Unorthodox Theorizing

by Guest 24.05.18 13:54

A place for member's to present and discuss alternative thinking.

by JP67 24.05.18 14:06

I appear to have overstepped the mark, and am truly sorry to have upset Aquila. I’ll try not to do it again.

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Back on topic please people.

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by Liz Eagles 24.05.18 17:18

You haven't upset aquila at all.

by Guest 24.05.18 19:28

Theories should be based on evidence.

Expect people to scrutinize theories and challenge them.

This is not the David Icke forum.

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by JP67 24.05.18 20:55

No, you’re right, David Icke is also waving a flag shouting look at Israel. It is an unorthodox idea but I’ve purported it now. Keep an eye out for Fatima/Mary though, she might reappear. And I have a great deal of respect for people who use religion as a force for good in the world. I don’t detect much good at the moment and it isn’t helping lay Madeleine’s little soul to rest.

by **Ladyinred** 24.05.18 21:05

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by JP67 24.05.18 21:50

Honestly, I think she either died, was mortally injured, or was deliberately killed 29th or 30th April2007. Who by or why is as much as a mystery to me as everyone else who’s been chasing their own tail for as long as they smelled a rat.
In case you all think I’m a troll, I’ve told my children if I’m killed in a car crash, it’s not an accident. The body count keeps going up.
Just one last thing before you get bored, why would 2 devout Catholics pray like Arabs in an ostentatious manner and visit the Pope and a shrine popular with both Muslim and Christian pilgrims? There’s more to all this than I think we can even imagine.

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by JP67 27.05.18 16:56

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If you think this is appropriate, I would be grateful if you could put it in the new topics forum under the heading Fatima. If not, I’m obviously completely way off the mark and apologise for wasting all your time.

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You provide no indication of the content of the link, many people including myself, do not open unfamiliar links.

As you request the initiation of a topic under the heading Fatima, it's best left here where it belongs.

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by JP67 28.05.18 9:51

Have just revisited this, the name Ivor Messiah has long troubled me. Did anyone else notice the date this incident is supposed to have happened? 29th April no less. Significant date in the Satanic calendar and, as we think we know, the last day Maddie was seen.

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by willowthewisp 28.05.18 10:44

JP67 wrote:Have just revisited this, the name Ivor Messiah has long troubled me. Did anyone else notice the date this incident is supposed to have happened? 29th April no less. Significant date in the Satanic calendar and, as we think we know, the last day Maddie was seen.

Hi JP67,I understand what is being implicated to Mr Messiah on his conduct in court and the missing Madeleine McCann interview,Doctor Payne,as for"Satanic influences" they are not facts to be able to be proved right or wrong,which is what evidence needed in a Court Trail!

What proof do you have of "Satanic Calendar" and missing Madeleine McCann?

by JP67 28.05.18 11:38

No proof of Madeleine being seen after 29th April, surely? Other members have speculated about Satanic influences and there’s a Spring sacrifice thread, too. I’m going to shut up now, there’s clearly only one line of enquiry allowed to be followed here.

by willowthewisp 28.05.18 11:58

JP67 wrote:No proof of Madeleine being seen after 29th April, surely? Other members have speculated about Satanic influences and there’s a Spring sacrifice thread, too. I’m going to shut up now, there’s clearly only one line of enquiry allowed to be followed here.

Hi JP67,there is no one single line to follow in regard to the missing Girl Madeleine McCann,anyone can have a "thesis" ask Doctor Gerry,now if you want to know about silencing people,Kate,Gerry,Carter Ruck and One Clarence Mitchell will be able to gladly assist you about how to deceive,manipulate,confusion is good right,eh Gerry!

Take a long look at who was involved in "Silencing" Mrs Brenda Leyland,Martin Brunt,big Jim Gamble,Gerry McCann family dossier handed to our very friendly Sir Bernard Hogan Howe,Metropolitan Police Commissioner!

Care to comment on these "Loyal stalwarts" involvement in Madeleine's case over the past Eleven years?

