanded the instruction from London be reconfirmed. It was.”

Murray’s post does not dwell on the reasons for this “far beyond usual” support, but he concedes “that it might have put some psychological pressure on the Portuguese investigators and prosecuting officers in their determinations”.

Talking on CMTV in the early hours of Sunday morning, former PJ director Manuel Rodrigues left little doubt that it had.

In a one-hour “special” which went out between 11.30 and 12.40, Rodrigues and former Minister for Internal Administration Rui Pereira both lamented British interference which, Rodrigues concedes, may ensure that “blame” in this apparently unsolvable nine-year-old mystery “dies a spinster”.

Why a faithful reconstruction of the night of Madeleine’s disappearance was never achieved he still does not know, he explained.

“Someone stopped it. Don’t ask me to name names. We have already talked about all the assistance the (McCann) couple received from people directly connected with the British government. We have talked about the British government and the British police. I can’t interpret it any other way”.

Rodrigues referred to the “pure ingenuousness” of Portuguese authorities, allowing forensic tests on evidence recovered to be allowed to take place in a British laboratory so that there was no whiff of uncertainty.

In the first report, 15 alleles out of 19 that made up Madeleine’s DNA appeared, he said.

Then, in a second report, all the alleles had “disappeared completely”.

Amaral too had his moment to outline some the ‘plausible hypotheses’ that emerged in the early days as his team shifted its focus from the likelihood of an abduction.

A late-night sighting of three figures entering Luz church with a large bag coincided with the existence of a coffin inside the church, he said, into which Madeleine’s body could have been placed.

The coffin – holding the remains of an elderly British resident – was taken the following day for cremation in the Alentejo.

Amaral stressed nonetheless that the book ‘Maddie: The Truth of the Lie’ that the McCanns have sought to ban is not ‘his truth’ – nor indeed factual truth – but the opinion of the PJ in September of 2007 when it became clear their efforts were about to be archived.

Since that time – and even when Scotland Yard became involved in 2011 and vowed to ‘peel back the layers’ of the mystery as if peeling an onion – none of those original lines of investigation have ever been revisited, resulting in the situation in which millions of pounds have been spent getting nowhere, or as Amaral put it: “going down a one-way street”.

That the four-way interview went out at such a late hour suggests CMTV is still being careful about how it presents this case, but Amaral’s ‘victory’ for freedom of expression would appear to have lifted the lid on a Pandora’s Box shut tight from mainstream media for almost nine years.

In UK, the Sun leaked a lurid colour page promising an exposé on “Maddie Cop’s Sick Secret” on Sunday morning.

It turned out to be nothing more than the rehash of an ‘Amaral-bashing’ story by the Express a year before in which British people donating to his legal expenses were tarnished as ‘online trolls’.

But it served to highlight that ‘pressure’ in Britain to stick to the abduction theory and demonise everything else could still be at work.

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Madeleine McCann 'could have been snatched by sex beast wearing surgical mask'

Jerry Lawton

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A few questions about this sickening article.

Doesn't the media keep referring to Gerry McCann as a heart surgeon?

Don't heart surgeons wear surgical masks?

Wasn't there a conversation between Gerry and David Payne re 'Maddie would do this' as witnessed by the Gaspars which would make both men 'sex beasts'?

Just saying...

It is a sickening article.  This masked man allegedly carried out 28 attacks but it doesn't say he ever snatched anyone.    Why would he have SNATCHED Maddie?

So, the "binman" with the red shirt is back?
But this time with a surgical mask?
Madness.
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Well Mr and Mrs McCann you've played a blinder haven't you .

You introduced us to the Netflix documentary through your pet MSM making sure to inform us you were not involved despite being asked and would not be commenting but your lawyers would be watching !

That immediately created interest , what would it tell us , is there anything new is this about to be an expose ? The articles continued in MSM , the documentary was on , it was off , it was only one not eight , Amaral had spoken to them ! Then so had Gamble , Summers and Swan , Kennedy , Murat etc . So covering both sides ? 

After much posturing it aired on Friday , now  haven't watched it myself thank goodness but reading all the comments and reviews tells  enough . 
I don't believe for one minute you and your team had nothing to do with it it was a propaganda exercise from start to finish 
Maddy was taken by traffickers , she could still be alive , Portugal is full of paedophiles and traffickers , the Police are definitely bungling sardine munchers who were only out to protect tourism in their country so wanted the case closed quickly so picked on the poor devastated Innocent parents !

Goncalo Amaral is a money grabbing liar , beat up an innocent mother , accused Kate and Gerry of killing their daughter , wrote his book to make money out of a missing child ! 

The dogs and the Forensic results are meaningless and irrelevant , the PJ lied about them anyway .

In short , the McCanns are totally innocent and not suspects and Madeleine is still alive !

End of story , if you don't believe all this you are a troll ! 

Then the blessed MSM continue to pump out daily reports each more and more ridiculous . The folk who were sitting on the fence , or only followed MSM fell for it hook line and sinker .

You must be laughing your heads off and rubbing your hands together , surely this will fill the coffers of the Fund , and you can get Carter Ruck on the job again suing , the thing you do best ! 
Operation Grange will continue to " search " Tracey and friends will continue to promote the lies ! 

Be careful though Mr and Mrs McCann , forums like CMOMM , Facebook pages are gaining members and readers hourly , finding the PJ Files , The Truth of the Lie , Richard D Hall films Peter Macs book , Mark Saunokonoko podcasts , they are asking more and more questions to try and make sense of it . 
It ain't over till the fat lady sings my dears , and believe me there's some singing going on. 
Don't rest easy , don't open the champagne just yet , we are fighting for Madeleine something you failed to do .

Just to add , this is imho of course X

I wondered why the media were heavily over promoting the "McCanns had nothing to do with this line", now I think I know.