Its about Justice for a Three year old child who"Allegedly disappeared" from her holiday Home apartment,where 7/9 Special friends have had a "Pact Of Silence! ask Doctor Payne,he should be able to confirm this?

by JP67 28.05.18 14:34

I merely noted the date, and could find no other message that anyone else had spotted it. The trail has gone cold on the other people you mention, and they are obviously too well protected to get near, or dead. Perhaps the man known as Ivor Messiah is actually someone else with an alias, his line of “questioning” during the rogatory interviews demonstrated no curiosity. Seeing the behaviour of some of the Police and Judiciary over Tommy Robinson this weekend, it wouldn’t surprise me if Ivor Messiah was connected to Team Mccann other than as interviewer. Back to April 29th, does anyone else see any significance in seeing someone trying to disrupt a murder trial with gestures similar to those witnessed by the Gaspar doctors in 2005? Could it have been a different kind of sacrifice, not being a Satanist myself, I’m not sure how many different kinds there are, but there must more than child murder. Maybe it really is just me................

by willowthewisp 28.05.18 15:53

JP67 wrote:I merely noted the date, and could find no other message that anyone else had spotted it. The trail has gone cold on the other people you mention, and they are obviously too well protected to get near, or dead. Perhaps the man known as Ivor Messiah is actually someone else with an alias, his line of “questioning” during the rogatory interviews demonstrated no curiosity. Seeing the behaviour of some of the Police and Judiciary over Tommy Robinson this weekend, it wouldn’t surprise me if Ivor Messiah was connected to Team Mccann other than as interviewer. Back to April 29th, does anyone else see any significance in seeing someone trying to disrupt a murder trial with gestures similar to those witnessed by the Gaspar doctors in 2005? Could it have been a different kind of sacrifice, not being a Satanist myself, I’m not sure how many different kinds there are, but there must more than child murder. Maybe it really is just me................

HI JP67, If you have any "Evidence" of a child murder,please submit it to the relevant authorities and if it is in regard to the missing child case from May 2007 in Portugal, i suggest contacting the UK Police,as they will be able to help you in that regard.

Some people have a "thesis" in regard to the Gasper statements and the person's appertaining to the statements given to the UK Police,once again the UK, Leicestershire Police actions should be taken into account on their outcome of the statements!

As you have stated about satanic evidence,there is none so why keep mentioning something that isn't there?

Please do not try to mix Police Officers evidence from one case to a different case,Apples,Pears,Two different fruits!

by Liz Eagles 28.05.18 16:32

Why entertain wasting knowlegde and energy on someone who is blatantly on the forum to disrupt

by **Ladyinred** 28.05.18 16:44

JP67 wrote:I merely noted the date, and could find no other message that anyone else had spotted it. The trail has gone cold on the other people you mention, and they are obviously too well protected to get near, or dead. Perhaps the man known as Ivor Messiah is actually someone else with an alias, his line of “questioning” during the rogatory interviews demonstrated no curiosity. Seeing the behaviour of some of the Police and Judiciary over Tommy Robinson this weekend, it wouldn’t surprise me if Ivor Messiah was connected to Team Mccann other than as interviewer. Back to April 29th, does anyone else see any significance in seeing someone trying to disrupt a murder trial with gestures similar to those witnessed by the Gaspar doctors in 2005? Could it have been a different kind of sacrifice, not being a Satanist myself, I’m not sure how many different kinds there are, but there must more than child murder. Maybe it really is just me................

...yes, it's just you.

Why revive an irrelevant seven year old topic? No need to reply.

by willowthewisp 28.05.18 16:50

aquila wrote:Why entertain wasting knowlegde and energy on someone who is blatantly on the forum to disrupt

Hi aquila,
I was trying to be tactful,but alas,tactfulness must be running short on CMoMM or perhaps they really are fed up of all the Bull shit being fed to the public on Madeleine's disappearance,on this very Political case,where we all know form where it began,Mr New World Order himself,Gordon Brown,perhaps Jill could write to him,to see if he is available to you know,sort of "Fill in the blanks"!

Politicians do not risk there own arses as Clarence Mitchell,hes one who needs time to convey on his thought analysis after the collapse of Cambridge Analytica,A Bridge Too Far for even Clarence to save,he must be slipping in his old age?

Perhaps JP 67 knows about Mr Nessling being close to officianados close to the Pro's,who first conveyed the idea of Paedophiles of whom Scotland Yard ruled out of being part of Gang in Madeleine McCann's disappearance,aka Jim Gamble 90% profile assessment on Robert?

by Jean Moulin 17.07.18 21:01

Was SmithMan anything to do with it. If he was then who was he and where was he going?

This might help, it's a link to a video tracing SmithMan's escape, puts you in his shoes and in his mind!

by Guest 17.07.18 21:29

Jean Moulin wrote:Was SmithMan anything to do with it. If he was then who was he and where was he going?

This might help, it's a link to a video tracing SmithMan's escape, puts you in his shoes and in his mind!

What is the purpose of this - would you please explain Jean Moulin?

Without some commentary, from where I'm standing this is just utter nonsense - I'd go so far as to say exasperating nonsense.

CMoMM is a serious forum with a prime objective, this doesn't allow for disruption or pranksters. Your help to clarify your position would be much appreciated

Thank you and welcome to the forum.

by Jean Moulin 17.07.18 21:47

Hi Verdi
This is not nonsense. This is a reconstruction of the Smith Man journey he would have had to have taken if he indeed was involved. It is one of the most talked about scenarios in this case and I found this video very dramatic and intriguing and a helpful insight into the mind of SmithMan, to see it from the view of an abductor/or man in blind panic and what he was up against and what Madeleine may have seen if she was awake.

commentary would devalue it imo.

It is surely of huge interest to others interested in the case and I wanted to hear peoples thoughts on who, why and where SmithMan was going.

Thanks and glad to be here

by Guest 17.07.18 21:53

Well, for a start there is absolutely no evidence to suggest Madeleine McCann was abducted - that simple fact was established within hours of Kate McCann's alert at approximately 22:00H on the night of 3rd May 2007.

No abduction = no abductor.

Nor is there a scrap of evidence to suggest a dramatic getaway a la Steve McQueen!

Still nonsense to me. Perhaps other members might join the discussion to put across their point of view.

waiting

by Jean Moulin 17.07.18 22:07

kk so there was no abductor but I thought Gerry was supposed to be Smith Man or has that been debunked now

by Guest 18.07.18 0:03

Apologies, I didn't initially make myself clear, I meant commentary from you as to the reason for bringing the video to the forum.

Secondly, you mention the video being a helpful insight into the mind of a Smithman and what Madeleine may have seen. The Smithman has already been covered but on the secondary point, there is strong evidence by way of the dog alerts that Madeleine was no longer alive when she 'disappeared'.

The Smithman saga stems from the witness Martin Smith who contacted the police in September 2007, some days after (such was the urgency) seeing television footage of Gerry and Kate McCann descending the aircraft stairs on their return to the UK. According to Martin Smith he was 60-80% (no mean difference) sure it was Gerry McCann he and his family witnessed on the night of 3rd May - this deduced by the way Gerry McCann was carrying his child.

Believe that you'll believe anything but you need to follow the trail of evidence to understand how Martin Smith connects with the bigger picture.

In addition, there can be no doubt that Gerry McCann was around and about on the night of 3rd/4th May, so no opportunity for him to be 'mission impossiblying' around Praia da Luz on a set of wheels.

In the infamous words of Clarence Mitchell - ludicrous!

Forgive me for asking, the video you came here to promote was up-loaded on YouTube only a week ago - are you responsible for the video or are you representing whoever is responsible? As I said originally, I'm at a loss to understand your purpose as the video doesn't appear to have any relevance.

by Jean Moulin 18.07.18 8:04

I hear you Verdi and agreed it is a ludicrous video if you believe SmithMan was made up.