The documentary is nothing more than an Amaral bashing exercise, and of course, the McCanns don't want Amaral to know that they played a part in that.  They could have pulled the plug on this if they wanted to, but obviously its in their interests to let it go ahead.   

I am not buying this line, the McCanns must have given their permission for a documentary about their missing child.    

I just wonder how much they may have profited from it this time.

How much it's going to cost Dr Amaral more like.

Goodness knows why he participated.

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But did he?

As I understand it, all he said was that the McCanns weren't helping by promoting the coloboma.

Did he say anything libellous?

Have any of your ever heard the term conformation bias? If not it basically means you don't watch/listen/read something with an open mind, instead you look/listen for what backs up your beliefs. This document was extremely unbiased it covered both sides equally, but yet from what I've read on this thread you all went into is with an open mind, you all said I bet it wont have GA in it, it did, he got to tell his side along with everyone else that was actually involved, not conspiricy theorist. This was an excellent documentary that has changed alot of people's minds especially considering GA's theory of what the McCanns did is actually so ridiculous similar to the joana cipriano case, that he was convicted of falsifying evidence for yet he was still allowed to continue being the lead investigator in maddies case, any other non corrupt country he who have been stood down pending the investigation and would have been fired immediately when convicted, plus the whole case would have been reopened and convictions on the mother and uncle over turned pending said ingestion. How can two cases 3 years apart, investigated by the same man have the exact same outcome ( they put the body in a fridge/freezer then did something with it) with absolutely no evidence in either case. The only evidence in the mccanns case (the dogs) which I believe now was planted by GA to hopefully get them a conviction and him off the hook for his impending charges. Or are you going to tell me it's just a massive coincidence that 2 girls went missing (presumed kidnapped) 3 years apart had the same lead investigator who has exactly the same theory on both cases and is charged with falsifying documents in one but was completely honest and did everything by the book in the other. Just imagine for a second you are wrong and maddie is found dead or alive and they find evidence it was a kidnapping are you going to then be like sandra F and issue an apology to the McCanns for absolutely running their name through mud? I don't know where you are all from but here in Australia there was a case where a 13 year old boy got kidnapped ( Daniel morcombe ) his parents acted exactly like the McCanns are, as in they have never stopped getting the message bought up in the media, never letting people forget the face and name of there child, it took 13 years and finally finally we got closure after a colonial inquest, which surprise surprise the McCanns are begging for, why would they want that if they are guilty?

Just started watching this morning, so not yet in a position to comment either way.
However, have heard from a number of people who had previously believed K&G that they now think otherwise.
One question so far - Neil Berry early on shows a photograph of the back of MBM, who is playing with his daughter and other children. Do we know when this was taken and has it been validated ? (Apologies if already dealt with up-thread).

Kkcmp88 wrote:Have any of your ever heard the term conformation bias? 

Yes, as well as cognitive dissonance. Try talking to someone who suffers both these problems!!


This document was extremely unbiased it covered both sides equally

Not sure about that, there seems to many questions still unanswered.

I agree it is worrying when people say they are not going to watch it, then go on to say its all propaganda - which it may be but you cannot make a defined decision based on something you've not judged for yourself. 

Fact is, there are many members in this forum that are simply interested individuals - then we have our experts! 

The case I was involved in a few years back, (no, I wasn't an armchair detective, I worked with the police, supplied them with evidence and people went to jail) I had to trawl through hours and hours of utter garbage YouTube videos, blogs and websites.

You have to watch it if you're going to have any legitimate opinion about it.....don't you? 

I'll leave it to our experts to dissect the rest of Kkcmp88's post.

I watched it with my wife (who isn't quite as obsessed with the case I am) over the weekend. 

My main observation is how craftily it was conceived. For the first few episodes I wasn't sure which side it was going to favour - we had the Hubbards and the singularly unconvincing Summers and Swan on one side but on the other we had Amaral and others talking quite freely and critically. However, as we got past episode 4 it became increasingly obvious that it was going with the abduction hypothesis. 

I lived in rural Spain for 10 years. I crossed over the border to little villages in Portugal that were very similar to the towns around me in Spain. Kids play freely in the streets and squares. If a pedo gang wanted kids they could, in one evening, zoom around in a van and grab half a dozen kids from these villages. It'd be far easier than what is proposed happened to Maddie. It is, to my mind, a ridiculous hypothesis even pushing aside the dog findings.

It might be worth considering what WASN'T mentioned in this documentary. Why wasn't the Huelva trip mentioned at all? We have Sandra saying how these parents were under intense scrutiny so when did they hide the body, yet not a single mention (that I recall) about the Huelva trip. Those things glossed over might be exactly what the McCanns don't want probing.

Carrry On Doctor wrote:Just started watching this morning, so not yet in a position to comment either way.
However, have heard from a number of people who had previously believed K&G that they now think otherwise.
One question so far - Neil Berry early on shows a photograph of the back of MBM, who is playing with his daughter and other children. Do we know when this was taken and has it been validated ? (Apologies if already dealt with up-thread).

Berry claims this photo was taken after they had been sailing.
But take a look at SUNDAY what they were doing between 10:00-11:00.
"Parachute grass time"
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I wouldn't say focusing two episodes on Brian Kennedy and his son playing private detective was "unbiased". I had hoped that what the makers were after was giving everyone involved enough rope that they'd hang themselves - and in some ways I think the sheer egotism of the Kennedy duo comes through but I don't think the casual viewer would see that.

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"The only evidence in the mccanns case (the dogs) which I believe now was planted by GA to hopefully get them a conviction and him off the hook for his impending charges."

Oh dear! So you've read through all the PJ files then, and it's led you to the conclusion that DNA? was "planted by GA to hopefully get them a conviction...."?