Sorry yeah I see your point i will try to explain.
Regarding the videos relevance, I watch all the videos and saw this one and the purpose was to put it up for debate as I didnt realise the 'alleged' Smithman sighting was so close and only 4 minutes away and not sure if others knew this cos I heard it was 8 or 10.

It makes a small enough window to be around on the night but still have the opportunity to be SmithMan and go to the beach or church etc before the GNR arrived.

And regarding the integrity of the sighting, although I do not know him (as nobody does who suggests he is a fraud) I have been offered no definitive reason to doubt Martin Smiths character. But If you 100% believe Martin Smith and his family wanted all this attention and made all this up to take the focus away from Robert Murat whom he knew 'by sight', then of course SmithMan is irrelevant in this case.

by Guest 18.07.18 12:05

The video is worthless in it's own right, irrespective of whatever sighting it's supposed to relate to. On the surface it would appear to be someone having a bit of fun - not what CMoMM is all about, there really is nothing to discuss.

As an aside, my thoughts on Martin Smith and/or his family are inconsequential as regards the video you uploaded. I Will however take the opportunity to point out, in the interest of clarity, the Smith family claim to have witnessed a stranger carrying a child and walking in the opposite direction at approximately 22:00H. Walking!

by scratchy 27.08.18 10:53

Hi all, I have a thing about psychics and that ilk.
To me their tricking folk and exploiting the dead. In this case Madeline McCann and it doesn't sit well with me. In my personal research I reckon there is a fair few Security Services type
within all this too.

With all that in mind this is a video of a woman named Amanda Ellis

who channels spirits.

In this case its ahem, "the Archangel Metatron" which sounds like a
transformer who's going through hormonal therapy..

Stay with me,

Briefly Meta-tron is seemingly from ancient Judaism, kabbalistic times. Hes a "divider and fixer of boundaries". also called the "Chancellor of Heaven". Yay, he sounds Lovely.

Here's a brief 10min vid:

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So Amanda is apparently calling up Metatron and Madeleine McCann..

The reason for Amanda making the video is that apparently,
Amanda's family owned an apartment somewhere on the same block as where Maddie was apparently taken. (I don't claim to know where this apartment is)

Shes states this at the beginning.

She was there in PDL in 2006, the year before the whole incident.

Obviously this has me interested

She took her toddlers there. Maybe she got child care..?

All in all Maddie turns up with a white horse and metatron & won't talk about her Parents. lol
This around 15mins in. She then pulls up tarot cards (off screen) and boldy pronounces at 22mins "Somebody must know something"..

Well there you have it then, probably best to collapse all further investigationsas someone knows something!
A lot of people are watching her youtube channel and shes not the only one who's pulling up maddie for profit and followers
the channel - Channelingerik - is another one.

Is it intentional? 100k views in 3 weeks.. Selling the Merch..!

She says at least twice in the video before her conclusion that it seems
there was an accident and cover up. Very priming .

Anyway,

She was just back at Portugal, in PDL 2 weeks ago for "lions gate" something, 8/8/18.

That i find interesting too. Shes living in Bournemouth.

And just for mental kicks an anagram of Amanda Ellis is - Mandala Lies! .. Very fitting.

Her Maddie Vid:

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Her website:

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.. If this isn't useful please just delete.

by Guest 27.08.18 12:20

I have moved your post here scratchy thumbsup

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by scratchy 27.08.18 12:46

Thank you that's no problem, I had no idea where to put it. m1264

It is unorthodox but to me she is interesting to look into in regards to her 'connection' to pdl.

As i find more, do i just post it here?

Thanks..

by Guest 27.08.18 12:51

scratchy wrote:As i find more, do i just post it here?

Yes, that'll do just fine yes

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by GGrasp 12.09.18 9:22

Hi. I don’t really have any interest in the McCann case, but I was in prai da luz on a surfing trip last year and found a ‘grave’ (I guess animal grave) on some scrubland near where I was staying on the edge of town. Im posting it together with the location (the area marked on the map, in front of AltaVista Adventure Lodge) so I can can clear it from my head. Apologies if this is irrelevant (I’m sure the area was thoroughly searched, and this was ten years later...)